ccp have been working on FW alot.
stop crying go camp highsec stations if its to hard for u to get kills.

CCP should just make a change where it makes the warzone a warzone instead of low sec mission running.

Instead of ranting I want to make one simple idea known.

I think that kills made in Solar system should be applied to the control of that solar system. Math and explanation:

To win control of a system you must gain 100% control (put system into vulnerable) and kill the ihub.

Each plex that you complete (orbit a beacon for 10, 15, 20 or 25 min.) gives you .7% additional movement towards control (towards caputering of defending.)

For easy math (and simplicity of overall thought) all math is done at T1 control.
Novice - 10 min - 5,000 LP
Small - 15 min - 8,000 LP
medium - 20 min - 12,700 LP

So if I do the easy math which is running the Novice sites only: this is simple showing not exact numbers:

To push the system to 100% from 0% would take 143 sites. (novice sites)
5,000 LP per site (5,000 x 143 = 715000)
715,000 LP given to pilots for 100% control of a system.
If you earn LP for PVP kills (which is based off of the insurance payout) then those LP payments should be matched and paid into the ihub and used towards the max % of flip.

IE: Killing a hurricane gives (lets say) 5,000 LP payout. That means that the pilots involved receive 5,000 LP and the ihub receives 5,000 LP towards the max of 715,000 or whatever arbitrary number CCP wants to give it.

This would bring PVP into the front line where pvp actually matters. Killing a enemy BS fleet is worth more then 5 hours of sitting afk with a cloak frig plexing.

Since the payouts are based on insurance payouts (dont quote me but im pretty sure its either insurance or its the amount of the ship value x some %. Since LP payouts are always a fraction of the ship kill this will prevent people from abusing it since it will not be worth the isk loss.

This is a warzone, why does PVP not matter?

Best example is the Amarr Militia and Fweddit. Fweddit has a massive amount of kills and PVPs all the time. Yet the minmatar are (were) winning the warzone due to broken farming mechanics.

This brings this question to my mind:

"IS THIS A WARZONE OR IS THIS LOWSEC MISSION RUNNING?"

Timer rollback at 2x or 3x rate. If some dude wants to sit in the plex cloaked up, then he can really be griefed by the other side sitting there running the timer back quickly.

Anyways, easy enough of a fix.

If you study the kill stats you see that fw is a success. I like some of the minor tweaks mentioned in this thread, but major changes are not necessary. Fw is not broken.

After looking at both Fweddit and Moar Tears killboards, it's kind of lolworthy that any request is being made at all. Most of their kills are in Egglehende - a system which is not in FW space. You wonder if they would get any fights in FW if they actually, say, patrolled the FW area instead of camped the high sec gates in Eggh (and then called camping high sec gates "the right kind of pvp").

+1 to In Exile. who live in Eggh, but appear to actually go looking for fights in FW.

And +1 to Amarrian Retribution who actually have the balls to live in FW space. Right now Sahtogas is getting massive numbers of fights because these guys have chosen to defend it, (and some Minmatar have chosen to attack it). This is how FW Occupancy warfare is supposed to work.

If you study the kill stats you see that fw is a success. I like some of the minor tweaks mentioned in this thread, but major changes are not necessary. Fw is not broken.

It's worse than that, since it actively punishes people for trying to attack or defend. Under such a scheme, it would be better to do nothing and dplex later than to engage at a disadvantage.


Why should kills directly affect a war? Wars are won by accomplishing military objective; killing the enemy is just a means to that end. Conversely, it's entirely possible to waste your time doing nothing of consequence and inflicting irrelevant losses on the opposition (this is especially true in EVE, where dying is an inconvenience). There's nothing wrong with that, but it's pretty unreasonable to insist that it also directly affect the warzone.

FW is working fine, CCP set goal they want to achieve and stats show that they managed to do good changes.

The fact that most players had different goal what changes should do does not matter, FW is fine, get over it.

maybe if we wait couple years stats will go down after hype and CCP has to do something, other option is that players start to play FW like CCP planned, i do not see reason why that should happen, but hey who am i to see future always.

ccp have been working on FW alot.
stop crying go camp highsec stations if its to hard for u to get kills.

Wulf is right in the sense that TZ is a problem, but that can't be fixed!

After looking at both Fweddit and Moar Tears killboards, it's kind of lolworthy that any request is being made at all. Most of their kills are in Egglehende - a system which is not in FW space. You wonder if they would get any fights in FW if they actually, say, patrolled the FW area instead of camping the high sec gates in Eggh (and then called camping high sec gates "the right kind of pvp").

+1 to In Exile. who live in Eggh, but appear to actually go looking for fights in FW.

And +1 to Amarrian Retribution who actually have the balls to live in FW space. Right now Sahtogas is getting massive numbers of fights because these guys have chosen to defend it, (and some Minmatar have chosen to attack it). This is how FW Occupancy warfare is supposed to work.

Adding to contested levels based on kills won't solve this issue, unless the rewards for doing so are boosted to levels that are exploitable. Edit: Not saying it's a bad idea, just that it won't help you "win" FW.

The system favors a those who can put together a group of players to provide full TZ coverage. If you can do that, then the systems you target will not be won by others who run plexes during your off time (farmers or others interested in occupancy over fights). Now you know how to contest systems in the occupancy war - at least in a area near where you are going to base out of. Have at it.

My point is that you dont actually have to fight to win FW. just plex with the other side is asleep in systems that they are not in. Done. Game over. Sounds good.

Unlike your corp where you require people to orbit a plex everyday lots of people view eve as a game. They joined a war against a huge number of other players so that they can pvp. Not so they can have alts dplex a home system in atrons and run from anyone who comes to fight.

Given the broken mechanics of fw living in a low sec non fw system like egg makes sense if you are pvper. If Minmatar/gallente had more pvpers they would move in to egg too. But they want to stay safe where the enemy can't even dock ships.

My god, this whole post is full of troll/misunderstanding.



We're not required to plex, we do so cause it brings FIGHTS. We also have 'operational priorities' where we're encouraged to fight for a system or 2. It just so happens that we find fights. Lots of em actually.

D plex alts are a part of FW whether you like it or not, and of COURSE they're gonna run. Why should a 0 tank 0 dps ship stay around?.

If I am defending a system I want an advantage. Having a station in that system that the enemy cannot dock in is an advantage. Hell, it's worse out in 0.0 where NOBODY can dock in the station except for the owning corp and renters. If the other side wants to be able to reship in enemy territory, that's what POSs are for.

While yes wars are typically won by taking positions, resources, locations, etc. But removing the number of people from the location typically is how you win a fight. See kill enough of the others so they do not have enough to continue to kill you. This is what 00 is all about. WELCOME TO ALPHA FLEET NOOB! kill enough of them and their guns cant kill you. and once there is no one but you left well guess what you just won.

Have you ever played risk? how do you take over a location? by killing all the enemys guys on it? or orbiting it while the other player is asleep? Capture the flag has a higher risk and reward system then the current FW mechanics. If you are trying to take someones flag and a enemy shows up, you cant just leave and wait 4 hours and then go to capture the flag while the other player sleeps.

Cearain I wish you-¦d stop shitting on threads with your attacks on people who disagree with you because

1- Your notification idea is stupid.
2. We ACTUALLY PLAY in FW.

Now, you like numbers right? even if they don-¦t agree with you? go check Gallente Militia killboard and tell us again how JUSTK is "required to orbit buttons" all day and how we don-¦t pvp..

I should just stop feeding the troll really.

As for the issues discussed in this thread:

1. We used to have problems with 3 or 4 people coming into our system in a different timezone and plexing it up. Instead of crying to CCP about it we got a. Friends in diff timezones and b. recruited players in different timezones. Problem over.

2. This thread if nothing else proves that the stupid "notification" idea is not needed/would not work. If amarr can-¦t find "rabbits" plexing the FOUR systems they hold atm, no amount of notification spamm is gonna change that..

3. Kills affecting system contested status would be a ***** to program (I think) and would have no counterpart in all of Eve. There are other, simpler fixes proposed that a lot of people seem to agree upon: timer rollback. Hell even LP corp tax. Altho if you think FW is being farmed now imagine if we had corp LP tax...

Edit: missed something that XG mentioned and I-¦d like to repeat: look at the Amarr in Sahtogas. They are fighting for their system, getting lots of action and (one would think) fun. Imagine if more Amarr alliances/corps dared moved to lowsec and help each other out. FW pvp AND sov right there.

but others want to actually fight a war.

When you say "others" you understand you are talking about US right? the ones actually fighting and actually IN fw?

FW is an isk faucet for risk averse cloak fit atrons. If working as intended then thats fine. But it is not a Faction Warfare anymore. Low sec Missioning and beacon orbiting maybe...

If this is what CCP wants then thats fine. Just change the name.

If CCP will say on this thread that it is working as intended... that afk plexers is what they want... then I would not be surpirsed when amarr stops running a single plex, only pvps, and publicly announces that every single amarr pilot has a minni mission running alt...

No not you. You are the ones who want to make sure your rabbits can hide and avoid all pvp as they win sov. You are the ones who continually argue that rabbit plexing is fine, and always cry out when anyone suggests changes that would end it.

If we wanted to stay up into all the tzs then we would win pretty easily. the problem is we actually have jobs and RL.

So unfortunatly each TZ puts in around 5-8 hours if they want to actually dedicate to the cause. this means that any side with more TZ plexers, IE more EU and RUS vs the US then they win. no matter what. off of simple math and time.

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