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JarmenKell
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Posted - 2005.09.25 22:13:00 -
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Edited by: JarmenKell on 25/09/2005 22:24:05
Edited by: JarmenKell on 25/09/2005 22:23:33
Hello.
nice to see we broke thru the 16k barrier tonight
Well, i got Pretty bored with eve, so i ve started something thats kinda of missing.
and its something i done pretty damn well with my PvP charchter.
We Provide service ei:
*Infiltrate Into Corporations or Alliances to gather intel EI: members list, Pos Location, Use map features like
Corp memebrs in Space
*Get TS or Ventrillo IP+Password if needed.
*Use Covert Ops ships to Spy on your enemy.
And loads more of different Tricks & Methods of Sabotage.
I Barely Started This Today but i will be Dedicated into this work. Put all my effort and game time into it, to make sure all Clients Are Pleased.
As you see the corp count is at 1, thats because my team mates will not be joining the corp but using their alts to infiltrate.
If any One wants to join me, let me know, ur ID will remain anonymous.
oh AND more Girls are needed.
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Admiral IceBlock
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Posted - 2005.09.25 22:24:00 -
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can you give me a free test, so i can give free pr to you if your successfull? :P
"We brake for nobody"
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JarmenKell
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Posted - 2005.09.25 22:25:00 -
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Edited by: JarmenKell on 25/09/2005 22:25:21
 Originally by: Admiral IceBlock
can you give me a free test, so i can give free pr to you if your successfull? :P
and who is your Target?
eve mail it to me of course
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Cyrius Petrowski
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Posted - 2005.09.26 03:21:00 -
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Call me crazy...but I think there might be some legality issues of you obtaining people's TS info and passwords under false pretenses. I'm no lawyer myself, but have seen the fallout of these kind of actions. And quite frankly even if you find this to be a new and fun way to play the game, when you start including peoples r/l assets like voice servers and forums you could find yourself in quite a bit of trouble. I for one certainly hope so!
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Mindlles
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Posted - 2005.09.26 07:16:00 -
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pretty low way of play the game,,
well well hope u enjoy it tho jarmenkell.. becouse thats what this game is about
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Posted - 2005.09.26 08:21:00 -
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wat a load of crap!
I never forget a face, but in your case I'll be glad to make an exception
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Agil Scout
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Posted - 2005.09.26 09:58:00 -
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Originally by: JarmenKell
*Get TS or Ventrillo IP+Password if needed.
Are you stupid. 
Originally by: JarmenKell
*Use Covert Ops ships to Spy on your enemy.
Must be stupid, as all corps sort of HAVE THEIR OWN, why trust an outsider.null
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[IAC] Teh best noob corp in the world.
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Drilla
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Posted - 2005.09.26 10:21:00 -
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I think you missed the point (or I did) - he'll make a corp that makes alts for use in spying.
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Agil Scout
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Posted - 2005.09.26 11:43:00 -
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Originally by: Drilla
I think you missed the point (or I did) - he'll make a corp that makes alts for use in spying.
Using an alt to gain OUT OF GAME info, that people have used REAL LIFE MONEY for shud not be allowed, MY POINT that is.
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theRaptor
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Posted - 2005.09.26 15:18:00 -
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How many Guiding Hand Social Club's* do you rate yourselves as? 0.2 maybe?
* Standard EVE measurement for duplicitous deeds.
That is not dead which can eternal lie,
And with strange aeons even death may die.
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JarmenKell
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Posted - 2005.09.26 20:05:00 -
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510 people read this topic, 5 idiots felt its necessary to Flame about it calling me Stupid, and that every corp has its own agents that do that.
iam pretty sure not every one in 0.0 will sit in an agent lvl 3 mission just to get info were targets are, and thats what jarmenkell will be doing, obviously this aint my main at the moment but used to be, i will not do Jobs Against : PA NBSI or SA .
and de not ASK why, i am all ready on my first couple of assignment.
its not Easy work, but resaults are all Ready in. 
sory for those who don t like my Idea, but its just the way it is, so Enjoy.
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Red Adept
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Posted - 2005.09.26 21:25:00 -
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JarmenKell,
You are putting your account and corporation at risk by publically posting your desire to maliciously gain access to voice/data servers such as TS or Ventrillo.
You may think it's a game, but you are apparently unaware of the trouble you could get into either in-game (banned) or out of game (the law) if you actually persue "*Get TS or Ventrillo IP+Password if needed."
I worked with a guy who did something he thought at the time was just for fun when he was a kid, and he's got a lifetime felony on his record for it...
The laws in the U.S. are getting stiffer every month on stuff like this.
Take my advise and stay clear of getting in the business of pimping out access information to people's voice servers.
-Red Adept.
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JarmenKell
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Posted - 2005.09.27 01:10:00 -
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ok maybe not the comms info, i see your point.
but you won t get banned of the game for giving info of some one on were they are based etc.
there is no law against it. so its not an exploit.
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Aceformat
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Posted - 2005.09.27 03:26:00 -
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The game offers so much in the way of complexity and depth that indeed this sort of procedure has been done countless times before, sometimes on a small scale sometimes on a grand scale, it happens all the time, one guy joins a corp gets decent privilages then rapes everything out of the corp one night and does a runner!
This tactic stated above is very low and dishonest, but it's nothing more than espionage on a game wide scale.
kudos JarmenKell for trying this line of gameplay, although the public announcement won't win you many friends, I'm sure it could be very profitable ISK wise, and alot of effort should see it blossom.
Might give the CEO's of all corps something else to worry about also!!
As for me personally I think this type of gameplay is very dirty and cheap, are you like this in rl?? A backstabber I mean?
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Travel Girl
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Posted - 2005.09.27 05:29:00 -
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This is as illegal or bannable as loging your main while hostiles outnumber you to use an alt to mine, npc or what ever imo. Furthermore this kinda of tactics have already been used in game n noone got banned to my knowledge. I dont like the idea, but that doesnt make it illegal. |
Ly'sol
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Posted - 2005.09.27 06:35:00 -
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An ethical spy...
Tisk
Jarmen,
Do both sides....you obviously got love for alliances in the North. And I will tell you right now you are an amature. You will make a name for yourself if you use your main as the spearhead for the venture and work for and against your allies.
Come on man...be an equal oppertunity employer.
Besides...I need to get a spy in JF...I hate them all. Ooops
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Ly'sol
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Posted - 2005.09.27 06:37:00 -
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Originally by: Travel Girl
This is as illegal or bannable as loging your main while hostiles outnumber you to use an alt to mine, npc or what ever imo. Furthermore this kinda of tactics have already been used in game n noone got banned to my knowledge. I dont like the idea, but that doesnt make it illegal.
so long it is inside the game.
gaining access to a third party program however is very illegal.
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Einheriar Ulrich
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Posted - 2005.09.27 07:37:00 -
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I think its a good idea, allthought the TS,ventrillo trick is low, and you should not use it.
So Say I. Einheriar Ulrich of the Bloodline of Einheriar.
****Minion Of VOTF****
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JarmenKell
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Posted - 2005.09.27 10:06:00 -
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yeah i know i got rude of it.
FYI iam not a backstaber in RL. thats my sister.
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Lunas Feelgood
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Posted - 2005.09.27 17:23:00 -
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Spys, alt is ruin this game
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odoso
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Posted - 2005.09.27 18:37:00 -
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I think that this would be good for intel, i.e: who's freinds of who, naps, etc.
If I am an alliance that is accepting a corp into it, I would love any details on that corp. To make sure we are not being infiltrated.
Giving of passwords etc. that is not something I agree with. But informants on the pay.... that is cool.
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Katjia
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Posted - 2005.09.27 20:19:00 -
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Edited by: Katjia on 27/09/2005 20:22:42
i like this idea ran something like this with some alts in psychokat scouts and for all you wanna be lawyers out ther if the person manages to get the ip and pass for a ts server it is ussually given to em out of trust...you wouldn't give a stranger a key to your home ...... so all that legal mumbo jumbo is crap... gets flashback to naughty rl days and remembers a term..social engineering ;)
edit: oh yeah and us laws are not the world laws so get over yourselves.
gah spelling is soooo overated.... |
Katjia
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Posted - 2005.09.27 20:24:00 -
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almost forgot....
US laws are not the worlds laws so get over yourselves...remembers another term ..ethnocentric.
gah spelling is soooo overated.... |
JarmenKell
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Posted - 2005.09.27 21:04:00 -
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british laws could be weird, today i read the papers, and aparently staring at babys in clinics is now banned, and considered a crime against humanity.
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Katjia
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Posted - 2005.09.27 22:03:00 -
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what if it's a really ugly baby.....
gah spelling is soooo overated.... |
odoso
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Posted - 2005.09.27 22:04:00 -
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Edited by: odoso on 27/09/2005 22:04:42
ITS A FREAKING GAME..... 
I know I would not wana be spied on. But I also know that I would like spies on my side.
High Admiral
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JarmenKell
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Posted - 2005.09.28 01:35:00 -
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Originally by: odoso
Edited by: odoso on 27/09/2005 22:04:42
ITS A FREAKING GAME.....
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dude, if there was jsut more people like you who understand those 3 words.
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Gwindor
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Posted - 2005.09.28 02:16:00 -
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Edited by: Gwindor on 28/09/2005 02:21:15
This is illegal actually and is proscutable in the usa, im sure that other international business and lawenforcment would also not allow such a thing. Someone mentioned that is isnt the usa. However it doesnt matter, cyber crime in the usa, from over seas is delt with through that goverment or lawenfocrment agency in that country, people have been arrested and tried in other countries for internet crimes aimed at scamming, stealing and handing out peoples information. You also wnt to make sure that the "server info and pass" you take is not actually hosted on a company, that makes it even worse.
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Ethan Tomlinson
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Posted - 2005.09.28 02:47:00 -
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good for the US they are babies....and i live there
oops looks like its quantanamo for me
anyways Jarmen great idea you also may want to use an agent to find people in space. I like this sort of espionage **** especially since ccp said they would implement this into the game and havn't yet...
anyways good luck and i also agree with the outside of game stuff... if you can get away with it go for it...I personally wouldn't because i dont care enough but im sure plenty of people would love that server and in my opinion it is the same as getting a spy into an alliance chat who cares if its in the game or not i think its still the same thing
GL m8
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quellious
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Posted - 2005.09.28 12:01:00 -
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Hi guys,
CCP has already stated that spying is allowed, and this is not thiefing to empty other corp hangars if you are in conflict with them.
I also don't like the idea, but as usual, you know that you might get spyed, you need to adapt.
However, meta gaming is forbidden. According to my understanding you might not spy any IRL information.
Ciao.
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odoso
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Posted - 2005.09.28 17:24:00 -
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Originally by: Gwindor
Edited by: Gwindor on 28/09/2005 02:23:57
Edited by: Gwindor on 28/09/2005 02:21:15
This is illegal actually and is proscutable in the usa, im sure that other international business and lawenforcment would also not allow such a thing. Someone mentioned that is isnt the usa. However it doesnt matter, cyber crime in the usa, from over seas is delt with through that goverment or lawenfocrment agency in that country, people have been arrested and tried in other countries for internet crimes aimed at scamming, stealing and handing out peoples information. You also wnt to make sure that the "server info and pass" you take is not actually hosted on a company, that makes it even worse, i not make this up, but has been in the news very very often.
Anyone here up for hiring spies on Gwindor say "I"
ok Gwindor, I am sure he is not asking for TS passwords and the like. But those that are able to get access. And see it to their benefit to sell information they read or hear. Then from what I understand by the game rules CCP allows that. For example, if you contacted his spy corp and said: 'I wana know details on this corp and their strength and allies'
Getting the details that Corps A, B , C , & D are that corps buddies before you attack and **** em all off is worth the investment.
Unfortunatly corps A, B, C, & D have a spy that has been placed to learn this. I am sure USA freaking laws (cuba here I come) would throw a case like this out of court. Why? CAUSE ITS A FREAKING GAME! (4 words)
Have fun and enjoy 'the game'
High Admiral
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Raem Civrie
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Posted - 2005.09.29 11:52:00 -
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What experience do you have? How deep is your knowledge of your game?
Convince me, in five sentences or less, why people should use YOU, instead of doing it themselves, or hire some of the existing services (for example, Guiding Hand).
If so, I'll get you the attention needed to get clients.
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B orange
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Posted - 2005.09.29 13:41:00 -
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Cybercrime? Hmm, not if you give me your TS password. Did he said breaking into them?
Read closer.
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odoso
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Posted - 2005.09.29 14:27:00 -
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Originally by: B orange
Cybercrime? Hmm, not if you give me your TS password. Did he said breaking into them?
Read closer.
EXACTLY
High Admiral
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theRaptor
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Posted - 2005.09.29 16:10:00 -
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Originally by: B orange
Cybercrime? Hmm, not if you give me your TS password. Did he said breaking into them?
Read closer.
In many jurisdictions that would be cybercrime. Just because you con an employee to give you a password doesn't mean you are allowed to access a businesses computers.
No way in hell anyway is going to convince the police to persecute for accessing a VOIP server for a game though. In fact its generally hard for businesses to get the police to investigate cybercrime thats causes less then five figures in damage.
That is not dead which can eternal lie,
And with strange aeons even death may die.
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Duke Yaker
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Posted - 2005.09.29 20:47:00 -
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what if it is 6 figures in isk?
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Einheriar Ulrich
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Posted - 2005.09.30 03:37:00 -
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Edited by: Einheriar Ulrich on 30/09/2005 03:39:30
Originally by: Gwindor
Edited by: Gwindor on 28/09/2005 02:23:57
Edited by: Gwindor on 28/09/2005 02:21:15
This is illegal actually and is proscutable in the usa, im sure that other international business and lawenforcment would also not allow such a thing. Someone mentioned that is isnt the usa. However it doesnt matter, cyber crime in the usa, from over seas is delt with through that goverment or lawenfocrment agency in that country, people have been arrested and tried in other countries for internet crimes aimed at scamming, stealing and handing out peoples information. You also wnt to make sure that the "server info and pass" you take is not actually hosted on a company, that makes it even worse, i not make this up, but has been in the news very very often.
Sigh.............I seriusly doubt, that my Goverment for instance(I am from Denmark), would give a hoot, if FBI called our police saying, that a certain danish person had hacked a ventrillo or TS server in the US.....They would proberly put them on hold and go fight real crime.
So Say I. Einheriar Ulrich of the Bloodline of Einheriar.
****Minion Of VOTF****
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Boonaki
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Posted - 2005.09.30 08:51:00 -
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GHSC while very effective at what they do, are rather expensive as I understand it. They take it a lil bit further then just spying. I imagine his services wouldn't be all that high of a price.
There are already spies in 90% of the corps out there. What you should do is use the resources already in place. Offer ISK to those that have the spies in place. Collect as much information as possible and put it into a database. Simple corp lists of who is in the corp can be worth millions.
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odoso
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Posted - 2005.09.30 23:24:00 -
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Originally by: Boonaki
GHSC while very effective at what they do, are rather expensive as I understand it. They take it a lil bit further then just spying. I imagine his services wouldn't be all that high of a price.
There are already spies in 90% of the corps out there. What you should do is use the resources already in place. Offer ISK to those that have the spies in place. Collect as much information as possible and put it into a database. Simple corp lists of who is in the corp can be worth millions.
Sorta like a secret spy network. I think it would be important for those that have spies in place to be able to keep who the spies are and how many a secret. But of course a way is needed to get information out and also for the given spies to be paid isk for the info..... Boonaki you got a good idea... But how can we do it so that a spy is not given up?
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Ly'sol
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Posted - 2005.10.01 00:55:00 -
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Originally by: JarmenKell
Originally by: odoso
Edited by: odoso on 27/09/2005 22:04:42
ITS A FREAKING GAME.....
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dude, if there was jsut more people like you who understand those 3 words.
Yeah, to bad its four words.
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Doctor Shady
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Posted - 2005.10.01 18:56:00 -
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when i was in school i was told A is a letter guese jarmen had the same teacher.
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Shai Faetal
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Posted - 2005.10.01 21:52:00 -
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Edited by: Shai Faetal on 01/10/2005 21:52:51
Originally by: Ly'sol
Originally by: JarmenKell
Originally by: odoso
Edited by: odoso on 27/09/2005 22:04:42
ITS A FREAKING GAME.....
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dude, if there was jsut more people like you who understand those 3 words.
Yeah, to bad its four words.
technically ITS is not a word. it is sposed to be it's which is = it is. 
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Zeepo
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Posted - 2005.10.02 17:15:00 -
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hmmm sounds like a fun corp to join ... |
TekRa
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Posted - 2005.10.03 20:31:00 -
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I don't see how registering on TS and supplying the log in details to a thrid party constitutes a crime. no contracts are signed saying tha user name and password are confidential and you're not maliciously obtaining the information. maybe id there was a TOS, maybe! but logging in and listening to VOIP wouldn't warrent any investigation, FBI or otherwise.
for 500m isk I'll supply my TS details to anyone interested.
thats a joke! please don't ban me
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JarmenKell
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Posted - 2005.10.04 02:01:00 -
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Aight, this has been a good Week..
im getting paid 20- up to 79 mills per job..........
One customer wasn t happy with the finished, cause he Wanted me to get him username and pass for BOB forum, because its an alliance that takes Security very Seriously i asked for 40 mills at least for that,,,, he refused to pay.
One more thing People who are asking me were to this guys, as in whoever,, have POSes claiming sovreignty.. i say this to you,. go to the alliance page. select wish alliance, and it will say to you what systems they have, aight. u can also use the MAP
and Zeepo when i was a noob 5 days old . i had 5 mills, and u scammed me for 4 of them, i wouldnt trust you enogh to tell u my dead ancestor's name
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Ly'sol
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Posted - 2005.10.04 04:22:00 -
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Edited by: Ly''sol on 04/10/2005 04:24:12
Good old Zeepo...he is like a gift that keeps on giving.
edit: Oh and if you get any parties interested in the JF forums...they are gonna be disappointed. They will probally walk out of it questioning thier sexuality. And regardless...they dont got to spend thier isk for a spy to gain access. What you see publicly is what you get.
Took up the policy of being completely open after a certain alliance hacked our forum after a certian GNW...er...I said to much.
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skilz
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Posted - 2005.10.04 09:56:00 -
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Hi do you think you could do some hardCORE spying for me like gavaroche? If so please contact me ingame.
p.s. just kidding
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