EVE Search - HAC Availibility

All Channels

Ships and Modules

HAC Availibility

» Click here to find additional results for this topic using Google

Monitor this thread via RSS [?]

Pages: 1 2 3 :: [one page]
Author	Thread Statistics \| Show CCP posts - 0 post(s)
DarkStar251	Posted - 2005.09.26 17:56:00 - [1] Ok, I know and accept CCP dont want T2 to become a comoddity. I dont care that cap recharger 2s are 17m each despite a 100k build cost, or that most hacs are 80m or so for a 17m build cost etc. What I dont like is that there are SO few HAC BPOs that you simply cannot buy a zealot or an ishtar for love nor isk. Take Naga enterprises, a well known t2 producer, who currently have a *180* day waiting list for a zealot, and *154* day waiting list for an ishtar. This is just insane - thats 6 months!!!!! I realise Naga are among the cheaper t2 builders, but even so I have not been able to find a zealot on the market anywhere. I actually have one that I bought before it got to this stage, so its not so bad for me, but I have corpmates that can fly them now but just cant get hold of them. There NEED to be more BPOs released for such 'vaporware' ships. If they are so unobtainable CCP may as well take them out of the game entirely. (\_/) (O.o) (> <)
slothe	Posted - 2005.09.26 17:57:00 - [2] signed hopefully my research agent may be able to assist :)
Imran	Posted - 2005.09.26 17:58:00 - [3] I feel your pain, gettin my ishtar today...ordered it 4 months ago but theres like tons of posts like this one ;/.
DarkStar251	Posted - 2005.09.26 18:01:00 - [4] I realise its more than likely that nothing will happen, but at least complaining about it made me feel a bit better :P I wouldnt care if the damn things sold for 200m, as long as it was possible to actually buy one! (\_/) (O.o) (> <)
Toshiro Khan	Posted - 2005.09.26 18:03:00 - [5] Chatting to a build friend, about this and would extra BPO's make a difference.. he seemed to think if anything it would make things worse.. as some of the problems for the small time builders is getting the parts. So more bpo's would if anything drive the prices up, and still wouldn't add to the availibility of the ship.. if anything, the BPO's would end uup being sold and snatched up by the bigger builder corps.. so things would just remain the same.
Soulie	Posted - 2005.09.26 18:06:00 - [6] battleships are easy to find - but hard to afford make em cheaper to build/buy..! "What you do in life goes on in eternity"
Dimitri Forgroth	Posted - 2005.09.26 18:08:00 - [7] Edited by: Dimitri Forgroth on 26/09/2005 18:10:10 Originally by: Toshiro Khan Chatting to a build friend, about this and would extra BPO's make a difference.. he seemed to think if anything it would make things worse.. as some of the problems for the small time builders is getting the parts. So more bpo's would if anything drive the prices up, and still wouldn't add to the availibility of the ship.. if anything, the BPO's would end uup being sold and snatched up by the bigger builder corps.. so things would just remain the same. Wow, your builder friend has a problem getting parts. Of course, this must be true for all corporations such as BIG or NAGA who are obviously have a short supply of components seeing as they sell so few tech 2 items. Welcome to the fact that the big BPO's will inevitably fall into the hands of people able to make the most of them. Doubling the number of BPO's will double the number being produced, but i doubt it will half the margins. More money, more ships. Everyone happy. Originally by: DrunkenOne Ahhh yes the ECM Apoc, very deadly. Oh wait... wtf... DPS Sheet
DayVV4lkEr	Posted - 2005.09.26 18:09:00 - [8] i don't know where your problem is u can get Cerberus or Eagles whereever u want... Ok ok they suck ... That might be the reason why everyone wants the armarr, galentean or minmatar HACs. So my solution would be bring ALL HACs on one level and there won't be to less HACS
Imran	Posted - 2005.09.26 18:10:00 - [9] In the end its gonna be the same, more bpos = more people hording it, if you can get 80 mil for a ship why sell it at 59 mil?. Adding more bpos is not the problem, its the build time. 1 a day is just too long, reduce the production time to 3 a day or somthing. Its pretty clear from CCP that theyve released enough, just reduce the time it takes to build the damn thiings :/.
Bruchpilot	Posted - 2005.09.26 18:11:00 - [10] Originally by: Toshiro Khan Chatting to a build friend, about this and would extra BPO's make a difference.. he seemed to think if anything it would make things worse.. as some of the problems for the small time builders is getting the parts. So more bpo's would if anything drive the prices up, and still wouldn't add to the availibility of the ship.. if anything, the BPO's would end uup being sold and snatched up by the bigger builder corps.. so things would just remain the same. Yes if I'd be an industrialist I woulnd't make use of the second t2 BPO I just bought very cheap. I'd throw it away so I am still able to build 1 Hac/36h and keep the waitinglists and prices high and probably earn 30% less money.
HippoKing	Posted - 2005.09.26 18:11:00 - [11] Originally by: DayVV4lkEr i don't know where your problem is u can get Cerberus or Eagles whereever u want... Ok ok they suck ... That might be the reason why everyone wants the armarr, galentean or minmatar HACs. So my solution would be bring ALL HACs on one level and there won't be to less HACS no, there would just be a shortage of the ones there at atm, and then a shortage of calari ones as well once the backlog of currently unwanted ships clears -- This Zig. For great justice!
DarkStar251	Posted - 2005.09.26 18:12:00 - [12] Originally by: Toshiro Khan Chatting to a build friend, about this and would extra BPO's make a difference.. he seemed to think if anything it would make things worse.. as some of the problems for the small time builders is getting the parts. So more bpo's would if anything drive the prices up, and still wouldn't add to the availibility of the ship.. if anything, the BPO's would end uup being sold and snatched up by the bigger builder corps.. so things would just remain the same. And pos owners are having huge problems with oversaturation of the markets with their complex reactions, and alot of the time selling at or below cost just to shift stuff. So how can it be that there are not enough components? (\_/) (O.o) (> <)
Karash Amerius	Posted - 2005.09.26 18:15:00 - [13] Leave it the way it is... When T3 comes out, T2 will flood.
Dimitri Forgroth	Posted - 2005.09.26 18:16:00 - [14] Originally by: Karash Amerius Leave it the way it is... When T3 comes out, T2 will flood. I'd like to know, a) When T3 is coming in a proper allround form like T2 currently is (for most things), and b) how exactly the market will be "flooded" with a small number of blueprints only producing a ship every 1.5 DAYS. Originally by: DrunkenOne Ahhh yes the ECM Apoc, very deadly. Oh wait... wtf... DPS Sheet
Warlord2004	Posted - 2005.09.26 18:26:00 - [15] There's loads for sale around the amar system.. They cost 120mil but if you'd rather wait 4 - 6 months to save the same amount as you could make hunting NPC in a day I guess thats everyones choice. Personaly I want my zealot now!!!!
DayVV4lkEr	Posted - 2005.09.26 18:27:00 - [16] Originally by: HippoKing Originally by: DayVV4lkEr i don't know where your problem is u can get Cerberus or Eagles whereever u want... Ok ok they suck ... That might be the reason why everyone wants the armarr, galentean or minmatar HACs. So my solution would be bring ALL HACs on one level and there won't be to less HACS no, there would just be a shortage of the ones there at atm, and then a shortage of calari ones as well once the backlog of currently unwanted ships clears but that would lower the request for the other HACs
Bottled Brain	Posted - 2005.09.26 18:36:00 - [17] Originally by: Oveur Originally by: Dianabolic Howdy mr Dev, I was wondering, with the recent fluctuation in HAC prices, particularly, how many of these BPO's are actually being used / built or copied from and how many are in circulation? Thanks in advance :) 20 of each as with all ships, all out it seems. Not many copies around, most seem to be in manufacturing. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=229010&page=1
Joerd Toastius	Posted - 2005.09.26 18:42:00 - [18] Originally by: Dimitri Forgroth a) When T3 is coming in a proper allround form like T2 currently is (for most things) After Named T2?
Aureus	Posted - 2005.09.26 18:44:00 - [19] IMO having BPO's released to a few select people is silly. Everything would have been fine if the BPOs were just released to the market like all the T1 BPs... no ridiculous price gouging, no availability problems, no complaining about the lottery...
Joshua Foiritain	Posted - 2005.09.26 18:51:00 - [20] Originally by: Imran In the end its gonna be the same, more bpos = more people hording it, if you can get 80 mil for a ship why sell it at 59 mil?. Adding more bpos is not the problem, its the build time. 1 a day is just too long, reduce the production time to 3 a day or somthing. Its pretty clear from CCP that theyve released enough, just reduce the time it takes to build the damn thiings :/. More BPOs = More factories running = more hac. Who cares about the price, its fine and wont change when more bpos come out. Big Corps with hac BPOs arent slowing down the production to create a waiting list so they can charge high prices, theyve got a waiting list because all their hac bpos are already in the factories 24/7. More hac BPOs would also mean greater demand for POS/moon minerals, which isnt a bad thing either. Originally by: Aureus IMO having BPO's released to a few select people is silly. Everything would have been fine if the BPOs were just released to the market like all the T1 BPs... no ridiculous price gouging, no availability problems, no complaining about the lottery... Rofl no... ------------------ [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Aureus	Posted - 2005.09.26 19:01:00 - [21] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Originally by: Aureus IMO having BPO's released to a few select people is silly. Everything would have been fine if the BPOs were just released to the market like all the T1 BPs... no ridiculous price gouging, no availability problems, no complaining about the lottery... Rofl no... well ... why not ?
Malken	Posted - 2005.09.26 19:09:00 - [22] the biggest stumbling block i think is the fact that it takes longer to make a 1run copy then it is to make a ship. if the copying time went down to 50%-70% of the build time the BPO owners could benefit from using the lab slots and copy the BPO's to increase the production. couple that with releasing a appropriate amount of BPO's matching the population on the server. from what i understand CCP dropped 8 BPO's of new stuff when there was a max population of 3000 ppl on the server, we are now up to 16000 and still only 8 BPO's
franny	Posted - 2005.09.26 19:10:00 - [23] you do know there are other HAC suppliers than NAGA, right? I know I am gonna hate myself for admitting this but from eve-mail 1 to delivery, less than 2 weeks for a PAIR of Ishtars(at less than 80m) I can't even fly the bloody things yet, because I was going on the 'it will be 2-3 months minimum' logic
Ithildin	Posted - 2005.09.26 19:11:00 - [24] Originally by: Aureus Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Originally by: Aureus IMO having BPO's released to a few select people is silly. Everything would have been fine if the BPOs were just released to the market like all the T1 BPs... no ridiculous price gouging, no availability problems, no complaining about the lottery... Rofl no... well ... why not ? Think. People play in different time zones. T2 would have become common. Profits on ownig a BPO would have been extremely low, just as it is for T1 (did you know that the going price on HACs nets more than 100% profit compared to production price?). Also, availability isn't a problem as such. It's an intention. The devs have accomplished what they intended, only the people who did the reasearch thingy feels shafted cause their research area just went cold (me and my two level 4s in Plasma Physics...). -- Give Stealth Bombers an anti-battleship role! Give them torpedoes instead of cruise missiles!
Aureus	Posted - 2005.09.26 19:27:00 - [25] Originally by: Ithildin Originally by: Aureus Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Originally by: Aureus IMO having BPO's released to a few select people is silly. Everything would have been fine if the BPOs were just released to the market like all the T1 BPs... no ridiculous price gouging, no availability problems, no complaining about the lottery... Rofl no... well ... why not ? Think. People play in different time zones. T2 would have become common. Profits on ownig a BPO would have been extremely low, just as it is for T1 (did you know that the going price on HACs nets more than 100% profit compared to production price?). Also, availability isn't a problem as such. It's an intention. The devs have accomplished what they intended, only the people who did the reasearch thingy feels shafted cause their research area just went cold (me and my two level 4s in Plasma Physics...). Actually, profits with T1 products are still very high. I'm calculating 15% with many ships, up to 80% profits with some ammo types. 15% profit is huge unless you're spoiled by the unrealistically insane profits most T2 producers enjoy...
Angry Sheep	Posted - 2005.09.26 19:51:00 - [26] Im a independant zealot producer and I always put them up to market in the tash region, every 32 hours! Normally stay up for about 6 hours before they go - so keep an eye out It's a Dog eat Dog World out there and I'm wearing Milky Bone underwear
Bedrock	Posted - 2005.09.26 19:51:00 - [27] Edited by: Bedrock on 26/09/2005 19:52:17 /signed, However, I doubt you'll get a response in this matter. Its amazing to me how something that has a huge impact in economy can be ignored to the public. Its like the devs have these secrets alts controlling the market. anyways, a good topic, unfortunately the only response you'll probably be getting is the half-witted ones [Please support my 'AFK Indicator' idea!!]
Gort	Posted - 2005.09.26 19:56:00 - [28] Seems to me the supply of HACs is about right. It's an elite ship for the veteran player who is willing to spend the uninsurable isk for a high status product. Also, it is my belief that the manufacturing profit on T1 ships can be bettered by selling the minerals direct. Those builders who still build big T1 ships must do it for the love of building and selling. The market is flooded. There's profit in ammo and such but not T1 ships bigger than a frigate in my experience. Gort Makeup artist for the dead
Porro	Posted - 2005.09.26 20:00:00 - [29] The hac market atm is overwhelmed, 60-70m for one is fine but a 140m is just silly. More bpos need to be seeded or the build time decreased imo.
hylleX	Posted - 2005.09.26 20:45:00 - [30] Im just wondering if CCP thought of the player base increasing AND getting more sp -> more can fly hacs. 20 bpos maybe was fine 6months ago or whatever, but obviously its not enough. 20 bpos means at most 7 of each hac can be produced a day? I wonder how many get blown up every day... And people stating that T2 should be rare, how come the majority of T2 items such as damage mods, frigs and weapons are not? is there to many bpos for those things? /signed signed and signed Well kids you've tried your best and failed miserably, the lesson is: never try
Isonkon Serikain	Posted - 2005.09.26 20:53:00 - [31] Yeah, right now you can't find a zealot for more than 120 million... I'm glad I bought mine a long time ago. But now I don't want to use it, I can't afford to replace that thing. And I thought 80 million was a high price for a tech2 cruiser... At these prices, I'm just gonna fly a battlecruiser.
Khatred	Posted - 2005.09.26 21:07:00 - [32] If I could take the decisions, I'd go like that: 1. Either very slightly boost Sacrilege and Eagle and slightly boost Cerberus OR nerf a bit Zealot/Deimos/Ishtar/Vagabond. Muninn is fine as it is. The main ideea is to spread the demand as even as possible between HACs 2. Bring on the T2 battlecruiser as a mix of gang bonus abilities and assault ship abilities in order to take some of the pressure of the HAC market. 3. If the trend continues despite this, add 4-6 more bpos for each HAC. ________________________________________________ The narrow minded and selfish people posting on EO forums made me bitter
Mr Bigglesworth	Posted - 2005.09.26 21:33:00 - [33] I bought a zealot in (or near to) Amarr 5 days ago - granted it was overpriced (120mill iirc) - but at the time i remember checking the market and seeing 11, yes 11 zealots, on sale. All were overpriced, but they are there.. so they are obtainable if your willing to pay the isk. Search around for your items people! Not everything is available in Jita, infact i find the market is generally dearer there than in Rens or Amarr.
JoKane	Posted - 2005.09.26 21:39:00 - [34] When I bought my overpriced ishtar (102mill) yesterday I only loged on 2 alts and checked the regions they were in and I foun 4 on sale. I bet there was alot more of them in other regions as well. Sure I could have put myself on some stupid waitinglist and get it for 70mill instead, but I dont see any reason to wait x months to save 30mill, thats peanut money anyways. There is alot of tech2 ships out there if you just are willing to pay.
Mr Bigglesworth	Posted - 2005.09.26 21:41:00 - [35] Edited by: Mr Bigglesworth on 26/09/2005 21:42:57 You'd be surprised how silly and impatient people can be. I sold a deimos in niyabainen via trade channel for 150mill, and on the way to make the trade i noticed one on sale for 105mill.. - And just incase you thought i was buying and selling at a higher price - i wasnt. The deimos belonged to my alt who couldnt get into the system due to bad Sec status, so i simply sold it and bought an ishtar (and if i remember correctly there were 2 on sale in nonni for about 115mill) Anyway the point is, just search around a little and have some patience, you are bound to find what you need eventually
Ginger Magician	Posted - 2005.09.26 21:49:00 - [36] Sold a zealot with my manufacturing alt recently for 150mill i bought the bpc to make it for about 75mill so even allowing for production costs it was one of the most profitable ships i ever made.the cost of manufacture is more than 17mill btw. But the market is imbalanced as someone said -most tech 1 ships r sold below production cost and its very hard to find tech 2 bpc even if u have the skill to make them
Porro	Posted - 2005.09.26 22:19:00 - [37] Its not the finding them thats the hard part, its the silly prices being driven up by a few things, demand outstripping supply and people joining manufacturer waiting lists and reselling on market for an increased price. 140m for a Zealot is just absurd.
Captin Biltmore	Posted - 2005.09.26 23:23:00 - [38] I like them being a very rare ship. When in fleet combat I look for hac's first (ishtars and zelots especially). Hitting a hac is probably 2x more effective in hurting your enemy than taking a T2 fitted BS for the simple fact they are harder to replace (not isk wise, but time wise). Keep em rare... Assasin For Hire - Contact in game
Isonkon Serikain	Posted - 2005.09.27 00:04:00 - [39] Khatred, may I contact you in game? I have a proposal I'd like to run by you, sir...
Minuz1	Posted - 2005.09.27 00:23:00 - [40] The cost of building a t2 assault crusier is about 35-45M isk. T3 will proabably be dependant on T2 ships like T2 are dependant on T1. So you'll probabably need to buy a zealot to get a T3 Omen. It takes about 36 hours without researching the BPO to build 1 pcs. And about 30% longer to get 1 BPC run. The quantity of BPO's is fine, but some of them are just junk compared to others. Fix that and the price of them will lower. -New sig comming soonÖ - Iacon
Khatred	Posted - 2005.09.27 01:24:00 - [41] Isonkon: if you want to contact me about any way of acquiring a T2 HAC but the market in Pator, you'll face a brick wall If you just need some info, sure. ________________________________________________ The narrow minded and selfish people posting on EO forums made me bitter
Toshiro Khan	Posted - 2005.09.27 01:47:00 - [42] Originally by: Dimitri Forgroth Wow, your builder friend has a problem getting parts. Of course, this must be true for all corporations such as BIG or NAGA who are obviously have a short supply of components seeing as they sell so few tech 2 items. Welcome to the fact that the big BPO's will inevitably fall into the hands of people able to make the most of them. Doubling the number of BPO's will double the number being produced, but i doubt it will half the margins. More money, more ships. Everyone happy. WOW i guess you failed to read the post or lack the understand that corps like NAGA and BIG are not small time builders.. so please learn to read before making an idiot of yourself. Originally by: Bruchpilot Yes if I'd be an industrialist I woulnd't make use of the second t2 BPO I just bought very cheap. I'd throw it away so I am still able to build 1 Hac/36h and keep the waitinglists and prices high and probably earn 30% less money. Well, if you had the full backing of a pos and so on like the more established building corps then yes, another BPO is great. Hell, the waiting lists dropping at NAGA would be a gods end. Originally by: DarkStar251 And pos owners are having huge problems with oversaturation of the markets with their complex reactions, and alot of the time selling at or below cost just to shift stuff. So how can it be that there are not enough components? Since i don't know the ins and outs of T2 ship building, and rely on the information from others who are into the whole T2 building area i can't comment on that.. But it seems that some parts are in abundance but aparently some parts are a lot hard to come by.. if the market was so flooded, then it would have started to reflect in the prices of ships. But i also understand that the build times on the HAC have a lot to do with the waiting times. So bringing out extra BPO's could be a double edged sword.. it may increase the amount of HACs for sale.. and possibly drag the prices down.. or it could turn the other way and drive the prices up as corps that have trouble getting key parts fight over them.. which in turn will drive the parts prices up and so on. But when its all said and done, i like everyone else would like to see HACs become more availible at cheaper prices..
WhiteTiger	Posted - 2005.09.27 02:15:00 - [43] Parts availablity isn't an issue at the prices HACs are currently going for. There are now several suppliers that will even deliver the parts to you. This is would only be a problem with a builder that has DIY syndrome won't buy stuff from other players. In my opinion the current shortage is a combination of factors. Many people are now just getting the skills to fly these ships. Furthermore these are currently the newest/coolest of the elite ships currently out. When interceptors came out they where in short supply for a considerable amount of time, now they aren't that hard to get. The missile nerf also help make HACs more popular since they don't insta-die to a torp spamming raven now. Really I don't want to see more HAC bpos until after elite destroyers, battlecruisers and battleships are released. However they could hurry on these new elite ships.
Feta Solamnia	Posted - 2005.09.27 08:14:00 - [44] hmmm... If this is true, I wouldn't be surprised if the popular HACs soon cost 200m. Originally by: Oveur I have access to all market data. Believe me, we have not reached anything close to deflation yet.
Balazs Simon	Posted - 2005.09.27 08:40:00 - [45] "can't get HAC".. hmm me wonders, and open up the escrow... start counting aviable hacs.. 1 .. 2 .. 3... Oh .. I go and check the SELL order forum.. HAC on auction 1 ... 2 ... 3... Do not whine, if oyu want to fly a HAC pay he price.. and yepp the will cost 200mill soon, because they are popular and rara, and ppl buy them for that price. If you can't afford it, you are not a HAC pilot... every bastard can train the skill, it just need time.. but not everyone is succesful enough to have the ISK to purchase them.. - This post is my personal opinion. It does not represent the standpoint of the HUN Corporation or that of the Imperium Alliance in any way. -
Zark Brassen	Posted - 2005.09.27 09:11:00 - [46] Try to put out an order on the market - e.g. NAGA has a 80 day waiting list for vagabonds - I put out a normal buy order and 2 days later there was brand new Vagabond in my hangar - ok I paid 25 million more than NAGA prices, but then I was prepared to do that to jump the queue. There should be at least 20 of each BPO out there and the big tech II's probably only have about half of them.
TheJay	Posted - 2005.09.27 09:52:00 - [47] I've been going to empire and buying Sacrilege's for 68 - 70mil, and theres always some available. Try out the HAC's that nobody likes and maybe you'll have some fun
Joerd Toastius	Posted - 2005.09.27 10:31:00 - [48] Firstly anyone who complains about them being "overpriced" and then turns around and buys one is just perpetuating the current market conditions. Market value for a commodity is what people will pay for it; if you can sell your Zealots for 200m and still shift every single one of them, then why not? The higher the prices go, the shorter the waiting list will be, after all Secondly, from a PvP POV I think it's actually quite nice that they're so damn rare - if you have a bunch of HACs trolling around that's a really serious problem, but if you manage to kill them all they won't be back for a while. Achievement++
Aibee	Posted - 2005.09.27 10:46:00 - [49] why not make the building time faster instead of 36hours (I think its something like that) and change to 20 hours... and 1 or 2 more bpos would be nice
Fredbob	Posted - 2005.09.27 11:43:00 - [50] I was going to jump on a queue for a Vagabond, but I created a minnie alt and checked the markets in Pator/Rens etc, lo-and-behold, four of them on the market, I bought the cheapest at 78mil, and flew it home that evening a happy man . Sure it might cost you 20m/30m more, but new ships are fun , and in the queue time you can make waay more than the extra you shelled out to have fun instantly . I think the number of BPOs is maybe a lil short in the ever-expanding playerbase, however lowering the build/copy time would be much more helpful then throwing out another 8 BPOs on the lottry imo ___________ ~Fredbob~
Neon Genesis	Posted - 2005.09.27 12:11:00 - [51] How about spend 10m extra and dont wait 6 months? people need to be less lazy about this. There, i just contributed nothing to your thread
Arti K	Posted - 2005.09.27 16:17:00 - [52] This is just like the gas shortage in the 70's, if they'd just let the price go to what people are willing to pay, the lines will dissapear. Right now some of the bigger corporations are holding price ceilings which are creating dead weight loss, and creating a shortage between supply and demand, which isn't good for anybody. Take your econ classes!
WhiteTiger	Posted - 2005.09.27 18:46:00 - [53] Just to add another reason why the prices is going up. Head over to the missions forums where HACs are now being advertised as the new raven post missile patch. Get enough people to claim they make more isk/hr doing missions in a HAC than a battleship and guess what happens to demand as all the mission runners rush to get in line for a HAC.
Malken	Posted - 2005.09.27 19:50:00 - [54] Originally by: WhiteTiger Just to add another reason why the prices is going up. Head over to the missions forums where HACs are now being advertised as the new raven post missile patch. Get enough people to claim they make more isk/hr doing missions in a HAC than a battleship and guess what happens to demand as all the mission runners rush to get in line for a HAC. you still need good skills to fly a HAC nomatter what HAC it is. its not like the rave was a while back when a 2month old n00b could hop in one and make L4 missions solo.
Goberth Ludwig	Posted - 2005.09.27 21:21:00 - [55] HACs suck anyway :( - Gob (also known as Admiral Goberius)
Sky Hunter	Posted - 2005.09.27 21:47:00 - [56] Originally by: Khatred If I could take the decisions, I'd go like that: 1. Either very slightly boost Sacrilege and Eagle and slightly boost Cerberus OR nerf a bit Zealot/Deimos/Ishtar/Vagabond. Muninn is fine as it is. The main ideea is to spread the demand as even as possible between HACs 2. Bring on the T2 battlecruiser as a mix of gang bonus abilities and assault ship abilities in order to take some of the pressure of the HAC market. 3. If the trend continues despite this, add 4-6 more bpos for each HAC. nerf wont solve any problems, and only make new ones. HAC`s are perfectly balanced atm apart from maybe Cerberus wich need slight bonus change imo. Others HAC`s are balanced in what they supposed to do. Yes of course a Sacri cant gank ships, because its meant to be used for other purpose. -=-
Liet Traep	Posted - 2005.09.27 22:14:00 - [57] I think the build time and copy time for HACs is out of line. 36 hours to build one is what's hurting the market. And it takes even longer to copy them. There are builders who would love to build them at a reasonable price but when they put a fair price on them they can't keep them in stock. And it's not due to lack of minerals. They just can't make them fast enough to keep up with the demand. Lower the build time to 18 or 12 hours and lower the time to copy them to less than the time to build them and you'll see more of them hitting the market without CCP having to releases more BPO's which they're loathe to do for some reason.
madaluap	Posted - 2005.09.27 22:20:00 - [58] Edited by: madaluap on 27/09/2005 22:20:31 well people used to whine about the fact that there wasnt enough availability of labslots..so ccp increased that with 50% or so? well whine enough and there will come more hac pbo which will drop the price and makes me fly a deimos for 40-50 bought from the market. offcourse from a guy that builds 5 of them each day from 1 pbc..yay my dream (needs reduction in buildtime too). i think 100% of eve would be happy with it. the producers (more isk) and hac pilots who pay less and can replace there ships more easily.
Broken Wings	Posted - 2005.09.27 22:32:00 - [59] Another VERY big factor in wait time for HAC's is that a lot of people (you know who you are ) are putting in orders for vast numbers of HAC's, in places like NAGA and then selling them at double what they paid. I know that there are many people who support themselves solely on HAC ordering and reselling. As long as there is such a difference in the producer's price to what people are willing to pay on market....HAC's will be hard to get hold of in a reasonable amount of time as they will generally just go to the select groups that have the capital to invest in mass ordering.
Rendill	Posted - 2005.09.27 22:51:00 - [60] Probably reason there little DEV intereest in this issue is the new manufacturing blog that just went up. Looks like big changes ahead. CEO
Kyle Caldrel	Posted - 2005.09.28 01:46:00 - [61] Originally by: Khatred Isonkon: if you want to contact me about any way of acquiring a T2 HAC but the market in Pator, you'll face a brick wall If you just need some info, sure. Can you take me off the block list so i can convo you and tell you i <3 you. You never answer my evemails Khatred! Khatred?! NOES
Randay	Posted - 2005.09.28 06:43:00 - [62] It says on the drawing board somewhere that agents will release bpcs and stuff and they might make some kind of auction for every and any t2 bpo until everything evens out. I think the bpcs are a good idea but the auction might just screw things up. I wonder how they would find the sweet spot of t2 being just rare enough to not have price gouging going one or t2 being so common that they become worth less then they should be. ------------------------------------------- "Det hõr kan betyda krig!"
Ralitge boyter	Posted - 2005.09.28 10:21:00 - [63] HAC's are more used now as more people are beginning to see their usefulnes. Before there was only a limited set of people able to fly them now as more and more players are able to fly them they are more difficult to buy. The auction thing I hope it never makes it. It will only serve the big building corps. The big boys (and girls) will buy the BPO's and the small fish will be left with no access to the materials anyway. The new changes to the manufacturing setup planed for the next big patch it seems (or a bit after that)... will solve a lot with the building times being shorter due to specialized building facilities. I guess we will just have to be patient while the devs build that or be willing to sit around and wait a while for our ships or of course fork out a little extra buying them quickly.
Zembla	Posted - 2005.09.29 14:06:00 - [64] Well... As I see it... training to get to fly a HAC takes a lot of time. And as we well know, "time is money". If CCP is going to continue to release ships with high skill requirements that require people to train for nearly a whole month, then I think they should also up the availability of those ships. Sure, in a month's time you can also gather the money required to fly the ship... but what's the use of having the money and the skills to fly one if you just can't find any? Also, some people are taking advantage of the inavailability of HAC's. The surest, safest and cheapest way to lay hands on a HAC is to order one at a retailer. However, you can also get one from escrow or from the market for a much higher price. So, some people place an order, only to then later on sell it through the market or escrow for about double the price. This is ridiculous, but sadly enough part of the game. Bottom line: I don't mind spending 30 days training for a ship, I don't mind spending 85M on a ship that only costs 1/3rd of that to build, I do mind not being able to get one just because BPO's are so limited. I understand the motivations behind this lottery etc etc, but when you gotta pay to play a game, and spend one of the months you pay for just on training and gathering cash to then find out the ship you want isn't available, then I think there's still something not right about the game. <Z> Spread the Z
Gort	Posted - 2005.09.29 20:11:00 - [65] It's a fundamental mistake in EVE to think that you can work and scrimp and save to get the most desireable ship, and then all will be wine and roses. Pilots need for the most part to have ships they can replace without disasterous depression when they are lost. Because they will be lost. HACs don't last very long from what I have seen. They are so sweet the new pilots momentarily consider taking on a well piloted battleship. And that's usually a fatal delay. That's my experience. I've gone back to piloting the T1 version of the HAC I fly, until I get really, really good with that. Otherwise, the replacement costs soar. If you are HAC pilot material, you will have standing orders in all the usual places. You won't run out of ships; but the cost will also not be trivial. My 0.02 isk. Regards, Gort Makeup artist for the dead

Pages: 1 2 3 :: [one page]

COPYRIGHT NOTICE
EVE Online, the EVE logo, EVE and all associated logos and designs are the intellectual property of CCP hf. All artwork, screenshots, characters, vehicles, storylines, world facts or other recognizable features of the intellectual property relating to these trademarks are likewise the intellectual property of CCP hf. EVE Online and the EVE logo are the registered trademarks of CCP hf. All rights are reserved worldwide. All other trademarks are the property of their respective owners. CCP hf. has granted permission to EVE-Search.com to use EVE Online and all associated logos and designs for promotional and information purposes on its website but does not endorse, and is not in any way affiliated with, EVE-Search.com. CCP is in no way responsible for the content on or functioning of this website, nor can it be liable for any damage arising from the use of this website.