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Jorev
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Posted - 2005.10.04 23:13:00 -
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LS is the only one that can see the consequences.
Don't we have enough NPC-corp chars out there?
How is it 'fair' that someone who *****s most missions pay most of the taxes? If you and you RL friends want fair, just say "50m to be deposited each week."
Anyway, I really dislike taxes, I think 5% is ok, 10% is for emergency 'fund drives.' I wouldn't stay for a second in a corp that charges 15% or more. Unless I were the CEO's/director's buddy and would get my "cut."
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Haggislander
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Posted - 2005.10.05 02:23:00 -
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 Originally by: Jorev
LS is the only one that can see the consequences.
Don't we have enough NPC-corp chars out there?
How is it 'fair' that someone who *****s most missions pay most of the taxes? If you and you RL friends want fair, just say "50m to be deposited each week."
Anyway, I really dislike taxes, I think 5% is ok, 10% is for emergency 'fund drives.' I wouldn't stay for a second in a corp that charges 15% or more. Unless I were the CEO's/director's buddy and would get my "cut."
Why should all corporations be limited by the type of corp. you want to be in?
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Foomanshoe
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Posted - 2005.10.05 05:21:00 -
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i agree it should beable to go to 100%
Some corps are commies and it would help them against hoarders.
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whejl
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Posted - 2005.10.05 06:26:00 -
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Originally by: Shai Faetal
i pay 20% tax in rl, why must we be forced to pay only 10% ingame, this is unbalanced and should be fixed
o/. signed 
In sweden we pay 50-100+% tax, we want it ingame to!!
To the no-guy: are you stupid? just dont change it instead.
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Hans Roaming
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Posted - 2005.10.05 10:36:00 -
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Edited by: Hans Roaming on 05/10/2005 10:37:14
Taxing on selling would fairly tax the industrial members of the corp as well as the NPCers, agent runners and PVPers (bounties). It's income tax and it means that the corp grows and can do things and freeloaders don't just hang on and do nothing money wise for the corp.
And 10% is too low, 100% allows for comunist style gameplay.
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EvilDoomer
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Posted - 2005.10.05 17:06:00 -
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Originally by: Muerte Silenciosa
I'm not sure if I'm the only one who thinks this, but I find the 10% limit on corporate taxation a little bit frustrating. I belong to a small corporation of real-life friends, and we have no problem contributing a large portion of our income to the corporation wallet. We were originally going to set the tax rate to 50%, but quickly found out about the limit...
I can perhaps see that some people would take advantage of this and 'wreck' a corporation by applying a rediculously high tax level, but honestly, what corporate CEO is going to commit that kind of corporate suicide, and if they give tax-changing rights to anyone else, then be damned careful. One would hope CEO's are doing so already.
Either way, I'm sure there's other smaller corps out there of people with similar cohesiveness that would love to commit more than 10% of /some/ of their earnings to the corporate cause, so please CCP, remove the 10% cap.
Agreed?
Signed.
Thanks
EvilDoomer
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Lone Bear
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Posted - 2005.10.05 22:37:00 -
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Edited by: Lone Bear on 05/10/2005 22:38:02
First tax ALL transactions not only bounties and rewards.
You'll see that you wont need to have a 25, a 50 or a 100% tax greedy bears 
Your corp need money do corp ops (remember t-e-a-m play)
To be clear: i m in a 0.0% taxation corp.
Edit: Hello E.D. miss you bud ♥ 
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Hllaxiu
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Posted - 2005.10.05 23:04:00 -
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Originally by: Muerte Silenciosa
I'm not sure if I'm the only one who thinks this, but I find the 10% limit on corporate taxation a little bit frustrating. I belong to a small corporation of real-life friends, and we have no problem contributing a large portion of our income to the corporation wallet. We were originally going to set the tax rate to 50%, but quickly found out about the limit...
All I have to say about this.
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sableye
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Posted - 2005.10.05 23:12:00 -
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Edited by: sableye on 05/10/2005 23:14:53
Originally by: Haggislander
Originally by: Kyguard
You must see however, that when a director or someone capable of doing so changes the corp tax rate, there is no message to all members of the corp or a clarification of this change.
Umm, yes, there is. A corporate mail from the CEO is sent out announcing the new tax rate.....
which if he is the only one online can delete or just be real quick and delete when everyone is online :) but the way I see it it snot terribly risky you ceo changes it to 100% and you don't liek it you are always free to leave the corp.
also whats even funnier is say me as director can change the tax butt he corp mail says it was the ceo...
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Muerte Silenciosa
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Posted - 2005.10.06 21:59:00 -
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Originally by: sableye
which if he is the only one online can delete or just be real quick and delete when everyone is online :) but the way I see it it snot terribly risky you ceo changes it to 100% and you don't liek it you are always free to leave the corp.
Any CEO that's willing to go to that kind of lengths to cheat his members out of a little cash (and I say a little because anyone with half a mind would quit immediately upon noticing the higher tax rate), has far too much time on his hands and could find far better ways to make an income.
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also whats even funnier is say me as director can change the tax butt he corp mail says it was the ceo...
Why is it funny? The CEO has essentially granted CEO-rights to a director. Everything a director does, he does in the name of the CEO.
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sableye
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Posted - 2005.10.06 22:31:00 -
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Originally by: Muerte Silenciosa
Originally by: sableye
Why is it funny? The CEO has essentially granted CEO-rights to a director. Everything a director does, he does in the name of the CEO.
so your saying its ok for no trace to be left on who made the changes, some corps have lots of directors they culd'nt function without them but if one decided he wanted to mess around witht he corp he could always chaneg the tax and n one would know who's done it, and getting rid of all your directors would'nt exactly be an option.
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Muerte Silenciosa
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Posted - 2005.10.06 23:09:00 -
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Technically it will be the CEO's fault for appointing someone who would do something like that, yes. Bestowing that kind of power upon someone who hasn't proven themselves beyond a shadow of a doubt to be loyal is downright foolish.
And I know the email says the CEO changed it. There's no other place that indicates who makes those kind of changes eh? That would make for a mystifying situation I suppose.
Are there really that many corporations that have multiple Directors? I would imagine a corp would have 1 CEO and 1 director and then however many else of the others. (Sorry, small corporate mind thinking here...). In that case, if the CEO knows it wasn't him, then it's obvious who it WAS. But then I guess it becomes he-says she-says.
Either way, this minor technically seems vastly trivial compared to the whole thing. If this was your reason for voting down my petition, then what about the people who are perhaps already doing this? Bumping corp tax from 0 to 5? Or from 5 to 10?
Your argument is a valid one, but I don't think it holds much context in this petition.
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sableye
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Posted - 2005.10.06 23:21:00 -
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Originally by: Muerte Silenciosa
Technically it will be the CEO's fault for appointing someone who would do something like that, yes. Bestowing that kind of power upon someone who hasn't proven themselves beyond a shadow of a doubt to be loyal is downright foolish.
And I know the email says the CEO changed it. There's no other place that indicates who makes those kind of changes eh? That would make for a mystifying situation I suppose.
Are there really that many corporations that have multiple Directors? I would imagine a corp would have 1 CEO and 1 director and then however many else of the others. (Sorry, small corporate mind thinking here...). In that case, if the CEO knows it wasn't him, then it's obvious who it WAS. But then I guess it becomes he-says she-says.
Either way, this minor technically seems vastly trivial compared to the whole thing. If this was your reason for voting down my petition, then what about the people who are perhaps already doing this? Bumping corp tax from 0 to 5? Or from 5 to 10?
Your argument is a valid one, but I don't think it holds much context in this petition.
oh I never said it should'nt go ahead I am in favour of the corp having the final say i was just pointing out a game flaw that exists really which I think shoudl eb fixed before it was implemented, true the situation I describe now but losing 10% every once in a whiel to a griefer director is livable and your ceo could pay you it back anyway but logging on and finding 100% tax all the time because of a griefer director would be horrendous I know the ceo could sort it out but think what it could do to corp morale and there is some corps out there with 400+ people I would'nt want to sort that mess out :).
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Koth Krakenworth
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Posted - 2005.10.07 04:03:00 -
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100% tax = nice way to make players in pvpcorps less motivated to carebear instead of killing people
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GobyD
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Posted - 2005.10.07 11:38:00 -
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Signed 
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Rauk Bascha
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Posted - 2005.10.07 18:17:00 -
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Signed
There is no reason to not have the option 1-100%
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Amarr CEO
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Posted - 2005.10.07 20:29:00 -
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Edited by: Amarr CEO on 07/10/2005 20:30:59
Ok so far we as ceos can tax the maximum of 10% which then taxes 10% of npc bountys and agent mission isk rewards.
What i would like to see.
An adjustable tax from say 0-60% That way in times of need you can get isk from your carebears and agent *****s to help pay for the pvpers.
Ok When i say adjustable i mean for different aspects of the game. to name some of the top of my head.....
3% Sells to player/npc
5% Escrows
10% lvl 4 agents
8% lvl 3 agents
6% lvl 2 agents
2% lvl 1 agents
30% on all for Donation Week or to help for that BPO/WAR
So im in full agreemant of what Silenciosa is writing this petition for.
It will insure that all members are activly contributing to the corporation instead of quietly hiding away doing agent mission.
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Nytemaster
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Posted - 2005.10.09 00:28:00 -
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Originally by: Amarr CEO
Edited by: Amarr CEO on 07/10/2005 20:30:59
Ok so far we as ceos can tax the maximum of 10% which then taxes 10% of npc bountys and agent mission isk rewards.
What i would like to see.
An adjustable tax from say 0-60% That way in times of need you can get isk from your carebears and agent *****s to help pay for the pvpers.
Ok When i say adjustable i mean for different aspects of the game. to name some of the top of my head.....
3% Sells to player/npc
5% Escrows
10% lvl 4 agents
8% lvl 3 agents
6% lvl 2 agents
2% lvl 1 agents
30% on all for Donation Week or to help for that BPO/WAR
So im in full agreemant of what Silenciosa is writing this petition for.
It will insure that all members are activly contributing to the corporation instead of quietly hiding away doing agent mission.
Why different amounts for different mission levels? One flat rate for mission levels is adequate enough. However, the underlying principle is definately needed. NPC bounties, transaction tax, mission rewards, escrow, courier missions, contracts, gift taxation, interstation trades, etc..etc. Not only that but gives your corporation a paper trail to identify possible spies, alts, etc..etc.
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Muerte Silenciosa
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Posted - 2005.10.10 02:33:00 -
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Just one bump, then I'll let it go :]
More signatures! Tell your friends/corpmates!
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Amira
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Posted - 2005.10.10 02:38:00 -
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Signed. 50% corp tax would mean that I wouldn't have to get mad when people spend too much time NPCing. As it is the tax is forced to be so low that we need to spend more time monitoring our members. It's an artificial market constraint, and it hurts the corp economy.
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ZelRox
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Posted - 2005.10.10 05:18:00 -
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Originally by: Dianabolic
SIGNED.
If it means zealot bpo for us, im all for 50% ^^
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2005.10.10 07:12:00 -
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Originally by: ZelRox
Originally by: Dianabolic
SIGNED.
If it means zealot bpo for us, im all for 50% ^^
Dian starts singing:
Ninety-nine percentage points in the tax, Ninety-nine percentage points in the tax, niiiiiiiiinety-niiiiiiine percentage points..... in... the... tax.
OK, so it's early, but u get the idea :P
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Omber Zombie
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Posted - 2005.10.10 07:33:00 -
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it ouwld be nice if you could set 1-100% for different roles in the corp (i.e nubs get 5%, semi-nubs 10%, everyone else 30%) type of thing.
so, signed.
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Dave Toz
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Posted - 2005.10.13 13:18:00 -
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If tax is worth having then it should be fully controlable. One of my previous corps worked on a corp economy, ie, they get everything you earn, in return for this tho you get every ship/mod you need. a 10% cap on tax is a waste of time and only usefull to some corps, my old corps economy worked on a trust basis, which with most members worked well, if they could have set a corp tax of 100% then im sure the corp would have been financially far better off and the corp members would have been flying round in evan better equipped ships.
That route wouldnt suite every1 but to those it would suite it would make things much better.
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Kara Kaprica
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Posted - 2005.10.13 20:17:00 -
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What i think would be a cool idea is a variable tax rate depending on member title for example, on 10% global
member 1 *****s npc missions all day making approx 100m he pays 10m isk
member 2 does sweet fa pops and npc battleship because its on his way to whatever else hes doing, makes 1.5m isk pays 150k
member 1 has clearly donated more to his corp because goes out and makes money, while lazy basta 2 didnt really do anything.
It would be cool if you could tax member 1 less and member 2 more to reward member 1 for what he is doing for his corp.
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sonofollo
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Posted - 2005.10.15 09:50:00 -
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make it an option on mission rewards and bounty kills 0-100% - sorry but this 10% cap is a pathetic idea if someone in a corp doesnt like high corp tax they either protest and try to get change or leave and go somewhere else - make corps compete for members on tax competitiveness as well. Make corps strike a balance
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WiseMagic
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Posted - 2005.10.15 11:27:00 -
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U are just all a bunch of greedy CEO's that want more money, a bit of BIG'ing I feel there. U guys would realy pay 20% tax in rl wtf u guys know how much that is. 10% is perfect if everyone does a little NPC'ing or agent running it should work out. 75% or even 100% tax what a load of bull. U guys should be shot for ideas like that.
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Muerte Silenciosa
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Posted - 2005.10.16 08:51:00 -
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Edited by: Muerte Silenciosa on 16/10/2005 08:52:10
Nobody said your corp had to do it. And nobody said you had to like it. I simply asked that if you agree, to sign the petition, and if you disagree, walk away.
And FYI, I'm a member in my corp.
Your post serves no purpose in this topic.
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2005.10.16 10:21:00 -
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Originally by: WiseMagic
U are just all a bunch of greedy CEO's that want more money, a bit of BIG'ing I feel there. U guys would realy pay 20% tax in rl wtf u guys know how much that is. 10% is perfect if everyone does a little NPC'ing or agent running it should work out. 75% or even 100% tax what a load of bull. U guys should be shot for ideas like that.
Some of us play this game as a group, it works quite well for us, thanks - the ability to set a higher tax rate enables us (further than we already can) to setup our corp the way WE want it, with not ARTIFICIAL limits (cuz they're ghey).
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Shivaja
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Posted - 2005.10.16 11:14:00 -
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Sighned and agree
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