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Golden Helmet
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Posted - 2005.10.01 18:19:00 -
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Ok, my current ship goal is to get a Tempest, and as usual with most my ships, gear it for sniping (preferably at 50-60k, thats what i consider sniping anyways). I could really use some help here though. I'm accustomed to Caldari ships, so shield tanking is more my thing than armor tanking (got Repair Systems to level 1, if thats any indication). The tempest also has more shield capacity than armor, so i'm thinking that might be the better way to go. But i'm not entirely sure, i'm a n00b with Minmatar stuff.
So yea, what do you guys recomend? Tank the shields or the armor? The thing's only gonna be used for level 3 missions (and an occasional L4 with freinds.... when i work up the balls for them), so it's not gonna need some massive tank (but it would be cool to tank an L4  ). Any suggestions welcome :)
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Bruchpilot
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Posted - 2005.10.01 18:22:00 -
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Longrange Tempest = shieldtanking
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Chode Rizoum
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Posted - 2005.10.01 18:33:00 -
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 always sheild
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Famine Aligher'ri
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Posted - 2005.10.01 18:45:00 -
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Always medium slots if you can support it. Raven can Armor tank but why would you sacrifice damage mods for armor tank when you have all those med slots.
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Vathar
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Posted - 2005.10.01 18:56:00 -
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In certain cases, some light armor tanking can give good results (ie : you need your meds for EW ...)
Tempest has the potential to do both, so you might as well use this to your advantage.
I usually don't tank my tempest much when I fit a long range setup, but then, I don't consider 60km to be THAT long range ...
If you run lvl.3; you might notive that stuff like 1400mm tends to be a waste, since it will rip apart any cruiser in a salvo, but will not work against frigs.
As for lvl.3, I haven't been able to build a tank able to withstand the full damage of the harder ones (angels of course, others are easy to tank), so I rely on distance to reduce damage (once you've popped all the cruisers/BS, any decent tank can shrug off frig damage long enough to take them down with drones/assault launchers)
Last point, the enemy you'll face can also help you to think about your tanking (you'll lack meds to properly shieldtank against Amarr/Khanid/Blood raiders NPC)
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Golden Helmet
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Posted - 2005.10.01 19:06:00 -
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Thank you all for the replies :)
I know the 1400's arnt very good against frigates. To deal with those, i'm gonna pack about two Assault Launcher's on my ship to deal with frigs and the like, and then two seige launchers (untill i have the skill for cruise) for dealing with structures and such.
I don't really have any use for EW equipment, since i don't PVP outside of duels with my corpmates (and then it's usualy my Harpy thats doing the dueling). I've got electronics and engineering at level 5, so i should have the grid and CPU to support a good shield tank. According to the item database, the Tempest has 5x medium slots, so i can fit 2x active hardeners depending on what i'm up against, a shield booster, a shield boost amplifier (or possibly a cap recharger 2), and a tracking comp (not gonna fit any AB's on. gonna be hell, but i'll ensure). Not sure if the PG\CPU will allow for the 1400's and everything, but guess i'll have to try and find out :)
Looking forward to trying out the Tempest. Gonan be a while before i have the skills to fly it, but at least that gives me time to raise up the ISK for one :)
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Sobeseki Pawi
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Posted - 2005.10.01 19:21:00 -
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EW is the best tank 
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JoeSomebody
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Posted - 2005.10.01 19:23:00 -
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npcing or fleet setup = shield tank
AC setup = armor tank
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Chode Rizoum
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Posted - 2005.10.01 19:32:00 -
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 Originally by: JoeSomebody
npcing or fleet setup = shield tank
AC setup = armor tank
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Centuria > whoot?
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BlueSmok
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Posted - 2005.10.01 20:53:00 -
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Shield tank I use for level 4 combat consists of a large shield booster II, 3 hardners for Angels and a Shield boost amp.
I have 6 1400's in high slots, a siege launcher and a cruise missle launcher.
Lows Consists of 4 PDS 2's Tracking enhancer 2's and local hull overdrive for that positive speed experience. No problem tanking damage from 3 Angel warlords :) and the 1400's lay out the pain!
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Wrayeth
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Posted - 2005.10.01 21:07:00 -
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When loaded up with 1400's and damage mods, the shield tank is your friend. An autocannon setup, on the other hand, needs a number of midslot items such as MWD, warp scramblers, webs, etc., so an armor tank is needed here (unless you choose to go pure gank with damage mods and just one repper to repair between fights).
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Ras Blumin
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Posted - 2005.10.01 21:12:00 -
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Originally by: Chode Rizoum
Originally by: JoeSomebody
npcing or fleet setup = shield tank
AC setup = armor tank
wrong
Armor tanked AC pest is more versatile than a shield tanked. The dmg is nice tho :)
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Golden Helmet
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Posted - 2005.10.01 21:33:00 -
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Originally by: BlueSmok
Shield tank I use for level 4 combat consists of a large shield booster II, 3 hardners for Angels and a Shield boost amp.
I have 6 1400's in high slots, a siege launcher and a cruise missle launcher.
Lows Consists of 4 PDS 2's Tracking enhancer 2's and local hull overdrive for that positive speed experience. No problem tanking damage from 3 Angel warlords :) and the 1400's lay out the pain!
I think i'll try that when i have my Tempest. Thank you, and for everyone else who's replied, thanks as well :)
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SengH
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Posted - 2005.10.01 21:37:00 -
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Originally by: Famine Aligher'ri
Always medium slots if you can support it. Raven can Armor tank but why would you sacrifice damage mods for armor tank when you have all those med slots.
EWar raven... very effective. Think about it for a bit.
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Altrex Stoppel
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Posted - 2005.10.01 22:21:00 -
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Structure 4tw!!
Aw cmon it will be fun 
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MaD CheF
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Posted - 2005.10.01 22:47:00 -
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Temp has too little low slots to armor tank it, it is possible but its inefficent. I mostly use shield tank and as much as damage mods possible. It makes it a nice firepower
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Tyrrax Thorrk
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Posted - 2005.10.02 04:31:00 -
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ahahahaha great sig
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Vathar
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Posted - 2005.10.02 10:49:00 -
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Originally by: MaD CheF
Temp has too little low slots to armor tank it, it is possible but its inefficent. I mostly use shield tank and as much as damage mods possible. It makes it a nice firepower
In fact, I also find that it lacks meds to shieldtank properly, so I usually DON'T rely on heavy tanking ... After all, if your target dies before you, you have all the time you need to repair yourself. Moderate tank+gank fitting works like a charm on a 'pest
And yes, shieldtank is wonderful for short fights, since you can devote all your cap to tanking ...
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Wrayeth
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Posted - 2005.10.02 10:57:00 -
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Edited by: Wrayeth on 02/10/2005 10:58:08
Originally by: MaD CheF
Temp has too little low slots to armor tank it, it is possible but its inefficent. I mostly use shield tank and as much as damage mods possible. It makes it a nice firepower
I agree that damage mods are fun, but don't overlook the tempest as an armor tanker. I was able to fit:
6 800mm autocannons
2 cruise launchers
1 mwd
1 scrambler
1 web
2 cap rechargers
2 large armor reps
1 cap power relay
1 explosive hardner
1 kinetic hardner
1 thermal hardener
I haven't used this setup much because, as the man says, damage mods are fun. Still, it's quite possible to fit a decent armor tank. If you switch one of the large armor reps out for a medium, you should be able to fit a cap booster unit, too.
EDIT: Actually...I don't remember how much grid a heavy cap booster uses, so it may be possible to fit one on and keep both large armor reps.
-Wrayeth
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Sun Ra
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Posted - 2005.10.10 10:23:00 -
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Originally by: Ras Blumin
Edited by: Ras Blumin on 02/10/2005 12:11:33
Originally by: Chode Rizoum
Originally by: JoeSomebody
npcing or fleet setup = shield tank
AC setup = armor tank
wrong
Armor tanked AC pest is more versatile than a shield tanked. The dmg* is nice tho :)
edit - * from a "shield tanked ganka"
Agreed, solo on a armour tank works best, if you have a tackler go with shield tank, the stackign nerf mite make armour tankign more wiser
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Meathook
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Posted - 2005.10.10 11:37:00 -
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Originally by: Golden Helmet
I know the 1400's arnt very good against frigates. To deal with those, i'm gonna pack about two Assault Launcher's on my ship to deal with frigs and the like, and then two seige launchers (untill i have the skill for cruise) for dealing with structures and such.
If you ever do hardcore training for tempest (gunnery etc), it is actually possible to down elite friggies at extreme range in or 2 volleys with the 1400's, sometimes as close as 50k or lower, if you keep running away from them in a straight line. Might want to consider it if you do missions, especially solo, cos there will be times the elite friggies are just too many to sink down fast enough wih drones and light missiles, and the rest of the big rats will close in on you (at least it works that way with angels).
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Blind Man
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Posted - 2005.10.10 11:51:00 -
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5x tracking comp II's and 6x gyro II's 4tw - thats my tank :D
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Testy Mctest
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Posted - 2005.10.10 11:55:00 -
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Edited by: Testy Mctest on 10/10/2005 11:55:33
It's wrong tosay that a pest cant Armour tank because it doesnt have enough slots. 6 slots is plenty to armour tank with. You'll notice around this forum that not everyone uses all of their slow slots for tanking. And Tempest has more mid slots than most tanks that are 'better' for armor tanking, meaning more cap chargers if you really want to, not neccessarily giving a better tank but certainly giving a potentially longer one (greater recharge > greater cap capacity in the long run).
That being said, I dont really see the point in tanking a ship using armour when it doesn't generally need to use its midslots, and when it has more shields, seems to be counterproductive.
Meh. Do what you like. Shields or armour work, and although Shield may be generally better with Arty, Armour will give a better tank for AC users who want to use midslots for tackling etc, it's all just situational anyway, any setup can work depending on what yo uend up fighting :P
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Randuin MaraL
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Posted - 2005.10.10 12:02:00 -
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Edited by: Randuin MaraL on 10/10/2005 12:03:02
Originally by: Chode Rizoum
Originally by: JoeSomebody
npcing or fleet setup = shield tank
AC setup = armor tank
wrong
Aye! [Now the edited part:] Sniping starts beyond sentry range, not around 60km. That is mid-range. For some even close-range.
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