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Avon
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Posted - 2005.09.28 13:48:00 -
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Implants do not limit PvP.
Tech II prices do not limit PvP.
Lack of Tech II insurance does not limit PvP.
Some people get overly attached to a bunch of pixels, and start to give more value to the tools themselves than the job they are intended for.
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Avon
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Posted - 2005.09.28 13:54:00 -
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 Originally by: Discorporation
Then again, Avon, the time spent to acquire those pixels does excuse some attachment to them 
Well, everyone loves your pixels Disco, but there is no point teasing ourselves.
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Avon
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Posted - 2005.09.28 13:56:00 -
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Originally by: The trademan
Originally by: Winterblink
Whatever. I highly doubt implants are holding people back from 0.0, in fact there's nothing holding people back from going into 0.0.
And if you get blown up and podded you lose your clone (or SPs if you're cloneless), so money's again an issue for even the implant-less.
Money can be made back, training time through lose of implants cannot.
You don't lose any training time at all.
So long as you put new implants in before you start a new skill, nothing is lost.
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Avon
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Posted - 2005.09.28 14:02:00 -
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Originally by: The trademan
Originally by: Avon
You don't lose any training time at all.
So long as you put new implants in before you start a new skill, nothing is lost.
I have heard that was a bug, and that sometimes it works, and sometimes it doesnt.
Well, you heard wrong.
If the basis of your arguement are things that you 'heard' it may be wise to check the facts before spouting in public.
Just a thought.
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Avon
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Posted - 2005.09.28 14:19:00 -
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The tradesman:
Explain to me why there are some people in 0.0?
Do they have no implants, and are therefor gimping themselves?
Or they do have implants and 0.0 isn't really dangerous?
Or, they do have implants and can afford to replace them because you can make buckets full of ISK in 0.0?
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Avon
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Posted - 2005.09.28 14:56:00 -
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Edited by: Avon on 28/09/2005 14:57:36
Pffft, excuses.
I lost some implants on Monday night. In all honesty I don't even remember exactly what ones I had in.
So, have I been gimped?
No.
When the skill I am training finishes I may replace a couple of them, depending on what I train next.
Let us assume I decide to train a 30+ day skill. I will buy the 2 implants that reduce the training time of that skill and start training it. Then I will right back in to 0.0 fighting people.
If I get podded before the training is complete I will be right back to the fight again. No need to replace the implants as the skill training will continue as normal.
At the end of the training I will work out if it is worth getting different or replacement implants for my next skill, then I'll be off fighting again.
If anything the hardwirings are more of a pain to lose than the attribute ones, because the hardwirings are used all the time.
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Avon
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Posted - 2005.09.28 15:14:00 -
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Originally by: The trademan
Yes, new players can get alot of money with mining/trade runs very quickly within a few days, and you wont (really) need a full set, you can skip the charisma one.
Still waiting on that Dev info...
If earning the money to buy implants is so easy, then replacing them is no issue.
I still fail to see where the problem is.
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Avon
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Posted - 2005.09.28 15:24:00 -
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Originally by: The trademan
No, the implant is a bonus, and if you lose it, the skill your training would still go at the same pace, thus, no loss of training time.
No, you have effectively lost the training time of a level of the related skill (worst case a high rank skill at lvl5)
To get the same effectiveness back you must either replace the implant or train the skill up one level.
Your point only stands if you have already maxed out that skill, which the new players you are claiming to represent would not have done (otherwise they wouldn't need attribute enhancing implants, would they?)
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Posted - 2005.09.28 15:26:00 -
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Originally by: The trademan
The problem is when people worry about their char learning time being set back by loss of implants.
But we have already established that it isn't.
What puts people off going to 0.0 are people like you spouting crap like this tbh.
0.0 isn't as bad as many would like you to think. PvP doesn't always meen you will get podded.
All you need is a little savvy and you can go live in 0.0
Hint - ask people.
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Posted - 2005.09.28 15:33:00 -
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Originally by: The trademan
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: The trademan
No, the implant is a bonus, and if you lose it, the skill your training would still go at the same pace, thus, no loss of training time.
No, you have effectively lost the training time of a level of the related skill (worst case a high rank skill at lvl5)
To get the same effectiveness back you must either replace the implant or train the skill up one level.
Your point only stands if you have already maxed out that skill, which the new players you are claiming to represent would not have done (otherwise they wouldn't need attribute enhancing implants, would they?)
No, When you train the skill up to lvl 5, then plop the implant in, its a bonus, ontop of the already maxed out skill, this goes for new and old. Its a money thing. it doesn not lose you training time when fitting hardwireings.
Read what I wrote.
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Posted - 2005.09.28 15:43:00 -
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Jeez, what do you want, a dev blog?
When you die your skill training continues at exactly the same rate.
The time it takes to complete a skill is calculated from your attributes when you start training. If those attributes change during training (ie, you lose implants) the training time is not recalculated.
You don't have to take my word for it - try it.
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Posted - 2005.09.28 15:44:00 -
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Originally by: The trademan
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: The trademan
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: The trademan
No, the implant is a bonus, and if you lose it, the skill your training would still go at the same pace, thus, no loss of training time.
No, you have effectively lost the training time of a level of the related skill (worst case a high rank skill at lvl5)
To get the same effectiveness back you must either replace the implant or train the skill up one level.
Your point only stands if you have already maxed out that skill, which the new players you are claiming to represent would not have done (otherwise they wouldn't need attribute enhancing implants, would they?)
No, When you train the skill up to lvl 5, then plop the implant in, its a bonus, ontop of the already maxed out skill, this goes for new and old. Its a money thing. it doesn not lose you training time when fitting hardwireings.
Read what I wrote.
I did, and again i say, the implant in question that gives you a boost to specific things (speed/sheild boosting) does not hinder your charecter development.
Try reading what i wrote.
Ok, comprehend what I wrote.
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Posted - 2005.09.28 15:48:00 -
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Originally by: The trademan
Originally by: Avon
Jeez, what do you want, a dev blog?
When you die your skill training continues at exactly the same rate.
The time it takes to complete a skill is calculated from your attributes when you start training. If those attributes change during training (ie, you lose implants) the training time is not recalculated.
You don't have to take my word for it - try it.
A dev saying it is not a bug, thats likly to be removed in the future.
It works the other way my friend.
It isn't a bug until the devs say it is.
If the devs posted everything in the game that wasn't a bug we'd be here forever.
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Avon
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Posted - 2005.09.28 15:49:00 -
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Originally by: The trademan
Ok, Comprehend what I wrote.
Ok, I'll help you.
Just answer the questions as they come.
1/ Why do you train skills?
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Posted - 2005.09.28 15:52:00 -
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Edited by: Avon on 28/09/2005 15:52:17
Originally by: The trademan
Originally by: Avon
It works the other way my friend.
It isn't a bug until the devs say it is.
If the devs posted everything in the game that wasn't a bug we'd be here forever.
I said it was a bug, you said it was not, my point stands until you prove me wrong.
Hint: saying "Your wrong" does not prove me wrong.
You saying you're right doesn't make you right.
Null point.
It is as I describe it, and you can verify it.
Try it.
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Posted - 2005.09.28 15:59:00 -
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If it was a bug it would have been announced as such a long time ago.
It wasn't
It hasn't
It isn't.
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Posted - 2005.09.28 16:16:00 -
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Undocking is a bug.
Don't do it until the devs tell you otherwise.
kthx.
Cookie?
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Posted - 2005.09.28 17:07:00 -
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Originally by: Winterblink
I'm abandoning this thread. The OP's utter refusal to even entertain an idea other than one that jives with his own makes this thread more of a rant than a discussion.
Most sensible thing I have read in this threat, I'm right behind you.
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