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Poetic Stanziel
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
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Posted - 2013.04.30 23:13:00 -
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Told they would be released Monday. It is now very late Tuesday. Will we see them Wednesday? Amarr Militia - Fweddit - http://fweddit.com Poetic Discourse - http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.com |

Frying Doom
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Posted - 2013.04.30 23:18:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:Told they would be released Monday. It is now very late Tuesday. Will we see them Wednesday? I wouldn't hold my breath
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2956184#post2956184
They seem to be waiting till they can put there own spin on it first. Any spelling and grammatical errors are because frankly, I don't care!! |

GallowsCalibrator
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
276
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Posted - 2013.05.01 09:40:00 -
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Tinfoil thread of the week. |

Frying Doom
2447
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Posted - 2013.05.01 09:53:00 -
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GallowsCalibrator wrote:Tinfoil thread of the week. If you don't think they are going to try to spin the 12.12% turn out, you are a fool. Any spelling and grammatical errors are because frankly, I don't care!! |

Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1276
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Posted - 2013.05.01 09:58:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:If you don't think they are going to try to spin the 12.12% turn out, you are a fool.
Yeah, the company that had no problems at all picking the council themselves for Dust is going to forge votes to "spin" a lower-than-last-year vote turnout because you know what **** it I can't even finish that sentence you're literally ********. "Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread[" |

GallowsCalibrator
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
281
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Posted - 2013.05.01 10:10:00 -
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Snow Axe wrote:Frying Doom wrote:If you don't think they are going to try to spin the 12.12% turn out, you are a fool. Yeah, the company that had no problems at all picking the council themselves for Dust is going to forge votes to "spin" a lower-than-last-year vote turnout because you know what **** it I can't even finish that sentence you're literally ********.
It's like watching baby's first badpost.
Only they're all bad posts. Forever. |

Frying Doom
2447
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Posted - 2013.05.01 10:13:00 -
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GallowsCalibrator wrote:Snow Axe wrote:Frying Doom wrote:If you don't think they are going to try to spin the 12.12% turn out, you are a fool. Yeah, the company that had no problems at all picking the council themselves for Dust is going to forge votes to "spin" a lower-than-last-year vote turnout because you know what **** it I can't even finish that sentence you're literally ********. It's like watching baby's first badpost. Only they're all bad posts. Forever. Oh the horror, I am being taunted by a Goon bad poster. Any spelling and grammatical errors are because frankly, I don't care!! |

GallowsCalibrator
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
281
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Posted - 2013.05.01 10:38:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:GallowsCalibrator wrote:Snow Axe wrote:Frying Doom wrote:If you don't think they are going to try to spin the 12.12% turn out, you are a fool. Yeah, the company that had no problems at all picking the council themselves for Dust is going to forge votes to "spin" a lower-than-last-year vote turnout because you know what **** it I can't even finish that sentence you're literally ********. It's like watching baby's first badpost. Only they're all bad posts. Forever. Oh the horror, I am being taunted by a Goon bad poster. 
I'm not the one that thinks there's some kind of CCP :tinfoil: conspiracy about the CSM vote turnout. |

Frying Doom
2447
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Posted - 2013.05.01 10:50:00 -
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GallowsCalibrator wrote:Frying Doom wrote:GallowsCalibrator wrote:Snow Axe wrote:Frying Doom wrote:If you don't think they are going to try to spin the 12.12% turn out, you are a fool. Yeah, the company that had no problems at all picking the council themselves for Dust is going to forge votes to "spin" a lower-than-last-year vote turnout because you know what **** it I can't even finish that sentence you're literally ********. It's like watching baby's first badpost. Only they're all bad posts. Forever. Oh the horror, I am being taunted by a Goon bad poster.  I'm not the one that thinks there's some kind of CCP :tinfoil: conspiracy about the CSM vote turnout. Another crack head. You guys are coming out of the wood work.
So you think spin is a conspiracy theory.
Must suck to be you, thinking your government is coming to get you all the time. Any spelling and grammatical errors are because frankly, I don't care!! |

GallowsCalibrator
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
283
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Posted - 2013.05.01 10:59:00 -
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The fact you think that the delay is due to some mysterious 'spin' is the tinfoil, but hey.
Turnout is still pretty close to usual afaik. |

Frying Doom
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Posted - 2013.05.01 11:02:00 -
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GallowsCalibrator wrote:The fact you think that the delay is due to some mysterious 'spin' is the tinfoil, but hey. Turnout is still pretty close to usual afaik. We dropped down to 12.12%, the percentage of people who voted dropped 4 and a half percent, the first time it has dropped since the CSM became year long terms.
Why did they only mention the number of votes cast and not the percentage of eligible voters, like they have every other year in their dev blog.
The answer is spin control. Any spelling and grammatical errors are because frankly, I don't care!! |

GallowsCalibrator
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
283
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Posted - 2013.05.01 11:10:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:GallowsCalibrator wrote:The fact you think that the delay is due to some mysterious 'spin' is the tinfoil, but hey. Turnout is still pretty close to usual afaik. We dropped down to 12.12%, the percentage of people who voted dropped 4 and a half percent, the first time it has dropped since the CSM became year long terms. Why did they only mention the number of votes cast and not the percentage of eligible voters, like they have every other year in their dev blog. The answer is spin control.
Ahahahaha you're so precious. |

Frying Doom
2447
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Posted - 2013.05.01 11:29:00 -
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GallowsCalibrator wrote:Ahahahaha you're so precious. Well at least now I can say I have conversed with someone who would actually believe politicians who say, they will lower taxes, while increasing spending while not incurring a deficit.
People told me your kind exist, but I never believed them until now. Any spelling and grammatical errors are because frankly, I don't care!! |

Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1277
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Posted - 2013.05.01 11:32:00 -
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CCP aren't politicians, not in any sense of the word. They're completely above and beyond the political process, namely because they could abolish it tomorrow if they so desired. "Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread[" |

GallowsCalibrator
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
283
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Posted - 2013.05.01 11:37:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:GallowsCalibrator wrote:Ahahahaha you're so precious. Well at least now I can say I have conversed with someone who would actually believe politicians who say, they will lower taxes, while increasing spending while not incurring a deficit. People told me your kind exist, but I never believed them until now. 
That is the greatest strawman I have ever seen. |

Frying Doom
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Posted - 2013.05.01 11:38:00 -
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Snow Axe wrote:CCP aren't politicians, not in any sense of the word. They're completely above and beyond the political process, namely because they could abolish it tomorrow if they so desired. Were did that comment even come from?
No CCP are not politicians, they are a business, they are there to make money. Yes the CSM is a PR exercise both for the players benefit and externally. The PR value would be increase the more people that are involved in the process.
Subsequently why I would like the chairman chosen for the PR value for the CSM, rather than just someones ego. Any spelling and grammatical errors are because frankly, I don't care!! |

Frying Doom
2447
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Posted - 2013.05.01 11:39:00 -
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GallowsCalibrator wrote:Frying Doom wrote:GallowsCalibrator wrote:Ahahahaha you're so precious. Well at least now I can say I have conversed with someone who would actually believe politicians who say, they will lower taxes, while increasing spending while not incurring a deficit. People told me your kind exist, but I never believed them until now.  That is the greatest strawman I have ever seen. No I was insulting your intelligence, but apparently you were not smart enough to notice. Any spelling and grammatical errors are because frankly, I don't care!! |

TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
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Posted - 2013.05.01 13:00:00 -
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The low turn out is thanks to a more complicated voting system that doesn't even accomplish anything they claim it does anyway.
hope this helps |

Frying Doom
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Posted - 2013.05.01 13:09:00 -
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TheGunslinger42 wrote:The low turn out is thanks to a more complicated voting system that doesn't even accomplish anything they claim it does anyway.
hope this helps Always nice to hear from people.
More people need to comment about why they did not vote, or what they did not like about the elections or the previous CSM.
Only through comments can problems be fixed. Any spelling and grammatical errors are because frankly, I don't care!! |

Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
1353
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Posted - 2013.05.01 13:56:00 -
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I'd heard it was related to Veritas being out of the country. (Can't remember who I heard that from though) Steve Ronuken for CSM 9!-á I'm starting early :) Handy tools and an SDE conversion Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter |

Temba Ronin
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Posted - 2013.05.01 14:06:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:TheGunslinger42 wrote:The low turn out is thanks to a more complicated voting system that doesn't even accomplish anything they claim it does anyway.
hope this helps Always nice to hear from people. More people need to comment about why they did not vote, or what they did not like about the elections or the previous CSM. Only through comments can problems be fixed. It is a game dude! Why do you think it is a problem if players choose to not vote? I know you are fond of dropping the numbers that do not support your position, suppose none of your straw man questions about why people did not vote are valid?
Do you think it possible that with a number of non-english speaking players from around the world, a number of players who don't give a rats behind about any political anything, and a number of players who just want to play EVE that expecting voter participation to climb year after year might have been unrealistic?
If it's not broke don't fix it, and just because it didn't come out the way you wanted don't try to fix it. The problem seems to be your lack of acceptance of the fact that the majority of the players who made the choice to vote did not vote in the manner you wanted them to. That's not CSM7's problem, perhaps not so much CCP's problem, that's your problem .... deal with it.
Power To The Players! |

Frying Doom
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Posted - 2013.05.01 14:17:00 -
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Temba Ronin wrote:Frying Doom wrote:TheGunslinger42 wrote:The low turn out is thanks to a more complicated voting system that doesn't even accomplish anything they claim it does anyway.
hope this helps Always nice to hear from people. More people need to comment about why they did not vote, or what they did not like about the elections or the previous CSM. Only through comments can problems be fixed. It is a game dude! Why do you think it is a problem if players choose to not vote? I know you are fond of dropping the numbers that do not support your position, suppose none of your straw man questions about why people did not vote are valid? Do you think it possible that with a number of non-english speaking players from around the world, a number of players who don't give a rats behind about any political anything, and a number of players who just want to play EVE that expecting voter participation to climb year after year might have been unrealistic? If it's not broke don't fix it, and just because it didn't come out the way you wanted don't try to fix it. The problem seems to be your lack of acceptance of the fact that the majority of the players who made the choice to vote did not vote in the manner you wanted them to. That's not CSM7's problem, perhaps not so much CCP's problem, that's your problem .... deal with it. Power To The Players! That is a lot of words, to say you don't want to hear peoples opinions. I have never really cared how players vote, as long as they vote. If you read the voting forums you could see that. So please don't project your own inadequacies onto me.
Yes some people just plain don't vote. Yes there are non-english speaking players and more needs to be done to reach them.
The CSM is the voice of the players and I personally would like to see as many of those voices heard as possible. The more people that vote the more representative the council is of EvE, the more weight that voice has and on top of all that the better a PR tool it is for CCP.
As to it not being broken, now you are just dribbling, the voting takes a major down turn after years of steady growth, but you just say "If it's not broke don't fix it" Any spelling and grammatical errors are because frankly, I don't care!! |

Temba Ronin
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Posted - 2013.05.01 14:35:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Temba Ronin wrote:Frying Doom wrote:TheGunslinger42 wrote:The low turn out is thanks to a more complicated voting system that doesn't even accomplish anything they claim it does anyway.
hope this helps Always nice to hear from people. More people need to comment about why they did not vote, or what they did not like about the elections or the previous CSM. Only through comments can problems be fixed. It is a game dude! Why do you think it is a problem if players choose to not vote? I know you are fond of dropping the numbers that do not support your position, suppose none of your straw man questions about why people did not vote are valid? Do you think it possible that with a number of non-english speaking players from around the world, a number of players who don't give a rats behind about any political anything, and a number of players who just want to play EVE that expecting voter participation to climb year after year might have been unrealistic? If it's not broke don't fix it, and just because it didn't come out the way you wanted don't try to fix it. The problem seems to be your lack of acceptance of the fact that the majority of the players who made the choice to vote did not vote in the manner you wanted them to. That's not CSM7's problem, perhaps not so much CCP's problem, that's your problem .... deal with it. Power To The Players! That is a lot of words, to say you don't want to hear peoples opinions. I have never really cared how players vote, as long as they vote. If you read the voting forums you could see that. So please don't project your own inadequacies onto me. Yes some people just plain don't vote. Yes there are non-english speaking players and more needs to be done to reach them. The CSM is the voice of the players and I personally would like to see as many of those voices heard as possible. The more people that vote the more representative the council is of EvE, the more weight that voice has and on top of all that the better a PR tool it is for CCP. As to it not being broken, now you are just dribbling, the voting takes a major down turn after years of steady growth, but you just say "If it's not broke don't fix it" Are you incapable of grasping a new concept? You don't care who they vote for as long as they vote? Who made you king? Get over yourself, nothing ever goes up without coming down except self righteous windbags who need to "fix" other players so they vote.
Power To The Players! |

GallowsCalibrator
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
285
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Posted - 2013.05.01 14:39:00 -
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Temba Ronin wrote: -- snip -- self righteous windbags
/thread |

June Ting
Valkyries of Night Of Sound Mind
33
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Posted - 2013.05.01 15:34:00 -
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It'll be interesting to see how many partial ballots and how many donkey vote/kitchen sink votes there are vs. organized slate votes. Proud independent player and member of Provibloc. |

Alekseyev Karrde
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
1187
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Posted - 2013.05.01 17:28:00 -
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According to Poetic Stanziel (the Glen Beck to your Orly Taitz) math the % is down because there's over 50k new accounts on TQ. Yes, I'm sure CCP is absolutely scrambling to find a way to spin that positively...
I don't know why the dev blog is delayed but I doubt the reason is remotely sinister, mostly because there's no reason to be and it would take considerable work to do for no imaginable gain. "Alekseyev Karrde: mercenary of my heart."-á -Arydanika, Voices from the Void
Hero of the CSM Noir./Noir. Academy Recruiting: www.noirmercs.com |

Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
773
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Posted - 2013.05.01 17:36:00 -
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The only thing lower than the voter turnout is the percentage of players who care about voter turnout.
BADOOMCHISH |

GetSirrus
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
30
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Posted - 2013.05.01 22:33:00 -
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well, the OP could stage a protest over this. park your pod next to the jita monument then hold your breath or cease posting - either will work for the rest of us. |

GallowsCalibrator
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
298
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Posted - 2013.05.01 22:56:00 -
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Him ceasing posting would be pretty nice |

Frying Doom
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Posted - 2013.05.02 00:05:00 -
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Temba Ronin wrote:Are you incapable of grasping a new concept? You don't care who they vote for as long as they vote? Who made you king? Get over yourself, nothing ever goes up without coming down except self righteous windbags who need to "fix" other players so they vote.
Power To The Players! No one made me king, but unlike you I would like to see the CSM, the voice of the players, actually be representative of the Majority of players and how do we know what they want? We get them involved in the voting process and in the forums. How? By making the CSM more appealing to them and educating them as to why they should vote.
Yes the current situation does better for the organised blocs, so they have a vested interest in keeping it that way but even they did not want the STV system originally, now that Null has 10 members on the CSM via it, they seem ok with it.
So you seem more like the self righteous windbag, happy keeping things as they are now. Any spelling and grammatical errors are because frankly, I don't care!! |
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