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Hessian Arcturus
S.W.O.R.D. Navy
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Posted - 2013.04.28 16:56:00 -
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I've scrolled down the forum and I see a lot of people asking for CCP to make the Collectors Edition purchasable via PLEX.
In my opinion, this would be a bad idea on CCPs part. There are hundreds, probably thousands of players in the game with billions and billions of ISK. If they all decided to purchase a Collectors Edition via in game methods, then it will take away the aspect of it being a Collectors Edition due to the fact everyone will have one.
In my opinion all Limited Editions or Collectors Editions should only ever be purchasable by real money. If you cant afford it, well save for it. You wouldnt go into a store and buy the N7 Edition of Mass Effect 3 (for example) if you didn't have the monies to do so...
Leaving it as a real money purchase, also stops people that would buy it for PLEX and then sell it for a hundred quid, undercutting CCP.
I'm not having a go at the people who are asking this, I'm simply stating that I think its a bad idea, and giving you a reason why I think this.
Discuss...(please lets keep it civil). It's human nature to want to explore. To find your line and go beyond it. The only limit, is the one you set yourself. |
Dave Stark
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Posted - 2013.04.28 17:02:00 -
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plex is the only way i'd buy one.
but that's mainly because i couldn't stomach a -ú126 outgoing on my bank statement for an item where over 50% of it is things i don't want. |
Hessian Arcturus
S.W.O.R.D. Navy
42
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Posted - 2013.04.28 17:07:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:plex is the only way i'd buy one.
but that's mainly because i couldn't stomach a -ú126 outgoing on my bank statement for an item where over 50% of it is things i don't want.
The underlined part is brilliant point. You wouldn't fork out for something where only half of the stuff is used by yourself. Where as with PLEX its a case of 'meh I didnt use real money to buy it so it doesnt bother me'. To me that kind of lowers the value of a CE. It's human nature to want to explore. To find your line and go beyond it. The only limit, is the one you set yourself. |
Zheketri
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
19
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Posted - 2013.04.28 17:15:00 -
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The problem with making it purchaseable with PLEX is that it's likely to put a higher demand on PLEX in game, increasing the price... considering the outcry about prices already, this might cause some unpleasantness. If the CE turned out to be highly popular sold via PLEX it could really give prices a kick and I'm not certain CCP will do that without compelling reasons. "Once you have taken his place, have you then defeated your enemy?" |
Ziphis
Aegis Consolidated
14
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Posted - 2013.04.28 17:17:00 -
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Personal opinion of mine Plex for stuff makes its all seem less palpable I mean Plex for re-sculpt and stuff I understand but stuff like a collectors edition hell imagine if they used Plex for stuff on the stores...anyone with a good 25-50bil could own the store 10x over and then sell it on ebay for profit.
Plex for in-game stuff good
Plex for stuff outta game....stupid idea and shouldnt and hopefully wont be done
In the case of you Dave yeah if you don't wanna spend the money on it don't simple as pie...not trolling not picking just being honest
In my own case I'm saving for the CE... because honestly I'm sad little man that wants a nice shiny new box. and a Rifter (In Rust we Trust right)
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Concurssi Mellenar
The Scope Gallente Federation
45
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Posted - 2013.04.28 17:21:00 -
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Can someone explain to me why they think the CE should be purchasable with PLEX? He who controls the veld, controls the universe. |
Dave Stark
2925
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Posted - 2013.04.28 17:22:00 -
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Concurssi Mellenar wrote:Can someone explain to me why they think the CE should be purchasable with PLEX?
because it's not unheard of that other things were purchasable with plex, eg fanfest tickets, and didn't they do something about plex for graphics cards a while ago or was that an obscure dream i had?
(could have been a dream, i had a nap earlier and dreamed that i was playing poker using polo mints as poker chips. good luck with that one dr freud) |
Hessian Arcturus
S.W.O.R.D. Navy
42
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Posted - 2013.04.28 17:23:00 -
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Zheketri wrote:The problem with making it purchaseable with PLEX is that it's likely to put a higher demand on PLEX in game, increasing the price... considering the outcry about prices already, this might cause some unpleasantness. If the CE turned out to be highly popular sold via PLEX it could really give prices a kick and I'm not certain CCP will do that without compelling reasons.
Yeah bro, I know exactly what you mean there... "So people are buying PLEX to get the CE. Hmmmm buy this at my up marketed price muhahaha" *Twirls handlebar moustache and adjusts monocle*
People who rely on PLEX for subs, who barely scrape enough to get buy would be bitten in the backside. It's human nature to want to explore. To find your line and go beyond it. The only limit, is the one you set yourself. |
Hessian Arcturus
S.W.O.R.D. Navy
42
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Posted - 2013.04.28 17:25:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:
(could have been a dream, i had a nap earlier and dreamed that i was playing poker using polo mints as poker chips. good luck with that one dr freud)
Just quickly off topic - did you win? It's human nature to want to explore. To find your line and go beyond it. The only limit, is the one you set yourself. |
Dave Stark
2928
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Posted - 2013.04.28 17:26:00 -
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Ziphis wrote:In the case of you Dave yeah if you don't wanna spend the money on it don't simple as pie...not trolling not picking just being honest
i probably will miss out on the CE. that makes me slightly sad.
don't get me wrong, i don't think the CE is badly priced or anything. all of the content is worth -ú126, i just don't want all of the content.
but hey, that's just the way it is. |
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Dave Stark
2928
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Posted - 2013.04.28 17:27:00 -
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Hessian Arcturus wrote:Dave Stark wrote:
(could have been a dream, i had a nap earlier and dreamed that i was playing poker using polo mints as poker chips. good luck with that one dr freud)
Just quickly off topic - did you win?
i had no idea, we were playing on a small table in the middle of a sport's hall and a guy came in mid game and told us that the session i'd booked had run out of time... |
Hessian Arcturus
S.W.O.R.D. Navy
43
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Posted - 2013.04.28 17:40:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Ziphis wrote:In the case of you Dave yeah if you don't wanna spend the money on it don't simple as pie...not trolling not picking just being honest i probably will miss out on the CE. that makes me slightly sad. don't get me wrong, i don't think the CE is badly priced or anything. all of the content is worth -ú126, i just don't want all of the content. but hey, that's just the way it is.
What do you and don't you want from out of the CE?
Dave Stark wrote:i had no idea, we were playing on a small table in the middle of a sport's hall and a guy came in mid game and told us that the session i'd booked had run out of time...
I hope you got minted bad joke I know haha It's human nature to want to explore. To find your line and go beyond it. The only limit, is the one you set yourself. |
Dave Stark
2941
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Posted - 2013.04.28 18:15:00 -
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Hessian Arcturus wrote:What do you and don't you want from out of the CE?
things i do want: ingame goodies (pod, ships, blueprint), and the rifter usb thing. things i'm mostly indifferent to: soundtrack and art book thing. things i wouldn't care if they were missing from the box: dust drop suits, board game.
i think, if they did away with the board game, and the drop suits, and it worked out at -ú99.99 so it wasn't quite 3 figures (damn you psychology/ocd/whatever it is), i'd have preordered one. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
4960
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Posted - 2013.04.28 18:19:00 -
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Hessian Arcturus wrote: If they all decided to purchase a Collectors Edition via in game methods, then it will take away the aspect of it being a Collectors Edition due to the fact everyone will have one.
And what the f- is wrong with that ?
Did they even utter one word about this being Limited Edition ???
No.
Another dweeb who forgets CCP is actually a business. There is much to be said in favour of modern journalism. By giving us the opinions of the uneducated, it keeps us in touch with the ignorance of the community.-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
4960
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Posted - 2013.04.28 18:21:00 -
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Zheketri wrote:The problem with making it purchaseable with PLEX is that it's likely to put a higher demand on PLEX in game, increasing the price... considering the outcry about prices already, this might cause some unpleasantness. If the CE turned out to be highly popular sold via PLEX it could really give prices a kick and I'm not certain CCP will do that without compelling reasons.
PLEX 2 years ago was 300,000,000. You know what it is now.
I have not noticed any 'unpleasantness'. There is much to be said in favour of modern journalism. By giving us the opinions of the uneducated, it keeps us in touch with the ignorance of the community.-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde |
Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
1168
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Posted - 2013.04.28 18:23:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:plex is the only way i'd buy one.
but that's mainly because i couldn't stomach a -ú126 outgoing on my bank statement for an item where over 50% of it is things i don't want.
This ^^ remove the DUST stuff and sell the Eve part at an even slightly lower price and I shall buy it. This is not a signature. |
Tshaowdyne Dvorak
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
34
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Posted - 2013.04.28 18:26:00 -
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Zheketri wrote:The problem with making it purchaseable with PLEX is that it's likely to put a higher demand on PLEX in game, increasing the price... considering the outcry about prices already, this might cause some unpleasantness. If the CE turned out to be highly popular sold via PLEX it could really give prices a kick and I'm not certain CCP will do that without compelling reasons.
And the higher PLEX price in game will incentivize the people who buy PLEX to buy more of it and put it on the market in order to make more ISK, and the prices will drop back down.
For example, the Power of Two promotion caused a quick, temporary spike in prices and the complementing PLEX sale caused a drop, so the delta was actually pretty small and the prices remain about the same before both offers were introduced. Does it surprise you at all that CCP offered both at the same time, considering that?
Economics isn't just simple supply and demand curves. It's far more complicated than that. It's moves and counter moves, and counter-counter moves, and so on. People act on the market for lots of different reasons, some of which are inscrutable. Consider the effect of dumb, drunk people who mistakenly buy a low value ship for billions in their drunken stupor. It wasn't a rational act, but it happens nonetheless in this game. |
Hessian Arcturus
S.W.O.R.D. Navy
44
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Posted - 2013.04.28 18:41:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Hessian Arcturus wrote:What do you and don't you want from out of the CE? things i do want: ingame goodies (pod, ships, blueprint), and the rifter usb thing. things i'm mostly indifferent to: soundtrack and art book thing. things i wouldn't care if they were missing from the box: dust drop suits, board game. i think, if they did away with the board game, and the drop suits, and it worked out at -ú99.99 so it wasn't quite 3 figures (damn you psychology/ocd/whatever it is), i'd have preordered one.
Yeah, I agree with you there...To be fair, I dont have a PS3 so the DUST stuff is rendered moot for me, but I can understand them putting it in... And to be fair the CCP board game is more of a gimmik...
But the rest of the EVE stuff I can understand them...
Me, I like looking at art and the soundtracks of games so for me thats a bonus
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: *Insults the OP because you dont agree*
I asked people to keep it civil, as a friendly debate. Not to start insulting people. It's human nature to want to explore. To find your line and go beyond it. The only limit, is the one you set yourself. |
Ottersmacker
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
364
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Posted - 2013.04.28 18:47:00 -
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+ CCP gets their money, because all PLEX in existence (unless it's been simply spawned by CCP - something they claim not to do) has already been paid for anyway. + CCP potentially gets to sell more copies.
//editing to add:
Quote:Leaving it as a real money purchase, also stops people that would buy it for PLEX and then sell it for a hundred quid, undercutting CCP. Even if this were to happen, CCP would still have been paid in full (because of PLEX). Ironically when Amazon carries their CE, they end up paying a % to Amazon. Probably a good idea to limit it to 1 per account like they did with the GFX cards though. i just locked an open door.. strange, yet symbolically compelling. |
Michael Stabb
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2013.04.28 18:48:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Hessian Arcturus wrote: If they all decided to purchase a Collectors Edition via in game methods, then it will take away the aspect of it being a Collectors Edition due to the fact everyone will have one.
And what the f- is wrong with that ? Did they even utter one word about this being Limited Edition ??? No. Another dweeb who forgets CCP is actually a business.
Indeed. It's not special because it's a rare item that only a few are supposed to have, it's special because it's there to celebrate ten years of EVE.
You don't pull out a bottle of cheap champagne on new years and say "You can't have any because there's only so much of this". |
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Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
1330
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Posted - 2013.04.28 18:48:00 -
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Ottersmacker wrote:+ CCP gets their money, because all PLEX in existence (unless it's been simply spawned by CCP - something they claim not to do) has already been paid for anyway. + CCP potentially gets to sell more copies.
With an actual physical item, I doubt the process is that simple.
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Lord Okinaba
Hidden Agenda
82
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Posted - 2013.04.28 18:52:00 -
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It's a Collectors Edition, not a Limited Edition. I don't see your arguement. The more people that have access to it the better. |
Col Arran
Generic Incursion Tax Evasion
106
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Posted - 2013.04.28 18:58:00 -
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Hessian Arcturus wrote:"blah blah blah I don't have the ISK to buy the CE with PLEX so no one else should be able to either"
That's pretty much all I'm getting from your post. As for "undercutting" you apparently don't seem to know how PLEX works so let me explain. Each one is bought, with real money, from CCP. Meaning if CCP were to allow you to buy the CE with PLEX it would take PLEX out of the game, PLEX CCP already got money from. If someone were to then turn around and sell the CE for less than CCP well CCP already got money from that CE and the original buyer doesn't have one anymore and will have to buy another if they want one for themselves. It would ostensibly lead to more CE sales than less.
I know for a fact that if the CE would be purchasable with PLEX I'd get one right now, but since its not I will not be getting one. That's a lost sale right there and I wonder how many other people feel the same. Well from all the forum posts apparently its quite a few.
Brooks Puuntai wrote:Ottersmacker wrote:+ CCP gets their money, because all PLEX in existence (unless it's been simply spawned by CCP - something they claim not to do) has already been paid for anyway. + CCP potentially gets to sell more copies. With an actual physical item, I doubt the process is that simple.
CCP let you buy NVIDIA graphics cards for PLEX when they were first overhauling all the models to V3.....it is that simple.
As for the "distortion" of the PLEX prices, if you can barely afford PLEX as it is now then there is a big problem with what you're doing to make ISK. |
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
246
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Posted - 2013.04.28 19:00:00 -
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I have removed some offensive posts. Please keep it civil people!
2. Be respectful toward others at all times.
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The use of profanity is prohibited on the EVE Online forums. This includes the partial masking of letters using numbers or alternate symbols, and any attempts at bypassing the profanity filter.
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Kamorain Dinard
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.04.28 19:01:00 -
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Sounds sensible.
If you allow it to be purchased via PLEX, people with billions of ISK will buy lots of PLEX with ISK and use it to buy the collector's editions. This will distort the PLEX market and push up PLEX prices. Higher PLEX prices mean that people buying them with ISK to sub their accounts will be unable to do so and may stop playing, harming the game in the long run.
It is also an issue as it just distorts the PLEX market too much which advantages or disadvantages people trading PLEX for profit in game.
Another side effect will be that people will sell the collector's editions and assets that they buy with PLEXes which will make it less special and, be undercutting CCP selling it. This will be a big 'screw you' to people who already bought it full price. It is also a giant real-money-trading opportunity.
CCP: please don't sell it for PLEX or, if you do, just let people use PLEX for part (say half) of the purchase. If you do decide to sell things like this for PLEX in the future, announce that that will happen well in advance. |
Michael Stabb
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2013.04.28 19:06:00 -
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Kamorain Dinard wrote:Sounds sensible.
If you allow it to be purchased via PLEX, people with billions of ISK will buy lots of PLEX with ISK and use it to buy the collector's editions. This will distort the PLEX market and push up PLEX prices. Higher PLEX prices mean that people buying them with ISK to sub their accounts will be unable to do so and may stop playing, harming the game in the long run.
And then the people who sell PLEX will come in, buy more ETC's and start selling more PLEX until supply/demand evens out again. HOORAY FOR THE ECONOMY! \o/
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Hessian Arcturus
S.W.O.R.D. Navy
45
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Posted - 2013.04.28 19:20:00 -
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Col Arran wrote:Hessian Arcturus wrote:"blah blah blah I don't have the ISK to buy the CE with PLEX so no one else should be able to either" That's pretty much all I'm getting from your post. As for "undercutting" you apparently don't seem to know how PLEX works so let me explain. Each one is bought, with real money, from CCP. Meaning if CCP were to allow you to buy the CE with PLEX it would take PLEX out of the game, PLEX CCP already got money from. If someone were to then turn around and sell the CE for less than CCP well CCP already got money from that CE and the original buyer doesn't have one anymore and will have to buy another if they want one for themselves. It would ostensibly lead to more CE sales than less. I know for a fact that if the CE would be purchasable with PLEX I'd get one right now, but since its not I will not be getting one. That's a lost sale right there and I wonder how many other people feel the same. Well from all the forum posts apparently its quite a few. Brooks Puuntai wrote:Ottersmacker wrote:+ CCP gets their money, because all PLEX in existence (unless it's been simply spawned by CCP - something they claim not to do) has already been paid for anyway. + CCP potentially gets to sell more copies. With an actual physical item, I doubt the process is that simple. CCP let you buy NVIDIA graphics cards for PLEX when they were first overhauling all the models to V3.....it is that simple. As for the "distortion" of the PLEX prices, if you can barely afford PLEX as it is now then there is a big problem with what you're doing to make ISK.
Man, I have more than enough ISK to PLEX my account lol but I still wouldn't buy the CE via PLEX...
To me a collectors edition should be bought with real money...
But like I said in my OP I'm only giving my opinion and stating that others should also voice theirs so I can get what other peoples views are. This isn't a winge thread mate. Just having a friendly debate...
Also people seem to be under the impression I think its a limited edition... I am aware that as of yet, there is no limit on how many can be bought. But if everyone bought the collectors edition, it stops being a collectable... It's human nature to want to explore. To find your line and go beyond it. The only limit, is the one you set yourself. |
Robus Muvila
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
254
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Posted - 2013.04.28 19:23:00 -
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"It is not enough that I can have the collecters edition, it is more important that others cannot have it" TMC Senior Developer http://themittani.com - Because EvE has needed a proper news site for ages |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
939
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Posted - 2013.04.28 19:25:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:plex is the only way i'd buy one.
but that's mainly because i couldn't stomach a -ú126 outgoing on my bank statement for an item where over 50% of it is things i don't want.
money is money... a person has to actually initially purchase a plex for rl money... so it makes no difference bettween plex or credit its all money in ccp eyes. Ok, so you've corrected my spelling,do you care to make a valid point? -áThere are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... |
Dave Stark
2951
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Posted - 2013.04.28 19:31:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:Dave Stark wrote:plex is the only way i'd buy one.
but that's mainly because i couldn't stomach a -ú126 outgoing on my bank statement for an item where over 50% of it is things i don't want. money is money... a person has to actually initially purchase a plex for rl money... so it makes no difference bettween plex or credit its all money in ccp eyes.
true, but the payment makes a difference to my eyes :P |
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