Secret whine thread not so secret.

Minmatar have been regarded as the best PvP race in the game. None of the OP mentioned things will really harm Matar's top position

Stop being so doom n gloom

When you nerf something and at the same time grossly buff its competition... You essentially are making that thing worthless.

Balance is not to "give turns" to races to be good.

Not really, no.
If you nerf something and at the same time grossly buff its competition, the end relative position will depend on the starting relative position and the size of the nerfs/buffs. Whether it ends up worthless or not does not depend on just the nerfs and buffs.

In this case, they're nerfing some obviously overpowered modules, nerfing a minmatar ship or two, buffing a few others, and then bringing everything else up to the same spec GÇö nothing is rendered worthless in the process, since everything converges at some middle point.

Good thing that they're not really doing that, then, but rather are trying to put everyone on roughly the same level.

The funny thing is CCP hasn't actually finalised any changes yet and CCP Rise has said he is considering giving the Tempest further improvements once people have actually used the ships on the Test server.

Minmatar are already too powerful. And come on, can nobody see the power in the tempest? It's already powerful, but now it's getting dedicated armour tanking and torpedoes - that's capless tank and capless firepower!

I feel like most of the people in here can only fly one of the races being disgustingly buffed and their ship-boners are driving them to support the game being rigged in their favor.

I feel like most of the people in here do what most people do and fly just about everything, and their ship-boners are driving them to support a game change that means more of their available ships are actually viable choices.

No, go look at the proposed changes and its obvious they are just nerfing minmatar to the ground.

Moved to the correct forum.

CCP are not daft. They know how popular Mini ships are, there is no way they will nerf them into the ground.

If the buff to other races prove to be too much then they will fix it.

as Odd Ball once said "Have a little faith baby, have a little faith"

Moved to the correct forum.

So Winmatar becomes Minmatar? Fine by me.

Hello mates,
With odyssey there is a lot of stuff coming, and among it there is a lot of rebalance.
Im posting here because im concerned about what they are doing with sub capital minmatar ships.
Cheers.

Hello mates,
With odyssey there is a lot of stuff coming, and among it there is a lot of rebalance.
Im posting here because im concerned about what they are doing with sub capital minmatar ships.

Before starting to explain why, i would like to say that i can fly all the subcaps perfectly with all my characters, so its not like im raging because of being scared of losing anything. I am just worried about the so called "rebalance" which looks to be a huge troll for minies.

While nearly all the races are getting buffed (I am fine with that, its just a fact in the global idea that minmatars are getting screwed), minmatars are mainly getting nerfs and losing what make them fun to play : agility and speed.

• Cruise missile will be receiving huge buff
• Large Energy will be buffed
• The tracking enhancer will be strongly NERFED, and even if its not "minmatar dedicated" module, its the main race using it for obvious reasons. (kyte and stuff) And its nerfed while i till dont see any really good reasons for it.

About the ship themselves, it is kinda the same, except about the T1 stabber but the main minmatar ship line is getting really screwed compared to other ships, and mainly about their main racial characteristic : agility and speed.

• Gallentes are having all their battleship line getting a new youngness with new slots layouts/bonuses
• Caldari BS are globally buffed
• Amarr is buffed (this armag \o/!)
• What about minmatars? Typhoon and Mael looks fine, but the Tempest is getting small tweaks, mainly keeping his poor slot layout compared to the other races changes.
• About the new faction BCs, the navy cane is just the old T1 while other races are getting nearly totally new ships (with the navy harbi having more meds than the navy cane, wtf?)
• While all the faction cruisers are getting buffed the only one getting nerfed is the Stabber Fleet Issue

But the worst in this, is that as a result of all this buffs/nerf, Minmatar line of ships is nearly not anymore the more agile/fast line of ships. So they are getting nerfed, and lose their racial "natural strength" to other races for lots of ships. While other races are receiving STRONG buffs.

Apparently CCP Rise is well aware of that for his part. Im more concerned about what is doing CCP Fozzie who looks blind to that.

TL;DR : With the rebalance announces for Odyssey Minmatars subcap hulls are gonna be under powered compared to other races, please dont forget them.

Thank's for reading guys, and i would be really happy to know what you think about this.
Also please dont make this thread personnal, again, im fine with the buffs they made on other races, im just concerned about a "fair" rebalance.

Cheers.

I think we need to get back what made each races' ships unique, instead of having a generic role for each ships that extends across all races.

The way it was:
GÇó Minmatar: fast and agile, GTFO ability, lots of kiting and utility. Usually hardest race to train for due to the vast amount of skills needed to fly their ships effectively.
GÇó Caldari: Long range capabilities and slow and chunky. Thick tanks.
GÇó Gallente: I'm going to sit on your face while I melt it. Drones sting like bees. Ships are slow when plated, but agile hen gank fit.
GÇó Amarr: Golden bricks of lasers and tank. Very straightforward with little variation.

How it is becoming: let's give all races a brawler ship, kiter ship, Tanky ship, and a special EWAR ship (ewar was there before). I just feel that the races are becoming too generalized and bland, without enough distinction between them.

-They've 'brought back' the old drake/hurricane via the navy version and the drake is much more buffed (over the cane)

No, go look at the proposed changes and its obvious they are just nerfing minmatar to the ground.