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Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.04.28 18:02:00 -
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Concurssi Mellenar wrote: WTB Ibis Navy Issue !
Also: Vocal minority! LOL |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
2650
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Posted - 2013.04.28 18:08:00 -
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Incarna was shelved as the result of a realization- players don't associate themselves with pixel avatars.
There is no more link to a 3D humanoid character than there is to a spaceship- neither is what being a capsuleer is all about. Instead of artificial representation or a simple reflection, capsuleers in EVE Online are more- our characters are the sum of our actions, history, reputation, statistics and concrete social relationships with real people sharing a virtual universe, real relationships which are created by text and voice communication.
This is why adding avatar interaction does not add real value to the universe. There simply isn't anything that avatars in a virtual room can replace, or even add to social communication delivered with voice and text. They can't (as of 2013) speak in body language, and at the current technological level they are subpar even to 2D portraits- I can express myself with the portrait creator by manipulating the pose and lighting, in a shared room I'd be just a clumsy character moving as the animator intended, no matter how many polygons or how advanced shading is used to produce it. There simply isn't enough control to make avatars behave naturally enough to accompany our message, which will be delivered either by typing or speaking.
Perhaps in 10 years, but today we're not even close yet.
Of course opening WiS would expand the gameplay options and add another layer to the virtual universe, but this is detached from the associative motives presented in the OP.
-á- All I really wanted was to build a castle among the stars - |
DelBoy Trades
Trotter Independent Traders.
551
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Posted - 2013.04.28 18:22:00 -
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I couldn't agree with you less. You sound like you spend way too long docked up.
Damn nature, you scary! |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
4960
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Posted - 2013.04.28 18:23:00 -
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OP: Don't sit in your CQ like a trapped cat. In fact, don't sit in it at all.
End of problem.
There is much to be said in favour of modern journalism. By giving us the opinions of the uneducated, it keeps us in touch with the ignorance of the community.-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde |
Acac Sunflyier
FLA5HY RED
572
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Posted - 2013.04.28 18:42:00 -
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When they talked about esporting and betting i thought of bettiing parlors and seeing mathes on the big screen
CCP don't make us wait another decade for a drone overhaul; DRONE OVERHAUL NOW! |
Captain IQ
Innocent Traders Ltd
21
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Posted - 2013.04.28 18:44:00 -
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Far from it this is my trading account, I'm mainly 0.0 pvp and an undocking alliance!
There was some figure that I can't find from fanfest that mentions something like 50% of players are play solo, I guess that's mainly a choice of play styles but it's also a pity. I think if the immersion was from the get go it could make a massive difference to new players first impressions of the game, that immersion is stunted by any barriers. For new players their first interactions are via local and a firmly shut in cell.
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Ripblade Falconpunch
State War Academy
Caldari State
20
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Posted - 2013.04.28 19:44:00 -
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Captain IQ wrote:The constant buddy invite promotions only make this failing even more frustrating, why would I invite my friends to play this game and then consign them to the abject boredom of spending most of their online time kicking around a 10x10 cell when we can go off and play dozens of far more engaging games where I can see them in a far more personalised form running free and interacting in the same environment that I am?
If you're spending "most of your time" in the captain's quarters, you're playing the WRONG game.
Every time I create a new account, I leave that stupid walking in station bit for my hangar first thing every time,
and I have yet to go back to it ever again. Which is as it should be.
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Ripblade Falconpunch
State War Academy
Caldari State
20
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Posted - 2013.04.28 19:48:00 -
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Lipbite wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:There is far more important things that need to be done before resources are spent on Incarna stuff. There is no goal more important than making game attractive for millions of new players. And like 100% of existing players if done right. Clearly WiS is most interesting EVE feature at the moment (if not ever). At least I didn't see hundreds-message long threads about any other feature on these forums and new threads kicking in almost weekly. If CCP management was smart enough to make public voting for new features (like SOE did with Planetside 2) - WiS would be on top.
Yeah, no. It wouldn't. Those "hundreds of message long threads" are from random noobs who launched the EVE client instead of the Second Life client, and 90% of the hundreds of messages in them are people saying "Yeah, No." while a few dieharders continue to cling to it. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
4080
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Posted - 2013.04.28 19:50:00 -
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OP aside, consider WIEVRS (Walking In EvE Virtual Reality Stations)... perhaps on you way to the fighter bay if nothing else. 
To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors.
If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
1652
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Posted - 2013.04.28 20:00:00 -
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J3ssica Alba wrote:Doc Fury wrote:J3ssica Alba wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:There is far more important things that need to be done before resources are spent on Incarna stuff. That is your opinion, not mine or the OPs. It's also CCP's opinion, the only one that matters at this point.  If you've watched any of fanfest you will have noticed the recurring theme that CCP is really trying to get their shite together, after running everything by the seat of their pants for so long. They learned this the hard way after trying to do something as huge as WIS. Maybe if you shoot at some statues or something..... CCP are just scared shiteless of a very vocal minority
You can certainly keep on believing that if it makes you feel better. Financial and technological realities will always prevail.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
Generals4
Liandri Covenant
1785
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Posted - 2013.04.28 20:02:00 -
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There is one reason why they need to finish incarna: so i can gank those jita spammers. Risk vs Reward they said... Come on lets add some risk to spamming 
-Death is nothing, but to live defeated and inglorious is to die daily. |
Concurssi Mellenar
The Scope
Gallente Federation
46
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Posted - 2013.04.28 20:07:00 -
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Ripblade Falconpunch wrote:If you're spending "most of your time" in the captain's quarters, you're playing the WRONG game. It sounds to me like you're against this, not because you think it's bad, but because it would be different.
If so, why? If it serves a real purpose in the context of New Eden, why shouldn't CCP do it?
He who controls the veld, controls the universe. |
Stegas Tyrano
GLU CANU
Open Space Consultancy
387
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Posted - 2013.04.28 20:47:00 -
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They said in the keynote they'd talk about it next fanfest so we might see something Winter 2014 or 2015....hopefully......maybe....
See you in Star Citizen!
Herping your derp since 19Potato --á[Proposal] - Ingame Visual Adverts |
Fractal Muse
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
268
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Posted - 2013.04.28 20:52:00 -
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Brooks Puuntai wrote:Incarna was a mistake.
Incarna was a mistake because of the Nexus store not because of Walking In Stations.
Walking In Stations can really enhance the player experience for EVE.
The Nexus Exchange was nothing more than a money grab on top of a subscription fee.
If you don't want to walk in stations you don't have to but I want it. I want to go into a player owned bar, drink a player-created booster, watching a vid screen that displays a feed from a player-created-camera drone out in the system somewhere while another player flies out to it and hacks it to show a different feed...
I want to buy clothing created by players. I want player owned store fronts. I want interaction with DUST 514 bunnies.
I want corporation meetings where people can pull up maps of systems and point things out. There is a -ton- of awesome stuff that can add to EVE and would grow EVE's playerbaes without negatively impacting the rest of the game (being Internet Spaceships.)
I want corporate offices to be there. I want to see trophies in the corp office. I want to see player-made furniture. I want to be able to walk to the corporate hangar and see all the ships.
Walking In Stations should focus on supporting Internet Spaceships but it isn't a mistake. |
John DaiSho
Applied Creations
The Fendahlian Collective
110
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Posted - 2013.04.28 21:29:00 -
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Brooks Puuntai wrote:Incarna was a mistake.
I would have liked this post, but you have exactly 1337 likes at this moment...I just cant destroy that, sorry ;) |
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
3328
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Posted - 2013.04.28 21:35:00 -
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John DaiSho wrote:Brooks Puuntai wrote:Incarna was a mistake. I would have liked this post, but you have exactly 1337 likes at this moment...I just cant destroy that, sorry ;) 1338.
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XD
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John DaiSho
Applied Creations
The Fendahlian Collective
110
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Posted - 2013.04.28 21:43:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:
1338.
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XD
Okayokayokay, he-¦s got my like now, too, he deserved it. |
Nyancat Audeles
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
167
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Posted - 2013.04.28 21:46:00 -
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posting in stealth rookie ship buff thread
On another note, I agree with OP. |
Zak Breen
Beagle Expeditions
24
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Posted - 2013.04.28 22:45:00 -
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While the CQ is a nice addition (it's cool to 'relax' and watch TV - if there were anything interesting to watch) I'd have to agree that actually making it more interactable with other people would make it much better. I honestly don't see why they cannot do this since they already implemented something like this in DUST before matches, yet it's really even more worthless than the CQ. I'd love to chill with my docked corp mates and maybe even play minigames together? And, as many have said before, it would bring that glorious character creator to life since as of now all we mostly see is a portrait.
But I guess making ships prettier is more important.  |
Steveir
Hagukure
Disturbed Acquaintance
49
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Posted - 2013.04.28 23:49:00 -
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Exploring abandoned space wreck and installations would be well within the current spec, could easily be limited to a few dozen players.
Similarly, added a few ship bridges to wander around solo, would hard tax the current set up (and I know about pods, but surely the Jove tech has a solution to this).
Neither of these would significantly impact FiS. It seem such as waste to have come so far with WiS and then bottle it due to a very vocal minority. |
Jarod Garamonde
Action Bastards
43
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Posted - 2013.04.28 23:52:00 -
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maybe if I could put a couple of my Exotic Dancers in my Capt's Quarters and ask them to dance for me, like a true Gallente, I might use it more often....
If I am logged onto TQ, I'm probably drunk. You've been warned. |
Seven Koskanaiken
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
149
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Posted - 2013.04.29 00:29:00 -
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I want to believe. |
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
1354
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Posted - 2013.04.29 06:04:00 -
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Fractal Muse wrote:Brooks Puuntai wrote:Incarna was a mistake. Incarna was a mistake because of the Nexus store not because of Walking In Stations. Walking In Stations can really enhance the player experience for EVE. The Nexus Exchange was nothing more than a money grab on top of a subscription fee. If you don't want to walk in stations you don't have to but I want it. I want to go into a player owned bar, drink a player-created booster, watching a vid screen that displays a feed from a player-created-camera drone out in the system somewhere while another player flies out to it and hacks it to show a different feed... I want to buy clothing created by players. I want player owned store fronts. I want interaction with DUST 514 bunnies. I want corporation meetings where people can pull up maps of systems and point things out. There is a -ton- of awesome stuff that can add to EVE and would grow EVE's playerbaes without negatively impacting the rest of the game (being Internet Spaceships.) I want corporate offices to be there. I want to see trophies in the corp office. I want to see player-made furniture. I want to be able to walk to the corporate hangar and see all the ships. Walking In Stations should focus on supporting Internet Spaceships but it isn't a mistake.
Don't get me wrong, the IDEA of WIS is a decent one. Incarna on the other hand was the mistake. A few years ago they released a tech demo of WIS that was slimmed down graphically and expanded much more then what was released. The problem is CCP decided they wanted Crysis style graphics and poored much more time and effort into it and failed horribly with what is now Incarna/CQ.
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Lost True
Paradise project
2123
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Posted - 2013.04.29 09:03:00 -
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We need WiS. Open the door.
Most of those ship balancing crap it's just a waste of time, they're doing it every year.
in 2007 i've thought it's a sci-fi simulator, not an "e-sports" game. I'm not a teenager, how would i like it much?
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Flamespar
Woof Club
556
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Posted - 2013.04.29 09:42:00 -
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Don't worry about the trolls. Their arguments basically amount to "OMG I AM AFRAID OF CHANGE", you can take solace in the fact that both Hilmar and Lander have said they want avatars in EVE, they just need to develop the gameplay for them first.
Avatars will be getting meaningful gameplay, when that happens is anyone's guess.
I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
3338
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Posted - 2013.04.29 09:46:00 -
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Flamespar wrote:Don't worry about the trolls. Their arguments basically amount to "OMG I AM AFRAID OF CHANGE", you can take solace in the fact that both Hilmar and Lander have said they want avatars in EVE, they just need to develop the gameplay for them first.
Avatars will be getting meaningful gameplay, when that happens is anyone's guess. You should learn to read and understand written words, instead of reading what you believe people write.
But, anyway, i agree. I'm not against WiS. I'm all for it, as long as it's not pointless and supports the actual game. |
Apricot Baby
caldariprimeponyclub
79
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Posted - 2013.04.29 10:33:00 -
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While you wait for them to allow this, please enjoy these images I prepared earlier.
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/CPPC/cppc_apricots_odyssey.jpg
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/CPPC/csm_propaganda_14b.jpg
Unreleased Ships (Images) - www.imgur.com/a/uablN
Unreleased Ships (Videos) - www.youtube.com/user/TanithAmberdemon
Eve Celshader Project - www.imgur.com/a/5mn44
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Gnoshia
Section 8.
Fatal Ascension
35
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Posted - 2013.04.29 10:34:00 -
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I don't care for WiS so no thank you.
I would rather CCP spent that development time making constructable stargates so I can go to new star systems or sprucing up the UI like what we saw in the art panel at fan fest.
WiS has nothing interesting to offer other than a 3D social environment. |
Arduemont
Rotten Legion Ops
1354
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Posted - 2013.04.29 17:09:00 -
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I'd like to think CCP will get around to it, but frankly I've lost hope with CCP. Open the god damned door.
"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." |
Ghazu
573
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Posted - 2013.04.29 17:19:00 -
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uh Eve is the wrong game with you if you want to dress up with a bunch of dudes and emote each other.
http://www.minerbumping.com/
lol what the christ https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2299984#post2299984 |
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