As someone who occasionally kills miners in w-space, I fully support this change and it will make the hunt easier, since they won't even know I'm coming until they're already pointed even if they're hitting dscan every few seconds.

As someone who occasionally mines in w-space, this change will turn me into someone who never mines in w-space. Sure, "use scouts" is fine and dandy for people in higher class WHs with large corps, but for solo/(very) small groups in the lower classes of wormholes, this may very well make mining too risky to be worth it.

This pretty much sums it up to me. If you're in a large wormhole corp/alliance that already has to PvP regularly to defend your space, then nothing much has changed. For us small corps, wormhole mining is now dangerous to the extreme. I certainly won't be doing it after the changes! Like it was already mentioned, even Dscanning constantly and watching entrances isn't currently a certain way to stay safe. After these changes, its going to be ridiculously easy for pirates.

those who kill miners in W space are not pirates .. Also a point that you guys seem to be missing is the new discovery scanner will also show the sigs of non anoms. so you will get a general idea of what is there.. you will also be able to see new sigs with it. So if you kept a scout on your own static or kept your static closed you will see k162s as the appear and be able to just warp off and look at what might of happened. all these people who think this will change much for the competent miners in W space are kidding themselves, the only people who this will effect are the ones who were already dumb enough to get caught. I am really surprised the fact that u can now launch 7 probes at once has not caused more people to complain then this whole is now an anom thing .. cause were before if i bear was in a scan down site or safe they have about 10 seconds for me to drop 7 probes get them off dscan and recloak now its down to like 3 or less, so the window for you to see the cloaky hunter on dscan is now down to less then 1/3 of what it used to be. For the record i love the 7 probe change

[...] Also a point that you guys seem to be missing is the new discovery scanner will also show the sigs of non anoms. so you will get a general idea of what is there.. you will also be able to see new sigs with it.[...]

Surely the amount of quality ore might also change to make it worth the risk? I don't recall any of the fanfest presentations commenting on that.
Could you not in most cases align and warp out when an enemy decloaks? I'm not aware of the align time of the various barges but I've seen people do that in combat anoms before I can get a lock. *shrugs*

I'd say grav sites were too safe previously, I don't want to see semi afk mining as viable.

Hes dumb.. It does not show new sigs.. It has basically moved gravs into anom type sites and shows anoms.. you will still need to probe to see new sigs.. you will be able to see new grav sites and new anoms thats it..

Learn to read.. k thanks

I have a maxed out exploration character as well and I'm extremely excited about these changes! Scanning mods? Increase my already maxed out probe strength you say?! H***s YEAH!! The more people that don't find it worth maxing thier scan skills out the better because thats more people that I can outscan without really even trying :P

I don't see how you can say 10% boost to scan strength/speed/deviation mods won't benefit you with maxed skills... The only thing it will do is push the gap between maxed characters and 'good enough' characters.

Did you even mention that, for wormholes --- you most likely won't us e them that much. I mean which scrub sits in a wormhole scanning and decloaked with instantly deployable combats and probe formations. So those modules will most likely go to hisec (or k-space) explorers with now even lazier attitude!

And till now, mining in a hidden belt/grav made you pretty much ungankgable (unless stupid or AFK), now seems awesome. To gank all the ships!

And ye, wh-mining without a probe out is suicidal :)
Use a deep space probe in addition to dscan, you're in lawless space afterall.

Well, it made you effectively immune to drive-bys. It didn't make you immune to people who had snuck in and scanned the place down before you came online.

this change was needed why exactly?
just more dumbing down of exploration...

One thing that drew me in was that there was no instant gratification.

Reminds me of when I took up smoking.

I would argue that this change will actually boost mining in wormhole space because of the way site respawning works. In a lot of systems gravs are never warped to and thus stay unused for a long time. This could potentially lead to a more even spread of grav sites across different holes.

Not to mention that this will decrease the amount of sigs to scan in a wh by ~20% (assuming equal distribution)

I would argue that this change will actually boost mining in wormhole space because of the way site respawning works. In a lot of systems gravs are never warped to and thus stay unused for a long time. This could potentially lead to a more even spread of grav sites across different holes.

Not to mention that this will decrease the amount of sigs to scan in a wh by ~20% (assuming equal distribution)

Also a point that you guys seem to be missing is the new discovery scanner will also show the sigs of non anoms. so you will get a general idea of what is there.. you will also be able to see new sigs with it. So if you kept a scout on your own static or kept your static closed you will see k162s as the appear and be able to just warp off and look at what might of happened.

Ah cool, i wasn't aware of that. Well that at least provides an early warning against people entering the system.

My understanding of the new discovery scanner was that it was exactly equivalent to the anomaly scanner, potentially plus sites you'd already scanned down/found. I honestly don't see this being any kind of impedance to a WH miner because they'll just close their static + inbounds and keep an eye out for K162s...

-Liang