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Zaintiraris
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Posted - 2005.09.25 16:17:00 -
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 Originally by: Famine Aligher'ri
Anyone had experiences with just fitting an "Assault Launcher II" on it and can comment on the DPS? I don't know if everyone is using "Heavy Missiles" but like from where I'm standing and reading. Doesn't Standard Missile do more damage to low sig ships like HAC's than what missile would do?
I have tried it with 5 Assault Launcher IIs, and its a totally mixxed review. On the one hand, yes, it really does do full damage to frigates, and the rate of fire is substancial. You will blast them, pretty easily. But anything bigger or with a tank will be able to absorb that damage, because it just doesn't compare to heavy missiles.
On the other hand, it frees up literally tons of powergrid and CPU. I made a Cerberscorp out of mine by putting in Tech 2 Shield Extenders, giving me about 6500 shields, with the HAC resists, so it was one tough nugget. I tanked an entire level of a Revenge level 4 mission with this thing, while my friend in his RAVEN blasted the big stuff.
Another plus side is that to really get the most of your heavies in a cerberus, you need a sensor booster. With lights, you can free up that spot, and any spots you were using (or wasting, depending on how you think of them) target painters. So you've got a strong ship with lights, but don't expect to punch out anything big.
So its a mixxed bag if you want to go with light missiles.
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Originally by: CCP Hammer
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Weirda
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Posted - 2005.09.25 16:28:00 -
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Originally by: Malken
guess what?, CCP dont give a **** and wont fix it.
you are a moron.
please just trash you stuff on the way out - it prolly not worth anything... 
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Utgardsloki
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Posted - 2005.09.25 17:07:00 -
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Originally by: Weirda
Originally by: Stormfront
Actually a plate rax wipes the floor with many other hacs....
Vagabonds...
wtf?? bull****! 
weirda will take a platerax in standard setup with a vagabond, rupture, or even stabber any day of the week (twice on sunday)... pfft....
Though I'm sure Weirda wouldn't have too much of a problem facing a plated Thorax in her Vagabond - Ruptures and Stabbers are a different matter.
I've had a corp mate in his Rupture fitted with Tech 2 720mm Arty pound me from around 20-25km with his best ammo, while I sat there at 0 m/s and tanked it for quite a while. If it had been in live combat I'd have been under his guns and tearing through structure in little over 20 seconds.
But yeah, if more pilots just focused on killing the Rax's drones as soon as they were deployed, there might not have been so many calls to have her nerfed.
I'll miss you old girl. *sniff*
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Layrex
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Posted - 2005.09.25 17:31:00 -
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Originally by: Utgardsloki
Originally by: Weirda
Originally by: Stormfront
Actually a plate rax wipes the floor with many other hacs....
Vagabonds...
wtf?? bull****!
weirda will take a platerax in standard setup with a vagabond, rupture, or even stabber any day of the week (twice on sunday)... pfft....
Though I'm sure Weirda wouldn't have too much of a problem facing a plated Thorax in her Vagabond - Ruptures and Stabbers are a different matter.
I've had a corp mate in his Rupture fitted with Tech 2 720mm Arty pound me from around 20-25km with his best ammo, while I sat there at 0 m/s and tanked it for quite a while. If it had been in live combat I'd have been under his guns and tearing through structure in little over 20 seconds.
But yeah, if more pilots just focused on killing the Rax's drones as soon as they were deployed, there might not have been so many calls to have her nerfed.
I'll miss you old girl. *sniff*
I concentrated on your drones though and it didn't save me. 
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Malken
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Posted - 2005.09.25 18:19:00 -
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Originally by: Weirda
Originally by: Malken
guess what?, CCP dont give a **** and wont fix it.
you are a moron.
please just trash you stuff on the way out - it prolly not worth anything...
if you didnt focus on just line of the post just to spout crap at me just for the sake of doing it and instead commented on the post then someone might have payed attention to your craving for attention.
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Elrathias
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Posted - 2005.09.25 18:37:00 -
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bad ship considering there is no low slot warp disruptors, no low slot webbifiers, no low slot ecm whatsoever tbh. and it uses ATLEAST 3 slots for it tanks. so that gimps the ship.
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Lay's Biatch
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Posted - 2005.09.25 18:42:00 -
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Exactly. It isn't fair on Caldari players that we cant fit scramblers or webbers in the lows. Everyone else can have a decent tank at the same time.
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JoeSomebody
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Posted - 2005.09.25 18:44:00 -
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Originally by: Wrayeth
Well, the Cerberus can actually be rather effective in *some* situations, such as vs. tech 1 cruisers or ratting battleships.
a corpmate of mine just yesterday nailed cerberus in his thorax 1v1
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Nick Marcus
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Posted - 2005.09.25 19:11:00 -
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That argument doesn't make sense.
While we can't use ecm if we want to tank,we can easely use warp stabs,damage mods,hull mods, etc...
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2005.09.25 19:16:00 -
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5x heavy missile launcher II
1x small diminishing nosferatu (drop it if you got fitting issues)
1x balmer series tracking disruptor (train the adv skill to 4)
1x named lrg shield booster (or small gist a-type)
1x photon scattering
1x 10mn AB II
1x warp disruptor (30km one is a nice investment)
4x bcu (lower the cpu the better, named are nice to have)
this setup works, a zealot will never ever beat you with this setup.
you need a lot of training to fit it all, unless you go the small gist route, which saves you a lot of fitting, but of course this is a tech2 ship so i am assuming newbs arent flying it, so if you got the training invested that setup can be effective.
the tracking disruptor gimps your enemy JUST enough to beat it, if you got a tackler, slap two on. your tanking should be enough to take down most missile ships, but watch out for ravens of course >:|
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Gunstar Zero
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Posted - 2005.09.25 19:30:00 -
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my mate gave me his cerb whilst he's on a break from the game.
I dropped it back in his hangar
not impressed at all
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Malken
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Posted - 2005.09.25 19:39:00 -
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Originally by: Jim Raynor
this setup works, a zealot will never ever beat you with this setup.
and the zealot could have a multispec and you cannot use your tracking disruptors on him so what happens then?
and the zealot got way more lowslots to use for tanking or dmg mods so you will loose since you will not be able to kill the tanking zealot at all in your cerberus.
and he will have a tank and the guns do much more dmg then your missiles do.
guess what the outcome will be?
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2005.09.25 19:55:00 -
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Originally by: Malken
Originally by: Jim Raynor
this setup works, a zealot will never ever beat you with this setup.
and the zealot could have a multispec and you cannot use your tracking disruptors on him so what happens then?
and the zealot got way more lowslots to use for tanking or dmg mods so you will loose since you will not be able to kill the tanking zealot at all in your cerberus.
and he will have a tank and the guns do much more dmg then your missiles do.
guess what the outcome will be?
im not going to play hypothetical EVE with you very rarely do zealots fly around with multispectral jammers and the cerberus' sensor strength is high enough so that a multi spec will NOT land 100% of the time, if you are jammed, you do have FOF to rely on, if its 1v1, that is
the tracking disruptor really gimps his lasers badly, lasers have almost no falloff what so ever, trust me, they work on lasers, very very well
a zealot can not out tank my cerberus nor can i out tank his damage, but with the tracking disruptor, he can't touch me, and to be honest a tanked zealot is generally 1 thermal hardener and a medium rep.. not hard to break at all
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Sorja
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Posted - 2005.09.25 21:03:00 -
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Originally by: Jim Raynor
a zealot can not out tank my cerberus
lolz
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Malken
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Posted - 2005.09.25 21:17:00 -
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Originally by: Sorja
Originally by: Jim Raynor
a zealot can not out tank my cerberus
lolz
exactly my thought also :P
i got medium pulse and beam spec to 5 and HAC skill to 5
and no i dont wanna play hypothetical eve with jim as its extremely rare that a cerberus got his mids filled with tracking disruptors where 99.9% use hardeners to be able to survive any other ship shooting at it.
nuff hypothetical stuff now jim.
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Moridin
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Posted - 2005.09.26 00:21:00 -
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I saw once a guy take on and win in a cerberus vs a True Sanhsa Tyrant and 2 Beast lord + escort.
id say at least there with proper setup it rock¦s
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Tovarishch
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Posted - 2005.09.26 01:30:00 -
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Originally by: Moridin
I saw once a guy take on and win in a cerberus vs a True Sanhsa Tyrant and 2 Beast lord + escort.
id say at least there with proper setup it rock¦s
I caught a fish this big!!!
/sarcasm off
To the original poster... I would advise you to hold off on training specifically for a Cerberus until it gets some love. While it is on even footing with t1 cruisers it is easily the single worst HAC in the game by a large margin. With some adjustments made to it's bonuses... and a bit of tweaking to a few of it's stats (not to mention a rather large increase to the DPS of heavy launchers) it will be a ship worth flying.
If you are planning on using light missiles or kitting it out to kill frigates.... just use a destroyer. They are far more effective at killing frigates... and insurance actually covers their cost. To kit a Cerberus out to even approach the DPS of other HACs you need a pretty hefty budget... and the wallet to deal with some losses.
Not to mention a lot of skill points...
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2005.09.26 02:20:00 -
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Edited by: Jim Raynor on 26/09/2005 02:20:24
Originally by: Malken
Originally by: Sorja
Originally by: Jim Raynor
a zealot can not out tank my cerberus
lolz
exactly my thought also :P
i got medium pulse and beam spec to 5 and HAC skill to 5
and no i dont wanna play hypothetical eve with jim as its extremely rare that a cerberus got his mids filled with tracking disruptors where 99.9% use hardeners to be able to survive any other ship shooting at it.
nuff hypothetical stuff now jim.
laugh all you want, ive taken down dual rep sacrileges with my cerberus, unless theyre using corpum a-type medium reps, they will still go down
a zealot can not out tank me, not that anyone TANKS zealots EVER
my setup might as well be the de facto setup because out of all the setups ive used its quite frankly the only one that has worked well for me
in fact if you want a 1v1 we can arrange it, bring your multispectral jammer too k?
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Ethan Tomlinson
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Posted - 2005.09.26 02:38:00 -
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To all the cerberus and eagle whiners out there cheers you guys are exactly right. The thing sucks *******s even with hac 5 and highly speciallised missile skills. the eagle isn't much better cept for that it can tank very nicely however that doesn't mean a thing when it does less dmg than a AF... please ccp see the many many many posts about how ****ty these things are and fix them...
change cerb flight time bonus to another dmg bonus and give the eagle a 5th turret hard point... also give them both more cap please k thx.
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Sorja
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Posted - 2005.09.26 03:31:00 -
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Make up your mind Jim.
One day you say the ship sucks balls and even come up with figures proving it does, the next day you come up with some satisfactory results with a ship worth 1 billion in fitting, and the day after the Cerberus is a Zealot bbq machine
Glad for you you managed to convince yourself that thing isn't utter crap, but 2 + 2 don't do 5 in my book.
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2005.09.26 03:47:00 -
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Originally by: Sorja
Make up your mind Jim.
One day you say the ship sucks balls and even come up with figures proving it does, the next day you come up with some satisfactory results with a ship worth 1 billion in fitting, and the day after the Cerberus is a Zealot bbq machine
Glad for you you managed to convince yourself that thing isn't utter crap, but 2 + 2 don't do 5 in my book.
the cerberus is not a top HAC
but my cerb setup is effective
an ibis with a tracking disruptor has a shot against a zealot ok, but still i like my overall cerberus setup, cerb is NOT the worst HAC, the eagle is
i think it could use a boost but i still have fun flying it.
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Lilan Kahn
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Posted - 2005.09.26 04:13:00 -
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plz whine more abut the eagel so i can keep buying it cheep, eagel is sexy as a support ship, silly tacklers that try and get close gos KAPOW. cerb fills the same rolle very nice
Originally by: Eris Discordia
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2005.09.26 04:27:00 -
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Originally by: Lilan Kahn
plz whine more abut the eagel so i can keep buying it cheep, eagel is sexy as a support ship, silly tacklers that try and get close gos KAPOW. cerb fills the same rolle very nice
i dont see how eagles hit much of anything with that horrible railgun tracking, the dps of an eagle is actually quite a bit lower than a cerberus, i dunno, i will probably get an eagle sooner or later but i dont feel like training up medium railgun spec at the moment, ive tested against friends in their eagles and my cerberus never had any issues at taking them down, and i used kinetic missiles in almost every test, which is one of the eagles best resists
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DrunkenOne
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Posted - 2005.09.26 06:24:00 -
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Originally by: Malken
Originally by: Sorja
Originally by: Jim Raynor
a zealot can not out tank my cerberus
lolz
exactly my thought also :P
i got medium pulse and beam spec to 5 and HAC skill to 5
and no i dont wanna play hypothetical eve with jim as its extremely rare that a cerberus got his mids filled with tracking disruptors where 99.9% use hardeners to be able to survive any other ship shooting at it.
nuff hypothetical stuff now jim.
...its not hypothetical cause thats HIS fitting.
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Zaintiraris
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Posted - 2005.09.26 06:31:00 -
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If you all are interested in seeing most of the effective findings of what the Cerberus can do, or if you wish to contribute your own insights, I recommend you look here.
If you want to spank each other with smack, thats cool. Take it to the corp discussions forum or whatever, where that crap belongs though. Cerberus is a HAC. It does some stuff better than others. You could just as easily ***** and moan about the apoclypse not being fast or agile.
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This game was so much better back before people knew math.
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2005.09.26 06:37:00 -
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Originally by: DrunkenOne
Originally by: Malken
Originally by: Sorja
Originally by: Jim Raynor
a zealot can not out tank my cerberus
lolz
exactly my thought also :P
i got medium pulse and beam spec to 5 and HAC skill to 5
and no i dont wanna play hypothetical eve with jim as its extremely rare that a cerberus got his mids filled with tracking disruptors where 99.9% use hardeners to be able to survive any other ship shooting at it.
nuff hypothetical stuff now jim.
...its not hypothetical cause thats HIS fitting.
haha ya, really
oh noes i will put gravimetric jammers on my zealot and pwn u up!!!
ya ok you do that, Malken, im sure you put jammers on your zealot just incase some ebil tracking disruptor cerberus comes, right?
im just trying to give people a decent setup for a ship most people have given up on using, the setup can work well for you in most circumstances, the cerb is not an uber HAC, its not the best HAC, but if you want to fly one, and i enjoy flying mine, as underpowered as it seems to be, you might as well fit it right.
there is like, no one setup in eve that will give you massive dps, a super tank, resistance to jamming, ect, you can play rock paper scissors all day if you want with setups, but the cerb setup i list here is one i use all the time and one that is an all round solid setup for small gang pvping, mmmm k?
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Meridius
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Posted - 2005.09.26 06:54:00 -
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Not much to say, Jim is right. Lol at for Sorja for arguing with the original Caldari missile *****.
TD's own turrets and if you don't know how to beat a turret dependant ship like the Zealot in a 5 midslot Cerb you don't deserve to play eve, period.
Didn't you say you were gonna quit Sorja? Pls do.
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Khatred
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Posted - 2005.09.26 07:52:00 -
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For PvE, Cerberus is a good ship. For PvP I think not but I can only assume for the PvP part.
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GreyMana
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Posted - 2005.09.26 08:53:00 -
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Originally by: Khatred
For PvE, Cerberus is a good ship. For PvP I think not but I can only assume for the PvP part.
That's exactly what I saw/heard about it. I saw some of them on Lv. 4 missions killing frigs + cruisers very well (and over a long range), while the big brother (raven) kills the BSs. Before the missile-nerf people complained about the raven as the ultimate mission ship, same will apply to the cerberus on a ship boost.
For PvP it might suffer the same limitations like the raven, can't say much about it.
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Denrace
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Posted - 2005.09.26 09:43:00 -
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Edited by: Denrace on 26/09/2005 09:44:16
HIGH: 5 Heavy Missile Launchers
MED: 2x Small Gistii Boosters, 1x Large Extender, 2x EM Hardeners
LOWS: 2x PDU II, 2x BCU
Youre not going to pin anything down in this, but then that isnt really the point with 30km+ ranges - so dont ever say "lolz u need a scram".
With this setup i can beat pretty much any HAC except an Ishtar, but i can EASILY tank all his 15 drone dmg and i just engage at above 25km (if he gets close, warp off).
This setup can tank a huge amount of damage - so for all you who say "Cerberus has a crap tank", youre completely wrong, and fools for thinking so.
Next on the agenda is the Damage Output: i can quite nicely **** up a Zealot with no issues, and i can tank his dmg long enough to eat through his armour (80% thermal and 70% EM resistance help here). I can spank frigates/interceptors, even with heavies and yes, all tech I cruisers die shamelessly to my Cerberus.
Jim Raynor is quite right, the Cerberus is much better than all you flamers think it is, you just cant fly one properly because you either:
a) are a noob
b) use it in the wrong situations, then complain
c) are incapable of fitting one right
d) have never flown one and flame it anyway
The two Gistii Boosters cost 100mill to buy (50m each). Dont EVER complain about this! can you buy the equivalent armour reps? no, because they cost over 200 mill EACH. Be grateful you are able to fit these beauties on a Cerby and if you cannot afford 2x Gistii's then you arent ready to be a HAC pilot - HACs are for advanced players. Get over it.
Now, please leave the Cerberus alone, and post contructively only. Some nice points are being raised here, and i can honestly say that the cerb could use some better bonuses (another dmg bonus would be nice), but as it is right now, id rather fly my cerby into battle than my zealot - any day of the week 
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