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Haulie Berry
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Posted - 2013.04.26 19:51:00 -
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Quote:We will also be making a significant change to the way hidden asteroid belts will be found by players. We are phasing out the Gravimetric signature category, and instead pilots will be able to find all Ore Sites using their shipGÇÖs built-in anomaly scanning equipment. This change will make finding hidden belts much less difficult for both miners and for those who would prey on them, so pilots are always advised to practice vigilance.
Now I can just roll up on WH miners without ever dropping cloak.  |
Tahna Rouspel
Risk-Averse
PLEASE NOT VIOLENCE OUR BOATS
94
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Posted - 2013.04.26 22:59:00 -
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It will be difficult to justify mining in wormholes. The new ore boost will make it more profitable, but the risk of dying will be too damn high. |
Alexander McKeon
Ekchuah's Shrine Comporium
Kill It With Fire
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Posted - 2013.04.26 23:01:00 -
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Mining in w-space will be suicide with the ore sites, it'll still be very risky in Null / LS unless you have a pvp fleet on permanent overwatch. |
Tahna Rouspel
Risk-Averse
PLEASE NOT VIOLENCE OUR BOATS
94
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Posted - 2013.04.26 23:10:00 -
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Alexander McKeon wrote:Mining in w-space will be suicide with the ore sites, it'll still be very risky in Null / LS unless you have a pvp fleet on permanent overwatch.
Actually, now that I think about it. I don't think the change will affect the organised group.
An organized group will collapse the static and any k162 and spreads some probes in system to detect any wormhole entry. For this king of group, mining in wormhole will be just as safe as before.
This will affect the small time miners in wormhole; people that do mining from time to time without preparation. These people will get killed far more often. |
Nathan Jameson
Talocan Dominion
Talocan United
1128
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Posted - 2013.04.27 00:35:00 -
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Tahna Rouspel wrote:the risk of dying will be too damn high.
There's a meme in here somewhere...
Also, the risk of dying hasn't stopped stupid miners before.
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Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings
Situation: Normal
1313
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Posted - 2013.04.27 00:43:00 -
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I don't see it being that much of a difference.
If miners are paying attention and use scouts they will be largely safe like always. If not, they will be combat scanned in one cycle.
Not to mention it can be tricky to warp directly to a grav and catch someone, as the belt is large. So you would still want to try and get a warpin.
WH mining sucks anyhow. Still will. |
Chris Winter
Zephyr Corp
V.A.S.T.
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Posted - 2013.04.27 00:58:00 -
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As someone who occasionally kills miners in w-space, I fully support this change and it will make the hunt easier, since they won't even know I'm coming until they're already pointed even if they're hitting dscan every few seconds.
As someone who occasionally mines in w-space, this change will turn me into someone who never mines in w-space. Sure, "use scouts" is fine and dandy for people in higher class WHs with large corps, but for solo/(very) small groups in the lower classes of wormholes, this may very well make mining too risky to be worth it. |
Frying Doom
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Posted - 2013.04.27 01:02:00 -
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Chris Winter wrote:As someone who occasionally kills miners in w-space, I fully support this change and it will make the hunt easier, since they won't even know I'm coming until they're already pointed even if they're hitting dscan every few seconds.
As someone who occasionally mines in w-space, this change will turn me into someone who never mines in w-space. Sure, "use scouts" is fine and dandy for people in higher class WHs with large corps, but for solo/(very) small groups in the lower classes of wormholes, this may very well make mining too risky to be worth it.
On the bright side, they have cured the problem of lack of empty lower class wormholes.
Higher cost of fuel + Higher mining risk = less people in C1-C4s
Any spelling and grammatical errors are because frankly, I don't care!! |
Nathan Jameson
Talocan Dominion
Talocan United
1130
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Posted - 2013.04.27 03:59:00 -
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Nathan Jameson wrote:There's a meme in here somewhere...
Found it!
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Jack Miton
Aperture Harmonics
K162
1709
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Posted - 2013.04.27 10:28:00 -
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this change was needed why exactly?
just more dumbing down of exploration... |
Freddie Merrcury
Obstergo
Polarized.
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Posted - 2013.04.27 10:32:00 -
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Jack Miton wrote:this change was needed why exactly?
just more dumbing down of exploration...
Probably just an unnecessary change for the sake of consistency.
As long as Sleepers still spawn at them, I could care less how they are found.
Not like I am going to rock grind. |
Scilent Enigma
Cosmology
Deadly Unknown
4
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Posted - 2013.04.27 11:05:00 -
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Seems like W-space will become the new lowsec with this change, the balance of risk/reward so absurdly skewed towards risk only idiots would ever think of mining there... Ah well. at least I can hunt idiots until this gets nerfed.. |
Urban Trucker
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.04.27 11:11:00 -
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Well what they should have done is not remove them all, especially from wormholes. Grav sites are fine in wormholes. Leave those. With the changes to probes, miner's will be scanned out in microseconds anyway.
I really do not agree with this. |
Xen Solarus
Inner 5phere
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Posted - 2013.04.27 17:54:00 -
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This will literally kill wormhole mining. Any decent pirate worth their salt will be able to appear on miners in grav sites long before they're aware they are there. It will just be too damn risky to mine!
Very disapointed. 
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Flash Phoenix
State War Academy
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.04.27 18:28:00 -
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What purpose does it serve making grav sites easy to find regardless of sec status of area your in ?
No work or skills to find them for any one, miner or PvP. This seems perfect for new toons with next to no skills regardless of mining or pvp. There is plenty of ore and miners to harvest in static belts while you learn to play the game,
Why does CCP keep lowering the skills to play the game and the risk or work vs reward ?
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Morwraith
Obstergo
Polarized.
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Posted - 2013.04.27 18:41:00 -
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Flash Phoenix wrote:
Why does CCP keep lowering the skills to play the game and the risk or work vs reward ?
This seems less aimed at reducing the skill needed and more about lowering the bar for new players to get involved in the game without waiting 3 months for a variety of skills to train so they can enjoy the game. I 100% agree that WH grav sites should have been left separate but I'm guessing that the coding required was more work than they wanted to do. In regards to security...well if people want to mine they'll just have to do what everyone does when they run sites - close all connections, don't spawn the statics, and keep out probes. Of course this doesn't help against people camping your system but that problem has always existed.
Overall this will make scanning down chains much faster although I'll admit I'm disappointed. When they talked about changes to exploration I'd hoped that it would include new and more exciting sites especially for people who took the time to train up a character specifically skilled for exploration however they seem to be aiming at getting new people involved in it as opposed to adding new content for older players. The changes to scanning skills and modules for example reduce training needed to get scanning skills at a usable level but don't seem to benefit characters that have invested a large amount of time in training. Guess we'll see. Thus far I'm not too excited although I'm hopeful with reservations about the upcoming changes.
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Indo Nira
DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD
Polarized.
58
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Posted - 2013.04.27 18:48:00 -
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I also see this as an attempt to make botting a bit harder, when and IF they remove belts and make them anoms |
Nox Arnoux
Aperture Harmonics
K162
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Posted - 2013.04.27 20:30:00 -
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You guys saw that the new onboard scanner allows you to see new sigs spawning in your system right?
You know what that implies? You don't even need an alt with a probe out to look for new wormholes anymore...
Also, have any of you tried to catch miners by warping directly into an asteroid belt? It's hideously difficult. All it takes is one giant misplaced rock in your path and you could end up blowing your cloak 70 km premature.
If anything, catching miners will be more difficult with odyssey. The miner has an easier time to look out for intruders, but the hunter still needs combat probes if they want a precise warp in to guarantee them the kill. If you still die mining in Odyssey then it'll be 190% your own damn fault. |
Aquila Sagitta
Risk-Averse
PLEASE NOT VIOLENCE OUR BOATS
9
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Posted - 2013.04.27 20:34:00 -
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Morwraith wrote:Flash Phoenix wrote:
Why does CCP keep lowering the skills to play the game and the risk or work vs reward ?
The changes to scanning skills and modules for example reduce training needed to get scanning skills at a usable level but don't seem to benefit characters that have invested a large amount of time in training. Guess we'll see. Thus far I'm not too excited although I'm hopeful with reservations about the upcoming changes.
I have a maxed out exploration character as well and I'm extremely excited about these changes! Scanning mods? Increase my already maxed out probe strength you say?! H***s YEAH!! The more people that don't find it worth maxing thier scan skills out the better because thats more people that I can outscan without really even trying :P
I don't see how you can say 10% boost to scan strength/speed/deviation mods won't benefit you with maxed skills... The only thing it will do is push the gap between maxed characters and 'good enough' characters. |
George Boothe
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.04.27 20:34:00 -
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Are you sure that the onboard scanner also indicated whether there are sigs and where they are? All i could see from the presentations was that it showed anoms. |
Messoroz
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
360
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Posted - 2013.04.27 22:17:00 -
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George Boothe wrote:Are you sure that the onboard scanner also indicated whether there are sigs and where they are? All i could see from the presentations was that it showed anoms.
CCP stated that the grav site concept is being nixed entirely. Unless they keep gravs just for wspace. |
Phaderift
Sky Fighters
Talocan United
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Posted - 2013.04.27 23:07:00 -
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Messoroz wrote:George Boothe wrote:Are you sure that the onboard scanner also indicated whether there are sigs and where they are? All i could see from the presentations was that it showed anoms. CCP stated that the grav site concept is being nixed entirely. Unless they keep gravs just for wspace.
was confirmed in the exploration round table grav sites are gone period. even in WH space. said if any group could adapt to this it would be us |
Frying Doom
2414
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Posted - 2013.04.27 23:23:00 -
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Phaderift wrote:Messoroz wrote:George Boothe wrote:Are you sure that the onboard scanner also indicated whether there are sigs and where they are? All i could see from the presentations was that it showed anoms. CCP stated that the grav site concept is being nixed entirely. Unless they keep gravs just for wspace. was confirmed in the exploration round table grav sites are gone period. even in WH space. said if any group could adapt to this it would be us
I am choosing to adapt by getting the **** out.
Any spelling and grammatical errors are because frankly, I don't care!! |
Angsty Teenager
Derpotle
151
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Posted - 2013.04.28 00:30:00 -
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Why so much whining?
You can't handle having one deep space probe out watching for new sigs while you mine? At least you can just warp off in a hulk or w/e. Can't do that in a combat site.... |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings
Situation: Normal
1327
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Posted - 2013.04.28 01:01:00 -
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Angsty Teenager wrote:Why so much whining?
You can't handle having one deep space probe out watching for new sigs while you mine? At least you can just warp off in a hulk or w/e. Can't do that in a combat site....
Are there really that many WH miners? |
Frying Doom
2414
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Posted - 2013.04.28 01:21:00 -
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Angsty Teenager wrote:Why so much whining?
You can't handle having one deep space probe out watching for new sigs while you mine? At least you can just warp off in a hulk or w/e. Can't do that in a combat site....
Yes I could do that, but if anyone in my WH opens the static, Im stuffed.
What about people in the C2 I was in yesterday, they had 4 k162s.
The risk does not equal the reward from mining, and C1-C4s do not have enough to support many people without mining.
Anyway I realized that if I go back to 1 account, I have enough isk that I don't need to pay for my account for years.
Any spelling and grammatical errors are because frankly, I don't care!! |
Angsty Teenager
Derpotle
151
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Posted - 2013.04.28 01:48:00 -
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Derath Ellecon wrote:
Are there really that many WH miners?
No idea.
Frying Doom wrote:Yes I could do that, but if anyone in my WH opens the static, Im stuffed. What about people in the C2 I was in yesterday, they had 4 k162s. The risk does not equal the reward from mining, and C1-C4s do not have enough to support many people without mining. Anyway I realized that if I go back to 1 account, I have enough isk that I don't need to pay for my account for years.
Don't open your static then? Collapse your K162's and your static, don't warp to the new one. WH is completely closed off until a new K162 opens into your system, at which point your warp off your miners, collapse the new hole and get on with your business. Seems pretty risk free to me.
If you don't think C1-C4's are making you enough isk, move to a C5? God knows there are a ton of empty ones...
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Bloody Wench
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Posted - 2013.04.28 06:59:00 -
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Haulie Berry wrote:Quote:We will also be making a significant change to the way hidden asteroid belts will be found by players. We are phasing out the Gravimetric signature category, and instead pilots will be able to find all Ore Sites using their shipGÇÖs built-in anomaly scanning equipment. This change will make finding hidden belts much less difficult for both miners and for those who would prey on them, so pilots are always advised to practice vigilance. Now I can just roll up on WH miners without ever dropping cloak.
On the other hand, it now means I only have to despawn Ladars to unclutter my system.
Which is what I thought you were going to say from the title...
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Josilin du Guesclin
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
9
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Posted - 2013.04.28 08:24:00 -
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I much prefer:
Angsty Teenager wrote:
Don't open your static then? Collapse your K162's and your static, don't warp to the new one. WH is completely closed off until a new K162 opens into your system, at which point your warp off your miners....
...hunt down and kill the interlopers....
Quote:
...collapse the new hole and get on with your business.
If you must have open holes, put some alts in cloakys on them. Ventures with a cloak will do, hardly expensive. Most of EVE seems to have a tons of alts, after all.
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Frying Doom
2419
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Posted - 2013.04.28 08:35:00 -
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Josilin du Guesclin wrote:I Quote:
...collapse the new hole and get on with your business.
If you must have open holes, put some alts in cloakys on them. Ventures with a cloak will do, hardly expensive. Most of EVE seems to have a tons of alts, after all.
Rather the point actually.
I realised I pay for 5 accounts but I don't get five times the fun. Not being able to do as I prefer with reasonable risk vs reward, I am closing 4 of my accounts and doing something less rewarding isk wise but still entertaining (though not as much fun as WH mining was). Also enabling me to sell of a whole pile of stuff and plex my one remaining account for years.
Any spelling and grammatical errors are because frankly, I don't care!! |
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