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Jon Engel
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Posted - 2005.09.26 02:24:00 -
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It has come to my and many attentions that, the time for Intaki self soverignty is at hand. Our people live and slave for the Federation and do nothing as the Gallente Imperialists assimilate our people into there own culture. As a member of the Growning Intaki Liberation movement I ask all Fellow Intakis to Join The public Intaki Channel so that we can coordinate our efforts, Concerns so that we can make ouselves more than a gallente subclass.
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Kyogen Steiner
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Posted - 2005.09.26 09:27:00 -
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Could you tell us more about this movement?
Im pretty sure you would get massive support from the caldari patriot factions.
I mean... caldari if any race knows how it is to live under federation rule... and what the federation can do without a blink even though the preach peace and liberty.
Ironic isnt it?
In any case, i wish the best to the intaki movement, and if you need support, dont be afraid to contact caldari patriots as myself.
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Shuo Ban
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Posted - 2005.09.26 09:28:00 -
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huh ?? who ?? seperatists movement ?? ahhhh please explain my blade is lost
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Jon Engel
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Posted - 2005.09.26 11:04:00 -
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The movement is as of yet underground. We are involved in a long struggle to liberate our people from Gallente assimilation. We encourage Intakis or anyone curious or sympathetic to the cause to join the Intaki channel. It will be a long struggle but I think its time we receive the same rights and oppurtunitys that the Gallente stole from us centurys ago.
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Vorshal
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Posted - 2005.09.26 12:15:00 -
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What are you talking about! The Gallente Federation has helped us achieve a notible presence amongst the empires, previously the Intaki people were simple and primitive with very little technology. With the help of the Gallente the Intaki people now live in a prosperous democratic society.
Your movement is ill-informed and has no purpose other than to incite hatred against the Gallente Federation, the very foundation that gave the Intaki People the power and resources to reach further than ever before.
Tone down your dumb founded claims you dissident Intaki and crawl back into the hole from once you came, your claims and actions are a disgrace to the Intaki People and your lack of appreciation for the Gallente Federation stains your character with a mark of disrespect.
You are a disgrace, if you and your ill-informed underground groups continue this false propaganda against the Gallente Federation, then I will be forced to petition the Gallente Security forces to have you arrested. Or better still, place a nominal bounty on your head!
Take note Jon Engel
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Jon Engel
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Posted - 2005.09.26 12:25:00 -
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We are not Gallente as you so think. We are Intaki! All my movement is aimed at is a free and sovereign Intaki people. I do beleive the Gallentes are the only ones in the Federation that have that option. I suggest you rethink who you are and what you supposed fervor for the Federation will do the Intaki people as a whole.
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Vorshal
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Posted - 2005.09.26 12:41:00 -
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You still do not give good enough grounds to base your arguement on.
The Intaki people have been encorporated into the Gallente Federation, Intaki help rule and govern the Federation and our homeworlds have been brought under the control, protection and prosperity of the federation.
The Intaki people have never been as content as what they are now. We prosper and thrive and you choose to challenge our current situation by reclaiming our sovereignty?
The Intaki people are still recognised as Intaki and not as Gallentean, we will always be Intaki and will always have Intaki Blood. Accept that the Federation is now our home, if you wish to challenge the Federation Senate, then do so by petitioning the senate with your proposals. Remember that the Gallente Federation is a democratic Society and the senate will hear you speak.
If you choose to continue the underground movement without consulting the senate, then you are no better than the outlawed groups that live in desolate space.
The simple fact is, if you don't like the way the things are done in the Federation either you bite your tongue or leave and establish your own colony outside of federation control.
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Pulgor
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Posted - 2005.09.26 13:55:00 -
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If the Intaki are so important their homeworld would be a higher security system.
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2005.09.26 14:01:00 -
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 Originally by: Pulgor
If the Intaki wanted to be so important their homeworld would be a higher security system.
There, I fixed it for you, Pulgur.
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Jon Engel
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Posted - 2005.09.26 14:17:00 -
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My goal is not to attack anyone. I am not organizing pilots to raid Federation Outposts or run contraband items into Gallente space. I am simply asking that the Intaki people join together as a community. I want bring us together so that among other things our goals and concerns as well as interests can be unified into a network of Intaki people looking out for Intaki people. I merely wish to bring to attention the growing Intaki Seperatist movement that I am a supporter of. I wish to inform the curios and engage the critics in civil conversation and debate. As indicated by your threats to petition the authorities to have a bounty put on my head indicates you dont care to allow those who disagree with you on the Federations treatment and assimilation of other cultures to organize or even exist.
And I also remind you, I have done nothing Illegal and your attempts to have me arrested will fail. And any attempt at having a bounty put on my head or if you decide to have me killed or attacked in anyway will not go without consequences.
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Vorshal
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Posted - 2005.09.26 15:02:00 -
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First you say you are c-ordinating a struggle against the Gallente Federation and now you say your instigating a mass movement! which is it?
Your movement has nothing to do with Intaki Interest, you are just causing trouble by trying to incite segregation of the Intaki people from the Gallente Federation, such acts of Incitement are cause to petition for your arrest.
If you wish to segregate the Intaki people then let those who are dumb enough to follow you do so. I would recommend that you visit the Intaki Halls of History and learn more about the Intaki people and its embrace into the federation before you continue your futile movement.
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Kyogen Steiner
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Posted - 2005.09.26 18:22:00 -
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Its not like the Intaki had a choice. It was pure conquest. Mind you the "integration" took a very long time.
The Gallente Federation is the richest empire in the galaxy, still, Intaki citizens die every day due to their own HOMEWORLD being a pirate infested hellhole. If the federation actually cared, that wouldnt be the case.
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Kaleigh Doyle
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Posted - 2005.09.26 19:01:00 -
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Originally by: Jon Engel
I am coordinating a mass movement to bring the concerns of the growing Intaki seperatists movement. I am asking people of Intaki Blood to Join the Intaki channel. We must organize now or all is lost. I am not speaking on behalf of any organization or particular person. I am speaking as a seperatist who thinks its time to bring our struggle to attention and spur more fervor in our people.
I want bring us together so that among other things our goals and concerns as well as interests can be unified into a network of Intaki people looking out for Intaki people
Spur more fervor to do what? Discuss common interests? Let's cut through the double-speak here; You've acknowledged you're apart of a growing Intaki separatist movement, and I'm guessing you're not gathering to exchange family recipies, are you?
I'd be willing wager isk the topics of ceding from the Federation and sharing stories about evil Gallenteans won't be far from the scene.
The channel is named, "Intaki" you say?
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Rhal Kyrox
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Posted - 2005.09.26 19:44:00 -
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I can understand your bitterness.
But you are missing the fact that most Intaki are willingly bowing to the federation laws. They think they are part of something worth while to give up some of there freedom.
Whatever, if you're tired of living alongside those fools, come join the Syndicate.
You will find here everything you need among your kin and much more,
merchands from far regions travel here to sell there goods in our stations, rare ore reserves, plenty of rich moons to set your POS up.
With a bit if wits you can be a rich man in a very short time.
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Constantine Arcanum
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Posted - 2005.09.26 20:31:00 -
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"With a bit if wits..."
Sorry, but that's gold 
I would come help you, but I'm in a corp right now.
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Mather Maelstrom
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Posted - 2005.09.26 21:37:00 -
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What stops us intaki to unite so that by democracy and own force we secure the Intaki homeworld?
I'm intaki and to tell you the truth I see enough Intaki in high secure federation space that gain a lot of isk but do nothing to support their own people. If you wish to improve the situation I suggest you wage war on pirates instead of going anti gallente. I don't see the Federation navy making our space insecure. To impove things then first start doing so by boosting the Intaki morale and show them their own responsibilities, I think you will find many Gallenteans that are willing to support your efforts.
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Oberon Quintaran
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Posted - 2005.09.27 03:19:00 -
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As a follower of the great Sansha, I can sympathise with the Intaki's loss. We too had our soverignty taken from us by the Gallente. We also wish it back.
When the Nation of Sansha's dreams rises again we shall deal with those who wronged us, perhaps on that day too the Intaki can savour retribution.
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Jalia Kovac
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Posted - 2005.09.27 03:35:00 -
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Originally by: Vorshal
The Intaki people have been encorporated into the Gallente Federation, Intaki help rule and govern the Federation and our homeworlds have been brought under the control, protection and prosperity of the federation.
Yes, if by incorporated you mean assimilated. Our cultural heritage is absent, our leaders scattered and any sense of identity as an Intaki is lost to the majority of our people.
Yes, if by control you mean that Intaki have no say in the governance of their own territory and affairs.
Yes, if by protection you mean that our home system suffers under a CONCORD rating of 0.1 and is left to decay under the threats of piracy and murder.
Yes, if by prosperity you mean that our markets are so woefully underdeveloped that most goods cannot be purchased within the entirety of Placid. What can be is produced in Syndicate and shipped down through Orvolle.
Originally by: Vorshal
The Intaki people have never been as content as what they are now. We prosper and thrive and you choose to challenge our current situation by reclaiming our sovereignty?
Clearly your estimation of contentment differs somewhat from mine.
Originally by: Vorshal
The Intaki people are still recognised as Intaki and not as Gallentean, we will always be Intaki and will always have Intaki Blood.
Again, not so. A quick look at your own communiques on GalNet will show you that you are labeled as Gallente.
Originally by: Vorshal
Accept that the Federation is now our home, if you wish to challenge the Federation Senate, then do so by petitioning the senate with your proposals. Remember that the Gallente Federation is a democratic Society and the senate will hear you speak.
That is one of the areas in which our organisation is seeking to redress these issues.
Now, would you care to amend or amplify any of your statements?
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Vorshal
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Posted - 2005.09.27 04:05:00 -
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Edited by: Vorshal on 27/09/2005 04:07:06
I am a follower of Intaki traditions and culture, however it is time that the Intaki stop looking to the past and embrace the future within the federation. Since the Intaki people have been encorporated into the federation we have gained technology and prosperity with the help and support from the federation.
Our homeworld is a beautiful planet, and if you wish to enforce its borders against pirates and vagabonds, then do so. Small dissident groups are no match for the majority of the Intaki people and are certainly no match against the federation.
The Mal'Hajat will defend Intaki Interests, however we see no purpose to this uprising against the federation. If Intaki are not happy living on the Intaki Homeworlds, then they are free to migrate elsewhere within the federation.
If your aims are to setup and maintain a dissident Intaki faction, then do so, but do it far from our borders so we cannot look upon the shame and disgrace that you bring to the Intaki Race.
Vorshal
Mal'Hajat
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Kyogen Steiner
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Posted - 2005.09.27 07:30:00 -
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Since the Intaki people have been encorporated into the federation we have gained technology and prosperity with the help and support from the federation
Its funny that you describe it this way. Bear in mind that the caldari where "part of the federation" aswell. Im sure you are jumping with joy that you can now fly vexors and drink quafe. But at what cost?
Your own HOMEWORLD is as badly protected by the "federation" that only deep space is considered worse. The high class Gallenteans feast on the riches that they stripped from your world when it was conquered.... sorry, encorporated into the federation. If the federation would care one bit about your people, they would atleast spend a smal portion of their riches to actually defend it.
prosperity for who? not for the Intaki world or its civilans who live in fear.
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Our homeworld is a beautiful planet, and if you wish to enforce its borders against pirates and vagabonds, then do so. Small dissident groups are no match for the majority of the Intaki people and are certainly no match against the federation.
Well, since you are encorporated into the federation, shouldnt your world also recive protection? Or is it up to freelance pilots to do that on their free time? Your logic is faulty.
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The Mal'Hajat will defend Intaki Interests, however we see no purpose to this uprising against the federation. If Intaki are not happy living on the Intaki Homeworlds, then they are free to migrate elsewhere within the federation.
You claim to serve the best interest of the Intaki, yet you act more like a Gallente. If the Intaki are not happy, the obvious answer would be for the federation to actually do something about it.
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If your aims are to setup and maintain a dissident Intaki faction, then do so, but do it far from our borders so we cannot look upon the shame and disgrace that you bring to the Intaki Race.
There is no shame in taking what is yours, fighting for your rights and to get your voice heard. Again, im sure the caldari would support any fight for freedom that the Intaki have planned. May it be political or with force. War is.... profitable for business. The Intaki and the Caldari have more in common than the federation filth will ever have.
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Vorshal
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Posted - 2005.09.27 09:36:00 -
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I have already stated that the current Intaki situation has been blown out of proportion. Do you really think that the Intaki that sit on the Federation Senate do nothing about their own Intaki Homeworld?
Both Gallentean and Concord forces patrol Intaki Space, whilst some areas of Intaki space lack sufficient security, co-ordinates have been issued to all vessels entering Intaki space to avoid these routes.
The Intaki are members of the Federation, and if being a member of the federation is no longer in the interest of the Intaki people then we are well within our right to leave. But that is not the case. So as I have said and will say for the last time, quell your dissident ill-informed, empty propoganda and go about your business.
Vorshal
Mal'Hajat
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Kyogen Steiner
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Posted - 2005.09.27 10:43:00 -
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I have already stated that the current Intaki situation has been blown out of proportion. Do you really think that the Intaki that sit on the Federation Senate do nothing about their own Intaki Homeworld?
It would seem so.
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Both Gallentean and Concord forces patrol Intaki Space, whilst some areas of Intaki space lack sufficient security, co-ordinates have been issued to all vessels entering Intaki space to avoid these routes.
Well, remember that we are talking about the Intaki HOMEWORLD. not some random colony. Im sure the civilian Intakis living on Intaki are very greatful that concord and the mighty gallentean navy avoid that area of space.
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The Intaki are members of the Federation, and if being a member of the federation is no longer in the interest of the Intaki people then we are well within our right to leave. But that is not the case. So as I have said and will say for the last time, quell your dissident ill-informed, empty propoganda and go about your business.
Its funny that all intaki seem to forget the last time a "intigrated" part of the federation chose to leave it. Caldari prime anyone? Orbital bombings? Big war? ring a bell? Your naive stance on Federation politics amuses me. They are no better than the enslaving selfstuffed Amarr, and atleast the Amarr stand for what they do.
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Hans Roaming
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Posted - 2005.09.27 15:43:00 -
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The Intaki are part for the federation, if the federation hadn't come across them would they even know about starflight at this moment in time?
There is nothing stopping the Intaki members of the federation from killing pirates and bringing law to the lawlessness of space. I myself used to hunt pirates in Placid, for all Federation members and not just for Gallente.
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Aktari Narila
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Posted - 2005.09.28 04:18:00 -
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You all seem to forget what has been taken from us. The Gallente Federations name clearly states who it is set up for. It is an Empire founded by Gallentes who wish to bring there form of Democracy to anyone they meet "if by force or otherwise". They didnt give The Intaki or the Caldari a choice in whether or not to join the Gallentefederation or not. They simply came to our ancestors and integrated them. Now when an Intaki speaks about the right for self soverignty and Free homeworld. We are branded terrorists and Radicals. We do not want to Expand our borders and make non Intakis Join our society we simply want the same rights that the Amarrs and the Gallente have. We want a government set up for Intakis, We want a soverign homeworld as the capital as it is expected to be, We want to preserve our culture and language, these are not unreasonable things to want.
Wasnt the Gallente Federation set up to give these rights to all people or is it simply a Government set up to further Gallente Imperialism?
I ask you all to decide for youself.
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Kyogen Steiner
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Posted - 2005.09.28 07:43:00 -
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A history lesson for those that seem to have forgotten:
Taken from the history text of the Caldari-Gallente War
After a while the Caldari agenda became clear - they were willing to sign peace if the Federation would return Caldari Prime and acknowledge the newly formed Caldari state.
But the Gallenteans couldnÆt agree to these demands for two reasons: one, they were loath to admit a sovereign state into their midst; close to their own home planet and were unwilling to uproot the sizeable Gallente population on Caldari Prime, and second, the Gallenteans were not alone in the Federation and if they allowed the Caldari to leave the Intakis and Mannars, both of them starting to flex their economical and political muscles, might be tempted to follow, thus throwing the whole society into turmoil. The Gallenteans were forced to regard the Caldari as rebels and renegades and had to try to get them back into the Federation, with good or evil.
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Ly'sol
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Posted - 2005.09.28 07:56:00 -
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<Chuckles>
looks at Stiener.....playing politician...<laughs>...shaddup you dirty rat and just start shooting.
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Kyogen Steiner
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Posted - 2005.09.28 08:15:00 -
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Point taken... Gallentean *laughs*
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Jon Engel
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Posted - 2005.09.28 10:58:00 -
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Yes I do beleive the name of the Gallente Federation shows a great deal as to whome it serves. I beg all Intakis to think about what clothes the common Intaki wear, The language they use, the only type of culture open to the vast majority of Intakis is of gallente origin. We lose our language day by day, we are indeed losing our culture as we lose our culture we lose most of our identity. The only difference between the Caldari and the Intaki is that no gallente would want to live on our homeworlds or work in our sectors of space. If we are indeed an equal part of the Federation are we not intitled to secure space and open markets. You may reply and ask why cant we do it ourselves, well Ill tell you. Serpentis dosent care if we kill a few of there pilots. They will always send more.
Serpentis sends thousands of its seemingly endless supply of smugglers and mercenaries to our home system. They get our young people addicted to every narcotic they can conjure. Our cities our flooded with all types of murderers and drug runners. Yet you ask for the Intaki Capsuleers to take the responsability. I ask why dosent the Federation take responsability for its supposed equal citizens, Why dosent the Federation seem to care about its beloved Intaki populous.
We have bore the brunt of Federation Indeciveness for too long. We have watched the Federation usurp our culture and way of life. We have no more patience with the Federation. We grow tired of ther Kleptocracy. We dont want any more of concords propaganda. We dont want to be dragged into wars with the Caldari and the Amarr and whomever they decide to invade or attack for arbitrary reason that have never and will never effect the Intaki people.
We want our homelands back! We want to go our seperate ways and make our own destiny. We want simply what the Gallente have. We want simply what has been robbed from us. I do imagine the life on Intaki was much better than this before the Gallentes invaded and made us a federation subclass.
Time and Time again you say we should be in the Federation. Why? Time and Time again you say we were nothing before the federation. How so? We are Intaki. We are not gallente nor have our people ever benefitted from federation rule. Unless you consider mind numbing quafe and propaganda in the form of Holoreel movies.
This is a movement of many fronts indeed we want a placid region for Intaki kind yet we must also work within the Federation to acomplish this. I condone no violence against the Federation. These are my goals I will acomplish them. You can not interfere for we are growing and soon will make a mark on society and one day the Intaki Flag will fly high above every City on Intaki and we will finally be free.
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Tarsha Listur
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Posted - 2005.09.28 11:03:00 -
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Some interesting points are being raised here. As tired as i am reminding everyone i am not gallente but intaki, I care deeply for the federation. Yes the war with the caldari was a stupid mistake created by the fascists in our goverment. In these dark times we need not more seperation, but more cooperation. I for one am assigned to caldari space to help maintain the fragile peace between our peoples.
I am a proud Intaki who is a member of the Gallente federation by choice, its not perfect but its home.
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Mather Maelstrom
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Posted - 2005.09.28 16:40:00 -
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Steiner please indeed ignore the fact that much of the power the Caldari, Intaki and Mannar got was gained from being a part of the federation.
I like to see the things that are gained and the good within the federation. Sure there are problems, but please deny that there aren't any problems within other societies. In think we wonÆt solve our problems by waging war on Gallenteans I hardly see any gains for our home world or people from that.
By any measures the Intaki are more like Gallente then like a militant Deteis.
humanists that excelled as deft negotiators and clever businessmen, fitting perfectly into the Gallentean way of life
Tough there are Intaki that sympathized with the Caldari during the break up they were not the majority of the peoples voice. I prefer the ways of the federation then the ways of the Caldari State.
You all make it sounds like the Gallenteans rule us like Amarr do their slaves while there is a clear democratic system that has all Federation races represented.
The Intakis, initially overwhelmed, adapted quickly and within a century they had seasoned space travelers and active members of the Gallente governing body.
If you wish to follow the ôIntakiö way then join those brutes that form the Intaki Syndicate.
Has anyone here tought there might be Gallenteans that are willing to help the Intaki to secure their home world?
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