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Captain IQ Innocent Traders Ltd 14	Posted - 2013.04.28 16:27:00 - [1] - Quote All these fanfesty words from the various presentations like freedom, interaction, exploration, working together, viscereal, depth, immersion etc mean nothing to me as long as I'm still sitting in my quarters like a trapped cat. We're now being told that we will soon be able to travel even further in the game in search of ever more exciting baubles while being told at the same time that taking just a few steps to borrow a cup of sugar from a corp mate's quarters next door remains just simply too far to go. They're considering ideas that encourage people to team up more and build friendships and communities which are obviously so important to the success of the game, ideas like making bigger belts so that we bump into one another more and hopefully interact yet we are strictly confined back to quarters the moment we redock. You now want us to build jumpgates that we can venture through yet you don't want to make us a door that would have dimensionalised this game far more? Over the years I have got to know many people, I've spoken to their families, I know their birthdays how their jobs are going almost everything about them yet to me in this game they are sadly reduced to a 10cm typing portrait or a name in my fleet where often I can't even tell where their ship is or what they are even flying. The constant buddy invite promotions only make this failing even more frustrating, why would I invite my friends to play this game and then consign them to the abject boredom of spending most of their online time kicking around a 10x10 cell when we can go off and play dozens of far more engaging games where I can see them in a far more personalised form running free and interacting in the same environment that I am? Wouldn't it be priceless to get a friend into EVE and then invite him over to your quarters to laugh at how he's fitted himself out and what they've made themselves into, that moment alone would be worth a thousand dumb ratting adventures? Here's a good indicator, all the fun that is self evident at fanfest involves a massive bunch of people all sharing and interacting in a room together! Imagine a game that could recreate that? But inevitably once they get back home and log on they'll back to those solitary cells and cockpits and will have to then wait until the next fanfest before they will see one another again in any meaningful way. That station of yours that cost billions to make, well now it's your prison. That nice concept that we were told about on the stream where dust characters blow up a space station, how's that going to work? will our stations be raided and the poor old EVE player be forced to sit on his bed helplessly and listen to the console players charging footsteps outside in the corridors while they have fun deciding the fate of his precious piece of space real estate? I know this type of restrictive format has been successful for EVE up till now but this was conceived 10 years ago and anybody that loves these type of games will know what fresher games are looming on the horizon, games that promise it's Citizens a far more social and unfettered experience. I'd love to know the different proportions of time that players spend flying in space against sitting in stations, I'm sure that one set of those numbers (we so love) would indicate that most players interactions are consigned to just a glorified chat room while sitting alone in our quarters akin to knocking my drinking cup against my cell wall and wondering if any of my fellow cell mates next door are actually there. But why? Why do so many players and CCP seem to confuse the golden bullets/monocle saga with the original promise of being able to move around our stations? Yes we wanted a focus on fixing our space ships but now you're moving on into the further reaches without actually looking at the players experience that is far far closer to home. Monoclegate and this fanfest have now consigned thousands of us to at least another year and probably a lot more trapped in these cells and who really want's to carry on paying for a game that was far more real 10 years ago than it is starting to feel today?
Brooks Puuntai Solar Nexus. 1322	Posted - 2013.04.28 16:31:00 - [2] - Quote Incarna was a mistake. [url]https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=206023&find=unread[/url]
Marlona Sky D00M. Northern Coalition. 3499	Posted - 2013.04.28 16:34:00 - [3] - Quote There is far more important things that need to be done before resources are spent on Incarna stuff. Flight of a Thousand Rifters III ---- Vengeance ---- Player Event coming May 5th 2013
Haulie Berry 532	Posted - 2013.04.28 16:34:00 - [4] - Quote Quote: All these fanfesty words from the various presentations like freedom, interaction, exploration, working together, viscereal, depth, immersion etc mean nothing to me as long as I'm still sitting in my quarters like a trapped cat. Really? New Flying In Space content means nothing to you without more Walking In Stations content? Wrong ******* game, dude.
Concurssi Mellenar The Scope Gallente Federation 45	Posted - 2013.04.28 16:34:00 - [5] - Quote Do you seriously expect them to go there after the Incarna riots? He who controls the veld, controls the universe.
Dunkle Lars Lemon Half Moon 15	Posted - 2013.04.28 16:38:00 - [6] - Quote from my perspective the OP is somewhat right. I too was really looking forward to WiS.. Having played 10 years I've done almost anything in EvE and would love the metagame that could involve WiS.. Having a bar, a casino etc etc.. While I also fully support fixing all the broken stuff in EvE, and some of the things really nees fixing, I think it's a big mistake neglecting WiS
Ovv Topik Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 391	Posted - 2013.04.28 16:41:00 - [7] - Quote Your just in the wrong gamemate. Who uses the CQ? "Jita 4 4 spaceport. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious ..."
Solstice Project Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 3322	Posted - 2013.04.28 16:45:00 - [8] - Quote Shallow moron.
Dunkle Lars Lemon Half Moon 15	Posted - 2013.04.28 16:45:00 - [9] - Quote Ovv Topik wrote: Your just in the wrong gamemate. Who uses the CQ? Wrong question.. No-one uses CQ because there's no reason to use it it it's current form. If developed I think alot of people will use it. I'm in the wrong game? Nah after having spend so much time in EvE I'ld say that all the people complaining about CQ and WiS is in the wrong game
Ovv Topik Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 392	Posted - 2013.04.28 16:53:00 - [10] - Quote Dunkle Lars wrote: Ovv Topik wrote: Your just in the wrong gamemate. Who uses the CQ? Wrong question.. No-one uses CQ because there's no reason to use it it it's current form. If developed I think alot of people will use it. I'm in the wrong game? Nah after having spend so much time in EvE I'ld say that all the people complaining about CQ and WiS is in the wrong game Then undock! Simple as that mate. Eve is not a FPS sims clone. "Jita 4 4 spaceport. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious ..."
Doc Fury Furious Enterprises 1649	Posted - 2013.04.28 16:55:00 - [11] - Quote There's already a big thread for WIS disappointment, maybe you guys could form a support group. CCP made the right decision to shelve WIS, they're not ready, and a big chunk of EVE players don't have the kit to run it in the way that Dog intended. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'.
Makoto Priano Priano Trans-Stellar State Services 316	Posted - 2013.04.28 16:55:00 - [12] - Quote I'm in the 'both worlds' camp, here. On one hand, EVE needs iteration, polishing, and new content to keep it fresh, to make it grow. At the same time, WiS content -- done well! -- could do wonderful things for adding dimension to the game. The issue is that the developers for Incarna seem to have focused first on monetizing the new feature (and doing it badly-- microtransactions need to be MICRO), then on making it desirable for the players. I've been playing off and on since beta, and I was actually really excited to see what Incarna did. It didn't grab me in its current form, though.
Dunkle Lars Lemon Half Moon 18	Posted - 2013.04.28 16:57:00 - [13] - Quote Ovv Topik wrote: Dunkle Lars wrote: Ovv Topik wrote: Your just in the wrong gamemate. Who uses the CQ? Wrong question.. No-one uses CQ because there's no reason to use it it it's current form. If developed I think alot of people will use it. I'm in the wrong game? Nah after having spend so much time in EvE I'ld say that all the people complaining about CQ and WiS is in the wrong game Then undock! Simple as that mate. Eve is not a FPS sims clone. I'm most likely undocked more that you having spent close to 3 years in WH now but all i'm saying is that from my point of view, disregarding WiS saddens me and other people
Jenn aSide STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries 1666	Posted - 2013.04.28 17:03:00 - [14] - Quote Captain IQ wrote: *dumb post Your name is "Captain IQ"? what your middle name, is it "Ain'tGotNo"?
Donedy Snuff Box Urine Alliance 59	Posted - 2013.04.28 17:05:00 - [15] - Quote There is a "Unlock" button right at the bottom left of your screen in your CQ.
Concurssi Mellenar The Scope Gallente Federation 45	Posted - 2013.04.28 17:06:00 - [16] - Quote https://twitter.com/HilmarVeigar/status/328249408355442690 I would really like to see the door opening and WiS, but it shouldn't be an isolated thing, it should mean something in the bigger picture. If they did that, I'd be extatic. Ovv Topik wrote: No fun allowed! Why are you so close-minded about WiS? He who controls the veld, controls the universe.
J3ssica Alba Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 671	Posted - 2013.04.28 17:10:00 - [17] - Quote Marlona Sky wrote: There is far more important things that need to be done before resources are spent on Incarna stuff. That is your opinion, not mine or the OPs. This is my signature. There are many others like it, but this one is mine.-á Without me, my signature is useless. Without my signature, I am useless
Makoto Priano Priano Trans-Stellar State Services 318	Posted - 2013.04.28 17:12:00 - [18] - Quote Definitely on the bigger thing. It -needs- integration with the rest of EVE. Imagine: you're in nullsec, you've lost your ship, you've got a bajillion isk worth of implants, and you know there are bubbles if you try to escape. So-- you use your pod's onboard scanner, locate an anomaly, and disempod into it to even the fight with a sidearm in the dark, abandoned corridors of the site. You know there are rogue drones there, but you've got a better chance there, with other pilots going, "Ohshi--," than trying to jump out.
Ziphis Aegis Consolidated 13	Posted - 2013.04.28 17:12:00 - [19] - Quote In some aspects I agree with you dude, but mainly no....I dont think they should sort out the Incarna stuff or open the door, not until CCP feel that they are ready. You sound like a guy that plays for the social aspect and I get that but you're clearly making this game sound more like a Facebook presence within your life rather than an area to have fun PvP'ing, Ratting or Hell even.......Mining if you really want, If your going to complain that the people you know ingame are a portrait get skype get a webcam and flash them..... Honestly get out of your quarters and shoot something/someone....or if this game has truely become that boring for you unsub and play another.
Varius Xeral Galactic Trade Syndicate 732	Posted - 2013.04.28 17:16:00 - [20] - Quote try undocking, bro
Doc Fury Furious Enterprises 1650	Posted - 2013.04.28 17:17:00 - [21] - Quote J3ssica Alba wrote: Marlona Sky wrote: There is far more important things that need to be done before resources are spent on Incarna stuff. That is your opinion, not mine or the OPs. It's also CCP's opinion, the only one that matters at this point. If you've watched any of fanfest you will have noticed the recurring theme that CCP is really trying to get their shite together, after running everything by the seat of their pants for so long. They learned this the hard way after trying to do something as huge as WIS. Maybe if you shoot at some statues or something..... The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'.
Lipbite Express Hauler 646	Posted - 2013.04.28 17:20:00 - [22] - Quote Marlona Sky wrote: There is far more important things that need to be done before resources are spent on Incarna stuff. There is no goal more important than making game attractive for millions of new players. And like 100% of existing players if done right.
Anabella Rella Gradient Electus Matari 682	Posted - 2013.04.28 17:21:00 - [23] - Quote I sympathize and agree with the OP but, as many of the above snarky responses indicate,we'll never be able to have a rational discussion on WIS in these forums. Hell, one of the more dismissive replies was from a future CSM delegate who supposedly was going to listen to concerns of all different types of players and communicate them to CCP. Yeah, sure... I just think it's ironic that the very people who are always so fast to criticize others about being afraid of change and to "adapt or die" don't seem to be able to follow their own advice when it comes to considering that other styles of play are as valid as theirs. What you want is irrelevant, what you've chosen is at hand.
Praetor Meles Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 56	Posted - 2013.04.28 17:22:00 - [24] - Quote I can confirm that my internet spaceships experience would be greatly enriched by being chased buck naked through a station from the clone vat to my CQ, by a gang of heavily armed dust mercenaries who have been hired to ventilate my face. [insert random rubbish that irritates you personally] is further evidence that Eve is dying/thriving* * delete as required to make your point
Lors Dornick Kallisti Industries Solar Assault Fleet 477	Posted - 2013.04.28 17:25:00 - [25] - Quote Dunkle Lars wrote: I'm in the wrong game? Yes. CCP Eterne: Silly player, ALL devs are evil. CCP (aka Judge) Peligro: I will find your main.
J3ssica Alba Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 676	Posted - 2013.04.28 17:34:00 - [26] - Quote Doc Fury wrote: J3ssica Alba wrote: Marlona Sky wrote: There is far more important things that need to be done before resources are spent on Incarna stuff. That is your opinion, not mine or the OPs. It's also CCP's opinion, the only one that matters at this point. If you've watched any of fanfest you will have noticed the recurring theme that CCP is really trying to get their shite together, after running everything by the seat of their pants for so long. They learned this the hard way after trying to do something as huge as WIS. Maybe if you shoot at some statues or something..... CCP are just scared shiteless of a very vocal minority This is my signature. There are many others like it, but this one is mine.-á Without me, my signature is useless. Without my signature, I am useless
Concurssi Mellenar The Scope Gallente Federation 46	Posted - 2013.04.28 17:40:00 - [27] - Quote J3ssica Alba wrote: CCP are just scared shiteless of a very vocal minority Yyyyyuuuup... https://lh3.ggpht.com/-Fqu8uXsO6No/TgXS1zjbFfI/AAAAAAAAAFM/94sHy10yoRk/s1600/Jita-4-4-Continued.png He who controls the veld, controls the universe.
Vaju Enki Secular Wisdom 593	Posted - 2013.04.28 17:41:00 - [28] - Quote This is serious business, CCP should stop developing EvE, and focus on a futuristic Sims/Dressup Online game !!!! That's what WE the players demand. /Sarcasm Off
Masuka Taredi Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 19	Posted - 2013.04.28 17:43:00 - [29] - Quote I love the concept of walking in stations. But other stuff needs addressed first. So no I disagree OP.
Solstice Project Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 3324	Posted - 2013.04.28 18:00:00 - [30] - Quote Lipbite wrote: Marlona Sky wrote: There is far more important things that need to be done before resources are spent on Incarna stuff. There is no goal more important than making game attractive for millions of new players. And like 100% of existing players if done right. Clearly WiS is most interesting EVE feature at the moment (if not ever). At least I didn't see hundreds-message long threads about any other feature on these forums and new threads kicking in almost weekly. If CCP management was smart enough to make public voting for new features (like SOE did with Planetside 2) - WiS would be on top. HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA XD 10/10 !!! :D

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