Aphatasis
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Posted - 2011.10.22 11:05:00 -
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If it already got raised i'm sry for asking again. Have read the dev post of the first 20 pages and then stopped.
Let's do some math:
Well, let's set up the building cost of an Custom Office to about 100m ISK in total
- BPC bought throught contracts will cost about 40m ISK (cause i'm very sure most ppl who want to do PI in Nullsec aren't doing this much HighSec Incursions and that's the only way to get ever any Concord LP cause i think just 5 of some hundret non-highsec-incursion got finished until now)
- A single Capital Ship construction and the 71 P4 products will be about 60m ISK (P4 product prices from the weeks before that DevBlog)
Next step, getting the ISK a corp will get from the tax:
I'll take me and about 3 friends of mine as a example. We are as we could get the only ppl doing PI in a certain System, let's add about 2 other unknown guys. Everyone of this 6 ppl is doing with about 2 Chars and 5 Planets per character PI.
As very very common, most ppl just export the P1 or P2 products and ether sell it directly or have a single planet in highsec near a trading hub to procced all their nullsec p1/p2 stuff to p3 or maybe p4.
So we have about 60 colonies in that special system and also say that these colonies are just spread out about 7 planet in this specific system.
That will mean there is a cost of about 700m ISK (don't count the effort u need for bringing all this to work!)
Also say the owner-corp will tax about 15%.
That 60 Colonies are able to get out about 50,4k units of p1 products of all kinds per day. With todays export cost of 0,76 ISK per unit of p1 goods this will result in about 115k ISK taxes the corp will get per day from this 700m investment. That means after about 16,7 years the corp setting up will get to a turning point of making profit with it!
Sry won't happen this way!
People in corps with a high level of trust and resulting in being someone with a lot of roles/titles or a director position in a corp will set up some custom offices just to not switch all things these ppl worked out for their PI-production lines. These ppl will pay the cost from their own wallets and neither their corp nor their alliance will take care if the custom office will leave reinforcement and will be get killed.
That's the reason why i just read about at least 3 ppl wanting to set up the custom office for they privatly and not for there corp, cause they surely know their corp won't care about this. That's by the way no reason to join another corp for nearly every part time loyal member or serious spy.
Why? Cause you (CCP) will always forget that nearly EVERY major alliance takes take about the huge amount of grunts but not of some single ppl or just a bunch of ppl doing something different to get the money.
That means: Getting space for farming anomalies is maybe something on the agenda of alliance leadership IF there is a possibility to get this "good true sec space" but most alliance will NOT start a war just for getting their grunts better true sec systems.
The same with custom offices. I'm 95% sure that nearly all custom office that will be sent to RF won't get any attanchen from the defender and it's just up for the attacker to be bored enough to commit any forces again to destroy it.
Something i read on (i think) page 12 or 13:
Robotics got a price of 6k ISK per Unit. Did u check jita in the last year?
We already have the awesome thing of dynamic balancing of insurance-prices. Why not just simply do the same with the PI stuff and just tax these values?
Some more thinkings:
Well there will be some planets like special Plasma, Lava and Ocean ones worth setting up a Custom Office, but mostly PI in Nullsec will be done in the staging systems of ppl regardless if there are much better planets 2 jumps out or the combination of planets there is much better. They do this just because the effort of flying around and the risk it not worth it. They launch there PI goods and get them to station after getting home from roaming or a fleet fight or just when they add new skills to the queue.
I also very highly like the idea fo different tax for different groups (corp, alliance, +10'ish ppl and so on).
With this possibility it will make sense in my opinion to remove the "only ppl of the sov hoalding alliance are able to set up NEW colonies".
TL;DR: Bolded some parts for the ppl don't want to read all.
My english isn't the best, hope everyone gets at least the main messages i wanted to raise.
#1 Sry forgot something:
The idea behind this, that u will hand over more and more of EVE to the players and by this make the sandbox bigger is great! But it feels again that u don't realy know the ways EVE is played by the ppl that affect the changes!
And please stop thinking that the CSM member are all realy playing EVE the same way as their grunts do! I'm very sure if u ask all CSM member how much involved they are with PI most of them will tell u "tried once, do it maybe once a week but most time don't think about it!".
Also ask Mr Mittani about how willingly he is to force his ppl to grind through more structures after they invaded space and had to show up for about 200 timers just to get SOV.
#2 Also forgot this:
Thx CCP Omen for your nerves and answering so many questions in this thread! GÖÑ |