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Judge Magister Zeiram
EVE University Ivy League
0
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Posted - 2013.04.27 19:25:00 -
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Is the intent of the new hacking system to take a dump on exploration?
Magnetometric sites are mostly useless salvage. The same junk you can get from any wreck.
Gravimetric sites are useless to anyone, but miners. And even then, since they have no non-high sec ores they aren't particularly any better than standard belts. In fact, given the fact that you'd have to spend time to find them it is financially more prudent to just mine belts in terms of time vs. gain.
Wormholes are useless to anyone uninterested in wormhole space development, ladar or who aren't highly skilled players in extremely powerful ships seeing as anything worthwhile is guarded by Sleeper armadas.
Ladar is low sec/null exclusive and represents the only instance where scanning is crucial to mining. But again, they are useless to anyone who isn't a miner. Any ladar miner is capable of scanning down sites themselves so selling coordinates doesn't work in practice.
Radar sites are the ONLY profitable sites available to "pure" explorers. That is, people who explore for profit only and not as a means to some other end. It can be used to invention, but a non-inventors can make decent ISK selling manifestos and the like.
I've been playing for a little over a month. As an example, a few days ago I was exploring. I found a radar site in the first system I went to. I acquired 20 million in goods, which is above average. I normally find 8-10 mil per site. The next 13 systems I visited over the next few hours had a variety of useless signatures, mostly those god awful wormholes.
So now, with the changes in Odyssey, when I finally find that rare radar site I lose most of the goods. And you say I should bring a friend in order to get the most stuff???
1. ARE RADAR SITES GOING TO BE MORE PLENTIFUL? 2. IS THE AMOUNT CONTENTS OF HACKED CONTAINERS GOING TO INCREASE? 3. WILL WORMHOLES BE INSTANTLY IDENTIFIED AS SUCH SO PEOPLE CAN IGNORE THEM RIGHT OF THE BAT?
What "friend" is going to want to tag along as I scan down useless crap signatures for hours? And when I finally do find a radar site after spending all this time doing ALL the work I'm supposed to share what may be my only source of income with someone else?
Am I missing something? |

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
4905
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Posted - 2013.04.27 19:30:00 -
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Judge Magister Zeiram wrote: Gravimetric sites are useless to anyone, but miners. And even then, since they have no non-high sec ores they aren't particularly any better than standard belts.
You don't really know a thing. Especially about Exploration. At all. There is much to be said in favour of modern journalism. By giving us the opinions of the uneducated, it keeps us in touch with the ignorance of the community.-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde |

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
4905
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Posted - 2013.04.27 19:34:00 -
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Judge Magister Zeiram wrote:I Ladar is low sec/null exclusive
And again. I guess the cloud I grabbed last week was just imaginary. Lime Mykoserocin now selling in Rens. There is much to be said in favour of modern journalism. By giving us the opinions of the uneducated, it keeps us in touch with the ignorance of the community.-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde |

Sarmatiko
1056
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Posted - 2013.04.27 19:35:00 -
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Judge Magister Zeiram wrote:Am I missing something? Yes. You are in University, so go educate yourself on the matter.
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Sipphakta en Gravonere
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
16
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Posted - 2013.04.27 19:48:00 -
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Judge Magister Zeiram wrote: Magnetometric sites are mostly useless salvage. The same junk you can get from any wreck.
Wrong. Mag sites are one of the major sources for T2 loot.
Quote: Gravimetric sites are useless to anyone, but miners. And even then, since they have no non-high sec ores they aren't particularly any better than standard belts.
Wrong. Grav sites can contain any ore.
Quote: Wormholes are useless to anyone uninterested in wormhole space development, ladar or who aren't highly skilled players in extremely powerful ships seeing as anything worthwhile is guarded by Sleeper armadas.
Wrong. C1s and C2s are not very difficult and can easily be soloed by a 6 month old player.
Quote: Ladar is low sec/null exclusive and represents the only instance where scanning is crucial to mining. But again, they are useless to anyone who isn't a miner. Any ladar miner is capable of scanning down sites themselves so selling coordinates doesn't work in practice.
Wrong. The combat ladar sites don't need any harvesting.
4 out of 5 wrong, you should attend more courses about exploring at E-Uni.
Quote: So now, with the changes in Odyssey, when I finally find that rare radar site I lose most of the goods. And you say I should bring a friend in order to get the most stuff???
This is a MMORPG. As in Massively Multiplayer Online RPG.
Income in Eve should follow the Risk/Reward scheme, higher risk should result in a higher reward. Go to low or nullsec, the payout from the sites there is much higher and you have less competition. |

Michael Stabb
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2013.04.27 19:50:00 -
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Judge Magister Zeiram wrote: In fact, given the fact that you'd have to spend time to find them it is financially more prudent to just mine belts in terms of time vs. gain.
I'd like to nitpick this point. The new gravimetric sites can be found with the onboard scanner, it takes literally no skill at all (in game skill or player skill) to find them. An infant could do it. |

Judge Magister Zeiram
EVE University Ivy League
0
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Posted - 2013.04.27 19:55:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
You don't really know a thing. Especially about Exploration. At all.
I don't know a thing about grav sites, you mean? I have never found a single grav site with anything remarkable. So please, enlighten me. Making empty statements serves no purpose. If you're not going to tell me "what I'm missing", as I requested, why bother to reply at all?
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Judge Magister Zeiram wrote:I Ladar is low sec/null exclusive And again. I guess the cloud I grabbed last week was just imaginary. Lime Mykoserocin now selling in Rens.
I've never seen a ladar in high sec and during the career missions it was stated that they were extremely rare outside of low/null because the empires exhausted them. Either way, it doesn't matter. It's mining all the same.
Sarmatiko wrote:Judge Magister Zeiram wrote:Am I missing something? Yes. You are in University, so go educate yourself on the matter. Relic/data objects (aka Magnetometric/Radar) will spew cans with totally random stuff (including extremely rare and desirable new decryptors). I really dont know how adding something new and valuable (also guaranteed instead of "oh meh, just cleaned Radar site full of NPC's and all cans are empty") can hurt your income. Also you will have less signatures to scan, since Gravimetric (now Ore) sites moving to Anomalies level.
The point is I don't know. Are they promising increased amounts of the current stuff? Or larger numbers of inferior goods with a few good things thrown in if you just so happen to pick them out of the bunch by chance?
I have never found a radar site with nothing. In every case there were four containers; 2 had goods and 2 were either empty or dysfunctional by design. |

Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
1470
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Posted - 2013.04.27 19:59:00 -
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Hedbergite and Haemorphite sites in high-sec will be very sought after soon with the expansion. You guess why! Sovereignty and Population Moulds and water for the sandbox. |

Jantunen the Infernal
O C C U P Y
107
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Posted - 2013.04.27 20:00:00 -
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Judge Magister Zeiram wrote:Magnetometric sites are mostly useless salvage. The same junk you can get from any wreck. Nope, Magnetometrics are actually quite profitable in lower sec areas.
Judge Magister Zeiram wrote:Gravimetric sites are useless to anyone, but miners. And even then, since they have no non-high sec ores they aren't particularly any better than standard belts. In fact, given the fact that you'd have to spend time to find them it is financially more prudent to just mine belts in terms of time vs. gain. Nope, gravimetrics are worth mining. (if you're one of those dirty no good miners that is)
Judge Magister Zeiram wrote:Wormholes are useless to anyone uninterested in wormhole space development, ladar or who aren't highly skilled players in extremely powerful ships seeing as anything worthwhile is guarded by Sleeper armadas. Nope, you can pretty comfortably daytrip to and do lower class WHs even in cheaper ships.
Judge Magister Zeiram wrote:Ladar is low sec/null exclusive and represents the only instance where scanning is crucial to mining. But again, they are useless to anyone who isn't a miner. Any ladar miner is capable of scanning down sites themselves so selling coordinates doesn't work in practice. Nope, Ladars can be profitable and there are also some people who buy bookmarks for them.
Judge Magister Zeiram wrote:Radar sites are the ONLY profitable sites available to "pure" explorers. That is, people who explore for profit only and not as a means to some other end. It can be used to invention, but a non-inventors can make decent ISK selling manifestos and the like. Nope, as mentioned the other sites are quite good as well.
"I've been playing for a little over a month."
Yeah. |

Khamelean
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
76
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Posted - 2013.04.27 20:01:00 -
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OP logic followed to conclusion:
Eve is useless to everyone except people who like spaceship games! |

silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
1468
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Posted - 2013.04.27 20:04:00 -
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Y'all missed the point. Clearly the OP's point is: "EVE is Dying(tm)."
 Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Didn't vote? Then you voted for NulBloc |

Octoven
Phoenix Productions Headshot Gaming
85
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Posted - 2013.04.27 20:06:00 -
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A. There are other sites to scan besides grav, mag, and radar...you can do tons of deadspace sites that ARNT being affected with the change and you may even find a 4/10 and get a pretty valuable drop.
B. You have no clue how scanning is laid out, you have Anomalies and Signatures.. Anoms you can use a scanner with no probes to warp to at 100% signal and signatures must be scanned down with probes. Although grav sites are being taken out of the sig category and placed in anomalies...wormholes will stay in signatures and still require probes.
As CCP Soundwave said, exploring right now consist of scanning down a site, grabbing your combat ship, shooting and blowing **** up, then grabbing your scan ship again and sit at a can and run a module to pick up **** you would get in a mission anyway...this isnt exploring. Exploration requires mystery, the unknown, and not being able to look on a wiki to see what prize you get before you even warp to the damn site.
I like the new hacking system, it provide randomly spread cans with random unknown **** in them that you take a chance to get when you grab them. If you don't like this then you dont like exploring because the essence of exploration is finding the unknown. |

Judge Magister Zeiram
EVE University Ivy League
0
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Posted - 2013.04.27 20:09:00 -
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Spare me the condescending attitudes. Never seen a forum of people so angry for no other reason than anger it.
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Sipphakta en Gravonere
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
17
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Posted - 2013.04.27 20:14:00 -
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Judge Magister Zeiram wrote: Spare me the condescending attitudes. Never seen a forum of people so angry for no other reason than anger it.
You come here, 1 month in the game, and act like you know all about exploration, claiming all sites besides Radar aren't worth doing. What did you expect? You are in a teaching organisation in-game for f*cks sake, they have classes about this stuff, a forum and a wiki. Use the resources given to you, there are no NPCs with big yellow exclamation marks here to tell you what to do. |

silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
1469
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Posted - 2013.04.27 20:14:00 -
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Judge Magister Zeiram wrote: Spare me the condescending attitudes. Never seen a forum of people so angry for no other reason than anger it.
Which what makes it so fun. Angry folks are amusing. Now, can I sneer at you some more? Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Didn't vote? Then you voted for NulBloc |

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
4908
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Posted - 2013.04.27 20:15:00 -
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Judge Magister Zeiram wrote: Spare me the condescending attitudes. Never seen a forum of people so angry for no other reason than anger it.
No. You are too new to be posting opinions about 'facts' when you don't even know the half of it yet.
You will be called out so other new players know not to pay attention to the wrong information. It's for their benefit......and yours.
There is much to be said in favour of modern journalism. By giving us the opinions of the uneducated, it keeps us in touch with the ignorance of the community.-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde |

silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
1470
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Posted - 2013.04.27 20:17:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Judge Magister Zeiram wrote: Spare me the condescending attitudes. Never seen a forum of people so angry for no other reason than anger it.
No. You are too new to be posting opinions about 'facts' when you don't even know the half of it yet. You will be called out so other new players know not to pay attention to the wrong information. It's for their benefit......and yours. Spare the rod and spoil the n00b. Biblical. I like it. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Didn't vote? Then you voted for NulBloc |

Judge Magister Zeiram
EVE University Ivy League
0
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Posted - 2013.04.27 20:55:00 -
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Sipphakta en Gravonere wrote:Judge Magister Zeiram wrote: Spare me the condescending attitudes. Never seen a forum of people so angry for no other reason than anger it.
You come here, 1 month in the game, and act like you know all about exploration, claiming all sites besides Radar aren't worth doing. What did you expect? You are in a teaching organisation in-game for f*cks sake, they have classes about this stuff, a forum and a wiki. Use the resources given to you, there are no NPCs with big yellow exclamation marks here to tell you what to do.
Someone posted something you disagree with. Boo-hoo. Cry me a river.
How is that a valid reason to be disrespectful and condescending?
I have no interest in mining nor do I have any interest in being easy picking for players who higher skills. All sites besides radar are indeed worthless from my perspective. I understand you disagree due to your own particular play style, likes/dislikes, etc., but you can't honestly think anyone who thinks differently than you is worthy of scorn and contempt for no other reason than that they don't share your perspective.
I think there are over the counter medication for Pointless Nerd Rage Syndrome.
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Judge Magister Zeiram wrote: Spare me the condescending attitudes. Never seen a forum of people so angry for no other reason than anger it.
No. You are too new to be posting opinions about 'facts' when you don't even know the half of it yet. You will be called out so other new players know not to pay attention to the wrong information. It's for their benefit......and yours.
The "facts" bit is something you added as nothing I don't recall stating anything I posted was a manual. However, it is all very much true from my perspective in regards to my immediate interests. It's not a matter of anyone disagreeing with or correcting someone. That's all fine and dandy. It's the irrational anger that some people have. You don't find it at all strange for a person to actually get angry at another person's perceived ignorance regarding a video game? A video game. That's kind of immature, don't you think? Or at least indicative of some unresolved psychological issue(s). |

Drunken Bum
141
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Posted - 2013.04.27 21:07:00 -
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Judge Magister Zeiram wrote:Sipphakta en Gravonere wrote:Judge Magister Zeiram wrote: Spare me the condescending attitudes. Never seen a forum of people so angry for no other reason than anger it.
You come here, 1 month in the game, and act like you know all about exploration, claiming all sites besides Radar aren't worth doing. What did you expect? You are in a teaching organisation in-game for f*cks sake, they have classes about this stuff, a forum and a wiki. Use the resources given to you, there are no NPCs with big yellow exclamation marks here to tell you what to do. Someone posted something you disagree with. Boo-hoo. Cry me a river. How is that a valid reason to be disrespectful and condescending? I have no interest in mining nor do I have any interest in being easy picking for players who higher skills. All sites besides radar are indeed worthless from my perspective. I understand you disagree due to your own particular play style, likes/dislikes, etc., but you can't honestly think anyone who thinks differently than you is worthy of scorn and contempt for no other reason than that they don't share your perspective. I think there are over the counter medication for Pointless Nerd Rage Syndrome. Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Judge Magister Zeiram wrote: Spare me the condescending attitudes. Never seen a forum of people so angry for no other reason than anger it.
No. You are too new to be posting opinions about 'facts' when you don't even know the half of it yet. You will be called out so other new players know not to pay attention to the wrong information. It's for their benefit......and yours. The "facts" bit is something you added as nothing I don't recall stating anything I posted was a manual. However, it is all very much true from my perspective in regards to my immediate interests. It's not a matter of anyone disagreeing with or correcting someone. That's all fine and dandy. It's the irrational anger that some people have. You don't find it at all strange for a person to actually get angry at another person's perceived ignorance regarding a video game? A video game. That's kind of immature, don't you think? Or at least indicative of some unresolved psychological issue(s). No need to get your panties in a bunch because you were wrong and it was pointed out. Most people dont take too kindly to listen to others whine, especially when the whiners barely know what they're talking about. Spare some change?-á |

Onyx Nyx
Euphoria Released Verge of Collapse
348
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Posted - 2013.04.27 21:09:00 -
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It is pretty funny that a EVE Uni guy actually is crying over something considered as an improvement to a cumbersome system that makes probing, hacking and salvage more interesting for anyone, new as old, to use.
All but poor Judge Magister Zeiram... Boo-hoo! I kill kittens, and puppies and bunnies. I maim toddlers and teens and then more. |

Sipphakta en Gravonere
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
21
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Posted - 2013.04.27 21:27:00 -
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Judge Magister Zeiram wrote: Someone posted something you disagree with. Boo-hoo. Cry me a river.
Not so much that I disagree with it, your facts were simply wrong.
Quote: I have no interest in mining nor do I have any interest in being easy picking for players who higher skills. All sites besides radar are indeed worthless from my perspective. I understand you disagree due to your own particular play style, likes/dislikes, etc., but you can't honestly think anyone who thinks differently than you is worthy of scorn and contempt for no other reason than that they don't share your perspective.
I think there are over the counter medication for Pointless Nerd Rage Syndrome.
In your OP you make claims that are wrong. You get told that you are wrong, by more than one person. You then proceed to insult these people. I can already see that you are a valuable and worthy addition to any corporation and wish you a bright future in Eve Online.
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Judge Magister Zeiram
EVE University Ivy League
0
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Posted - 2013.04.27 21:30:00 -
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Drunken Bum wrote: No need to get your panties in a bunch because you were wrong and it was pointed out. Most people dont take too kindly to listen to others whine, especially when the whiners barely know what they're talking about.
You're the ones whining. I'm not the one behaving disrespectfully and making condescending remarks because someone posted something I didn't agree with about a video game, of all things.
Certain people (I assume you are one) are angry (for no reason) and you are trying to deflect. What message were you trying to convey in your post? "I know you are, but what am I"? |

Judge Magister Zeiram
EVE University Ivy League
0
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Posted - 2013.04.27 21:32:00 -
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Sipphakta en Gravonere wrote:
In your OP you make claims that are wrong. You get told that you are wrong, by more than one person. You then proceed to insult these people. I can already see that you are a valuable and worthy addition to any corporation and wish you a bright future in Eve Online.
Please quote the insults I've spewed toward "these people". |

silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
1476
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Posted - 2013.04.27 21:32:00 -
[24] - Quote
Judge Magister Zeiram wrote:Drunken Bum wrote: No need to get your panties in a bunch because you were wrong and it was pointed out. Most people dont take too kindly to listen to others whine, especially when the whiners barely know what they're talking about. You're the ones whining. I'm not the one behaving disrespectfully and making condescending remarks because someone posted something I didn't agree with about a video game, of all things. Certain people (I assume you are one) are angry (for no reason) and you are trying to deflect. What message were you trying to convey in your post? "I know you are, but what am I"? Oh, this guy is going to be FUN.

Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Didn't vote? Then you voted for NulBloc |

Sipphakta en Gravonere
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
21
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Posted - 2013.04.27 21:38:00 -
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Judge Magister Zeiram wrote: Please quote the insults I've spewed toward "these people".
Judge Magister Zeiram wrote: ...people so angry... ...Boo-hoo. Cry me a river... ...Pointless Nerd Rage Syndrome... ...irrational anger that some people have... ...kind of immature... ...unresolved psychological issue(s)...
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Uraniae Fehrnah
Viziam Amarr Empire
219
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Posted - 2013.04.27 21:42:00 -
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Mag sites, even in high sec present a nice concentration of salvage, and yes even in high sec they can give you T2 salvage. The high end sites in high sec are easily worth the time, and that value only goes up as you go to low sec and 0.0. Of course being part of exploration it also currently can be very random and potentially have cruddy payouts.
Grav sites provide not only for allowing low sec ores in high sec, but also for allowing you to find ores that aren't present in certain racial regions. Likewise low sec grav sites can have 0.0 ores.
Wormholes don't just lead to Anoikis. Wormholes that cut across to the other side of the galaxy can be rather lucrative in and of themselves for providing trade opportunities as well as allow you, the explorer, to explore a whole other region you might not explore otherwise. I can't tell you how many times I used a wormhole in high sec to pop into areas of low sec or 0.0 for a day of exploring in those areas.
Ladar sites are indeed extremely rare in high sec and ladars in known space are used for booster production. That can be an amazingly profitable business if you know what you are doing. Sure, it's "just another kind of mining" but if you want to get technical so are missions. Some people pop asteroids, some people pop gas clouds, some people pop red crosses, and some people pop other people. All are valid pursuits regardless of if anyone else doesn't like them.
Radar sites can be some of the most profitable sites out there for their relative time and manpower investments, and while I'm not 100% on the upcoming changes with Odyssey if the change of making sure each can has loot in it guaranteed is true, then that is something to be happy about. Very few things in EVE are worse than empty cans.
You didn't even touch on anomalies or combat signatures, which are perfectly valid and profitable options for explorers as well. As a month old player you most likely aren't going to be able to do a 4/10 complex on your own, plain and simple. But the potential rewards are nice enough that working with a friend is still profitable, and once again that all scales up as you get into low sec and 0.0.
Now then, if you are going to call someone out on being rude and condescending to you because you think differently than they do, it seems pretty obvious that you should be able to look back at your original post and see that your statements of worth regarding various activities and sites are exactly the sort of thing you are decrying. Calling certain activities worthless can reasonably lead to the assumption that you also think the people that do those activities are stupid. Doesn't matter if you intended that or not, if they thought you were being rude and condescending in your original post that sort of validates a rude response. Of course, the whole idea that there are ever "valid reasons" to be disrespectful is sketchy from the get go. If there are valid reasons for it...it isn't really disrespectful, it's just the appropriate response.
I get that you don't want to mine or you don't want to pop into wormholes or scoop up salvage or run combat sites. But just think about how much you are hemming yourself in by limiting yourself to such a tiny window of activities. By just doing radar sites you are literally doing only 1/5th of Exploration and arguably only even bothering to compete for 1/5th of the potential ISK from Exploration. Keep in mind that Hacking is considered a mini-profession that is part of the wider profession of Exploration. |

Din Chao
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
220
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Posted - 2013.04.27 21:45:00 -
[27] - Quote
Recruiting standards for E-Uni have really become lax in Kelduum's absence... |

Kalanaja
Dog Nation United ProtoStar Federation
37
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Posted - 2013.04.27 21:56:00 -
[28] - Quote
Din Chao wrote:Recruiting standards for E-Uni have really become lax in Kelduum's absence...
That's an understatement, it all most seems like he's learned nothing at all about the game. I'm surprised he's even capable of scanning anything period. |

Ruskarn Andedare
Lion Investments
151
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Posted - 2013.04.27 21:57:00 -
[29] - Quote
silens vesica wrote:Judge Magister Zeiram wrote:Drunken Bum wrote: No need to get your panties in a bunch because you were wrong and it was pointed out. Most people dont take too kindly to listen to others whine, especially when the whiners barely know what they're talking about. You're the ones whining. I'm not the one behaving disrespectfully and making condescending remarks because someone posted something I didn't agree with about a video game, of all things. Certain people (I assume you are one) are angry (for no reason) and you are trying to deflect. What message were you trying to convey in your post? "I know you are, but what am I"? Oh, this guy is going to be FUN.
Can we keep him and cuddle him and make him learn stuff? |

silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
1480
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Posted - 2013.04.27 22:01:00 -
[30] - Quote
Ruskarn Andedare wrote:silens vesica wrote:Judge Magister Zeiram wrote:Drunken Bum wrote: No need to get your panties in a bunch because you were wrong and it was pointed out. Most people dont take too kindly to listen to others whine, especially when the whiners barely know what they're talking about. You're the ones whining. I'm not the one behaving disrespectfully and making condescending remarks because someone posted something I didn't agree with about a video game, of all things. Certain people (I assume you are one) are angry (for no reason) and you are trying to deflect. What message were you trying to convey in your post? "I know you are, but what am I"? Oh, this guy is going to be FUN. Can we keep him and cuddle him and make him learn stuff? We'll call him George, and hug him and squeeze him and never let him go. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Didn't vote? Then you voted for NulBloc |

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
4914
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Posted - 2013.04.27 22:02:00 -
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Judge Magister Zeiram wrote: However, it is all very much true from my perspective in regards to my immediate interests. It's not a matter of anyone disagreeing with or correcting someone.
I can't imagine how you are still alive if you treat real life this way, with a total disregard of the facts of reality in front of you.
With your attitude when experienced players are trying to give you accurate information.......I honestly think yo should not be playing this game at all. Period. There is much to be said in favour of modern journalism. By giving us the opinions of the uneducated, it keeps us in touch with the ignorance of the community.-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde |

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
4914
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Posted - 2013.04.27 22:03:00 -
[32] - Quote
Drunken Bum wrote: No need to get your panties in a bunch because you were wrong and it was pointed out. Most people dont take too kindly to listen to others whine, especially when the whiners barely know what they're talking about.
I can't believe the guy really. Pretty astonishing is it not ?
We need some Goonies to grief him out of the game, methinks, if he thinks THIS is bad. Just wow. There is much to be said in favour of modern journalism. By giving us the opinions of the uneducated, it keeps us in touch with the ignorance of the community.-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde |

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
4914
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Posted - 2013.04.27 22:05:00 -
[33] - Quote
Judge Magister Zeiram wrote:Drunken Bum wrote: No need to get your panties in a bunch because you were wrong and it was pointed out. Most people dont take too kindly to listen to others whine, especially when the whiners barely know what they're talking about. You're the ones whining. I'm not the one behaving disrespectfully and making condescending remarks because someone posted something I didn't agree with about a video game, of all things. Certain people (I assume you are one) are angry (for no reason) and you are trying to deflect. What message were you trying to convey in your post? "I know you are, but what am I"?
Again, it's not that we are disagreeing because what you type is a matter of opinion. IT is just flat out and clear cut wrong.
With this attitude of yours, you will be griefed out of the game eventually. Better to leave now. There is much to be said in favour of modern journalism. By giving us the opinions of the uneducated, it keeps us in touch with the ignorance of the community.-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde |

Damion Rayne
Rules Of Acquisition Acquisition Of Empire
139
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Posted - 2013.04.27 22:08:00 -
[34] - Quote
As has been stated many times over,
All of your conclusions are wrong. While I feel there is nothing in the next expansion other than "Polish" and "Tweak" and wonder what the blazes CCP is spending their money on (Oh wait, *looks at dust. monuments and a vita application that no one wants) I see the merit in a lot of this polish and tweak. I only want exploration to be building star-gates and exploring brand new star systems, building civilization, etc. Bitter old vet syndrome I have.
Anyway, Pretty much every single point you made was wrong, and you are sorely misinformed about exploration and what the changes can do for new and old players alike. For someone so new who is also in the uni, you should have spoken with your instructors about this before coming on the forums. -DR www.kerbalspaceprogram.com Community Manager |

Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
532
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Posted - 2013.04.27 22:12:00 -
[35] - Quote
Judge Magister Zeiram wrote: Spare me the condescending attitudes. Never seen a forum of people so angry for no other reason than anger it.
Don't be so defensive. If you look past the other posters attitudes you will find a lot of helpful information.
This thread has so much content it may be 'Thread of the Year' and it is only January.
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Drunken Bum
154
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Posted - 2013.04.27 22:15:00 -
[36] - Quote
Judge Magister Zeiram wrote:Drunken Bum wrote: No need to get your panties in a bunch because you were wrong and it was pointed out. Most people dont take too kindly to listen to others whine, especially when the whiners barely know what they're talking about. You're the ones whining. I'm not the one behaving disrespectfully and making condescending remarks because someone posted something I didn't agree with about a video game, of all things. Certain people (I assume you are one) are angry (for no reason) and you are trying to deflect. What message were you trying to convey in your post? "I know you are, but what am I"? The panties. They are bunched so hard.
"Everyone else is obviously just a buncha meanies and I'm right about everything"
You're on a roll OP, please continue. Spare some change?-á |

Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
119
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Posted - 2013.04.27 22:30:00 -
[37] - Quote
Please keep posting, OP. I believe in you.
Everyone here is just posting opinions. They can't stand up to your irrefutable factual arguments.
Don't sink to their level either. They are Ill informed and rude; you came here to instruct, and maintained a patient and thoughtful tone throughout.
Whatever any other troll says in this thread, dear OP, you ARE a special snowflake and they are too dumb to realize it. The truth (which hurts) is that nobody should ever run anything (ANYTHING) other than radar sites because everything else literally makes you gay (not that there is anything wrong with that).
But while I've got your attention, can I ask a quick question? Have you ever played FarmVille? 'Cause for serious, it's a really fun game and I think you should try it out. |

Garresh
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
132
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Posted - 2013.04.27 22:41:00 -
[38] - Quote
They're changing it so that the radar sites won't require combat ships anymore, which is a BUFF to exploration.
And while I can't confirm this, my understanding/theory of the new system is that for solo players, your profits won't change. Meanwhile, if you or I bring our friends along to explore WITH us, it's no longer a waste of time and a huge cut to profits. Overall, an interesting change as far as I'm concerned. This Space Intentionally Left Blank |

Elizze Scoggins
Cut-throat Imperial Economic Agenda
1
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Posted - 2013.04.27 22:52:00 -
[39] - Quote
Suprised the Uni have not closed the OP down yet? |

Setaceous
Nexus Prima
39
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Posted - 2013.04.27 23:01:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: I can't imagine how you are still alive if you treat real life this way, with a total disregard of the facts of reality in front of you.
Maybe he's a politician. |

Praetor Meles
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
55
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Posted - 2013.04.27 23:09:00 -
[41] - Quote
Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog wrote:Please keep posting, OP. I believe in you.
Everyone here is just posting opinions. They can't stand up to your irrefutable factual arguments.
Don't sink to their level either. They are Ill informed and rude; you came here to instruct, and maintained a patient and thoughtful tone throughout.
Whatever any other troll says in this thread, dear OP, you ARE a special snowflake and they are too dumb to realize it. The truth (which hurts) is that nobody should ever run anything (ANYTHING) other than radar sites because everything else literally makes you gay (not that there is anything wrong with that).
But while I've got your attention, can I ask a quick question? Have you ever played FarmVille? 'Cause for serious, it's a really fun game and I think you should try it out.
Once again, I cannot plus one this strongly enough. Almost broke my mouse mashing the clicky button thing. [insert random rubbish that irritates you personally] is further evidence that Eve is dying/thriving*
* delete as required to make your point |

Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting Home Front Coalition
430
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Posted - 2013.04.28 00:40:00 -
[42] - Quote
My BPC collection is crying right now. |

Arronicus
Shadows of Vorlon The Marmite Collective
582
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Posted - 2013.04.28 00:59:00 -
[43] - Quote
Posting in an uneducated wah-wah thread where the OP has no idea what he is talking about. Ladar are not low/null exclusive, grav aren't highsec ores only, mag aren't -always- worthless, and w-space signatures are easy to ignore once you get decent probing skills. Not to mention you won't use probes to find gravs anymore, so it will be super easy to exclude them, via running a ship scan, and ignoring all their signatures, prior to running your probes.
/thread |

Arronicus
Shadows of Vorlon The Marmite Collective
582
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Posted - 2013.04.28 01:01:00 -
[44] - Quote
Din Chao wrote:Recruiting standards for E-Uni have really become lax in Kelduum's absence...
It's actually an open door policy now. If you have an active account, and a little patience, you can join, apparently. I mean, they let THIS guy in. |

Xearal
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
565
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Posted - 2013.04.28 01:54:00 -
[45] - Quote
Wow.. a newbie without a clue.. that's new... OP, please go do your homework in the Eve Uni, read about exploration before biting it, THEN come back and cry about how it's made so terribad that it sucks now in odessy.. meanwhile, I think I will go scan down some more grav sites for my fellow corp mates who are miners, and love it when I find all those nice and juicy Large Hedbergite/Hemorphite sites for them that are twice as profitable as mining any high sec ore, or send my alt to clean out that gas site that will net me a nice 50-60M in about an hour of gas mining while I continue exploring, Oh, and I got lucky today.. I found a nice 4/10 combat site, final drop, 600M worth of dedspace loot. But wait.. there's more.. if you scan NOW.. you will find a mag site with T2 BPCs which are of higher quality than the BPCs generally made with invention, so they are cheaper to produce things with than the normal method of making those valuable Tech 2 rigs.. and hey.. if you probe NOW, there's even MORE.. not only can you get those juicy BPCs, you will ALSO be able to get the T2 salvage that you need to build those highly profitable T2 rig BPCs! Isn't that just amazing?
I love the new scanning system in oddessy, no more the 'probes out, scan down, check wiki, warp in, activate module, get reward', now it's actually you know.. UNKNOWN what I'm going to discover.. Which really is the beauty of exploration, and why I love it so much than boring mission, which is just.. pickup mission, do mission, turn in mission, rinse repeat. Exploration you just undock and GO.. no specific direction, except destination unknown, encounters on the way, unknown. It's the space adventure that every kid dreams of when he wants to be an astronaut.
Now, can you please be nice and admit you are wrong and clueless?
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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
1499
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Posted - 2013.04.28 02:39:00 -
[46] - Quote
Damion Rayne wrote:
All of your conclusions are wrong.
All your conclusion are belong to us.
Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Didn't vote? Then you voted for NulBloc |

Kern Hotha
31
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Posted - 2013.04.28 04:08:00 -
[47] - Quote
Judge Magister Zeiram wrote:Am I missing something?
You are missing experience and knowledge. You busted in the door with a heavy foot and yelled pretty loudly, though.
Middle age is when your broad mind and narrow waist begin to change places. -E. Joseph Cossman |

Angang Ostus
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
40
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Posted - 2013.04.28 06:25:00 -
[48] - Quote
Love this game. nOOb got outta line and got roflstomped. Holmes does not know what he's dealing with. He was like oh these guys are biting, F it I'll troll em. Then he got that cold sweat when he realized he put his name out there to be griefed by anyone who wants to teach him a lesson, which is probably anyone that reads this thread, including me. But OP if you're reading this it's all emergent gameplay baby! Enjoy it! |

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
4959
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Posted - 2013.04.28 13:15:00 -
[49] - Quote
Angang Ostus wrote:Love this game. nOOb got outta line and got roflstomped. Holmes does not know what he's dealing with. He was like oh these guys are biting, F it I'll troll em. Then he got that cold sweat when he realized he put his name out there to be griefed by anyone who wants to teach him a lesson, which is probably anyone that reads this thread, including me. But OP if you're reading this it's all emergent gameplay baby! Enjoy it!
He seems to have vanished after my post mentioning the Goons need to get ahold of him. There is much to be said in favour of modern journalism. By giving us the opinions of the uneducated, it keeps us in touch with the ignorance of the community.-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde |
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