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None ofthe Above 545	Posted - 2013.04.30 17:54:00 - [61] - Quote CCP Fozzie wrote: None ofthe Above wrote: The change in the mechanic makes a bit of sense to me, but this part about only spawning enough in high sec to meet 80% of high sec's demand has left me scratching my shiny head. You're reading it wrong. Highsec will only spawn enough ice to meet 80% of the whole universe's demand. It will spawn roughly 800% of what it needs to meet Highsec's demand. Oh? Well then sorry for my mistake. That doesn't sound too bad. I hope you voted, you glorious but often apathetic bastards! STV working as intended; Pre-elections and Get out the Vote, room for improvement.
DarthNefarius Minmatar Heavy Industries 968	Posted - 2013.04.30 17:58:00 - [62] - Quote CCP Fozzie wrote: None ofthe Above wrote: The change in the mechanic makes a bit of sense to me, but this part about only spawning enough in high sec to meet 80% of high sec's demand has left me scratching my shiny head. You're reading it wrong. Highsec will only spawn enough ice to meet 80% of the whole universe's demand. It will spawn roughly 800% of what it needs to meet Highsec's demand. 800% WOW... out of curiosiy what are the statistics of WH vs NULL vs LO sec POS'? Wish we still had a CCP Diagoras so we could figure out better where we are in Eve so there'd be a little less confusion which starts bad rumour like the 1 None of the Above had An' then [email protected], he come scramblin outta theTerminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system'scrashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Haulie Berry 565	Posted - 2013.04.30 18:02:00 - [63] - Quote DarthNefarius wrote: Haulie Berry wrote: Quote: ...and that bots are going to be fuckered up by this change... It would be EXTREMELY difficult, if not impossible, to devise gameplay mechanics that would be difficult to bot . Show me a bot in incursions... I've seen a few ISBOXERs do it but they lose 90% of the competitions when we decide to bother with them ( TBH if we found out a bot could do NMC's we'd probably let them so more NCO's & OTA's spawned ) I would be surprised if they don't exist, but I'm not sure the isk:effort ratio is there or, more importantly, the dollar:effort ratio. At a glance it might seem like it would be vastly more lucrative than a mining bot, but mining pretty much scales infinitely. If the suggestion is that they're simply too "difficult" or "complicated" to bot, I assure you that's a preposterous notion.

CCP Fozzie C C P C C P Alliance 5622	Posted - 2013.04.30 18:15:00 - [64] - Quote Haulie Berry wrote: CCP Fozzie wrote: None ofthe Above wrote: The change in the mechanic makes a bit of sense to me, but this part about only spawning enough in high sec to meet 80% of high sec's demand has left me scratching my shiny head. You're reading it wrong. Highsec will only spawn enough ice to meet 80% of the whole universe's demand. It will spawn roughly 800% of what it needs to meet Highsec's demand. Just for funsies, currently what percentage of the universe's ice consumption is sourced from high sec? Currently 98.4% of all isotope ice is mined in highsec. While highsec uses less than 15% of the isotopes in EVE. Game Designer \| Team Five-0 https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie

DarthNefarius Minmatar Heavy Industries 968	Posted - 2013.04.30 18:16:00 - [65] - Quote Haulie Berry wrote: DarthNefarius wrote: Haulie Berry wrote: Quote: ...and that bots are going to be fuckered up by this change... It would be EXTREMELY difficult, if not impossible, to devise gameplay mechanics that would be difficult to bot . Show me a bot in incursions... I've seen a few ISBOXERs do it but they lose 90% of the competitions when we decide to bother with them ( TBH if we found out a bot could do NMC's we'd probably let them so more NCO's & OTA's spawned ) I would be surprised if they don't exist, but I'm not sure the isk:effort ratio is there or, more importantly, the dollar:effort ratio. At a glance it might seem like it would be vastly more lucrative than a mining bot, but mining pretty much scales infinitely. If the suggestion is that they're simply too "difficult" or "complicated" to bot, I assure you that's a preposterous notion. The trouble with an incursion bot would be it couldn't compete for a site & would lose 9/10+ times Also the complexity of incursion sites due to changing aggro are a bit beyond the scope of current bots: Have you ever heard of a sleeper site bot yet? I'm guessing no for much the same reasons plus in WH space there is no Concord protections An' then [email protected], he come scramblin outta theTerminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system'scrashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Danni stark 27	Posted - 2013.04.30 18:17:00 - [66] - Quote CCP Fozzie wrote: Haulie Berry wrote: CCP Fozzie wrote: None ofthe Above wrote: The change in the mechanic makes a bit of sense to me, but this part about only spawning enough in high sec to meet 80% of high sec's demand has left me scratching my shiny head. You're reading it wrong. Highsec will only spawn enough ice to meet 80% of the whole universe's demand. It will spawn roughly 800% of what it needs to meet Highsec's demand. Just for funsies, currently what percentage of the universe's ice consumption is sourced from high sec? Currently 98.4% of all isotope ice is mined in highsec. While highsec uses less than 15% of the isotopes in EVE. ******* called it. Yay, this account hasn't had it's signature banned. or it's account, if you're reading this.
DarthNefarius Minmatar Heavy Industries 968	Posted - 2013.04.30 18:17:00 - [67] - Quote CCP Fozzie wrote: Currently 98.4% of all isotope ice is mined in highsec. While highsec uses less than 15% of the isotopes in EVE. WOW thanks some real stats can I nick name you CCP Diagoras junior NULL SEC is really going to have to scramble to get POS fuel in the near future unless they stockpiled ALOT of POS fuel over the years until the release of Odyssy CCP Soundwave's vision of ICE becomming New Eden's oil could very well come true in the next 6 months! An' then [email protected], he come scramblin outta theTerminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system'scrashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
None ofthe Above 545	Posted - 2013.04.30 18:21:00 - [68] - Quote DarthNefarius wrote: CCP Fozzie wrote: Currently 98.4% of all isotope ice is mined in highsec. While highsec uses less than 15% of the isotopes in EVE. WOW thanks some real stats can I nick name you CCP Diagoras junior Oh that would be bad. How about just calling him Fozzie? I hope you voted, you glorious but often apathetic bastards! STV working as intended; Pre-elections and Get out the Vote, room for improvement.
baltec1 Bat Country 6161	Posted - 2013.04.30 18:26:00 - [69] - Quote CCP Fozzie wrote: Haulie Berry wrote: CCP Fozzie wrote: None ofthe Above wrote: The change in the mechanic makes a bit of sense to me, but this part about only spawning enough in high sec to meet 80% of high sec's demand has left me scratching my shiny head. You're reading it wrong. Highsec will only spawn enough ice to meet 80% of the whole universe's demand. It will spawn roughly 800% of what it needs to meet Highsec's demand. Just for funsies, currently what percentage of the universe's ice consumption is sourced from high sec? Currently 98.4% of all isotope ice is mined in highsec. While highsec uses less than 15% of the isotopes in EVE. Delicious numbers.
DarthNefarius Minmatar Heavy Industries 968	Posted - 2013.04.30 18:27:00 - [70] - Quote None ofthe Above wrote: Oh that would be bad. How about just calling him Fozzie? I keep on hearing "WAKA WAKA WAKA" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8uY79zQeak whenever I read his name His name is like a running gagin meh head: An' then [email protected], he come scramblin outta theTerminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system'scrashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Calathorn Virpio Golden Construction Inc. Legacy Rising 247	Posted - 2013.04.30 18:28:00 - [71] - Quote CCP Fozzie wrote: Haulie Berry wrote: CCP Fozzie wrote: None ofthe Above wrote: The change in the mechanic makes a bit of sense to me, but this part about only spawning enough in high sec to meet 80% of high sec's demand has left me scratching my shiny head. You're reading it wrong. Highsec will only spawn enough ice to meet 80% of the whole universe's demand. It will spawn roughly 800% of what it needs to meet Highsec's demand. Just for funsies, currently what percentage of the universe's ice consumption is sourced from high sec? Currently 98.4% of all isotope ice is mined in highsec. While highsec uses less than 15% of the isotopes in EVE. so only an 18.4% reduction? i do believe speculation is the reason for the price hike then BRING BACK THE JUKEBOX more shenanigans plz SEXY
Danni stark 29	Posted - 2013.04.30 18:30:00 - [72] - Quote Calathorn Virpio wrote: CCP Fozzie wrote: Haulie Berry wrote: CCP Fozzie wrote: None ofthe Above wrote: The change in the mechanic makes a bit of sense to me, but this part about only spawning enough in high sec to meet 80% of high sec's demand has left me scratching my shiny head. You're reading it wrong. Highsec will only spawn enough ice to meet 80% of the whole universe's demand. It will spawn roughly 800% of what it needs to meet Highsec's demand. Just for funsies, currently what percentage of the universe's ice consumption is sourced from high sec? Currently 98.4% of all isotope ice is mined in highsec. While highsec uses less than 15% of the isotopes in EVE. so only an 18.4% reduction? i do believe speculation is the reason for the price hike then you do realise the 80% is the assumption that EVERY high sec ice belt is mined out EVERY time it spawns, and done so in under an hour Yay, this account hasn't had it's signature banned. or it's account, if you're reading this.
J3ssica Alba Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 709	Posted - 2013.04.30 18:30:00 - [73] - Quote Let's interdict ALL the ice. We'll have null sec on their knees begging us for an isotope or two ... muahahahaa This is my signature. There are many others like it, but this one is mine.-á Without me, my signature is useless. Without my signature, I am useless
Captain Tardbar NEWB ALERT 351	Posted - 2013.04.30 18:31:00 - [74] - Quote Calathorn Virpio wrote: so only an 18.4% reduction? i do believe speculation is the reason for the price hike then Well it sure isn't related to the quanity supplied. Since the price hikes, my ice belt has gone from 5 miners on average to about 20-30. Some of these guys with isboxer balls of hulks and charons. Ice mining has become serious business. Oh my wallet... It flashes! "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down.
baltec1 Bat Country 6161	Posted - 2013.04.30 18:33:00 - [75] - Quote None ofthe Above wrote: DarthNefarius wrote: CCP Fozzie wrote: Currently 98.4% of all isotope ice is mined in highsec. While highsec uses less than 15% of the isotopes in EVE. WOW thanks some real stats can I nick name you CCP Diagoras junior Oh that would be bad. How about just calling him Fozzie? Or just the Foz... eayyyyyyyy.
DarthNefarius Minmatar Heavy Industries 968	Posted - 2013.04.30 18:34:00 - [76] - Quote J3ssica Alba wrote: Let's interdict ALL the ice. We'll have null sec on their knees begging us for an isotope or two ... muahahahaa That would force NULL SEC to suffer the indignity of actually having to ice mine there Imagine the delicious tears An' then [email protected], he come scramblin outta theTerminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system'scrashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Danni stark 29	Posted - 2013.04.30 18:35:00 - [77] - Quote DarthNefarius wrote: J3ssica Alba wrote: Let's interdict ALL the ice. We'll have null sec on their knees begging us for an isotope or two ... muahahahaa That would force NULL SEC to suffer the indignity of actually having to ice mine there Imagine the delicious tears yes imagine the ice when they're doing a 40m isk/hour activity after odyssey. considering you can get a max yield ice retriever in like 3 weeks, guess what the new fleet doctrine for newbros are? Yay, this account hasn't had it's signature banned. or it's account, if you're reading this.
RubyPorto SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT 3286	Posted - 2013.04.30 18:41:00 - [78] - Quote Calathorn Virpio wrote: so only an 18.4% reduction? i do believe speculation is the reason for the price hike then Outside HS, the income from ice is competing directly with Ore mining, as the activity needed to stay safe far outstrips the extra occasional click to target a new enormous Ore roid. It's like the effect that T2 BPOs have on T2 markets. In markets where they produce virtually all the supply needed to fulfill demand, the item consistently trades at a profit for BPO owners and a loss for inventors. In markets where they only produce most of the supply* the item consistently trades at a normal profit for inventors and a large profit for BPO owners. In other words, when demand outstrips a cheaper source's capacity, the price is quickly dominated by the most expensive source needed to fill that excess demand. *Example from one of CCP Diagoras's tweets: About 80% of Expanded Cargohold IIs are produced from BPOs. Expanded Cargohold IIs are profitable to invent about as often as any other similar item. This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody. "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon
Xython Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation 1103	Posted - 2013.04.30 18:43:00 - [79] - Quote DarthNefarius wrote: J3ssica Alba wrote: Let's interdict ALL the ice. We'll have null sec on their knees begging us for an isotope or two ... muahahahaa That would force NULL SEC to suffer the indignity of actually having to ice mine there Imagine the delicious tears Considering it's been a stated goal of basically every NullSec alliance to try and get CCP to actually fix NullSec mining and industrialism for oh, 5 years? Yeah, lots of tears there. About a year ago CCP Soundwave openly was talking about making Ice Nullsec only. I'm kinda disappointed that this seems to have been compromised down to "Ice will be a bit scarce if people don't mine a little bit in Null." But then again, we haven't seen how this change will affect things. Hey, who knows, maybe Concord won't show up to Ice Anoms in highsec, or will be a bit delayed. Find a bot -- deal with it yourself.
Shepard Wong Ogeko GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 456	Posted - 2013.04.30 18:53:00 - [80] - Quote Haulie Berry wrote: ...there will be ice mining bots still... Here is the problem with ice mining bots post Odyssey; The bots won't be able to make consistent isk/hr non-stop. That is why you would run a bot, because a bot can play eve constantly, and one expects the bot to make isk constantly. What is the point of running a bot that is going to sit in a station and make no isk for hours at a time, only undocking to verify the ice anom hasn't respawned yet. And this bot will have to compete with other players because the ice anoms aren't going to be effectively limitless like current ice belts. So you can't just calculate that your bot will mine exactly X ice/hr, because even if human players aren't spamming the scan button to jump into an ice anom as soon as it spawns, players will eventually show up and take some ice for them selves.
Some Rando University of Caille Gallente Federation 958	Posted - 2013.04.30 18:57:00 - [81] - Quote Xython wrote: About a year ago CCP Soundwave openly was talking about making Ice Nullsec only. I'm kinda disappointed that this seems to have been compromised down to "Ice will be a bit scarce if people don't mine a little bit in Null." But then again, we haven't seen how this change will affect things. The cycle time reduction will probably make ice mining slightly more appealing in "doughnut" null-sec; whether the ice is the correct type will determine whether it's worthwhile. If the "crunch" is enough do you think you'd end up with standards based around the local ice? Xython wrote: Hey, who knows, maybe Concord won't show up to Ice Anoms in highsec, or will be a bit delayed. Wouldn't that be nice. CCP has no sense of humour.
Captain Tardbar NEWB ALERT 351	Posted - 2013.04.30 19:09:00 - [82] - Quote Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote: Haulie Berry wrote: ...there will be ice mining bots still... Here is the problem with ice mining bots post Odyssey; The bots won't be able to make consistent isk/hr non-stop. That is why you would run a bot, because a bot can play eve constantly, and one expects the bot to make isk constantly. What is the point of running a bot that is going to sit in a station and make no isk for hours at a time, only undocking to verify the ice anom hasn't respawned yet. And this bot will have to compete with other players because the ice anoms aren't going to be effectively limitless like current ice belts. So you can't just calculate that your bot will mine exactly X ice/hr, because even if human players aren't spamming the scan button to jump into an ice anom as soon as it spawns, players will eventually show up and take some ice for them selves. I don't know if that is how its going to be. I mean think about it. Would you sit around waiting several hours for a resource to spawn? If I was even by myself in null sec for no one else to compete with, am I going to sit around several hours waiting for the belt to repopulate? No that is just dumb and a waste of time. If that is going to be the way it is, then people will log in first thing, check for an ice belt, and if they don't see one, then they are just going to quit icemining. I mean you could do regular mining in the mean time, but often the best places to mine are in the same system as the ice. Would you seriously think that people are going to warp back to check every 20 minutes to see if the ice belt spawned? No, it would be easier to hunt regular roids. "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down.
Shepard Wong Ogeko GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 456	Posted - 2013.04.30 19:19:00 - [83] - Quote Captain Tardbar wrote: I don't know if that is how its going to be. I mean think about it. Would you sit around waiting several hours for a resource to spawn? I would go do something else. But I'm not a bot. If actual players in highsec are doing nothing while waiting for ice anoms, then they are as dumb as a bot. They can go mine ore, or do missions, or do some hauling, or play the markets, or do some planetary interaction. It is their choice to paint themselves into the a corner of "I mine ice and only ice".
Sentamon 871	Posted - 2013.04.30 19:22:00 - [84] - Quote Prices will double again, perhaps tripple when the patch hits. Fun times. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~
Captain Tardbar NEWB ALERT 351	Posted - 2013.04.30 19:25:00 - [85] - Quote Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote: Captain Tardbar wrote: I don't know if that is how its going to be. I mean think about it. Would you sit around waiting several hours for a resource to spawn? I would go do something else. But I'm not a bot. If actual players in highsec are doing nothing while waiting for ice anoms, then they are as dumb as a bot. They can go mine ore, or do missions, or do some hauling, or play the markets, or do some planetary interaction. It is their choice to paint themselves into the a corner of "I mine ice and only ice". Well my point is... If you are doing something more profitable anyways, why bother checking every 20 minutes to see if that less profitable resource is available? I mean the reason people don't ore mine instead of ice mine is because ice mining is easy and consistant even though regular mining was about 2-3 times more profitable (still is even after the price buff). So if you find yourself with no ice belt to mine and you are regular mining anyways, I doubt you are going to stop every 20 minutes to check to see if you can go back to ice mining. Therefore people will just quit the profession all together. "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down.
DarthNefarius Minmatar Heavy Industries 968	Posted - 2013.04.30 19:25:00 - [86] - Quote Xython wrote: Hey, who knows, maybe Concord won't show up to Ice Anoms in highsec, or will be a bit delayed. Find a bot -- deal with it yourself. Correct me if I'm wrong but all ice belts are in 0.5 space, so Concord already is a bit delayed. An' then [email protected], he come scramblin outta theTerminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system'scrashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Krell Kroenen Miners In Possession 152	Posted - 2013.04.30 19:26:00 - [87] - Quote Danni stark wrote: De'Veldrin wrote: Implying Implications wrote: Buy a Retriever and get ~~mining~~ ganked. FYP. i'm convinced miner gankers are like the boogie man. i've never seen one. it's a story to scare small children. Well it's been a while with my main but I guess you could say I have role played being the boogie man a few times. But only against botters I swear..
Captain Tardbar NEWB ALERT 351	Posted - 2013.04.30 19:29:00 - [88] - Quote DarthNefarius wrote: Xython wrote: Hey, who knows, maybe Concord won't show up to Ice Anoms in highsec, or will be a bit delayed. Find a bot -- deal with it yourself. Correct me if I'm wrong but all ice belts are in 0.5 and lower space, so Concord already is a bit delayed. No. Currently there are some ice belts in 0.7 systems. "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down.
Omnathious Deninard The Scope Gallente Federation 938	Posted - 2013.04.30 19:33:00 - [89] - Quote Calathorn Virpio wrote: CCP Fozzie wrote: Haulie Berry wrote: CCP Fozzie wrote: None ofthe Above wrote: The change in the mechanic makes a bit of sense to me, but this part about only spawning enough in high sec to meet 80% of high sec's demand has left me scratching my shiny head. You're reading it wrong. Highsec will only spawn enough ice to meet 80% of the whole universe's demand. It will spawn roughly 800% of what it needs to meet Highsec's demand. Just for funsies, currently what percentage of the universe's ice consumption is sourced from high sec? Currently 98.4% of all isotope ice is mined in highsec. While highsec uses less than 15% of the isotopes in EVE. so only an 18.4% reduction? i do believe speculation is the reason for the price hike then That is assuming the sites are cleared, if say a person were to mine out all but 1 or 2 units of ice then move on to the next ice anomaly it would prevent a new ice anomaly from being generated creating a shortage in ice over a period of time. Ideas For Drone Improvement Repourpose Deep Space Scanner Probes
Captain Tardbar NEWB ALERT 351	Posted - 2013.04.30 19:42:00 - [90] - Quote What do you know? Someone put up a buy order at 266K at Jita and anything selling for less than 277K has been bought out. I'm no finacial Nostradamus, but I think its almost safe to say by tomorrow ice prices will have tripled. "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down.

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