ok I can see what your saying however, I need to point out one thing for you, using that mouse over to get a idea of price range is a bad idea since every region is different and its best to work it out from the markets selling cost if you don't want to refine it and sell the minerals yourself later when your skills are good for refining.

The point is, the amount of volume per unit of ore is huge with the nullsec stuff. So you check the prices at market and think your getting rich. But that doesn't factor in volume per unit of ore. When you factor that volume in, you aren't making jack crap.

It would also help if the main source of ores in 0.0 (mining anomalies) didn't have a lower per-m^3 ore value than hi-sec belts.

Add low-end minerals to Spodumain, several problems mitigated at once.

It would also help if the main source of ores in 0.0 (mining anomalies) didn't have a lower per-m^3 ore value than hi-sec belts.

Add low-end minerals to Spodumain, several problems mitigated at once.

This is the usual problem of risk vs reward. The problem is not that specifically nullsec ores are not worth it, but that mining in nullsec as a whole is not worth it, unless you are in a coalition with extremely powerful intel and security (and that makes mining almost as safe as in highsec, except the fact that you can AFK in highsec while you can't do it in null).

In my opinion the biggest problem regarding mining and the balance highsec/nullsec is the total lack of sense in mining low end ores in 0.0 thanks to mineral compression. Mineral compression should be removed in favour of a mechanic that allows people to mine safely lowend ores in 0.0 (safely almost as in highsec, I mean). I don't care if I can mine in nullsec with the same level of income but the same level of safety as highsec.

It would make sense that the risk you have were bound to the activity you are doing (and therefore to your income) and not only to the security level of space you are in. The whole idea of PVPers protecting miners is nice in theory but unfortunately impractical in reality.
There is a lot of low-isk-per-hour stuff that could be done locally in 0.0 but it's "delocalized" in highsec because it is less risky there, all for the sake of the false assumption "0.0 must be dangerous for everybody everywhere".

Yup. Rebalance spodumain to have a decent return for the refinable volume. I would add 200 zydrine and 300 nocxium myself and simultaneously rebalance nocxium by replacing the 11 nocx per refine batch in Pyrox with about 500 pyerite.

But let's see what the EVE Economy sessions today and Resource Rebalancing session tomorrow have in store for us.

No. Apparently, people mine mercoxit well enough to devalue it.

Althought its also found in WH and else where, people in null sec seem to make more than enough of it to sell it to hi-sec to make it less profitable than mining hi-sec ores.

I suppose if you got everyone outside of hi-sec to stop mining it, then the price would go back up, but I doubt you would ever get that to happen.

ABC ores aren't as profitable because null sec has become so safe. It's simply in high supply at the moment. Bring back conflict and profits will go up.

I don't think that bringing trit/pyer/etc to null sec is a good idea. It would flat out make null sec better for mining in all respects and it would reduce high sec mining to horrible levels of revenue. Given the large amount of players that actively engage in mining as one of the few available high sec social activities, this would be a bad move. Social activities are entertaining and keep people playing. If folks start making half as much ISK during those activities, then they will look for alternatives -- solo missions. For most people, solo play would quickly end in an unsubscribed account.

Reducing the m3 of the ABC ores is also against design philosophy of null sec and would simply lower its price even further. High end materials require jump freighters instead of Itty Vs to be profitable, giving a purpose to these expensive ships, as well as forcing group activity for logistical purposes. This would also simply increase the supply, which would drive the price even lower. Given that the high end ores probably (not an industrialist) make up a tiny amount of the material associated with ships, you might even end up with an oversupply, meaning less revenue per hour.

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ABC ores aren't as profitable because null sec has become so safe. It's simply in high supply at the moment. Bring back conflict and profits will go up.

Given the large amount of players that actively engage in mining as one of the few available high sec social activities, this would be a bad move.

ABC ores aren't as profitable because null sec has become so safe. It's simply in high supply at the moment. Bring back conflict and profits will go up.

ABC ores aren't as profitable because null sec has become so safe. It's simply in high supply at the moment. Bring back conflict and profits will go up.

I don't know what you folks see, and would be interested in hearing it. But I can tell you that I haven't seen a single miner, or mining operation, in my area since moving to nullsec. Not even a single lone miner.

Anyone know why the volume per unit is so huge for these nullsec ores?

turns out most bots are miners, who would have guessed (everyone)

I'm probably totally off, since I don't do industry, but I thought the major advantage of "null ores" was that once refined, the minerals were worth way more per m3, making transport easier and more profitable.

yeah they're worth more isk/m3 when refined, but you don't mine refined minerals. so that isk/m3 ratio is completely irrelevant, really.

Irrelevant to the miner, yes. But not the guy moving his minerals to Jita to sell.

also it's just irrelevant to any one, the hauler is only interested in the total value and the total m3, not the ratio of isk to m3.

That's the same thing...

no, nullsec ores not being worth it is the problem. look at spod and gneiss.

it makes perfect sense to mine low end ores in 0.0, because they're still worth more than spod and gneiss. the issue is that veld, pyrox, and plagi simply do not exist in large grav sites. there isn't any to mine, even if you want to.

i honestly don't think you grasp the nature of the problem.

You're right, a hauler is much better off making 30 jumps with an Itty full of Trit than an Itty full of Megacyte...