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Phaderift
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Posted - 2013.04.27 23:07:00 -
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Messoroz wrote:George Boothe wrote:Are you sure that the onboard scanner also indicated whether there are sigs and where they are? All i could see from the presentations was that it showed anoms. CCP stated that the grav site concept is being nixed entirely. Unless they keep gravs just for wspace.
was confirmed in the exploration round table grav sites are gone period. even in WH space. said if any group could adapt to this it would be us |
Phaderift
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Talocan United
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Posted - 2013.04.28 10:56:00 -
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Xen Solarus wrote:Chris Winter wrote:As someone who occasionally kills miners in w-space, I fully support this change and it will make the hunt easier, since they won't even know I'm coming until they're already pointed even if they're hitting dscan every few seconds.
As someone who occasionally mines in w-space, this change will turn me into someone who never mines in w-space. Sure, "use scouts" is fine and dandy for people in higher class WHs with large corps, but for solo/(very) small groups in the lower classes of wormholes, this may very well make mining too risky to be worth it. This pretty much sums it up to me. If you're in a large wormhole corp/alliance that already has to PvP regularly to defend your space, then nothing much has changed. For us small corps, wormhole mining is now dangerous to the extreme. I certainly won't be doing it after the changes! Like it was already mentioned, even Dscanning constantly and watching entrances isn't currently a certain way to stay safe. After these changes, its going to be ridiculously easy for pirates.
those who kill miners in W space are not pirates .. Also a point that you guys seem to be missing is the new discovery scanner will also show the sigs of non anoms. so you will get a general idea of what is there.. you will also be able to see new sigs with it. So if you kept a scout on your own static or kept your static closed you will see k162s as the appear and be able to just warp off and look at what might of happened. all these people who think this will change much for the competent miners in W space are kidding themselves, the only people who this will effect are the ones who were already dumb enough to get caught. I am really surprised the fact that u can now launch 7 probes at once has not caused more people to complain then this whole is now an anom thing .. cause were before if i bear was in a scan down site or safe they have about 10 seconds for me to drop 7 probes get them off dscan and recloak now its down to like 3 or less, so the window for you to see the cloaky hunter on dscan is now down to less then 1/3 of what it used to be. For the record i love the 7 probe change |
Phaderift
Sky Fighters
Talocan United
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Posted - 2013.04.28 14:06:00 -
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Gary Bell wrote:Hes dumb.. It does not show new sigs.. It has basically moved gravs into anom type sites and shows anoms.. you will still need to probe to see new sigs.. you will be able to see new grav sites and new anoms thats it..
Learn to read.. k thanks
it was shown in the keynotes and later shown at the exploration round table. Sig show up as orange and red on the discovery scanner :) another fun thing to note is how true sec will take effect .. WHs are all true sec -1 which will result in the 5% and 10% bonus asteroids spawning in the sites. So they kinda did increase the reward for the increased risk in Wh space. but yeah .. I'm dumb for you know listening and going to the round tables on these things |
Phaderift
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Talocan United
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Posted - 2013.05.02 23:01:00 -
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Azemar wrote:Liang Nuren wrote:My understanding of the new discovery scanner was that it was exactly equivalent to the anomaly scanner, potentially plus sites you'd already scanned down/found. I honestly don't see this being any kind of impedance to a WH miner because they'll just close their static + inbounds and keep an eye out for K162s...
-Liang As someone who is part of a mainly EU corp in a C4 (with a C2 static), we only have about 7 members. Most of the time I'm on, no one else is. I also don't have any alts. As a solo explorer who mines from time to time, this really kills me. What can I do? Nothing. They really can't let this go through. It kills the small-time explorer and actually aids the large organizations.
wait so as you are mining you can't keep an eye on your system/discovery scanner as you mine? Or you know you could always put a bubble at the grav site warp in and toss out a drone cloud in it to decloak things that wish to harm you and then mine away from it? or mine in a venture and use that utility high for a probe launcher? or move to a system that can be entirely on dscan from anywhere in system.. usually when people come off the hole they will show up on dscan for 5-10 seconds as the move off and cloak up, though you would have to be paying attention and semi lucky to catch them on dscan in this way .. or mashing it every couple seconds. Hmm what other things can be done to adapt to this? Fit ecm/ecm drones and maybe agility mods? the only thing that wont have a 4-7 second targeting delay is bombers or black ops ( but they can't warp cloaked ) and bombers are not known for having great sensor str .. jam them with a multispec or ecm drones as you align out then warp once it lands?
the only arguments i have heard are from people who are mad that they can't semi afk mine any more, or that there might be added defensive setup steps they need to take ... or that you might need to find people to play with in order to survive in the dangerous lands of WH/Nullsec/lowsec space. Honestly .. adapt or get podded? HTFU? figure it out, there are tools in the game that will allow you to keep doing what you are doing .... you just need to learn to use them. Hell if people spent half the time figuring out instead of complaining they would have nothing to complain about? |
Phaderift
Sky Fighters
Talocan United
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Posted - 2013.05.03 00:03:00 -
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actually, i do mine or atleast i used to. 4 perfect hulk pilots 1 hauling orca and 1 perfect boosting rorq/orca depending on where i am mining.. and TBH i never understood why anyone would mine in WH space .. you are either hauling constantly or refining at a greatly reduced rate. |
Phaderift
Sky Fighters
Talocan United
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Posted - 2013.05.03 16:33:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Phaderift wrote:actually, i do mine or atleast i used to. 4 perfect hulk pilots 1 hauling orca and 1 perfect boosting rorq/orca depending on where i am mining.. and TBH i never understood why anyone would mine in WH space .. you are either hauling constantly or refining at a greatly reduced rate. So you mine but not in WHs, then maybe you should take your own advice and bring your hulks and orca into a WH and mine after the changes come out, then tell people to HTFU. For those of us in small corporations and alliances, in C1-C4s, the change removed our style of play. Not that I can complain that much, by closing four of my accounts and selling of Ice and assets of those characters I am now plexed into 2017 and climbing 
nah the logistical nightmares of moving large amounts of M3 in ore around is what stopped me from mining in WH space .. even with a rorq compressing., though i might sneak my mining op back out to null with all that trit super cap production looks like it might be more viable now. I hated compressing. Also We spoke at fan fest in the exploration round table, at least if your the gent im thinking of. FLy safe :p |
Phaderift
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Talocan United
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Posted - 2013.05.05 18:41:00 -
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Bloody Wench wrote:When I do it with mine, I'm gone before the cloak has fully faded the ship.
even if you are gone and re cloaked before your ship ever actually appears you still linger on dscan server side for 5-10 seconds. so even if you instantly go from 1 cloak to another .. you still show up on dscan |
Phaderift
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Posted - 2013.05.07 23:06:00 -
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Wh's spawn when you initiate warp to them so if you never warp to the new static it won't make the hole so people from the outside world can't come in through it. |
Phaderift
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Talocan United
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Posted - 2013.05.08 17:37:00 -
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Derath Ellecon wrote:4runner wrote:Let me get one thing straight... In this expansion will probes and probe launchers become obsolete and replaced by this "Click to Win" scan button or will there be any more complexions for current veteran scanners ? Only for anom runners and would be miners.
anoms have always been click to win, though now thinking about it .. if you need on grid boosters shortly .. how will this effect mining with rorq boosts? there is no way people are going to siege up a rorq in the middle of a grav site if people dont need to scan it down. |
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