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Hessian Arcturus
S.W.O.R.D. Navy
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Posted - 2013.04.28 16:56:00 -
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I've scrolled down the forum and I see a lot of people asking for CCP to make the Collectors Edition purchasable via PLEX.
In my opinion, this would be a bad idea on CCPs part. There are hundreds, probably thousands of players in the game with billions and billions of ISK. If they all decided to purchase a Collectors Edition via in game methods, then it will take away the aspect of it being a Collectors Edition due to the fact everyone will have one.
In my opinion all Limited Editions or Collectors Editions should only ever be purchasable by real money. If you cant afford it, well save for it. You wouldnt go into a store and buy the N7 Edition of Mass Effect 3 (for example) if you didn't have the monies to do so...
Leaving it as a real money purchase, also stops people that would buy it for PLEX and then sell it for a hundred quid, undercutting CCP.
I'm not having a go at the people who are asking this, I'm simply stating that I think its a bad idea, and giving you a reason why I think this.
Discuss...(please lets keep it civil).
It's human nature to want to explore. To find your line and go beyond it. The only limit, is the one you set yourself. |
Dave Stark
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Posted - 2013.04.28 17:02:00 -
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plex is the only way i'd buy one.
but that's mainly because i couldn't stomach a -ú126 outgoing on my bank statement for an item where over 50% of it is things i don't want. |
Hessian Arcturus
S.W.O.R.D. Navy
42
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Posted - 2013.04.28 17:07:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:plex is the only way i'd buy one.
but that's mainly because i couldn't stomach a -ú126 outgoing on my bank statement for an item where over 50% of it is things i don't want.
The underlined part is brilliant point. You wouldn't fork out for something where only half of the stuff is used by yourself. Where as with PLEX its a case of 'meh I didnt use real money to buy it so it doesnt bother me'. To me that kind of lowers the value of a CE.
It's human nature to want to explore. To find your line and go beyond it. The only limit, is the one you set yourself. |
Zheketri
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
19
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Posted - 2013.04.28 17:15:00 -
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The problem with making it purchaseable with PLEX is that it's likely to put a higher demand on PLEX in game, increasing the price... considering the outcry about prices already, this might cause some unpleasantness.
If the CE turned out to be highly popular sold via PLEX it could really give prices a kick and I'm not certain CCP will do that without compelling reasons.
"Once you have taken his place, have you then defeated your enemy?" |
Ziphis
Aegis Consolidated
14
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Posted - 2013.04.28 17:17:00 -
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Personal opinion of mine Plex for stuff makes its all seem less palpable I mean Plex for re-sculpt and stuff I understand but stuff like a collectors edition hell imagine if they used Plex for stuff on the stores...anyone with a good 25-50bil could own the store 10x over and then sell it on ebay for profit.
Plex for in-game stuff good
Plex for stuff outta game....stupid idea and shouldnt and hopefully wont be done
In the case of you Dave yeah if you don't wanna spend the money on it don't simple as pie...not trolling not picking just being honest
In my own case I'm saving for the CE... because honestly I'm sad little man that wants a nice shiny new box. and a Rifter (In Rust we Trust right)
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Concurssi Mellenar
The Scope
Gallente Federation
45
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Posted - 2013.04.28 17:21:00 -
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Can someone explain to me why they think the CE should be purchasable with PLEX?
He who controls the veld, controls the universe. |
Dave Stark
2925
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Posted - 2013.04.28 17:22:00 -
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Concurssi Mellenar wrote:Can someone explain to me why they think the CE should be purchasable with PLEX?
because it's not unheard of that other things were purchasable with plex, eg fanfest tickets, and didn't they do something about plex for graphics cards a while ago or was that an obscure dream i had?
(could have been a dream, i had a nap earlier and dreamed that i was playing poker using polo mints as poker chips. good luck with that one dr freud) |
Hessian Arcturus
S.W.O.R.D. Navy
42
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Posted - 2013.04.28 17:23:00 -
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Zheketri wrote:The problem with making it purchaseable with PLEX is that it's likely to put a higher demand on PLEX in game, increasing the price... considering the outcry about prices already, this might cause some unpleasantness.
If the CE turned out to be highly popular sold via PLEX it could really give prices a kick and I'm not certain CCP will do that without compelling reasons.
Yeah bro, I know exactly what you mean there... "So people are buying PLEX to get the CE. Hmmmm buy this at my up marketed price muhahaha" *Twirls handlebar moustache and adjusts monocle*
People who rely on PLEX for subs, who barely scrape enough to get buy would be bitten in the backside.
It's human nature to want to explore. To find your line and go beyond it. The only limit, is the one you set yourself. |
Hessian Arcturus
S.W.O.R.D. Navy
42
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Posted - 2013.04.28 17:25:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:
(could have been a dream, i had a nap earlier and dreamed that i was playing poker using polo mints as poker chips. good luck with that one dr freud)
Just quickly off topic - did you win?
It's human nature to want to explore. To find your line and go beyond it. The only limit, is the one you set yourself. |
Dave Stark
2928
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Posted - 2013.04.28 17:26:00 -
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Ziphis wrote:In the case of you Dave yeah if you don't wanna spend the money on it don't simple as pie...not trolling not picking just being honest
i probably will miss out on the CE. that makes me slightly sad.
don't get me wrong, i don't think the CE is badly priced or anything. all of the content is worth -ú126, i just don't want all of the content.
but hey, that's just the way it is. |
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Dave Stark
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Posted - 2013.04.28 17:27:00 -
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Hessian Arcturus wrote:Dave Stark wrote:
(could have been a dream, i had a nap earlier and dreamed that i was playing poker using polo mints as poker chips. good luck with that one dr freud)
Just quickly off topic - did you win?
i had no idea, we were playing on a small table in the middle of a sport's hall and a guy came in mid game and told us that the session i'd booked had run out of time... |
Hessian Arcturus
S.W.O.R.D. Navy
43
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Posted - 2013.04.28 17:40:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Ziphis wrote:In the case of you Dave yeah if you don't wanna spend the money on it don't simple as pie...not trolling not picking just being honest i probably will miss out on the CE. that makes me slightly sad. don't get me wrong, i don't think the CE is badly priced or anything. all of the content is worth -ú126, i just don't want all of the content. but hey, that's just the way it is.
What do you and don't you want from out of the CE?
Dave Stark wrote:i had no idea, we were playing on a small table in the middle of a sport's hall and a guy came in mid game and told us that the session i'd booked had run out of time...
I hope you got minted  bad joke I know haha
It's human nature to want to explore. To find your line and go beyond it. The only limit, is the one you set yourself. |
Dave Stark
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Posted - 2013.04.28 18:15:00 -
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Hessian Arcturus wrote:What do you and don't you want from out of the CE?
things i do want: ingame goodies (pod, ships, blueprint), and the rifter usb thing.
things i'm mostly indifferent to: soundtrack and art book thing.
things i wouldn't care if they were missing from the box: dust drop suits, board game.
i think, if they did away with the board game, and the drop suits, and it worked out at -ú99.99 so it wasn't quite 3 figures (damn you psychology/ocd/whatever it is), i'd have preordered one. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
4960
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Posted - 2013.04.28 18:19:00 -
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Hessian Arcturus wrote: If they all decided to purchase a Collectors Edition via in game methods, then it will take away the aspect of it being a Collectors Edition due to the fact everyone will have one.
And what the f- is wrong with that ?
Did they even utter one word about this being Limited Edition ???
No.
Another dweeb who forgets CCP is actually a business.
There is much to be said in favour of modern journalism. By giving us the opinions of the uneducated, it keeps us in touch with the ignorance of the community.-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
4960
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Posted - 2013.04.28 18:21:00 -
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Zheketri wrote:The problem with making it purchaseable with PLEX is that it's likely to put a higher demand on PLEX in game, increasing the price... considering the outcry about prices already, this might cause some unpleasantness.
If the CE turned out to be highly popular sold via PLEX it could really give prices a kick and I'm not certain CCP will do that without compelling reasons.
PLEX 2 years ago was 300,000,000. You know what it is now.
I have not noticed any 'unpleasantness'.
There is much to be said in favour of modern journalism. By giving us the opinions of the uneducated, it keeps us in touch with the ignorance of the community.-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde |
Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
1168
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Posted - 2013.04.28 18:23:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:plex is the only way i'd buy one.
but that's mainly because i couldn't stomach a -ú126 outgoing on my bank statement for an item where over 50% of it is things i don't want.
This ^^ remove the DUST stuff and sell the Eve part at an even slightly lower price and I shall buy it.
This is not a signature. |
Tshaowdyne Dvorak
The Dark Space Initiative
Scary Wormhole People
34
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Posted - 2013.04.28 18:26:00 -
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Zheketri wrote:The problem with making it purchaseable with PLEX is that it's likely to put a higher demand on PLEX in game, increasing the price... considering the outcry about prices already, this might cause some unpleasantness.
If the CE turned out to be highly popular sold via PLEX it could really give prices a kick and I'm not certain CCP will do that without compelling reasons.
And the higher PLEX price in game will incentivize the people who buy PLEX to buy more of it and put it on the market in order to make more ISK, and the prices will drop back down.
For example, the Power of Two promotion caused a quick, temporary spike in prices and the complementing PLEX sale caused a drop, so the delta was actually pretty small and the prices remain about the same before both offers were introduced. Does it surprise you at all that CCP offered both at the same time, considering that?
Economics isn't just simple supply and demand curves. It's far more complicated than that. It's moves and counter moves, and counter-counter moves, and so on. People act on the market for lots of different reasons, some of which are inscrutable. Consider the effect of dumb, drunk people who mistakenly buy a low value ship for billions in their drunken stupor. It wasn't a rational act, but it happens nonetheless in this game. |
Hessian Arcturus
S.W.O.R.D. Navy
44
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Posted - 2013.04.28 18:41:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Hessian Arcturus wrote:What do you and don't you want from out of the CE? things i do want: ingame goodies (pod, ships, blueprint), and the rifter usb thing. things i'm mostly indifferent to: soundtrack and art book thing. things i wouldn't care if they were missing from the box: dust drop suits, board game. i think, if they did away with the board game, and the drop suits, and it worked out at -ú99.99 so it wasn't quite 3 figures (damn you psychology/ocd/whatever it is), i'd have preordered one.
Yeah, I agree with you there...To be fair, I dont have a PS3 so the DUST stuff is rendered moot for me, but I can understand them putting it in... And to be fair the CCP board game is more of a gimmik...
But the rest of the EVE stuff I can understand them...
Me, I like looking at art and the soundtracks of games so for me thats a bonus 
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
*Insults the OP because you dont agree*
I asked people to keep it civil, as a friendly debate. Not to start insulting people.
It's human nature to want to explore. To find your line and go beyond it. The only limit, is the one you set yourself. |
Ottersmacker
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
364
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Posted - 2013.04.28 18:47:00 -
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+ CCP gets their money, because all PLEX in existence (unless it's been simply spawned by CCP - something they claim not to do) has already been paid for anyway.
+ CCP potentially gets to sell more copies.
//editing to add:
Quote:Leaving it as a real money purchase, also stops people that would buy it for PLEX and then sell it for a hundred quid, undercutting CCP.
Even if this were to happen, CCP would still have been paid in full (because of PLEX). Ironically when Amazon carries their CE, they end up paying a % to Amazon. Probably a good idea to limit it to 1 per account like they did with the GFX cards though.
i just locked an open door.. strange, yet symbolically compelling. |
Michael Stabb
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2013.04.28 18:48:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Hessian Arcturus wrote: If they all decided to purchase a Collectors Edition via in game methods, then it will take away the aspect of it being a Collectors Edition due to the fact everyone will have one.
And what the f- is wrong with that ? Did they even utter one word about this being Limited Edition ??? No. Another dweeb who forgets CCP is actually a business.
Indeed. It's not special because it's a rare item that only a few are supposed to have, it's special because it's there to celebrate ten years of EVE.
You don't pull out a bottle of cheap champagne on new years and say "You can't have any because there's only so much of this". |
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Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
1330
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Posted - 2013.04.28 18:48:00 -
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Ottersmacker wrote:+ CCP gets their money, because all PLEX in existence (unless it's been simply spawned by CCP - something they claim not to do) has already been paid for anyway.
+ CCP potentially gets to sell more copies.
With an actual physical item, I doubt the process is that simple.
[url]https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=206023&find=unread[/url] |
Lord Okinaba
Hidden Agenda
82
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Posted - 2013.04.28 18:52:00 -
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It's a Collectors Edition, not a Limited Edition. I don't see your arguement. The more people that have access to it the better. |
Col Arran
Generic Incursion Tax Evasion
106
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Posted - 2013.04.28 18:58:00 -
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Hessian Arcturus wrote:"blah blah blah I don't have the ISK to buy the CE with PLEX so no one else should be able to either"
That's pretty much all I'm getting from your post. As for "undercutting" you apparently don't seem to know how PLEX works so let me explain. Each one is bought, with real money, from CCP. Meaning if CCP were to allow you to buy the CE with PLEX it would take PLEX out of the game, PLEX CCP already got money from. If someone were to then turn around and sell the CE for less than CCP well CCP already got money from that CE and the original buyer doesn't have one anymore and will have to buy another if they want one for themselves. It would ostensibly lead to more CE sales than less.
I know for a fact that if the CE would be purchasable with PLEX I'd get one right now, but since its not I will not be getting one. That's a lost sale right there and I wonder how many other people feel the same. Well from all the forum posts apparently its quite a few.
Brooks Puuntai wrote:Ottersmacker wrote:+ CCP gets their money, because all PLEX in existence (unless it's been simply spawned by CCP - something they claim not to do) has already been paid for anyway.
+ CCP potentially gets to sell more copies. With an actual physical item, I doubt the process is that simple.
CCP let you buy NVIDIA graphics cards for PLEX when they were first overhauling all the models to V3.....it is that simple.
As for the "distortion" of the PLEX prices, if you can barely afford PLEX as it is now then there is a big problem with what you're doing to make ISK. |
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
246
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Posted - 2013.04.28 19:00:00 -
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I have removed some offensive posts. Please keep it civil people!
2. Be respectful toward others at all times.
The purpose of the EVE Online forums is to provide a platform for exchange of ideas, and a venue for the discussion of EVE Online. Occasionally there will be conflicts that arise when people voice opinions. Forum users are expected to be courteous when disagreeing with others.
7. Use of profanity is prohibited.
The use of profanity is prohibited on the EVE Online forums. This includes the partial masking of letters using numbers or alternate symbols, and any attempts at bypassing the profanity filter.
ISD Ezwal
Lieutenant
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
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Kamorain Dinard
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.04.28 19:01:00 -
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Sounds sensible.
If you allow it to be purchased via PLEX, people with billions of ISK will buy lots of PLEX with ISK and use it to buy the collector's editions. This will distort the PLEX market and push up PLEX prices. Higher PLEX prices mean that people buying them with ISK to sub their accounts will be unable to do so and may stop playing, harming the game in the long run.
It is also an issue as it just distorts the PLEX market too much which advantages or disadvantages people trading PLEX for profit in game.
Another side effect will be that people will sell the collector's editions and assets that they buy with PLEXes which will make it less special and, be undercutting CCP selling it. This will be a big 'screw you' to people who already bought it full price. It is also a giant real-money-trading opportunity.
CCP: please don't sell it for PLEX or, if you do, just let people use PLEX for part (say half) of the purchase. If you do decide to sell things like this for PLEX in the future, announce that that will happen well in advance. |
Michael Stabb
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2013.04.28 19:06:00 -
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Kamorain Dinard wrote:Sounds sensible.
If you allow it to be purchased via PLEX, people with billions of ISK will buy lots of PLEX with ISK and use it to buy the collector's editions. This will distort the PLEX market and push up PLEX prices. Higher PLEX prices mean that people buying them with ISK to sub their accounts will be unable to do so and may stop playing, harming the game in the long run.
And then the people who sell PLEX will come in, buy more ETC's and start selling more PLEX until supply/demand evens out again. HOORAY FOR THE ECONOMY! \o/
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Hessian Arcturus
S.W.O.R.D. Navy
45
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Posted - 2013.04.28 19:20:00 -
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Col Arran wrote:Hessian Arcturus wrote:"blah blah blah I don't have the ISK to buy the CE with PLEX so no one else should be able to either" That's pretty much all I'm getting from your post. As for "undercutting" you apparently don't seem to know how PLEX works so let me explain. Each one is bought, with real money, from CCP. Meaning if CCP were to allow you to buy the CE with PLEX it would take PLEX out of the game, PLEX CCP already got money from. If someone were to then turn around and sell the CE for less than CCP well CCP already got money from that CE and the original buyer doesn't have one anymore and will have to buy another if they want one for themselves. It would ostensibly lead to more CE sales than less. I know for a fact that if the CE would be purchasable with PLEX I'd get one right now, but since its not I will not be getting one. That's a lost sale right there and I wonder how many other people feel the same. Well from all the forum posts apparently its quite a few. Brooks Puuntai wrote:Ottersmacker wrote:+ CCP gets their money, because all PLEX in existence (unless it's been simply spawned by CCP - something they claim not to do) has already been paid for anyway.
+ CCP potentially gets to sell more copies. With an actual physical item, I doubt the process is that simple. CCP let you buy NVIDIA graphics cards for PLEX when they were first overhauling all the models to V3.....it is that simple. As for the "distortion" of the PLEX prices, if you can barely afford PLEX as it is now then there is a big problem with what you're doing to make ISK.
Man, I have more than enough ISK to PLEX my account lol but I still wouldn't buy the CE via PLEX...
To me a collectors edition should be bought with real money...
But like I said in my OP I'm only giving my opinion and stating that others should also voice theirs so I can get what other peoples views are. This isn't a winge thread mate. Just having a friendly debate...
Also people seem to be under the impression I think its a limited edition... I am aware that as of yet, there is no limit on how many can be bought. But if everyone bought the collectors edition, it stops being a collectable...
It's human nature to want to explore. To find your line and go beyond it. The only limit, is the one you set yourself. |
Robus Muvila
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
254
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Posted - 2013.04.28 19:23:00 -
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"It is not enough that I can have the collecters edition, it is more important that others cannot have it"
TMC Senior Developer
http://themittani.com - Because EvE has needed a proper news site for ages |
MeBiatch
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
939
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Posted - 2013.04.28 19:25:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:plex is the only way i'd buy one.
but that's mainly because i couldn't stomach a -ú126 outgoing on my bank statement for an item where over 50% of it is things i don't want.
money is money... a person has to actually initially purchase a plex for rl money... so it makes no difference bettween plex or credit its all money in ccp eyes.
Ok, so you've corrected my spelling,do you care to make a valid point?
-áThere are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... |
Dave Stark
2951
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Posted - 2013.04.28 19:31:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:Dave Stark wrote:plex is the only way i'd buy one.
but that's mainly because i couldn't stomach a -ú126 outgoing on my bank statement for an item where over 50% of it is things i don't want. money is money... a person has to actually initially purchase a plex for rl money... so it makes no difference bettween plex or credit its all money in ccp eyes.
true, but the payment makes a difference to my eyes :P |
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Ottersmacker
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
365
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Posted - 2013.04.28 19:38:00 -
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Kamorain Dinard wrote:If you do decide to sell things like this for PLEX in the future, announce that that will happen well in advance.
It's not like it would be shipped before October anyway, if they came out with a 'statement of Yes it will be available for PLEX', people have like half a year to purchase it via PLEX as a pre-order, and all the time in the world after that without the pre-order swag. It's not as if it was a 5 minute window that would cause every PLEX ever to be bought up.
The RMT worries are by far less significant than with something like a GFX card. Hundreds of millions of consumers are potentially interested in purchasing graphics cards. How many do you think would like a 150 Gé¼ collectors edition of an Internet spaceship game? Probably more than 0, but worrying about 'CCP being undercut' makes no sense, because they've been already paid for the PLEX.
i just locked an open door.. strange, yet symbolically compelling. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation
RAZOR Alliance
4775
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Posted - 2013.04.28 19:40:00 -
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Brooks Puuntai wrote:Ottersmacker wrote:+ CCP gets their money, because all PLEX in existence (unless it's been simply spawned by CCP - something they claim not to do) has already been paid for anyway.
+ CCP potentially gets to sell more copies. With an actual physical item, I doubt the process is that simple.
Of course it is. Why wouldn't it be? The exchange of money is exactly the same, so why does the product or service make a difference?
I was talking about this a while back with someone regarding Fanfest. You could buy Fanfest tickets with PLEX but you couldn't buy, say, airline tickets. It's perfectly doable and CCP might even turn a profit from doing so. PLEX cost is maybe $18 or $19 on average depending on the packages that people buy, so CCP would ask for the amount of PLEX that covers the cost of the ticket, rounded up one. If say ticket cost modulo* plex cost is $5 on average and 1000 people buy tickets with PLEX, then CCP turns a profit of $5000 for nothing other than being an intermediary in the transaction.
(Modulo is essentially an operation that gives you the remainder of an integer division. 10 / 3 = 3 with remainder 1, so 10 modulo 3 is 1) |
Michael Stabb
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2013.04.28 20:25:00 -
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Hessian Arcturus wrote:. I am aware that as of yet, there is no limit on how many can be bought. But if everyone bought the collectors edition, it stops being a collectable...
Pokemon cards, sports cards, Pogz., stamps, those cards you used to get in cigarette packets.. even money! All mass produced but all collectable. Sure, some are crap (depending on who you're talking to) but much of it is worth a lot of money.
If this is about wanting something unique that lets you say "Look at this, I have this but many people don't", you're missing the point of having an item to celebrate ten years of EVE.
Don't be fooled by "Collectors Edition", everything becomes "valuable" in time.. except maybe Madonna. |
Nathalie LaPorte
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
135
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Posted - 2013.04.28 20:28:00 -
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Michael Stabb wrote:Hessian Arcturus wrote:. I am aware that as of yet, there is no limit on how many can be bought. But if everyone bought the collectors edition, it stops being a collectable... Pokemon cards, sports cards, Pogz., stamps, those cards you used to get in cigarette packets.. even money! All mass produced but all collectable. Sure, some are crap (depending on who you're talking to) but much of it is worth a lot of money. If this is about wanting something unique that lets you say "Look at this, I have this but many people don't", you're missing the point of having an item to celebrate ten years of EVE. Don't be fooled by "Collectors Edition", everything becomes "valuable" in time.. except maybe Madonna.
Someone isn't current on the Forbes 'richest musicians' list.
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Michael Stabb
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2013.04.28 20:35:00 -
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Nathalie LaPorte wrote:
Someone isn't current on the Forbes 'richest musicians' list.
She may have money but that doesn't make her valued  |
Alaekessa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
89
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Posted - 2013.04.28 20:38:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:plex is the only way i'd buy one.
but that's mainly because i couldn't stomach a -ú126 outgoing on my bank statement for an item where over 50% of it is things i don't want.
Go check the Dust GD, you might like what you find.
C'mon CCP, let us suicide gank the high-sec pub matches in Dust..... |
Dave Stark
2961
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Posted - 2013.04.28 20:40:00 -
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interesting. |
Hessian Arcturus
S.W.O.R.D. Navy
48
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Posted - 2013.04.28 21:32:00 -
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Michael Stabb wrote:Nathalie LaPorte wrote:
Someone isn't current on the Forbes 'richest musicians' list.
She may have money but that doesn't make her valued
Definitely would  if you know what I mean hahahaha
No no I dont want the CE to say "look at this I have it and not many others do"... I might not even be able to get it if I cant save up enough and they decide to make it "x amount"...
I know CCP get money from PLEX that people buy, but someone who just buys PLEX from the market in game, with in game ISK that they've amased from years (I know it doesnt take years to make ISK) and then gets a CE... They have just got the CE for free... Some one else baught the PLEX with RL money, theyve baught it with money that doesnt exist..
I dont know if ive put across very well what im trying to say there...its good in my head, but I dont know if you understand what I mean in that last paragraph? Lol If not, sorry...
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Dub Step
Death To Everyone But Us
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Posted - 2013.04.28 22:27:00 -
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Waah, somebody aquired some box of needless stuff via a different monetary method than me and I cant TAKE IT!!!111.
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Gogela
Freeport Exploration
Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
2410
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Posted - 2013.04.28 22:36:00 -
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PLEX is real money just as dollars are. PLEX represents real money. I don't see what the problem is. 6 PLEX for digital edition seems more than reasonable, especially if you don't get the physical goods.
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
2410
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Posted - 2013.04.28 22:38:00 -
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CCP would actually make more by selling the CE for PLEX.
For me that's neither here nor there, though. What I want is to be able to cover the insane shipping cost with PLEX.
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Robus Muvila
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
256
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Posted - 2013.04.29 00:26:00 -
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If I could offset the cost of the Collectors edition by unloading the Dust514 content on someone else I would buy the collecters edition in a heartbeat, but what is CCP's stance on this? Seeing as this is an unredeemed coupon does this fall outside of RMT clauses of trading game assets for real money seeing as the game assets haven't been redeemed yet?
Seems like a bit of a grey area, but one that holds pretty heavy sway on whether I would shell out for the collectors edition or not.
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Owena Owoked
Apocalypse Reign
21
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Posted - 2013.04.29 01:45:00 -
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Robus Muvila wrote:If I could offset the cost of the Collectors edition by unloading the Dust514 content on someone else I would buy the collecters edition in a heartbeat, but what is CCP's stance on this? Seeing as this is an unredeemed coupon does this fall outside of RMT clauses of trading game assets for real money seeing as the game assets haven't been redeemed yet? Seems like a bit of a grey area, but one that holds pretty heavy sway on whether I would shell out for the collectors edition or not.
Considering that it is a physical good I would say that once you have it there should be no problem putting it up on ebay or craig's list. So a private sale should fall under that as well. |
Kamorain Dinard
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.04.29 02:05:00 -
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Michael Stabb wrote:Kamorain Dinard wrote:Sounds sensible.
If you allow it to be purchased via PLEX, people with billions of ISK will buy lots of PLEX with ISK and use it to buy the collector's editions. This will distort the PLEX market and push up PLEX prices. Higher PLEX prices mean that people buying them with ISK to sub their accounts will be unable to do so and may stop playing, harming the game in the long run.
And then the people who sell PLEX will come in, buy more ETC's and start selling more PLEX until supply/demand evens out again. HOORAY FOR THE ECONOMY! \o/
Why do you say that people would buy more PLEX and enter more into the economy if the ISK price of them rises? PLEX don't work like normal goods because, they aren't really just goods in the EVE economy at all, they are a means to exchange $ for ISK or, ISK for game time (which, since it otherwise costs $s is basically just a proxy for $s).
PLEX enter the EVE economy by people buying them from CCP for $ and selling them for ISK in EVE to get an ISK boost. If the ISK price of them rises, people get more ISK per PLEX they buy or, equivalently, more ISK per $. People most likely want some amount of ISK in game (that isn't dependant on price of PLEX) so, they spend some amount of $ on PLEX. If the ISK price of PLEX rises, they get more ISK per PLEX (or per $ spent on PLEX) so, they don't need to buy as many as before to get the same amount of ISK. This means that, counterintuitively, the more expensive PLEX are in terms of ISK, the less of them get bought.
PLEX work the opposite way round to most items because, their price in ISK is actually their value to the people buying them from CCP (which is what creates them) and, their $ price is the price that the consumer sees when buying them from CCP so, if their ISK price rises, there will actually be less of them, not more as with most goods in EVE. It is the $ price of PLEX that has to fall to make people buy more of them (i.e. more of them enter the EVE economy).
If CCP make a new use for lots of PLEX (like making people able to buy the collector's edition with them), they need to also make them cheaper in real money to keep the PLEX market stable (which they aren't likely to want to do). |
Fredfredbug4
Eve Defence Force
Tribal Band
777
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Posted - 2013.04.29 02:13:00 -
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Because of PLEX being purchasable with "real money" that makes ISK and subsequently PLEX "real money" as well.
33,333,333.33 ISK is roughly equivalent to 1 USD, give or take.
Therefore, purchasing the collectors edition for PLEX is perfectly reasonable and should be allowed.
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Rachel Starchaser
Perkone
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.04.29 02:54:00 -
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What is a collectors edition? |
Ember Saint
Time-Lost Proto-Drake
8
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Posted - 2013.04.29 07:44:00 -
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Hessian Arcturus wrote:someone who just buys PLEX from the market in game and then gets a CE... They have just got the CE for free...
Would you give away, say to me, all of your ISK - after all 'it's free'? : ) I doubt it, because obtaining the ISK also took some effort. There's also alternative cost - I bought 10 PLEX in anticipation for a potential CE offer, if I used them for such a purpose, I'd miss out on 10 months of game time. It's not 'free' : )
Kamorain Dinard wrote: This means that, counterintuitively, the more expensive PLEX are in terms of ISK, the less of them get bought.
"How much ISK am I getting for this?" is what a person considering sale of PLEX asks themselves. Do you think the amount of people willing to take the opportunity is constant regardless of the conversion rate, say both for 15$->300M ISK and 15$->500M ISK? |
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Drunk 'n' Disorderly
670
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Posted - 2013.04.29 08:00:00 -
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Op....you know that it is only called a collectors edition that you can feel like a special snowflake, do you?
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Elizabeth S
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Posted - 2013.04.29 08:01:00 -
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Here is a quote from CCP Spitfire from another thread
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=229742&p=2
Quote:This collectors edition will be limited in terms of copies produced; i.e. once they're gone, they're gone.
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Cesar Caltrans
Caltrans
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Posted - 2013.04.29 08:09:00 -
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I haven't seen the CE yet but I would rather buy it with cash.
it would keep it rare in the long run
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Ember Saint
Time-Lost Proto-Drake
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Posted - 2013.04.29 08:14:00 -
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It wouldn't make sense to produce less than they can potentially sell if they have any business sense at all. They will add up all pre-orders, come up with a number of potential neo-neckbeard purchasers over the span of a few years and add those as well + include a nice stash for random future purposes .. that will be the number of copies produced. |
Colonel Xaven
Decadence.
RAZOR Alliance
268
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Posted - 2013.04.29 08:19:00 -
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Hessian Arcturus wrote:In my opinion, this would be a bad idea on CCPs part. There are hundreds, probably thousands of players in the game with billions and billions of ISK. If they all decided to purchase a Collectors Edition via in game methods, then it will take away the aspect of it being a Collectors Edition due to the fact everyone will have one. In my opinion all Limited Editions or Collectors Editions should only ever be purchasable by real money. If you cant afford it, well save for it. You wouldnt go into a store and buy the N7 Edition of Mass Effect 3 (for example) if you didn't have the monies to do so... Leaving it as a real money purchase, also stops people that would buy it for PLEX and then sell it for a hundred quid, undercutting CCP. I'm not having a go at the people who are asking this, I'm simply stating that I think its a bad idea, and giving you a reason why I think this. Discuss...(please lets keep it civil). EDIT: Just in case anyone does think about saying, oh its someone with a lot of real life money ready to splash it around, this isnt the case. I will be saving money each month so I may purchase a copy...
You are aware that every PLEX is backed up by real money? So either buying for 150 $ / EUR or the adequate PLEX amount doesn't matter for CCP.
What ever non-economic issue you might have with that, I don't understand it.
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Sentient Blade
Walk It Off
908
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Posted - 2013.04.29 08:35:00 -
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I reallllly wanted the collectors edition too. But I'm in agreement with Stark here, I have no interest in either the board game or the DUST stuff (mainly because it's not available on PC).
Everything in it to do with EVE i'd gladly purchase for -ú99 but it looks like a lot of the packaging and such has been made towards fitting an almost completely unrelated board game >.> whoops.
It's made it a bit tougher decision for me. |
Tiberius StarGazer
StarGazer Heavy Industries And Exploration
365
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Posted - 2013.04.29 08:38:00 -
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I don't see what the issue is, someone somewhere paid for a plex and had it put into the game. Just because someone without the cash uses the PLEX doesn't mean that it hasn't been paid for.
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Kousaka Otsu Shigure
Telluria Mechanics
0
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Posted - 2013.04.29 10:11:00 -
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Well, I must HAVE that Golden Pod.. it would be against my Amarrian heritage not to pre-order it! Truly, "Collectors Item" has been misused quite often as to cheapen the term.
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Hessian Arcturus
S.W.O.R.D. Navy
51
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Posted - 2013.04.29 13:19:00 -
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Well there we have it... It is a Limited Edition Collectors Edition...
In my opinion, that should be real money only... But like I say, thats my opinion
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Luke Diligovictus
Repercussus
RAZOR Alliance
9
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Posted - 2013.04.29 15:09:00 -
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I'm for making it available for plex, and here's my points on that;
1) Eve is a game that already allows financially challenged people to play with the same rights/priviledges as 'paid' subscribers, and they do this via a form of in-game RMT-ing via PLEX. To have a collectors edition that caters to only the PLEX-Sellers and not the PLEX-Consumers is, in my opinion, unfair to the large part of the community that is used to having the same access to the game as PLEX-Sellers.
2) A lot of people seem to think that having an increased demand for plex will drive prices up too high for the plex-consumers to continue using them - this is totally unfounded, in my opinion. I know alot of people who use plex for their accounts (and i'm talking highsec, not nullsec here) and i'm pretty sure they would still play if it took 2-3 days of isk farming to afford a plex instead of 1-2 days. Eve currency is already worth alot in real life money compared to other games, in relation to how easy it is to get. (e.g. it would take alot longer to get the equivalent of $20 worth of currency in another game than it would take to get $20 worth in eve).
3) Alot of the Plex-Sellers i know DO actually buy more plex when the price spikes, so they get the most out of their money. This happened with the New Eden Open tournament (plexes were above 650m for a while), then CCP put a little notice on the launcher essentially saying "oh my, the plex prices are spiking due to this entry fee". Lo and behold, the day that was put up, plex prices plummeted as the market was flooded with people trying to get the most out of their plexes.
TLDR: Plex supply DOES increase when the price is up ASSUMING PEOPLE UNDERSTAND IT'S A TEMPORARY SPIKE.
4) Some of us REALLY can't afford the collectors edition anytime soon, and as it has been announced that it will be of finite supply, how can we get the CE in time? I personally have only $60 a month in spending money TOTAL, so not only would i have to save for more than 3 months, but i'd also have to nix all other expenses as well. e.g. no grabbing a quick slice of pizza when in a rush, no monthly lunch out with the family... Should i have not spend a dime for 4 months just to get a collectors edition for a game I love?
Also, for those that look at me and go "bah, he lives in nullsec, he probably has tons of plexes and doesnt know how much people work in highsec to get their plexes", rest assured that's not the case. Highsec (and lowsec) now offer so many ways to get isk... I myself tried industry (was very profitable), scanning (some items you can loot in highsec are almost worth a plex BY ITSELF), wormhole daytripping (fairly steady) and missions (booooring, but the isk is there).
I was able to fund 2 accounts long before i moved to nullsec, and was still able to save over a billion a month.
I propose this idea forward: Instead of making a collectors edition available for plex, limited to 1 per account (which is a silly limit, most people with lots of isk run multiple accounts, i myself have a bunch of accounts running at the moment), How about CCP puts a 'Collectors Edition Application' up; you basically write a short blurb on why you want the CE via plex, then CCP does a quick background check (e.g. checks that you havent already asked for one with a different account, that you've been paying for your account with plexes already and therefore are serious, etc) and then decides whether or not to allow you to buy it with plex. This route would make it hard for people who just want to find a way to get cash value for their plexes, and CCP would be able to track them easily.
I would happily pay 20 plex for one CE - having a golden pod on my main, having the dust gear for my 1 dust account... Thats all most of us plex-to-play-ers are asking.
And before anyone bashes my points, understand that this is not me guessing, or making assumptions - this is based on my observations over almost 2 years of playing this delicious game. =) |
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