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Phaderift
Sky Fighters Talocan United
21
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Posted - 2013.05.02 23:01:00 -
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Azemar wrote:Liang Nuren wrote:My understanding of the new discovery scanner was that it was exactly equivalent to the anomaly scanner, potentially plus sites you'd already scanned down/found. I honestly don't see this being any kind of impedance to a WH miner because they'll just close their static + inbounds and keep an eye out for K162s...
-Liang As someone who is part of a mainly EU corp in a C4 (with a C2 static), we only have about 7 members. Most of the time I'm on, no one else is. I also don't have any alts. As a solo explorer who mines from time to time, this really kills me. What can I do? Nothing. They really can't let this go through. It kills the small-time explorer and actually aids the large organizations.
wait so as you are mining you can't keep an eye on your system/discovery scanner as you mine? Or you know you could always put a bubble at the grav site warp in and toss out a drone cloud in it to decloak things that wish to harm you and then mine away from it? or mine in a venture and use that utility high for a probe launcher? or move to a system that can be entirely on dscan from anywhere in system.. usually when people come off the hole they will show up on dscan for 5-10 seconds as the move off and cloak up, though you would have to be paying attention and semi lucky to catch them on dscan in this way .. or mashing it every couple seconds. Hmm what other things can be done to adapt to this? Fit ecm/ecm drones and maybe agility mods? the only thing that wont have a 4-7 second targeting delay is bombers or black ops ( but they can't warp cloaked ) and bombers are not known for having great sensor str .. jam them with a multispec or ecm drones as you align out then warp once it lands?
the only arguments i have heard are from people who are mad that they can't semi afk mine any more, or that there might be added defensive setup steps they need to take ... or that you might need to find people to play with in order to survive in the dangerous lands of WH/Nullsec/lowsec space. Honestly .. adapt or get podded? HTFU? figure it out, there are tools in the game that will allow you to keep doing what you are doing .... you just need to learn to use them. Hell if people spent half the time figuring out instead of complaining they would have nothing to complain about? |
Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Atrocitas
3395
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Posted - 2013.05.02 23:43:00 -
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Azemar wrote:Liang Nuren wrote:My understanding of the new discovery scanner was that it was exactly equivalent to the anomaly scanner, potentially plus sites you'd already scanned down/found. I honestly don't see this being any kind of impedance to a WH miner because they'll just close their static + inbounds and keep an eye out for K162s...
-Liang As someone who is part of a mainly EU corp in a C4 (with a C2 static), we only have about 7 members. Most of the time I'm on, no one else is. I also don't have any alts. As a solo explorer who mines from time to time, this really kills me. What can I do? Nothing. They really can't let this go through. It kills the small-time explorer and actually aids the large organizations.
I have personally had no problems as a solo explorer.
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Frying Doom
2459
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Posted - 2013.05.02 23:52:00 -
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Phaderift wrote:Azemar wrote:Liang Nuren wrote:My understanding of the new discovery scanner was that it was exactly equivalent to the anomaly scanner, potentially plus sites you'd already scanned down/found. I honestly don't see this being any kind of impedance to a WH miner because they'll just close their static + inbounds and keep an eye out for K162s...
-Liang As someone who is part of a mainly EU corp in a C4 (with a C2 static), we only have about 7 members. Most of the time I'm on, no one else is. I also don't have any alts. As a solo explorer who mines from time to time, this really kills me. What can I do? Nothing. They really can't let this go through. It kills the small-time explorer and actually aids the large organizations. wait so as you are mining you can't keep an eye on your system/discovery scanner as you mine? Or you know you could always put a bubble at the grav site warp in and toss out a drone cloud in it to decloak things that wish to harm you and then mine away from it? or mine in a venture and use that utility high for a probe launcher? or move to a system that can be entirely on dscan from anywhere in system.. usually when people come off the hole they will show up on dscan for 5-10 seconds as the move off and cloak up, though you would have to be paying attention and semi lucky to catch them on dscan in this way .. or mashing it every couple seconds. Hmm what other things can be done to adapt to this? Fit ecm/ecm drones and maybe agility mods? the only thing that wont have a 4-7 second targeting delay is bombers or black ops ( but they can't warp cloaked ) and bombers are not known for having great sensor str .. jam them with a multispec or ecm drones as you align out then warp once it lands? the only arguments i have heard are from people who are mad that they can't semi afk mine any more, or that there might be added defensive setup steps they need to take ... or that you might need to find people to play with in order to survive in the dangerous lands of WH/Nullsec/lowsec space. Honestly .. adapt or get podded? HTFU? figure it out, there are tools in the game that will allow you to keep doing what you are doing .... you just need to learn to use them. Hell if people spent half the time figuring out instead of complaining they would have nothing to complain about? You don't mine do you?
People are adapting, they are GTFO of WHs. The risk vs reward is now screwed for WH mining, so why would anyone want to do it? Any spelling and grammatical errors are because frankly, I don't care!! |
Phaderift
Sky Fighters Talocan United
21
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Posted - 2013.05.03 00:03:00 -
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actually, i do mine or atleast i used to. 4 perfect hulk pilots 1 hauling orca and 1 perfect boosting rorq/orca depending on where i am mining.. and TBH i never understood why anyone would mine in WH space .. you are either hauling constantly or refining at a greatly reduced rate. |
Frying Doom
2459
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Posted - 2013.05.03 00:16:00 -
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Phaderift wrote:actually, i do mine or atleast i used to. 4 perfect hulk pilots 1 hauling orca and 1 perfect boosting rorq/orca depending on where i am mining.. and TBH i never understood why anyone would mine in WH space .. you are either hauling constantly or refining at a greatly reduced rate. So you mine but not in WHs, then maybe you should take your own advice and bring your hulks and orca into a WH and mine after the changes come out, then tell people to HTFU.
For those of us in small corporations and alliances, in C1-C4s, the change removed our style of play.
Not that I can complain that much, by closing four of my accounts and selling of Ice and assets of those characters I am now plexed into 2017 and climbing Any spelling and grammatical errors are because frankly, I don't care!! |
Phaderift
Sky Fighters Talocan United
21
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Posted - 2013.05.03 16:33:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Phaderift wrote:actually, i do mine or atleast i used to. 4 perfect hulk pilots 1 hauling orca and 1 perfect boosting rorq/orca depending on where i am mining.. and TBH i never understood why anyone would mine in WH space .. you are either hauling constantly or refining at a greatly reduced rate. So you mine but not in WHs, then maybe you should take your own advice and bring your hulks and orca into a WH and mine after the changes come out, then tell people to HTFU. For those of us in small corporations and alliances, in C1-C4s, the change removed our style of play. Not that I can complain that much, by closing four of my accounts and selling of Ice and assets of those characters I am now plexed into 2017 and climbing
nah the logistical nightmares of moving large amounts of M3 in ore around is what stopped me from mining in WH space .. even with a rorq compressing., though i might sneak my mining op back out to null with all that trit super cap production looks like it might be more viable now. I hated compressing. Also We spoke at fan fest in the exploration round table, at least if your the gent im thinking of. FLy safe :p |
Oxandrolone
Bite Me inc Bitten.
173
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Posted - 2013.05.04 20:29:00 -
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At first i thought yay, no more combats to find miners.
But then i realised they will just go and mine in highsec instead |
Azemar
Yggdrasil Academy
12
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Posted - 2013.05.05 07:29:00 -
[68] - Quote
Phaderift wrote:Azemar wrote:Liang Nuren wrote:My understanding of the new discovery scanner was that it was exactly equivalent to the anomaly scanner, potentially plus sites you'd already scanned down/found. I honestly don't see this being any kind of impedance to a WH miner because they'll just close their static + inbounds and keep an eye out for K162s...
-Liang As someone who is part of a mainly EU corp in a C4 (with a C2 static), we only have about 7 members. Most of the time I'm on, no one else is. I also don't have any alts. As a solo explorer who mines from time to time, this really kills me. What can I do? Nothing. They really can't let this go through. It kills the small-time explorer and actually aids the large organizations. wait so as you are mining you can't keep an eye on your system/discovery scanner as you mine? Or you know you could always put a bubble at the grav site warp in and toss out a drone cloud in it to decloak things that wish to harm you and then mine away from it? or mine in a venture and use that utility high for a probe launcher? or move to a system that can be entirely on dscan from anywhere in system.. usually when people come off the hole they will show up on dscan for 5-10 seconds as the move off and cloak up, though you would have to be paying attention and semi lucky to catch them on dscan in this way .. or mashing it every couple seconds. Hmm what other things can be done to adapt to this? Fit ecm/ecm drones and maybe agility mods? the only thing that wont have a 4-7 second targeting delay is bombers or black ops ( but they can't warp cloaked ) and bombers are not known for having great sensor str .. jam them with a multispec or ecm drones as you align out then warp once it lands? the only arguments i have heard are from people who are mad that they can't semi afk mine any more, or that there might be added defensive setup steps they need to take ... or that you might need to find people to play with in order to survive in the dangerous lands of WH/Nullsec/lowsec space. Honestly .. adapt or get podded? HTFU? figure it out, there are tools in the game that will allow you to keep doing what you are doing .... you just need to learn to use them. Hell if people spent half the time figuring out instead of complaining they would have nothing to complain about?
Being solo in a fully fitted hulk takes away about every one of the options you listed except mashing d-scan every 5 seconds. I am human, and no one likes doing that.
@ Liang
I don't either? I'm talking about odyssey. With this change (assuming no changes to anything else), I will not be able to solo mine in a WH. The risk vs reward is totally shot. Eve in general, WH even more so, is a giant game of risk and opportunity analysis. The reward went up slightly for Odyssey, but the risk just quadrupled. The only thing that made us "safe" in WH mining was the combination of d-scan and needing to scan us or the site down.
EDIT: Usually I hope that everything that gets changed in k-space also applies to WH space (like non-combat mag/radar sites), but for this particular instance it really shouldn't be. We don't have the benefit of local. Although, this is a huge buff to SB afk campers in null sec. |
Bloody Wench
328
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Posted - 2013.05.05 12:01:00 -
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Phaderift wrote: usually when people come off the hole they will show up on dscan for 5-10 seconds as the move off and cloak up
ROFL, you'd be lucky if I was on d-scan for a split second, and kissed on the prick by god himself if you clicked scan at that exact time. |
Soko99
Repercussus RAZOR Alliance
22
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Posted - 2013.05.05 12:35:00 -
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Anogra wrote:actually, he is right. CCP soundwave did a demo here at the fanfest dureing eve keynotes and showed us the new jump tunnel (absolutly ******* awesome), BUT. he aslo showed the onboard scanner, witch showed anoms as green, and sigs as red. to quote him after he did that scan "now im going to spawn a site, coz nobody wants to see me use hours to scan down that sig" (he was demonstrating the new hacking sig).
Anogra
You guys are confusing a couple of things in that video. When he jumped through the gate, it ran that 360 scan that shows all the anoms. AFTER that, he launched his probes, which then allowed him to see the signatures as well.
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Soko99
Repercussus RAZOR Alliance
22
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Posted - 2013.05.05 12:48:00 -
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Azemar wrote:Phaderift wrote:Azemar wrote:Liang Nuren wrote:My understanding of the new discovery scanner was that it was exactly equivalent to the anomaly scanner, potentially plus sites you'd already scanned down/found. I honestly don't see this being any kind of impedance to a WH miner because they'll just close their static + inbounds and keep an eye out for K162s...
-Liang As someone who is part of a mainly EU corp in a C4 (with a C2 static), we only have about 7 members. Most of the time I'm on, no one else is. I also don't have any alts. As a solo explorer who mines from time to time, this really kills me. What can I do? Nothing. They really can't let this go through. It kills the small-time explorer and actually aids the large organizations. wait so as you are mining you can't keep an eye on your system/discovery scanner as you mine? Or you know you could always put a bubble at the grav site warp in and toss out a drone cloud in it to decloak things that wish to harm you and then mine away from it? or mine in a venture and use that utility high for a probe launcher? or move to a system that can be entirely on dscan from anywhere in system.. usually when people come off the hole they will show up on dscan for 5-10 seconds as the move off and cloak up, though you would have to be paying attention and semi lucky to catch them on dscan in this way .. or mashing it every couple seconds. Hmm what other things can be done to adapt to this? Fit ecm/ecm drones and maybe agility mods? the only thing that wont have a 4-7 second targeting delay is bombers or black ops ( but they can't warp cloaked ) and bombers are not known for having great sensor str .. jam them with a multispec or ecm drones as you align out then warp once it lands? the only arguments i have heard are from people who are mad that they can't semi afk mine any more, or that there might be added defensive setup steps they need to take ... or that you might need to find people to play with in order to survive in the dangerous lands of WH/Nullsec/lowsec space. Honestly .. adapt or get podded? HTFU? figure it out, there are tools in the game that will allow you to keep doing what you are doing .... you just need to learn to use them. Hell if people spent half the time figuring out instead of complaining they would have nothing to complain about? Being solo in a fully fitted hulk takes away about every one of the options you listed except mashing d-scan every 5 seconds. I am human, and no one likes doing that. @ Liang I don't either? I'm talking about odyssey. With this change (assuming no changes to anything else), I will not be able to solo mine in a WH. The risk vs reward is totally shot. Eve in general, WH even more so, is a giant game of risk and opportunity analysis. The reward went up slightly for Odyssey, but the risk just quadrupled. The only thing that made us "safe" in WH mining was the combination of d-scan and needing to scan us or the site down. EDIT: Usually I hope that everything that gets changed in k-space also applies to WH space (like non-combat mag/radar sites), but for this particular instance it really shouldn't be. We don't have the benefit of local. Although, this is a huge buff to SB afk campers in null sec.
As much as I hate this change to grav sites, I think it won't change too much for the solo ganker. The miner will have to switch from hulks to skiffs, (way better tank) and that skiff will just have to use core stabs and maybe an ECM burst with ECM drones. That should give you a chance to GTFO and break the lock on the scram. Still not a very comforting thought that my early warning system. (aside from using alts to be lookouts) is going to be pointed. But the 60-80k EHP on the skiff should give me enough time to bounce. |
Soko99
Repercussus RAZOR Alliance
22
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Posted - 2013.05.05 12:50:00 -
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Bloody Wench wrote:Phaderift wrote: usually when people come off the hole they will show up on dscan for 5-10 seconds as the move off and cloak up ROFL, you'd be lucky if I was on d-scan for a split second, and kissed on the prick by god himself if you clicked scan at that exact time.
Not sure the exact game mechanic. But you actually stay on Dscan for longer than it takes to cloak. I've noticed this as I would cloak with my 1 toon, and then hit dscan on the other alt, (after alt+tabbing to swap to it) and even though I'm cloaked with my primary, my alt would still get the ship on it's dscan for 1 cycle. |
Bloody Wench
328
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Posted - 2013.05.05 12:53:00 -
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When I do it with mine, I'm gone before the cloak has fully faded the ship. Support a Hi Resolution Texture Pack |
Phaderift
Sky Fighters Talocan United
21
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Posted - 2013.05.05 18:41:00 -
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Bloody Wench wrote:When I do it with mine, I'm gone before the cloak has fully faded the ship.
even if you are gone and re cloaked before your ship ever actually appears you still linger on dscan server side for 5-10 seconds. so even if you instantly go from 1 cloak to another .. you still show up on dscan |
Jacob Muvila
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.05.05 19:58:00 -
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Haulie Berry wrote:Quote:We will also be making a significant change to the way hidden asteroid belts will be found by players. We are phasing out the Gravimetric signature category, and instead pilots will be able to find all Ore Sites using their shipGÇÖs built-in anomaly scanning equipment. This change will make finding hidden belts much less difficult for both miners and for those who would prey on them, so pilots are always advised to practice vigilance. Now I can just roll up on WH miners without ever dropping cloak. http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=227502 Better watch out for this one.
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James Arget
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
124
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Posted - 2013.05.06 02:43:00 -
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/me takes notes James Arget for CSM 8! Wormholes and the Player Perspective
http://csm.fcftw.org |
Mission Domino
End-of-Line
0
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Posted - 2013.05.06 15:19:00 -
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Phaderift wrote:Bloody Wench wrote:When I do it with mine, I'm gone before the cloak has fully faded the ship.
even if you are gone and re cloaked before your ship ever actually appears you still linger on dscan server side for 5-10 seconds. so even if you instantly go from 1 cloak to another .. you still show up on dscan |
Shazeen Zerubu
Master Bait and Tackle
8
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Posted - 2013.05.06 17:05:00 -
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Dont people use probes when they do stuff inside their wh ? (small corp wh dweller here)
We collapse the static and dont touch the new one when it spawns. ALWAYS have a probe in system looking for the next K162 to spawn.
If there is a pilot camping the system your screwed but aint that why we live in wh space ? **** happens in the blink of an eye and that is the thrill for me at least .
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Azemar
Yggdrasil Academy
14
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Posted - 2013.05.07 22:48:00 -
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Shazeen Zerubu wrote:Dont people use probes when they do stuff inside their wh ? (small corp wh dweller here)
We collapse the static and dont touch the new one when it spawns. ALWAYS have a probe in system looking for the next K162 to spawn.
If there is a pilot camping the system your screwed but aint that why we live in wh space ? **** happens in the blink of an eye and that is the thrill for me at least .
Collapsing statics isn't really a practical option for corps with 6-7 people on and only 1-2 on at any given time.
Also, I'm curious about this because I'm slightly new on the topic. What does not touching the new one do exactly? What's the point of collapsing the old one just to create another? |
Phaderift
Sky Fighters Talocan United
21
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Posted - 2013.05.07 23:06:00 -
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Wh's spawn when you initiate warp to them so if you never warp to the new static it won't make the hole so people from the outside world can't come in through it. |
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Udonor
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
36
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Posted - 2013.05.08 07:21:00 -
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Angsty Teenager wrote:Why so much whining?
You can't handle having one deep space probe out watching for new sigs while you mine? At least you can just warp off in a hulk or w/e. Can't do that in a combat site....
I think the point is that the new grav sites ARE exactly like combat sites with no rats left. I can now laugh at your DSCAN and deep space probes. Because I will be applying point to 1-2 miners about the same time they are pushing button to start that 15 second warp process.
And this is a good thing. WH space was never intended to be settled by industrialists. Except maybe as ambush bait or a distraction while waiting for a route between null and empire space to open.
That's right. WH systems will soon finally fulfill their original purpose -- providing an alternate path past permanent gate camps on paths to and from null. Because of all that new null sec industry which will finally be opening years late but still needs neutral trading hubs in high sec.
And such maze-like paths will be settled by pirate taking tolls. Because mass limits mean there are limits on convoy escorts for even the biggest null sec corps. More escorts -- less convoy.
Frankly I hope CCP gets smart and places wh in middle of old grav sites (tidal forces collecting rubbish) so that cloaked transports get stopped and unmasked at each wh. |
Deshrial Sculpin
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.05.08 14:29:00 -
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Azemar wrote:Shazeen Zerubu wrote:Dont people use probes when they do stuff inside their wh ? (small corp wh dweller here)
We collapse the static and dont touch the new one when it spawns. ALWAYS have a probe in system looking for the next K162 to spawn.
If there is a pilot camping the system your screwed but aint that why we live in wh space ? **** happens in the blink of an eye and that is the thrill for me at least .
Collapsing statics isn't really a practical option for corps with 6-7 people on and only 1-2 on at any given time. Also, I'm curious about this because I'm slightly new on the topic. What does not touching the new one do exactly? What's the point of collapsing the old one just to create another?
I am in a small corp and its insanely easy to roll the holes. I really don't get all the "its dangerous now" it is SUPPOSED TO BE!
I can not count the ships I have lost due to being stupid but as you learn how to actually play that number goes down..
you have 6-7 people well... lets say you do not have an orca (which is just silly) go through the WH in BS's with afterburners/MWDs on lets say 150k. the WH I have lived in they are always around 2million tons of mass so...
figure 300k per round trip with your BS go through 7 times.... Bam closed
also get a Heavy interdictor to finish off any on the verge...
Or use the little mining frigates to mine there are so many ways to mine with little risk... personally I am just glad that after I clear out the ladar sites I wont have a ton of sigs sitting around :)
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4runner
Eternal Profiteers Eternal Syndicate
32
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Posted - 2013.05.08 16:18:00 -
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Let me get one thing straight... In this expansion will probes and probe launchers become obsolete and replaced by this "Click to Win" scan button or will there be any more complexions for current veteran scanners ? |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
1346
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Posted - 2013.05.08 17:05:00 -
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4runner wrote:Let me get one thing straight... In this expansion will probes and probe launchers become obsolete and replaced by this "Click to Win" scan button or will there be any more complexions for current veteran scanners ?
Only for anom runners and would be miners. |
Phaderift
Sky Fighters Talocan United
21
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Posted - 2013.05.08 17:37:00 -
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Derath Ellecon wrote:4runner wrote:Let me get one thing straight... In this expansion will probes and probe launchers become obsolete and replaced by this "Click to Win" scan button or will there be any more complexions for current veteran scanners ? Only for anom runners and would be miners.
anoms have always been click to win, though now thinking about it .. if you need on grid boosters shortly .. how will this effect mining with rorq boosts? there is no way people are going to siege up a rorq in the middle of a grav site if people dont need to scan it down. |
MisterAl tt1
Pretenders Inc W-Space
73
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Posted - 2013.05.08 21:56:00 -
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I don't like this change very much. I was actually sure CCP would not do smth that stupid and would not imply this change in WH.
1. Increased risk for miners. Not that I care for them, but if they don't mine - whom would we catch? 2. Less skill required for someone catching those miners. Really - catching a miner now IS a difficult task. First you have to pin-point him with d-scan, then scan with 1 cycle only. Whit this change - every newbie will be able to catch one! Is eve really going more casual? 3. Less skill required to scan down the whole WH system. I think current balance is just OK. |
Diego Luiz
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.05.09 06:08:00 -
[87] - Quote
Oh well, I'm one of the low profile C1 Wormholers with this kind of changes, I'm selling the WH. Any takers?
/bad CCP. You are protecting the bigger groups for us smaller you don't give a s-h-i-t! |
Malkev
GRUMPS RESEARCH TEAM
59
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Posted - 2013.05.10 05:04:00 -
[88] - Quote
Nox Arnoux wrote:Also, have any of you tried to catch miners by warping directly into an asteroid belt? Nope, but that might be because I warp at 100km instead of directly into a grav site.
You know there are asteroids that decloak you in those things right? |
Galileo Ohaya
Tortuga Coalition 102
10
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Posted - 2013.05.11 01:29:00 -
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I'm another one that really hates this idea of moving the Grav sites to anomalies. I mine a lot in hisec and also live in a WH. The grav sites in the WH add some added isk to a relatively poor C2. Mining will now be suicidal in a WH. BTW, for those of you that like cruising the WH's looking for miners to gank, you will need to find another activity, since small time operations won't be mining in wormspace any longer. Sure easier to find targets, but there won't be any targets to find.
Yeah, I know that we can collapse the holes, put up probes and watch for new ones to open up. However, my experience with closing WHs has been dodgy at best. I've seen way too much variability in the actual max mass of the whs to be comfortable.
the other issue is hisec. I like to scan down a Grav site and mine it with my hisec toons. Nothing wrong with having to put out a little time and effort to finding the Grav sites. Putting them as Anoms removes any element of skill and does nothing to reward the miners that have trained up the scanning skills.
yeah, all in all, a very stupid move on CCPs part. |
Xylorn Hasher
Sumiyoshi-Kai
106
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Posted - 2013.05.13 08:31:00 -
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Nox Arnoux wrote:You guys saw that the new onboard scanner allows you to see new sigs spawning in your system right?
You know what that implies? You don't even need an alt with a probe out to look for new wormholes anymore...
Also, have any of you tried to catch miners by warping directly into an asteroid belt? It's hideously difficult. All it takes is one giant misplaced rock in your path and you could end up blowing your cloak 70 km premature.
If anything, catching miners will be more difficult with odyssey. The miner has an easier time to look out for intruders, but the hunter still needs combat probes if they want a precise warp in to guarantee them the kill. If you still die mining in Odyssey then it'll be 190% your own damn fault.
Lol i laugh my ass off your lack of being smart.
1. You warp alt at 100km ( cloaky ) 2. You warp combat ship to alt on 100km ( cloaky ) 3. Combat ship is now 200km from grid center able to warp anywhere on that grid.
Shame on you K162 used to be skilled guys who knew their job. All my posts are made shortly after Marihuana-áconsumption. |
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