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None ofthe Above
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Posted - 2013.04.30 16:19:00 -
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Erik Finnegan wrote:So 7000 accounts less than 30 days old. It's even the biggest age group. All created for the election ?
What? That makes no sense...
.. oh I see where you are getting that and your misunderstanding.
That's 7768 voting characters between 30 and 250 days old. Characters less than 30 days old are not allowed to vote.
From my experience last year, age here is date past activation, btw. I had one alt that had been created > 30 days but activated <30 days at election time in the last election and could not vote. I petitioned it based on the creation date, and was clarified. I hope you voted, you glorious but often apathetic bastards! STV working as intended; Pre-elections and Get out the Vote, room for improvement. |
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CCP Dolan
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2013.04.30 21:02:00 -
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Still experiencing some technical difficulties formatting all this stuff into our dev blog system. I apologize for the delay. CCP Dolan | Community Representative
Twitter: @CCPDolan
Gooby pls |
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Shingorash
S T R A T C O M Critical-Mass
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Posted - 2013.04.30 21:07:00 -
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None ofthe Above wrote:Erik Finnegan wrote:So 7000 accounts less than 30 days old. It's even the biggest age group. All created for the election ? What? That makes no sense... .. .oh I see where you are getting that and your misunderstanding. That's 7768 voting accounts between 30 and 250 days old. Accounts less than 30 days old are not allowed to vote. From my experience last year, age here is date past activation, btw. I had one alt account that had been created > 30 days but activated <30 days at election time in the last election and could not vote. I petitioned it based on the creation date, and was clarified.
It should be 1 vote per person, not 1 vote per account. How you would police that though is anyone's guess.
Your other comment about in game voting though I think is a good idea. |
June Ting
Valkyries of Night Of Sound Mind
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Posted - 2013.04.30 22:34:00 -
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CCP Dolan wrote:Still experiencing some technical difficulties formatting all this stuff into our dev blog system. I apologize for the delay. Thanks for the effort! Any chance of getting the raw .blt file uploaded so that people can poke at it, even if your writeup is delayed? Proud independent player and member of Provibloc. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
9034
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Posted - 2013.05.01 09:30:00 -
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Erik Finnegan wrote:So 7000 accounts less than 30 days old. It's even the biggest age group. All created for the election ?
That's right. Not a single genuine new player from the period of EVE's greatest ever subscriber growth voted. It was all alts specially created.
Created by the mysterious Mike Azariah... if that is his real name.
1 Kings 12:11
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
9034
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Posted - 2013.05.01 09:31:00 -
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This making **** up lark is fun. Every time I see someone making **** up about the CSM, my reply to them will also be composed of **** I made up.
Your CSM: Communicating to you!
1 Kings 12:11
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2013.05.01 09:34:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Rengerel en Distel wrote:Frying Doom wrote:CCP Dolan wrote:We are going to delay the publishing of the CCP Veritas stats Dev Blog by a day. We have some more graphs that we would like to add. Is it possible ETA on this? I think within one day of when he posted that would be the ETA, since that's the "E". I bow in the presence of one that could humble Einstein.
Your Factslexia is getting worse mate.
1 Kings 12:11
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Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1276
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Posted - 2013.05.01 09:35:00 -
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That sounds suspiciously like something a reptillian would do, Malcanis. Would you care to comment on that? "Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread[" |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
9034
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Posted - 2013.05.01 09:35:00 -
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Snow Axe wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Good to see you are now such a strong supporter of STV now that you know it helps the null candidates. Ahh, Frying Doom logic. I'm not screaming that STV is solely responsible for a drop in votes, so I must be supporting it! I'll spoil something for you: literally any voting system is going to be good for an organized bloc. We can make pretty much whatever work in our favour. STV, FPTP, anything. Doesn't matter. STV makes the organization easier, sure, but I'm not the one doing said organization so I truly couldn't give a ****. Personally my opinion is unchanged from those quotes - it's still way too early for STV. That beign said, STV has been chosen and, given this is CCP, it's not going to change, certainly not back to FPTP, and we certainly won't see any reversion in how the chair is chosen or how the Iceland seats are chosen either (which honestly are the truly damaging parts of the equation, far moreso than STV). What I am saying, though, is that your myopic focus on STV is wrong. Was it a net positive? That's up for debate. CSM 7's failure to promote themselves and CCP's failure to promote the CSM in general is what caused the drop, not the voting system, no matter how much you want that to be.
All voting systems are grossly biased towards people who vote.
1 Kings 12:11
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2013.05.01 09:35:00 -
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Snow Axe wrote:That sounds suspiciously like something a reptillian would do, Malcanis. Would you care to comment on that?
Yessss~~
1 Kings 12:11
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DJ P0N-3
Table Flippendeavors
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Posted - 2013.05.01 14:47:00 -
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Well. That sure was something.
It feels like CCP has taken a hands-off approach to the CSM in public. If you want to increase voter turnout next year, you need to start now. Make CSM 8 more visible. Give them somewhere easy to find to amalgamate their blogs or answer questions. JPSC and Assembly Hall don't cut it. It takes a lot of effort to chase down everyone's blog/twitter/lifejournal/myplace and try to piece together what is going on in the CSM and whether or not I should care. Make it easier. Use it to promote your single-sign-in stuff.
The devblog with various employees' testimonials re: the CSM needs to be published when the elections are announced, not partway through the voting period. The voting interface was clunky this year, especially if you were using a small screen. The lessons learned from this year have to be applied.
Finally, the sentiment that CCP's relationship to the CSM should not go past the login page in terms of advertisement is not helping. That is the most critical area. That is where you will finally reach the people who don't spend their out-of-game time on blogs and forums and sites. That screen in the CQ and billboards can be put to use. Right now CCP talks about the CSM three times a year. That isn't enough if you want people to care enough to vote. |
Fade Toblack
Per.ly The 20 Minuters
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Posted - 2013.05.01 14:52:00 -
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CCP Dolan wrote:Still experiencing some technical difficulties formatting all this stuff into our dev blog system. I apologize for the delay.
A delay?
The devblog says:
Quote: We will be publishing all of the ballots cast in this year's election along with a myriad of graphs and info in a Dev Blog by CCP Veritas on Monday April, 27th.
So personally I wasn't expecting anything before 2015...
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Swidgen
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.05.01 18:07:00 -
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DJ P0N-3 wrote:If you want to increase voter turnout next year, you need to start now. Maybe a lot of people, such as myself, have come to the conclusion that the CSM is an irrelevant CCP Public Relations tool that doesn't matter one whit in the larger scheme of things. There is nothing short of discounted game time that could convince me to waste a single second of my time with the voting process. It just doesn't matter.
I decided to have a look at the last page of this thread just to see why it kept getting bigger and bigger (yeah, that's what she said etc etc). Color me totally non-shocked to see CCP failing yet again to deliver a promised item on time. |
Ali Aras
Valkyries of Night Of Sound Mind
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Posted - 2013.05.01 20:23:00 -
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Swidgen wrote:DJ P0N-3 wrote:If you want to increase voter turnout next year, you need to start now. Maybe a lot of people, such as myself, have come to the conclusion that the CSM is an irrelevant CCP Public Relations tool that doesn't matter one whit in the larger scheme of things. There is nothing short of discounted game time that could convince me to waste a single second of my time with the voting process. It just doesn't matter. What evidence or actions (on the part of CCP or the CSM) would change that belief for you? Because that's something I've heard a few times and it's a perception I'd like to see changed, if possible. I disagree, I think CCP disagrees, and I think changing it would do a lot to help turnout and participation.
Ali Aras for CSM8 Warp to Sun (my blog) |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
974
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Posted - 2013.05.01 20:41:00 -
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Fade Toblack wrote:CCP Dolan wrote:Still experiencing some technical difficulties formatting all this stuff into our dev blog system. I apologize for the delay. A delay? The devblog says: Quote: We will be publishing all of the ballots cast in this year's election along with a myriad of graphs and info in a Dev Blog by CCP Veritas on Monday April, 27th. So personally I wasn't expecting anything before 2015...
Thats what I figured too when I first looked at it & checked my calendar for the next Monday April 27th An' then [email protected], he come scramblin outta theTerminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system'scrashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children' |
Sieg oder Valhalla
The Advent of Faith
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Posted - 2013.05.01 23:04:00 -
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I hope this failure to follow through isn't a foreshadowing for Odyssey.
And while we're on the subject, when can we expect the 2013 fanfest sessions to be up on YouTube? They were up within days after last year's ended. |
Frying Doom
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Posted - 2013.05.01 23:18:00 -
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CCP Dolan wrote:Still experiencing some technical difficulties formatting all this stuff into our dev blog system. I apologize for the delay. 26 hours later.
So still formatting? Any spelling and grammatical errors are because frankly, I don't care!! |
Rengerel en Distel
Amarr Science and Industry
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Posted - 2013.05.01 23:20:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:CCP Dolan wrote:Still experiencing some technical difficulties formatting all this stuff into our dev blog system. I apologize for the delay. 26 hours later. So still formatting?
Today was a holiday there, so can't really expect much from them when they're not actually at work. It's amazing they get anything done with the amount of holidays and vacations they get.
With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.
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Frying Doom
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Posted - 2013.05.01 23:24:00 -
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Rengerel en Distel wrote:Frying Doom wrote:CCP Dolan wrote:Still experiencing some technical difficulties formatting all this stuff into our dev blog system. I apologize for the delay. 26 hours later. So still formatting? Today was a holiday there, so can't really expect much from them when they're not actually at work. It's amazing they get anything done with the amount of holidays and vacations they get. Yes your right apparently it is Labour day, so another day with no file or dev blog.
If they had released that file on Monday as they originally stated, we would know more about the election than I would even want to know by now. Any spelling and grammatical errors are because frankly, I don't care!! |
stoicfaux
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Posted - 2013.05.02 01:15:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Erik Finnegan wrote:So 7000 accounts less than 30 days old. It's even the biggest age group. All created for the election ? That's right. Not a single genuine new player from the period of EVE's greatest ever subscriber growth voted. It was all alts specially created. Close. The insane profits from the tech monopoly/cartel was used to buy a oodles of PLEXes which were used to create alt voting accounts. This served a two-fold purpose: first, it allowed for ballot box stuffing, and second, it inflated CCP's sub numbers which gave CCP a false sense of income, which lead to CCP spending that income, which then enabled the Goons to say "either do what we want, or we drop all those 'new' subs".
Well, it was a good conspiracy theory until CCP revamped the moon goo in Odyssey. Hrmph.
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stoicfaux
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Posted - 2013.05.02 01:19:00 -
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President of Spaceships wrote:Congratulations to the Council. I will do my best to get along with my fellow elected officials. As for the Goon vote suppression, that was definitely a thing that happened. See here. On the one hand, the use of the CCP brand makes it a little across-the-line because, while vote-scamming is legal, I'm pretty sure that impersonating the developers to gain an advantage is not (much like cutting the power to someone's house is not). On the other hand, I think it's more satire than actual voter suppression. Anyone who fell for that definitely has bigger problems than not being represented on the CSM. Heh, that is funny. However, CCP cannot let people abuse the CCP "brand" or otherwise undermine CCP's reputation and/or authority. That's just asking for trouble.
I would expect those involved to get dinged for violating rule 8 of the ToS: "You may not impersonate or present yourself to be a representative of CCP or an EVE Online volunteer."
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Frying Doom
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Posted - 2013.05.02 05:02:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:Heh, that is funny. However, CCP cannot let people abuse the CCP "brand" or otherwise undermine CCP's reputation and/or authority. That's just asking for trouble.
I would expect those involved to get dinged for violating rule 8 of the ToS: "You may not impersonate or present yourself to be a representative of CCP or an EVE Online volunteer."
I don't think anything will be done, at all, nor do I think the rules will be altered to prevent this from occurring again. Any spelling and grammatical errors are because frankly, I don't care!! |
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.02 05:22:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:Heh, that is funny. However, CCP cannot let people abuse the CCP "brand" or otherwise undermine CCP's reputation and/or authority. That's just asking for trouble.
I would expect those involved to get dinged for violating rule 8 of the ToS: "You may not impersonate or present yourself to be a representative of CCP or an EVE Online volunteer."
Unless whoever posted it explicitly said they were a CCP staffer or CCP volunteer, that won't happen. The image isn't enough (especially when you take into account the GSF bee in the bottom left corner). "Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread[" |
Frying Doom
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Posted - 2013.05.02 09:16:00 -
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Snow Axe wrote:stoicfaux wrote:Heh, that is funny. However, CCP cannot let people abuse the CCP "brand" or otherwise undermine CCP's reputation and/or authority. That's just asking for trouble.
I would expect those involved to get dinged for violating rule 8 of the ToS: "You may not impersonate or present yourself to be a representative of CCP or an EVE Online volunteer." Unless whoever posted it explicitly said they were a CCP staffer or CCP volunteer, that won't happen. The image isn't enough (especially when you take into account the GSF bee in the bottom left corner). To be honest I thought it was the best idea Goonswarm have had in a while, it attracted attention to the CSM elections, even if it did mean some people might have gotten scammed out of voting. Though probably not many given it was posted so late in the elections.
Honestly it would be wrong to penalise the people who did it as they were acting in the spirit of an EvE election and we all got a good laugh as well. Any spelling and grammatical errors are because frankly, I don't care!! |
Frying Doom
2459
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Posted - 2013.05.02 09:27:00 -
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CCP Dolan wrote:Still experiencing some technical difficulties formatting all this stuff into our dev blog system. I apologize for the delay.
Welcome back from your day off.
Any possibility of getting the dev blog or just that file of complete ballots today?
Thanks. Any spelling and grammatical errors are because frankly, I don't care!! |
Glasgow Dunlop
Gigaverse The Imperial Senate
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Posted - 2013.05.02 11:41:00 -
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When can we see the full result then? And will it include the whole breakdown of the votes as well? twitter: @glasgowdunlop-á GLASGOW MEET June 8th http://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=229549&find=unread
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Freelancer117
So you want to be a Hero
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Posted - 2013.05.02 16:31:00 -
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CCP Guard wrote:Congratulations to the new CSM and to all of you for having this fine group of people representing you. I look forward to getting familiar with our new CSM and working with them on good things.
I read (past tense) this as a group of fine people.... weird
Must be Trebor's fault CCP thx for listening: Super Gates-áhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2291999
Eve rule no.1: The players will make a better version of the game, then CCP initially plans. |
Karsa Egivand
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.05.02 18:04:00 -
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We need the devblog, soon (not TM). |
Matthias Aaron
VIRTUAL LIFE VANGUARD No blues
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Posted - 2013.05.02 22:45:00 -
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So... the stats? I keep refreshing the devblog page and keep being disappointed! I mean, a devblog by CCP Masterplan only keeps me fed for so long... |
Muul Udonii
THORN Syndicate Black Legion.
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Posted - 2013.05.03 00:15:00 -
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Any chance of the numbers of votes cast for each candidate (including those who didn't get in)? I'd like to see if there are any voters who did not vote for a single person who won. Thorn Alliance:-á The worst alliance you ever heard of.
But you have heard of us. |
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