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Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
640
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Posted - 2013.04.28 11:57:00 -
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Looks like a decent enough spread for the coming term which is hopefully going to be focused on LowSec/Piracy and Null Sovereignty.
Edit: I'll second the claim that the "Get out and Vote" efforts were insufficient. Links should be plastered all over the damn place; stickys in all forum subsections, press releases to gaming media, newsletters, MoTD in local chat even!
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Zappity
Kurved Space
43
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Posted - 2013.04.28 11:59:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Zappity wrote:STV is good. CCP getting out the vote? Very, very bad... Hoping for much more next year. That was the most CCP had ever done to get people to vote, by a long shot. Oh I don't know, Incarna was a pretty epic effort in that respect.
Well, I'm certainly glad they didn't go THAT far!
Interesting role model in your sig. I take it you know what happened to his kingdom... Hooray, I'm l33t! -á(Kil2: "The higher their ship losses...the better they're going to be.") |
Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries Solar Assault Fleet
475
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Posted - 2013.04.28 12:23:00 -
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I'm happy to see 2 of my top 3 ending up on the CSM.
And looking over the results I think it's going to be good resource for CCP and in the end for us.
CCP Eterne: Silly player, ALL devs are evil. CCP (aka Judge) Peligro: I will find your main.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
8915
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Posted - 2013.04.28 12:30:00 -
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Zappity wrote:Malcanis wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Zappity wrote:STV is good. CCP getting out the vote? Very, very bad... Hoping for much more next year. That was the most CCP had ever done to get people to vote, by a long shot. Oh I don't know, Incarna was a pretty epic effort in that respect. Well, I'm certainly glad they didn't go THAT far! Interesting role model in your sig. I take it you know what happened to his kingdom...
All i know is that he became a synonym for wisdom and he had over 1000 girlfriends.
1 Kings 12:11
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Dilbert HighSeed
Pirannha Corp
20
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Posted - 2013.04.28 12:39:00 -
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The vote was down for a number of reasons:
1. The mechanics of this "voting" system, if you can call it that, are a disaster. Enough people have commented on that.
2. Many people I imagine recognized that this system was geared to produce the result we got: a massive amount of people elected who are NOT interested in improving the game, but only motivated in increasing the income streams the for null sec cartels. Given the enormous amount of these streams today, one can only wonder if the motivation for goes beyond "ingame" uses of the cash.
3. The goons plastered over high sec a poster designed to suppress the high sec vote, where they broke the EULA and impersonated CCP, using the CCP logo, and it may have worked.
I am sure that all the graphs and spin that CCP will provide tomorrow will try to bury the fact that not only was the raw vote down 16% over last year, but the vote as a percentage of the overall electorate was down even more dramatically.
CCP, the electorate has spoken. They are tired of the gerrymandering and pandering to the null sec contingent, and the fact that the CSM is viewed quite rightly so as merely a lobbying instrument for the null sec cartels.
Until CCP actually has the CSM made up of people that more accurately represent the demographics of its customer base, the CSM will be viewed with the contempt that the player base demonstrated yet again by NOT voting. |
DoToo Foo
Foo Technologies
1
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Posted - 2013.04.28 13:47:00 -
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Congratulations to the incoming CSM.
For problems to fix : the unnecessary confusion over the qualifying round; the lack of need for a qualifying round, and the inability to 'vote above the line' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Group_voting_ticket).
Potentially allow candidates to provide a 'ticket' so that you can choose a primary candidate and are presented with a valid but non-binding voting recommendation.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
8918
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Posted - 2013.04.28 14:07:00 -
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Dilbert HighSeed wrote:The vote was down for a number of reasons:
1. The mechanics of this "voting" system, if you can call it that, are a disaster. Enough people have commented on that.
2. Many people I imagine recognized that this system was geared to produce the result we got: a massive amount of people elected who are NOT interested in improving the game, but only motivated in increasing the income streams the for null sec cartels. Given the enormous amount of these streams today, one can only wonder if the motivation for goes beyond "ingame" uses of the cash.
3. The goons plastered over high sec a poster designed to suppress the high sec vote, where they broke the EULA and impersonated CCP, using the CCP logo, and it may have worked.
I am sure that all the graphs and spin that CCP will provide tomorrow will try to bury the fact that not only was the raw vote down 16% over last year, but the vote as a percentage of the overall electorate was down even more dramatically.
CCP, the electorate has spoken. They are tired of the gerrymandering and pandering to the null sec contingent, and the fact that the CSM is viewed quite rightly so as merely a lobbying instrument for the null sec cartels.
Until CCP actually has the CSM made up of people that more accurately represent the demographics of its customer base, the CSM will be viewed with the contempt that the player base demonstrated yet again by NOT voting.
Of the people that ran, who do you think failed to get elected that would have been under a "fair" system?
1 Kings 12:11
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
8918
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Posted - 2013.04.28 14:11:00 -
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Also how can you, in all justice, complain about Goons telling hi-sec players not to vote when you spent the entire electio doing exactly the same thing?
1 Kings 12:11
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Pelea Ming
Prostitutes Are Always Wlling
194
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Posted - 2013.04.28 14:26:00 -
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Wiu Ming wrote:"This drop in voting has provided us with a new perspective on CSM interest from the playerbase..." then goes on to list some inane reasons as to why people didn't vote. I personally didn't vote because of the new STV system - it's horseshit imo and I don't have the time or the inclination to go through every. single. nominee. and *rank* them in order. Are you f**king kidding me?? It's time-consuming enough to go through the list and the matching programs etc. to pick just one. you do realize that you didn't have to vote for any more of them then you wanted to, correct? I mean, personally, I only voted for the 3 I most wanted to see make it, in the order I felt appropriate. |
stoicfaux
2627
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Posted - 2013.04.28 14:36:00 -
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Dilbert HighSeed wrote:
3. The goons plastered over high sec a poster designed to suppress the high sec vote, where they broke the EULA and impersonated CCP, using the CCP logo, and it may have worked.
Eh? Seriously? Any details on this? If this really happened then I would be surprised that no one posted about it on the forums. Or it would mean that no one in the affected high-sec areas haunts the forums, which would be equally surprising.
/pics-or-it-didn't-happen
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Frying Doom
2421
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Posted - 2013.04.28 14:47:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:Dilbert HighSeed wrote:
3. The goons plastered over high sec a poster designed to suppress the high sec vote, where they broke the EULA and impersonated CCP, using the CCP logo, and it may have worked.
Eh? Seriously? Any details on this? If this really happened then I would be surprised that no one posted about it on the forums. Or it would mean that no one in the affected high-sec areas haunts the forums, which would be equally surprising. /pics-or-it-didn't-happen It did happen, there is a thread about it in Jita park.
It also has the goon bee in the corner.
But vote scamming is perfectly legal. Any spelling and grammatical errors are because frankly, I don't care!! |
stoicfaux
2627
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Posted - 2013.04.28 14:51:00 -
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Sofia Wolf wrote:Kadl wrote:I see you are continuing the fiction of the "peace time council." I had two friends not vote for the first time this year. It was directly related to the complicated voting method and problems with the system. They gave up after trying. I like STV, but not the method of voting presented. I find it hard to believe anybody capable enough to handle eve interface and game play would be unable to handle this CSM vote mechanics. Meh. IMO, the voting interface was excessively clumsy, not complicated. Personally, I had to have two windows open when voting, one for the ballot and one with the list of candidates and their positions. When I picked a candidate I liked, I had to copy the name and do a text search in the ballot window because, IIRC, one page was sorted by char name and the other by player name.
Having to drag a pick from the bottom of the ballot and relying on the page to automatically scroll up was slow (slow == tedious.)[1] And several times when I drag n' dropped a candidate, it was in the wrong place and changed my voting order.
Long story short, there's a lot of room for improving the ballot interface, especially for the younger generation of players who probably have higher expectations and less patience about UIs than us old farts do.
[1] Fortunately, there's a technical solution now that I have a 27" monitor that can swivel vertically to display a single web page as a 24" long page.
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Nicen Jehr
Swarm Federation
187
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Posted - 2013.04.28 15:03:00 -
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@CCP Dolan Could you explain these two columns?
Quote:voters as % of subscribers % of subscribers I want to know what percentage of US players cast a vote. Little Things to improve GëíGïüGëí-á| My Little Things posts |
Nicen Jehr
Swarm Federation
187
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Posted - 2013.04.28 15:05:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:IIRC, one page was sorted by char name and the other by player name ...Having to drag a pick from the bottom of the ballot and relying on the page to automatically scroll up was slow
they randomized it to avoid biasing the top names idea: doubleclick on candidate to append to next available slot Little Things to improve GëíGïüGëí-á| My Little Things posts |
Kadl
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
19
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Posted - 2013.04.28 17:22:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Kadl wrote:I see you are continuing the fiction of the "peace time council." I had two friends not vote for the first time this year. It was directly related to the complicated voting method and problems with the system. They gave up after trying. I like STV, but not the method of voting presented. What stopped them from just picking one guy they wanted to get in and voting for him?
I will try to recall the conversation from two weeks ago in hopes that your comment was not a mere dismissal of the problems.
I think one of them had problems finding the voting site and gave up at that point. He has found the website before and voted, but this time the Eve website maze caught him. This indicates that CCP could have increased the vote with more advertising with links.
The second person found the website, and wanted to try out STV voting. He claims he filled out a ballot and that the system would not accept it. Since I was not there I cannot give a detailed analysis of the actual UI failure.
I found the system to be difficult to use. The computer I was working on had a limited amount of space for the ballot. I had to move people to the top of the selection list and then I had to move them into the ballot at the right position. The system felt odd and clunky. I am certain that part of that feeling is the STV system which I have not used before.
Simply put I do not believe that an approximately 15% turnout and 15% drop in voter participation is good news or part of a peace time council. CCP seems to stumble around on UI design, and as I recall the ballot system was put together quickly. It is funny to think of all the worry and theory crafting on the "best" and "most fair" voting system when the voter turnout is so abysmal. I like the idea of an STV system, and was glad to see one in action. Hopefully next year they will smooth out the process, do more advertising and can happily cheer at an increase in voter turn out. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
8930
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Posted - 2013.04.28 18:01:00 -
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Kadl wrote:[quote=Malcanis]It is funny to think of all the worry and theory crafting on the "best" and "most fair" voting system when the voter turnout is so abysmal...
No argument from me on this.
As for the voting issues, that's good feedback.
1 Kings 12:11
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Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
1169
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Posted - 2013.04.28 18:36:00 -
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Well done to all those who got elected.
I wish you all an enjoyable and successful term in office. This is not a signature. |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
956
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Posted - 2013.04.28 18:36:00 -
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There is a simply way to fix the poor voter turnout: COMPULSORY SUFFERAGE An' then [email protected], he come scramblin outta theTerminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system'scrashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children' |
Dalilus
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
29
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Posted - 2013.04.28 18:54:00 -
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congratulations. well done. yay. woop, woop.
another csm filled to the brim with nullbears and toons that think like they do.
yawn.
how much will they try to nerf high sec this time? let me guess, the following expansions will also only benefit the nullbears and toons that like their playing style? |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
1338
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Posted - 2013.04.28 19:06:00 -
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Dalilus wrote:congratulations. well done. yay. woop, woop.
another csm filled to the brim with nullbears and toons that think like they do.
yawn.
how much will they try to nerf high sec this time? let me guess, the following expansions will also only benefit the nullbears and toons that like their playing style?
Did you vote? Steve Ronuken for CSM 9!-á I'm starting early :) Handy tools and an SDE conversion Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter |
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SPIONKOP
KILL A CULT
5
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Posted - 2013.04.28 20:19:00 -
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I do hope CSM8 also becomes known as CSM (Last) as its a rather pointless exercise.
With the majority of income CCP receive funding free to play PlayStation Dust players the future direction of Eve will be around Dust and not Eve. It will be Dust players that control the future direction / investment / content within Eve not some silly little CSM.
For those that won have a nice jolly but remember it wont make any difference.
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Zappity
Kurved Space
45
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Posted - 2013.04.28 20:58:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Zappity wrote:Malcanis wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Zappity wrote:STV is good. CCP getting out the vote? Very, very bad... Hoping for much more next year. That was the most CCP had ever done to get people to vote, by a long shot. Oh I don't know, Incarna was a pretty epic effort in that respect. Well, I'm certainly glad they didn't go THAT far! Interesting role model in your sig. I take it you know what happened to his kingdom... All i know is that he became a synonym for wisdom and he had over 1000 girlfriends.
You're thinking of his father. This guy listened to his mates instead of the older ones who actually knew what was going on and lost most of his kingdom as a result. Probably not the look you're going for. Hooray, I'm l33t! -á(Kil2: "The higher their ship losses...the better they're going to be.") |
Zappity
Kurved Space
45
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Posted - 2013.04.28 21:03:00 -
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I can't understand all this complaining about the voting system. Anyone who can manage to correctly fit a ship and actually use it in EVE shouldn't be overly challenged by a drag 'n drop interface. Not exactly rocket science.
Admittedly it is more difficult to successfully organise than 'click da link and vote for Mittani' so perhaps that's where the angst is coming from.
But anyone who thinks null (and low) don't need the focus this year actually needs to visit these places. Hooray, I'm l33t! -á(Kil2: "The higher their ship losses...the better they're going to be.") |
Ashlar Vellum
Esquire Armaments
26
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Posted - 2013.04.28 23:01:00 -
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I voted from nowhere apparently. |
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1261
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Posted - 2013.04.29 05:04:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:There is a simply way to fix the poor voter turnout: COMPULSORY SUFFERAGE
A great idea, if the image of GM's having to deal with more angry "I can't log in" petitions than votes gets you all excited. "Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread[" |
IDGAD
The rent is too damnn high
1
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Posted - 2013.04.29 05:33:00 -
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Hahaha it's amusing that so many of you argue about a "fair" voting system when the voting rate is near rock bottom. Do you want to know WHY voting is near null? It's because the same people constantly get voted in due to it being much easier to have alliance mates vote in their master than it is to actually convince random people to vote for you. What it comes down to is the number of votes, and it is far easier to get the votes of those already loyal to you, so the same people will always win as long as they remain in power. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
8943
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Posted - 2013.04.29 10:41:00 -
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SPIONKOP wrote:I do hope CSM8 also becomes known as CSM (Last) as its a rather pointless exercise.
With the majority of income CCP receive funding free to play PlayStation Dust players the future direction of Eve will be around Dust and not Eve. It will be Dust players that control the future direction / investment / content within Eve not some silly little CSM.
For those that won have a nice jolly but remember it wont make any difference.
You've obviously not heard about the CPM.
It's OK though, at least you have your looks to carry you though life.
1 Kings 12:11
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
8943
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Posted - 2013.04.29 10:42:00 -
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IDGAD wrote:Hahaha it's amusing that so many of you argue about a "fair" voting system when the voting rate is near rock bottom. Do you want to know WHY voting is near null? It's because the same people constantly get voted in due to it being much easier to have alliance mates vote in their master than it is to actually convince random people to vote for you. What it comes down to is the number of votes, and it is far easier to get the votes of those already loyal to you, so the same people will always win as long as they remain in power.
So what you're saying is that people don't vote because they didn't win when they didn't vote last time?
Maybe CCP will run the election on opposite day next year, and break this deadlock.
1 Kings 12:11
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Terrorfrodo
Renegade Hobbits for Mordor
429
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Posted - 2013.04.29 10:48:00 -
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Maybe the disenfranchised 10k voters of last year were also an issue. Although hisec forumbears believe otherwise, The Mittani got a lot of votes from people not affiliated with Goons and not even living in null, including one of mine. Some people may not have bothered to vote after their vote was just thrown into the trash bin last time. . |
Vincent Gaines
Cold Moon Destruction Transmission Lost
391
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Posted - 2013.04.29 12:18:00 -
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Congrats to the winners.
Note to one of those that didn't win: pissing off 400 of your supporters right before voting is generally considered a bad idea. Not a diplo.-á
The above post was edited for spelling. |
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