Told they would be released Monday. It is now very late Tuesday. Will we see them Wednesday?

Tinfoil thread of the week.

If you don't think they are going to try to spin the 12.12% turn out, you are a fool.

Yeah, the company that had no problems at all picking the council themselves for Dust is going to forge votes to "spin" a lower-than-last-year vote turnout because you know what **** it I can't even finish that sentence you're literally ********.

It's like watching baby's first badpost.

Only they're all bad posts. Forever.

Oh the horror, I am being taunted by a Goon bad poster.

I'm not the one that thinks there's some kind of CCP :tinfoil: conspiracy about the CSM vote turnout.

The fact you think that the delay is due to some mysterious 'spin' is the tinfoil, but hey.

Turnout is still pretty close to usual afaik.

We dropped down to 12.12%, the percentage of people who voted dropped 4 and a half percent, the first time it has dropped since the CSM became year long terms.

Why did they only mention the number of votes cast and not the percentage of eligible voters, like they have every other year in their dev blog.

The answer is spin control.

Ahahahaha you're so precious.

Well at least now I can say I have conversed with someone who would actually believe politicians who say, they will lower taxes, while increasing spending while not incurring a deficit.

People told me your kind exist, but I never believed them until now.

CCP aren't politicians, not in any sense of the word. They're completely above and beyond the political process, namely because they could abolish it tomorrow if they so desired.

That is the greatest strawman I have ever seen.

The low turn out is thanks to a more complicated voting system that doesn't even accomplish anything they claim it does anyway.

hope this helps

Always nice to hear from people.

More people need to comment about why they did not vote, or what they did not like about the elections or the previous CSM.

Only through comments can problems be fixed.

It is a game dude! Why do you think it is a problem if players choose to not vote? I know you are fond of dropping the numbers that do not support your position, suppose none of your straw man questions about why people did not vote are valid?

Do you think it possible that with a number of non-english speaking players from around the world, a number of players who don't give a rats behind about any political anything, and a number of players who just want to play EVE that expecting voter participation to climb year after year might have been unrealistic?

If it's not broke don't fix it, and just because it didn't come out the way you wanted don't try to fix it. The problem seems to be your lack of acceptance of the fact that the majority of the players who made the choice to vote did not vote in the manner you wanted them to. That's not CSM7's problem, perhaps not so much CCP's problem, that's your problem .... deal with it.



Power To The Players!

That is a lot of words, to say you don't want to hear peoples opinions.
I have never really cared how players vote, as long as they vote. If you read the voting forums you could see that. So please don't project your own inadequacies onto me.

Yes some people just plain don't vote. Yes there are non-english speaking players and more needs to be done to reach them.

The CSM is the voice of the players and I personally would like to see as many of those voices heard as possible. The more people that vote the more representative the council is of EvE, the more weight that voice has and on top of all that the better a PR tool it is for CCP.

As to it not being broken, now you are just dribbling, the voting takes a major down turn after years of steady growth, but you just say "If it's not broke don't fix it"

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self righteous windbags

Are you incapable of grasping a new concept? You don't care who they vote for as long as they vote? Who made you king? Get over yourself, nothing ever goes up without coming down except self righteous windbags who need to "fix" other players so they vote.

Power To The Players!

According to Poetic Stanziel (the Glen Beck to your Orly Taitz) math the % is down because there's over 50k new accounts on TQ. Yes, I'm sure CCP is absolutely scrambling to find a way to spin that positively...

I don't know why the dev blog is delayed but I doubt the reason is remotely sinister, mostly because there's no reason to be and it would take considerable work to do for no imaginable gain.

No one made me king, but unlike you I would like to see the CSM, the voice of the players, actually be representative of the Majority of players and how do we know what they want? We get them involved in the voting process and in the forums. How? By making the CSM more appealing to them and educating them as to why they should vote.

Yes the current situation does better for the organised blocs, so they have a vested interest in keeping it that way but even they did not want the STV system originally, now that Null has 10 members on the CSM via it, they seem ok with it.

So you seem more like the self righteous windbag, happy keeping things as they are now.

Who is this royal "we" you are referring to?

I am not so unhappy as to be fighting for the sake of my own ego, unlike some. It is amazing that some people need a chairman to be from Null to validate their existence.

Unlike you who needs a chairman not from Null to validate their existence.

I do so love the personal attacks from people who would prefer CSM members put their own egos before the good of the council.

I do so love the personal attacks from people who would prefer CSM members put their own brains before my own ego.

I fixed that for you. You're welcome

you can't really complain about people using personal attacks when that's basically your stock in trade

what's good for the goose is good for the gander etc etc

This coming from you

Times up.

Until now, extended delay - without additional communication as to why - just looked like incompetence. Now it just looks shady.

Dump it and/or explain delay, please.

That's it, CCP, Joe Buzzard has drawn the line in the sand. You have been warned.

Seriously though, more people will be putting on their tin foil hats soon. This is EVE - half the player base is insane and the other half isn't really all that normal. So please, don't let it get that far - it will be nothing but stupid needless drama.

It won't go that far over this. The only people who would be so stupid as to put on tinfoil hats over CCP being late on a devblog had them fashioned and ready to go long before the election even began.

Well its obvious