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Isonkon Serikain	Posted - 2005.09.26 20:53:00 - [31] Yeah, right now you can't find a zealot for more than 120 million... I'm glad I bought mine a long time ago. But now I don't want to use it, I can't afford to replace that thing. And I thought 80 million was a high price for a tech2 cruiser... At these prices, I'm just gonna fly a battlecruiser.
Khatred	Posted - 2005.09.26 21:07:00 - [32] If I could take the decisions, I'd go like that: 1. Either very slightly boost Sacrilege and Eagle and slightly boost Cerberus OR nerf a bit Zealot/Deimos/Ishtar/Vagabond. Muninn is fine as it is. The main ideea is to spread the demand as even as possible between HACs 2. Bring on the T2 battlecruiser as a mix of gang bonus abilities and assault ship abilities in order to take some of the pressure of the HAC market. 3. If the trend continues despite this, add 4-6 more bpos for each HAC. ________________________________________________ The narrow minded and selfish people posting on EO forums made me bitter
Mr Bigglesworth	Posted - 2005.09.26 21:33:00 - [33] I bought a zealot in (or near to) Amarr 5 days ago - granted it was overpriced (120mill iirc) - but at the time i remember checking the market and seeing 11, yes 11 zealots, on sale. All were overpriced, but they are there.. so they are obtainable if your willing to pay the isk. Search around for your items people! Not everything is available in Jita, infact i find the market is generally dearer there than in Rens or Amarr.
JoKane	Posted - 2005.09.26 21:39:00 - [34] When I bought my overpriced ishtar (102mill) yesterday I only loged on 2 alts and checked the regions they were in and I foun 4 on sale. I bet there was alot more of them in other regions as well. Sure I could have put myself on some stupid waitinglist and get it for 70mill instead, but I dont see any reason to wait x months to save 30mill, thats peanut money anyways. There is alot of tech2 ships out there if you just are willing to pay.
Mr Bigglesworth	Posted - 2005.09.26 21:41:00 - [35] Edited by: Mr Bigglesworth on 26/09/2005 21:42:57 You'd be surprised how silly and impatient people can be. I sold a deimos in niyabainen via trade channel for 150mill, and on the way to make the trade i noticed one on sale for 105mill.. - And just incase you thought i was buying and selling at a higher price - i wasnt. The deimos belonged to my alt who couldnt get into the system due to bad Sec status, so i simply sold it and bought an ishtar (and if i remember correctly there were 2 on sale in nonni for about 115mill) Anyway the point is, just search around a little and have some patience, you are bound to find what you need eventually
Ginger Magician	Posted - 2005.09.26 21:49:00 - [36] Sold a zealot with my manufacturing alt recently for 150mill i bought the bpc to make it for about 75mill so even allowing for production costs it was one of the most profitable ships i ever made.the cost of manufacture is more than 17mill btw. But the market is imbalanced as someone said -most tech 1 ships r sold below production cost and its very hard to find tech 2 bpc even if u have the skill to make them
Porro	Posted - 2005.09.26 22:19:00 - [37] Its not the finding them thats the hard part, its the silly prices being driven up by a few things, demand outstripping supply and people joining manufacturer waiting lists and reselling on market for an increased price. 140m for a Zealot is just absurd.
Captin Biltmore	Posted - 2005.09.26 23:23:00 - [38] I like them being a very rare ship. When in fleet combat I look for hac's first (ishtars and zelots especially). Hitting a hac is probably 2x more effective in hurting your enemy than taking a T2 fitted BS for the simple fact they are harder to replace (not isk wise, but time wise). Keep em rare... Assasin For Hire - Contact in game
Isonkon Serikain	Posted - 2005.09.27 00:04:00 - [39] Khatred, may I contact you in game? I have a proposal I'd like to run by you, sir...
Minuz1	Posted - 2005.09.27 00:23:00 - [40] The cost of building a t2 assault crusier is about 35-45M isk. T3 will proabably be dependant on T2 ships like T2 are dependant on T1. So you'll probabably need to buy a zealot to get a T3 Omen. It takes about 36 hours without researching the BPO to build 1 pcs. And about 30% longer to get 1 BPC run. The quantity of BPO's is fine, but some of them are just junk compared to others. Fix that and the price of them will lower. -New sig comming soonÖ - Iacon

Khatred	Posted - 2005.09.27 01:24:00 - [41] Isonkon: if you want to contact me about any way of acquiring a T2 HAC but the market in Pator, you'll face a brick wall If you just need some info, sure. ________________________________________________ The narrow minded and selfish people posting on EO forums made me bitter
Toshiro Khan	Posted - 2005.09.27 01:47:00 - [42] Originally by: Dimitri Forgroth Wow, your builder friend has a problem getting parts. Of course, this must be true for all corporations such as BIG or NAGA who are obviously have a short supply of components seeing as they sell so few tech 2 items. Welcome to the fact that the big BPO's will inevitably fall into the hands of people able to make the most of them. Doubling the number of BPO's will double the number being produced, but i doubt it will half the margins. More money, more ships. Everyone happy. WOW i guess you failed to read the post or lack the understand that corps like NAGA and BIG are not small time builders.. so please learn to read before making an idiot of yourself. Originally by: Bruchpilot Yes if I'd be an industrialist I woulnd't make use of the second t2 BPO I just bought very cheap. I'd throw it away so I am still able to build 1 Hac/36h and keep the waitinglists and prices high and probably earn 30% less money. Well, if you had the full backing of a pos and so on like the more established building corps then yes, another BPO is great. Hell, the waiting lists dropping at NAGA would be a gods end. Originally by: DarkStar251 And pos owners are having huge problems with oversaturation of the markets with their complex reactions, and alot of the time selling at or below cost just to shift stuff. So how can it be that there are not enough components? Since i don't know the ins and outs of T2 ship building, and rely on the information from others who are into the whole T2 building area i can't comment on that.. But it seems that some parts are in abundance but aparently some parts are a lot hard to come by.. if the market was so flooded, then it would have started to reflect in the prices of ships. But i also understand that the build times on the HAC have a lot to do with the waiting times. So bringing out extra BPO's could be a double edged sword.. it may increase the amount of HACs for sale.. and possibly drag the prices down.. or it could turn the other way and drive the prices up as corps that have trouble getting key parts fight over them.. which in turn will drive the parts prices up and so on. But when its all said and done, i like everyone else would like to see HACs become more availible at cheaper prices..
WhiteTiger	Posted - 2005.09.27 02:15:00 - [43] Parts availablity isn't an issue at the prices HACs are currently going for. There are now several suppliers that will even deliver the parts to you. This is would only be a problem with a builder that has DIY syndrome won't buy stuff from other players. In my opinion the current shortage is a combination of factors. Many people are now just getting the skills to fly these ships. Furthermore these are currently the newest/coolest of the elite ships currently out. When interceptors came out they where in short supply for a considerable amount of time, now they aren't that hard to get. The missile nerf also help make HACs more popular since they don't insta-die to a torp spamming raven now. Really I don't want to see more HAC bpos until after elite destroyers, battlecruisers and battleships are released. However they could hurry on these new elite ships.
Feta Solamnia	Posted - 2005.09.27 08:14:00 - [44] hmmm... If this is true, I wouldn't be surprised if the popular HACs soon cost 200m. Originally by: Oveur I have access to all market data. Believe me, we have not reached anything close to deflation yet.
Balazs Simon	Posted - 2005.09.27 08:40:00 - [45] "can't get HAC".. hmm me wonders, and open up the escrow... start counting aviable hacs.. 1 .. 2 .. 3... Oh .. I go and check the SELL order forum.. HAC on auction 1 ... 2 ... 3... Do not whine, if oyu want to fly a HAC pay he price.. and yepp the will cost 200mill soon, because they are popular and rara, and ppl buy them for that price. If you can't afford it, you are not a HAC pilot... every bastard can train the skill, it just need time.. but not everyone is succesful enough to have the ISK to purchase them.. - This post is my personal opinion. It does not represent the standpoint of the HUN Corporation or that of the Imperium Alliance in any way. -
Zark Brassen	Posted - 2005.09.27 09:11:00 - [46] Try to put out an order on the market - e.g. NAGA has a 80 day waiting list for vagabonds - I put out a normal buy order and 2 days later there was brand new Vagabond in my hangar - ok I paid 25 million more than NAGA prices, but then I was prepared to do that to jump the queue. There should be at least 20 of each BPO out there and the big tech II's probably only have about half of them.
TheJay	Posted - 2005.09.27 09:52:00 - [47] I've been going to empire and buying Sacrilege's for 68 - 70mil, and theres always some available. Try out the HAC's that nobody likes and maybe you'll have some fun
Joerd Toastius	Posted - 2005.09.27 10:31:00 - [48] Firstly anyone who complains about them being "overpriced" and then turns around and buys one is just perpetuating the current market conditions. Market value for a commodity is what people will pay for it; if you can sell your Zealots for 200m and still shift every single one of them, then why not? The higher the prices go, the shorter the waiting list will be, after all Secondly, from a PvP POV I think it's actually quite nice that they're so damn rare - if you have a bunch of HACs trolling around that's a really serious problem, but if you manage to kill them all they won't be back for a while. Achievement++
Aibee	Posted - 2005.09.27 10:46:00 - [49] why not make the building time faster instead of 36hours (I think its something like that) and change to 20 hours... and 1 or 2 more bpos would be nice
Fredbob	Posted - 2005.09.27 11:43:00 - [50] I was going to jump on a queue for a Vagabond, but I created a minnie alt and checked the markets in Pator/Rens etc, lo-and-behold, four of them on the market, I bought the cheapest at 78mil, and flew it home that evening a happy man . Sure it might cost you 20m/30m more, but new ships are fun , and in the queue time you can make waay more than the extra you shelled out to have fun instantly . I think the number of BPOs is maybe a lil short in the ever-expanding playerbase, however lowering the build/copy time would be much more helpful then throwing out another 8 BPOs on the lottry imo ___________ ~Fredbob~

Neon Genesis	Posted - 2005.09.27 12:11:00 - [51] How about spend 10m extra and dont wait 6 months? people need to be less lazy about this. There, i just contributed nothing to your thread
Arti K	Posted - 2005.09.27 16:17:00 - [52] This is just like the gas shortage in the 70's, if they'd just let the price go to what people are willing to pay, the lines will dissapear. Right now some of the bigger corporations are holding price ceilings which are creating dead weight loss, and creating a shortage between supply and demand, which isn't good for anybody. Take your econ classes!
WhiteTiger	Posted - 2005.09.27 18:46:00 - [53] Just to add another reason why the prices is going up. Head over to the missions forums where HACs are now being advertised as the new raven post missile patch. Get enough people to claim they make more isk/hr doing missions in a HAC than a battleship and guess what happens to demand as all the mission runners rush to get in line for a HAC.
Malken	Posted - 2005.09.27 19:50:00 - [54] Originally by: WhiteTiger Just to add another reason why the prices is going up. Head over to the missions forums where HACs are now being advertised as the new raven post missile patch. Get enough people to claim they make more isk/hr doing missions in a HAC than a battleship and guess what happens to demand as all the mission runners rush to get in line for a HAC. you still need good skills to fly a HAC nomatter what HAC it is. its not like the rave was a while back when a 2month old n00b could hop in one and make L4 missions solo.
Goberth Ludwig	Posted - 2005.09.27 21:21:00 - [55] HACs suck anyway :( - Gob (also known as Admiral Goberius)
Sky Hunter	Posted - 2005.09.27 21:47:00 - [56] Originally by: Khatred If I could take the decisions, I'd go like that: 1. Either very slightly boost Sacrilege and Eagle and slightly boost Cerberus OR nerf a bit Zealot/Deimos/Ishtar/Vagabond. Muninn is fine as it is. The main ideea is to spread the demand as even as possible between HACs 2. Bring on the T2 battlecruiser as a mix of gang bonus abilities and assault ship abilities in order to take some of the pressure of the HAC market. 3. If the trend continues despite this, add 4-6 more bpos for each HAC. nerf wont solve any problems, and only make new ones. HAC`s are perfectly balanced atm apart from maybe Cerberus wich need slight bonus change imo. Others HAC`s are balanced in what they supposed to do. Yes of course a Sacri cant gank ships, because its meant to be used for other purpose. -=-
Liet Traep	Posted - 2005.09.27 22:14:00 - [57] I think the build time and copy time for HACs is out of line. 36 hours to build one is what's hurting the market. And it takes even longer to copy them. There are builders who would love to build them at a reasonable price but when they put a fair price on them they can't keep them in stock. And it's not due to lack of minerals. They just can't make them fast enough to keep up with the demand. Lower the build time to 18 or 12 hours and lower the time to copy them to less than the time to build them and you'll see more of them hitting the market without CCP having to releases more BPO's which they're loathe to do for some reason.
madaluap	Posted - 2005.09.27 22:20:00 - [58] Edited by: madaluap on 27/09/2005 22:20:31 well people used to whine about the fact that there wasnt enough availability of labslots..so ccp increased that with 50% or so? well whine enough and there will come more hac pbo which will drop the price and makes me fly a deimos for 40-50 bought from the market. offcourse from a guy that builds 5 of them each day from 1 pbc..yay my dream (needs reduction in buildtime too). i think 100% of eve would be happy with it. the producers (more isk) and hac pilots who pay less and can replace there ships more easily.
Broken Wings	Posted - 2005.09.27 22:32:00 - [59] Another VERY big factor in wait time for HAC's is that a lot of people (you know who you are ) are putting in orders for vast numbers of HAC's, in places like NAGA and then selling them at double what they paid. I know that there are many people who support themselves solely on HAC ordering and reselling. As long as there is such a difference in the producer's price to what people are willing to pay on market....HAC's will be hard to get hold of in a reasonable amount of time as they will generally just go to the select groups that have the capital to invest in mass ordering.
Rendill	Posted - 2005.09.27 22:51:00 - [60] Probably reason there little DEV intereest in this issue is the new manufacturing blog that just went up. Looks like big changes ahead. CEO



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