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Tripoli	Posted - 2005.09.29 05:51:00 - [1] OK, this message is directly aimed at our beloved developers and their supporting Interstellar Services Department: PLEASE STOP THE SKILL QUEUE POSTS. There must be thousands of threads about this now. Make it stop. HereÆs what you need to do: Have a dev start a thread and sticky it on the Features and Ideas Discussions forum and the Skills forum. (But do please leave my sticky at the top. ) Make the topic ôNo Skill QueueàEverö or something like that. On the Skills forum post, simply have a link to the other post with a brief explanation, and LOCK that post. Then, on the main post in the Features and Ideas forum, have the dev write a nice, clear explanation of why CCP will never implement this feature. Leave that thread open for responses. Then, my dear friends in ISD, please lock any other player-started threads about this topic. (this message copied in the Features and Ideas forum) ---
Tripoli	Posted - 2005.09.29 06:32:00 - [2] Okay, okay...So maybe there aren't thousands of related threads, but here are a handful I found at a glance: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=7093 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=228442 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=228377 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=227963 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=220728 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=223091 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=223047 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=229800 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=229002 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=225649 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=218636 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=215232 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=214617 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=214147 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=213170 ---
Sable Moran	Posted - 2005.09.29 07:55:00 - [3] Good post and I agree, but to get the best response from ISD for it I suggest you email it to: [email protected] ----- Sable's Ammo Shop at Alentene 5, Moon 4, Duvolle Laboratories Factory. Ammo at affordable prices.
EzTarget	Posted - 2005.09.29 10:31:00 - [4] Also maybe suggest that the ISD are not that good at locking thread or something, then they will lock this thread.... Only joking I think the Dev's (and by devs I mean ALL OF CCP not just the guys we know about, but also the faceless and nameless ones that lurk in the far corners of the eve universe and manipulate the wars between the allianaces) ISD, GM's, the cleaners that unplug the servers once a month to allow the power gamers to get some sleep and food, and of course C&W for hosting the best game in the world, until MegaMan-Online comes out for the DS of course One of the devs for the new Future Falcon Suite of Eve Tools, visit us here
Sangxianc	Posted - 2005.09.29 17:53:00 - [5] Well to be honest, it is pretty **** that you don't get to queue even a single skill. You shouldn't be punished for losing your internet connection: it's not like the whole "you should plan your life around your skill queue" argument even works for that because you can't plan for it. Can ya link to the post where they gave a reason for it? - Do not deny yourself experience of that which lies beyond, behind the sun, in the world they call unpeopled.
Chaplain Veritas	Posted - 2005.09.30 00:49:00 - [6] yeah especially when you're a newb and don't have a whole lot of skills that take a billion hours to train it sucks to not have a que. The skills that are really annoying are the ones in the 3-6 hr range, too short to really be able to leave it alone while you're at work, sleeping, or whatever, but too long to babysit while you're playing. I seem to have a lot of those right now lol!
MWEI	Posted - 2005.09.30 01:04:00 - [7] Well I would think a "lite mode" for EVE would be very nice. I mean, that way you can change your skills at any computer rather than have to have EVE installed. Its dosnt really change anything since anyone can install a free fresh copy of EVE anywhere they go and change skills, but creating a "lite" version just make that process all the much easier if you encounter a computer running Win95 or something.
Deja Thoris	Posted - 2005.09.30 07:47:00 - [8] This suggestion is full of common sense, its easy to implement, costs nothing and is helpful. Click locked for discussing moderation /me wanders off expecting a kick in the nadgers in the near future
Maric	Posted - 2005.09.30 11:29:00 - [9] Skill queue? What a wonderfull idea!!! Can we have it?
Empyre	Posted - 2005.09.30 17:31:00 - [10] Originally by: MWEI Well I would think a "lite mode" for EVE would be very nice. I mean, that way you can change your skills at any computer rather than have to have EVE installed. Its dosnt really change anything since anyone can install a free fresh copy of EVE anywhere they go and change skills, but creating a "lite" version just make that process all the much easier if you encounter a computer running Win95 or something. games have always had minimum system requirements. why should ccp have to be held to a different standard and create versions of their game for people with less than the minimum requirements? personally, i wouldn't even mind a web-based interface to initiate the training of a skill. but even that i think is pushing the line of balance to one side or the other.
Ghoest	Posted - 2005.09.30 20:47:00 - [11] I wish the was a skill queue. Even if it only held 1 skill it would be nice.
Empyre	Posted - 2005.09.30 21:24:00 - [12] I wish I got paid to play this game all day and night. I'd work hella overtime.
Fade Routha	Posted - 2005.11.19 06:45:00 - [13] Well ok i do think that a java or something oof the like that we could change skills monitor wallet simple things like that would be very nice. I doubt it will happen due to the fact that it would create many requests for server time which equals lag, and unhappy players. sigh SO PLZ GOD LET IT GO
Kelhund	Posted - 2005.11.20 05:12:00 - [14] What about those of us loyal and faithful players who are also serving in their country's Armed Forces and are looking forward to a 1 year deployment to Iraq? I know I could most definately benefit from a qeue, ***** about it being a nerf all you want, but I think its unfair for me to loose a year of training time to my current employer, the US Army.....
Tripoli	Posted - 2005.11.20 05:49:00 - [15] Originally by: Kelhund What about those of us loyal and faithful players who are also serving in their country's Armed Forces and are looking forward to a 1 year deployment to Iraq? I know I could most definately benefit from a qeue, ***** about it being a nerf all you want, but I think its unfair for me to loose a year of training time to my current employer, the US Army..... In that situation, I would hope that our beloved Devs would allow you the privelage to either continuing training while you were gone using some kind of automated system, or allow you to add 'missed' training once you returned. There'd have to be a way of keeping the system from being exploited, though. I missed four months of training that I'd gladly pay $60 to get back, but my excuse isn't anywhere close to as good as yours. My best friend and his wife just went to Iraq and left their newborn girl behind. Anything we can possibly do to accomodate our military should be done. (Not just US military.) ---
Kelhund	Posted - 2005.11.20 05:57:00 - [16] Aye, any way to recoup the time would be nice, but what would be good too is if you could change skills via the character manager, I think that would prolly solve alot of gripes, but I dont know how feasible that really is, if at all

Abdalion	Posted - 2005.11.20 06:10:00 - [17] Originally by: Maric Skill queue? What a wonderfull idea!!! Can we have it? NO. But seriously, if you have a redundant thread that you would like us to take care of, please email us at [email protected] and we will deal with it as soon as we can. I can't speak for the Devs, perhaps one will see this in time and make a post. --- forum rules \| [email protected] I ♥ You.... ¬ Shepherd of the [23]

Vixa Ambrodel	Posted - 2005.11.20 07:12:00 - [18] Originally by: Abdalion I can't speak for the Devs, perhaps one will see this in time and make a post. Do like Eris do, bug them until someone takes a look at it But then again, maybe it only works because Eris is female.... At least ingame
Sarmea Moon	Posted - 2005.11.22 14:11:00 - [19] Originally by: Kelhund What about those of us loyal and faithful players who are also serving in their country's Armed Forces and are looking forward to a 1 year deployment to Iraq? I know I could most definately benefit from a qeue, ***** about it being a nerf all you want, but I think its unfair for me to loose a year of training time to my current employer, the US Army..... I am currently serving, and have 2 weeks left. Yep, we have internet connections here, and you can play on your laptop. I don't get to log in often, however, as it is VERY mission dependent. The very first question I asked was about training queues on the newbie board for exactly this reason:)
Esirnos	Posted - 2005.11.28 09:55:00 - [20] Perhaps the dev's could consider making it a reward. For instance, a rare hard to get implant that allows you to queue up to 3 or 4 skills.
Gator McKlusky	Posted - 2005.11.29 02:28:00 - [21] Signed....sorry for the repeat post Tripoli, yours was hidden among all the "skill queue plz!?!" posts GM
Tripoli	Posted - 2005.11.29 02:32:00 - [22] Oh, no problem at all. The more anti-skill queue posts the better. ---
Tony Fats	Posted - 2005.11.29 06:18:00 - [23] Ya know, it takes a special kind of self-important bunghole to petition the devs to keep others from talking about issues that are important to them. Who the f*ck are you, the king of iceland? Yeah that's a great idea, let's shut all the newer players up so happymeal eating bungholes with 40 million SP and a full set of implants can feel special. Look. You play the Skillpoint subgame. That's fine. I don't tell people how to play their game. So don't tell me how to play mine. I am totally for skill queing, I think it's necessary to ease the pain of new players, and I will ask for this feature anytime I damn well please until it becomes a reality.
Guillitene Fall	Posted - 2005.11.29 06:21:00 - [24] I used to think Skill Queues would be awesome, but then I started thinking about it....If I could just queue up skills, then I wouldn't play cause I have friends with isk so Skill books are not a problem...so I start at the top when I play...well that's unfair for people that had to work for it, then the changing skills from online would be good, but...same thing...oh well that's my two cents on the topic. The Skill Queue is bad....I know people in the armed forces that play it every day....Army anyhow.
Stephen HB	Posted - 2005.11.29 07:17:00 - [25] For the love of God, make them stop Every time you post a skill queue thread, Tripoli kills a puppy. -- Originally by: Nyphur The irony is astounding. The sheer level of raw irony here is enough to iron my clothes for a year. EVE Tracking Guide
Tripoli	Posted - 2005.11.29 07:56:00 - [26] Edited by: Tripoli on 29/11/2005 08:02:33 Originally by: Tony Fats Ya know, it takes a special kind of self-important bunghole to petition the devs to keep others from talking about issues that are important to them. Who the f*ck are you, the king of iceland? Yeah that's a great idea, let's shut all the newer players up so happymeal eating bungholes with 40 million SP and a full set of implants can feel special. Look. You play the Skillpoint subgame. That's fine. I don't tell people how to play their game. So don't tell me how to play mine. I am totally for skill queing, I think it's necessary to ease the pain of new players, and I will ask for this feature anytime I damn well please until it becomes a reality. I do believe you have entirely misunderstood my goal. It is not to stop people from discussing this issue or voicing their opinions. It is to stop people from creating thread after thread after thread about this same topic, much like people keep starting posts about macrominers and selling timecards for isk. We need to have one thread where this is discussed...not hundreds. My stance is: I don't believe there should be a skill queue. The devs have their own very good reasons for not having a skill queue or the ability to train from the website. It forces people to log in. Logging in keeps people interested and keeps them paying their subscriptions. What if CCP changes their mind and does add the ability to queue skills or train from the website? Fine by me. I don't think it's the best idea, but then it's not my game, I'm just here to play. No, I'm not the king of Iceland. I prefer it warm, thanks. I don't have 40 million skill points. I haven't eaten a happy meal in a decade...and even then it was only because my girlfriend (now wife) wanted to get a full set of the Teenie Beenie Babies. I don't play the "skillpoint game." I'm just a skill collector. You are telling me how to play the game by saying I shouldn't have posted this topic. I'll post whatever I damn well please. My goal is simply to help keep this discussion localized in one place to help keep the forums clean and so that people don't have to even ask the question. Perhaps if you read my entire original post for this topic you'd see that I asked CCP to post a topic in another forum where this could be openly discussed in an appropriate stetting. Lastly, I'd appreciate it if you didn't refer to me as a bunghole. While you may not be fully aware of it, one of the things I spend a great deal of time with is helping the newer members of the EVE community better understand EVE's attribute and skill system. Over the past two and a half years this has included countless replies to people's posts asking about this very issue. You may think I am a bunghole, but I can assure you that I have earned my fair share of respect from the EVE community. Have you? Considering your latest post is about the meal you just ate and the big crap you're about to take...I highly doubt it. Grow up. ---
Ralitge boyter	Posted - 2005.11.29 09:01:00 - [27] Whow it seems like some has got their feelings hurt a little... I for one agree with Tripoli and his request to make a central post in which this is discussed. As I do understand the requests and I am sure it would have saved me a lot of lost time because having to suddenly work 18 hours instead of the planned 8 makes for difficult skill training plans. Yet the fact that it would make it very easy to abuse the system is also in my opinion a real issue. I think how ever that Tripoli's latest request to not be called a bunghole is a fair one. As far as I know Tripoli has not insulted people nor has he given people a reason to insult him. And Tripoli is right he has done a lot of good for the EVE community over the years and he does sometimes even to the point where it's almost anoying to read it again (sorry Tripoli) explain how the attribute system works to the newer players among us. ------------------------------------------- Should you disagree with me, well I guess that is because I disagree with you. If you have a problem with that please feel free not to tell me.
Elfaen Ethenwe	Posted - 2005.11.29 11:35:00 - [28] good idea dude. ISD peeps should pester the devs, that way they get the heat and we dont :) To those people who serve their country USA or otherwise, I have a couple of RAF buddies over here in the UK who play, get a family member to train the skills for you. If you dont have someone who can train teh skills for you. Transfer the character to a trusted friend who can train it for you. I would say give them your login details but thats against teh eula.
Tony Fats	Posted - 2005.11.29 11:57:00 - [29] Edited by: Tony Fats on 29/11/2005 12:04:07 If anything, getting money from your friend to buy skills is the unfair "exploit", eventually you're a top battleship driver through no effort of your own. Skill queing is a convenience, nothing more nothing less, keeps you from having to set your alarm clock or otherwise lose training time. Anyway, total SP amount isn't AS important as knowledge of the game. Okay so your ship turns %2 slower than the next guy, or he can drive every single ship in the game, and you can only drive 1 race, so what, that doesn't gimp anybody. There's plenty of 40 million SP players who sit in empire and run a business, and that's perfectly fine, but total SP numbers are more of a psychological pain than any sort of tangible limitation. So why not ease the pain for newer players? Why not give them the tiny boost you never had? Who does it hurt? You're worried about character sellers? What, like having to login and set the skill is some kind of deterrent to character sellers? Hey sorry for ripping your head off, I'm just dumbfounded that there's this much resistance to something that has no downside. You know why the Dev crew doesn't want to do it? Because it's a technical limitation. The server's not gonna keep track of 90,000 players' skill ques, so it will never happen. But if they could find a way...that would be cool I think.
Draaken	Posted - 2005.11.30 00:05:00 - [30] Originally by: Tony Fats Edited by: Tony Fats on 29/11/2005 12:04:07 If anything, getting money from your friend to buy skills is the unfair "exploit", eventually you're a top battleship driver through no effort of your own. Skill queing is a convenience, nothing more nothing less, keeps you from having to set your alarm clock or otherwise lose training time. And exactly where is the personal effort in an automated skill-queue? Disclaimer: I'm not saying it wouldn't be convenient to have one, nor am I taking any position whether it'd be good or bad to have one, just trying to point out that you're not putting up a consistent argument there... ____________________

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