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Muerte Silenciosa	Posted - 2005.10.04 07:10:00 - [1] I'm not sure if I'm the only one who thinks this, but I find the 10% limit on corporate taxation a little bit frustrating. I belong to a small corporation of real-life friends, and we have no problem contributing a large portion of our income to the corporation wallet. We were originally going to set the tax rate to 50%, but quickly found out about the limit... I can perhaps see that some people would take advantage of this and 'wreck' a corporation by applying a rediculously high tax level, but honestly, what corporate CEO is going to commit that kind of corporate suicide, and if they give tax-changing rights to anyone else, then be damned careful. One would hope CEO's are doing so already. Either way, I'm sure there's other smaller corps out there of people with similar cohesiveness that would love to commit more than 10% of /some/ of their earnings to the corporate cause, so please CCP, remove the 10% cap. Agreed?
Eternacate	Posted - 2005.10.04 07:15:00 - [2] Agreed... Though there should be some kind of check involved. (ie: if you want tax over 10% require a vote to be called within the corp)
Seleene	Posted - 2005.10.04 07:45:00 - [3] Signed! /emote sets 100% corp tax! Muhahahaha!! - We're outnumbered! That simplifies the problem!
Jorev	Posted - 2005.10.04 08:20:00 - [4] No! If you and your friends want to contribute more of your money, feel free to use the 'give to corp' button. Nothing is stopping you, send 100m right now.
FowlPlayChiken	Posted - 2005.10.04 08:21:00 - [5] seleene...go to bed! im the only forum whoring vampire allowed here!:)
The Clash	Posted - 2005.10.04 08:54:00 - [6] I got back to EvE days ago and this question wanderd around in my head If a corp has for eg 10 % corptax , does it taken away automaticlly now from whatever you earn by sellin on markets and npcing ? _________________ R.I.P.
Trooper B99	Posted - 2005.10.04 08:56:00 - [7] Edited by: Trooper B99 on 04/10/2005 08:58:51 Originally by: Seleene Signed! /emote sets 100% corp tax! Muhahahaha!! Eeeeek! EDIT: Clash, I know its definatley NPC bounties that are taxed, but i'm not 100% on sales. as i don't do much selling. Wirykomi Team Racer - COLOSSUS Championships Year 106
The Clash	Posted - 2005.10.04 09:14:00 - [8] Cheers , Ill try sell something today and see if there is any diffrence in what you recieve . _________________ R.I.P.
Elise Masutra	Posted - 2005.10.04 09:15:00 - [9] it just taxes just npc bounties and agent isk rewards
Velios	Posted - 2005.10.04 09:16:00 - [10] Only NPC bounties and Agent mission isk rewards are taxed. And corp members with view access to the corp wallet can see exactly who is doing all the NPC hunting or missions when they should be on corp ops :) More tax options would be good imo. CEO's and Directors would then have to walk a very fine line of reasonable tax levels and a happy corp. M.Corp BPC Packages
SlightlyMad	Posted - 2005.10.04 09:23:00 - [11] Signed already! 10% is useless really. -Sanity is for the weak
Koth Krakenworth	Posted - 2005.10.04 10:02:00 - [12] Originally by: Velios Only NPC bounties and Agent mission isk rewards are taxed. Note, also PvP bounties "It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems just with potatoes."
Dianabolic	Posted - 2005.10.04 13:45:00 - [13] SIGNED.
Balazs Simon	Posted - 2005.10.04 14:10:00 - [14] Signed as well... we think the 10% is too low. - This post is my personal opinion. It does not represent the standpoint of the HUN Corporation or that of the Imperium Alliance in any way. -
StiZum Hilidii	Posted - 2005.10.04 14:38:00 - [15] signed i wanna tax people 75% ffs STAN FACTA NON VERBA HUNTING RUSSIANS ONE SAFESPOT AT A TIME
Kyle Caldrel	Posted - 2005.10.04 14:40:00 - [16] Originally by: Koth Krakenworth Originally by: Velios Only NPC bounties and Agent mission isk rewards are taxed. Note, also PvP bounties Yeah, a corpmate of mine was steamed that the bounty he collected was taxed.
Shai Faetal	Posted - 2005.10.04 15:09:00 - [17] i pay 20% tax in rl, why must we be forced to pay only 10% ingame, this is unbalanced and should be fixed o/. signed - meh. go away (forum ***** wannabe)
Yamabushi	Posted - 2005.10.04 15:38:00 - [18] well i do understand the "argument" muerte is bringing out here... but tbh from my point of view there¦s still something called "trust"..... 10% tax rate is meaningless, if you can trust the bunch of people called your corp around you..... sure ISK is important.... but there are still more ways offered thru eve to get your corp going, than just money !
Kyguard	Posted - 2005.10.04 16:01:00 - [19] While I agree that you should be able to raise the tax beyond 5% or 10% (whatever it is). You must see however, that when a director or someone capable of doing so changes the corp tax rate, there is no message to all members of the corp or a clarification of this change. Forgive me if I am the only person to not want to see a 100% tax rate after I've done 2 days of mission whoring -- God is on the side with the best artillery
Fi T'Zeh	Posted - 2005.10.04 16:12:00 - [20] Signed. Communism ftw !!!1111oneoneeleven ....
Harisdrop	Posted - 2005.10.04 16:38:00 - [21] Scialism for the win! I think you should be allowed to tax all journal entries seperate upto 100% and kill the IBM Servers. Lets toast this game with LAG. -------------------------- Does it matter why, its when is more crucial!
Harisdrop	Posted - 2005.10.04 16:43:00 - [22] How about Alliance tax? How about setting conquerable stations tax that can be set by the owners upto 100%. I think not only should you be able to set a standing but specific taxes on those standings. If I was set to 1.0 standing I should pay non-ratio more than a 10.00. example soo I pay 10k for each damage point at 1.00 standing while the 10.0 standing pays 3.75isk per damage point. Why cant you charge more than a million an office rental. Why cant i reduce the broker fee or scc tax in 0.0? -------------------------- Does it matter why, its when is more crucial!
VonKaplanek III	Posted - 2005.10.04 17:30:00 - [23] Signed, agree 100%, at least give the option to go more than 10%
Haggislander	Posted - 2005.10.04 17:41:00 - [24] Originally by: Kyguard You must see however, that when a director or someone capable of doing so changes the corp tax rate, there is no message to all members of the corp or a clarification of this change. Umm, yes, there is. A corporate mail from the CEO is sent out announcing the new tax rate.....
Einheriar Ulrich	Posted - 2005.10.04 18:11:00 - [25] Taxes grrrrrrrr So Say I. Einheriar Ulrich of the Bloodline of Einheriar. **Minion Of VOTF**
Muerte Silenciosa	Posted - 2005.10.04 19:09:00 - [26] Originally by: Jorev No! If you and your friends want to contribute more of your money, feel free to use the 'give to corp' button. Nothing is stopping you, send 100m right now. We're lazy, and would rather not take the time to come up with a consistent system of donating large portions of money in a manner which is fair.
Dianabolic	Posted - 2005.10.04 20:33:00 - [27] Originally by: Kyguard ...there is no message to all members of the corp or a clarification of this change. WRONG. Actually, there IS.
TekRa	Posted - 2005.10.04 20:45:00 - [28] Originally by: Velios Only NPC bounties and Agent mission isk rewards are taxed. And corp members with view access to the corp wallet can see exactly who is doing all the NPC hunting or missions when they should be on corp ops :) More tax options would be good imo. CEO's and Directors would then have to walk a very fine line of reasonable tax levels and a happy corp. ohnoes! _____________________________________ The zenith of hypocrisy.
Archa	Posted - 2005.10.04 22:57:00 - [29] it also taxes bounties
corporal hicks	Posted - 2005.10.04 23:08:00 - [30] Sorry as a representative of the E.C.P.U. (Eve Capsule Pilots Union) I most strongly object to this taxation. Our members allready pay ridiculas double taxation to them concord **s for calls and messages ect and we also demand a 15 min lunch break in fleet battles and a time and a half amount on bounties after killing continuesly for more than 4 hours. For to long these Corporations have been exploiting there workers! we have rights also SAY NO TO INCREASED TAXS Down with the corps! We will be balloting our members on possible Strike action if this nonsense is put through! Try get through a gate with 20 angry geddons with placards! " Stay Frosty "**
Jorev	Posted - 2005.10.04 23:13:00 - [31] LS is the only one that can see the consequences. Don't we have enough NPC-corp chars out there? How is it 'fair' that someone who *****s most missions pay most of the taxes? If you and you RL friends want fair, just say "50m to be deposited each week." Anyway, I really dislike taxes, I think 5% is ok, 10% is for emergency 'fund drives.' I wouldn't stay for a second in a corp that charges 15% or more. Unless I were the CEO's/director's buddy and would get my "cut."
Haggislander	Posted - 2005.10.05 02:23:00 - [32] Originally by: Jorev LS is the only one that can see the consequences. Don't we have enough NPC-corp chars out there? How is it 'fair' that someone who *****s most missions pay most of the taxes? If you and you RL friends want fair, just say "50m to be deposited each week." Anyway, I really dislike taxes, I think 5% is ok, 10% is for emergency 'fund drives.' I wouldn't stay for a second in a corp that charges 15% or more. Unless I were the CEO's/director's buddy and would get my "cut." Why should all corporations be limited by the type of corp. you want to be in?
Foomanshoe	Posted - 2005.10.05 05:21:00 - [33] i agree it should beable to go to 100% Some corps are commies and it would help them against hoarders. _______________________________________________
whejl	Posted - 2005.10.05 06:26:00 - [34] Originally by: Shai Faetal i pay 20% tax in rl, why must we be forced to pay only 10% ingame, this is unbalanced and should be fixed o/. signed In sweden we pay 50-100+% tax, we want it ingame to!! To the no-guy: are you stupid? just dont change it instead.
Hans Roaming	Posted - 2005.10.05 10:36:00 - [35] Edited by: Hans Roaming on 05/10/2005 10:37:14 Taxing on selling would fairly tax the industrial members of the corp as well as the NPCers, agent runners and PVPers (bounties). It's income tax and it means that the corp grows and can do things and freeloaders don't just hang on and do nothing money wise for the corp. And 10% is too low, 100% allows for comunist style gameplay. Outreach Executive Huzzah Foreign Affairs Into PVP? Join us to fight some of the best pvpers.
EvilDoomer	Posted - 2005.10.05 17:06:00 - [36] Originally by: Muerte Silenciosa I'm not sure if I'm the only one who thinks this, but I find the 10% limit on corporate taxation a little bit frustrating. I belong to a small corporation of real-life friends, and we have no problem contributing a large portion of our income to the corporation wallet. We were originally going to set the tax rate to 50%, but quickly found out about the limit... I can perhaps see that some people would take advantage of this and 'wreck' a corporation by applying a rediculously high tax level, but honestly, what corporate CEO is going to commit that kind of corporate suicide, and if they give tax-changing rights to anyone else, then be damned careful. One would hope CEO's are doing so already. Either way, I'm sure there's other smaller corps out there of people with similar cohesiveness that would love to commit more than 10% of /some/ of their earnings to the corporate cause, so please CCP, remove the 10% cap. Agreed? Signed. Thanks EvilDoomer Chicago Mobsters
Lone Bear	Posted - 2005.10.05 22:37:00 - [37] Edited by: Lone Bear on 05/10/2005 22:38:02 First tax ALL transactions not only bounties and rewards. You'll see that you wont need to have a 25, a 50 or a 100% tax greedy bears Your corp need money do corp ops (remember t-e-a-m play) To be clear: i m in a 0.0% taxation corp. Edit: Hello E.D. miss you bud ♥
Hllaxiu	Posted - 2005.10.05 23:04:00 - [38] Originally by: Muerte Silenciosa I'm not sure if I'm the only one who thinks this, but I find the 10% limit on corporate taxation a little bit frustrating. I belong to a small corporation of real-life friends, and we have no problem contributing a large portion of our income to the corporation wallet. We were originally going to set the tax rate to 50%, but quickly found out about the limit... All I have to say about this.
sableye	Posted - 2005.10.05 23:12:00 - [39] Edited by: sableye on 05/10/2005 23:14:53 Originally by: Haggislander Originally by: Kyguard You must see however, that when a director or someone capable of doing so changes the corp tax rate, there is no message to all members of the corp or a clarification of this change. Umm, yes, there is. A corporate mail from the CEO is sent out announcing the new tax rate..... which if he is the only one online can delete or just be real quick and delete when everyone is online :) but the way I see it it snot terribly risky you ceo changes it to 100% and you don't liek it you are always free to leave the corp. also whats even funnier is say me as director can change the tax butt he corp mail says it was the ceo...
Muerte Silenciosa	Posted - 2005.10.06 21:59:00 - [40] Originally by: sableye which if he is the only one online can delete or just be real quick and delete when everyone is online :) but the way I see it it snot terribly risky you ceo changes it to 100% and you don't liek it you are always free to leave the corp. Any CEO that's willing to go to that kind of lengths to cheat his members out of a little cash (and I say a little because anyone with half a mind would quit immediately upon noticing the higher tax rate), has far too much time on his hands and could find far better ways to make an income. Quote: also whats even funnier is say me as director can change the tax butt he corp mail says it was the ceo... Why is it funny? The CEO has essentially granted CEO-rights to a director. Everything a director does, he does in the name of the CEO.
sableye	Posted - 2005.10.06 22:31:00 - [41] Originally by: Muerte Silenciosa Originally by: sableye Why is it funny? The CEO has essentially granted CEO-rights to a director. Everything a director does, he does in the name of the CEO. so your saying its ok for no trace to be left on who made the changes, some corps have lots of directors they culd'nt function without them but if one decided he wanted to mess around witht he corp he could always chaneg the tax and n one would know who's done it, and getting rid of all your directors would'nt exactly be an option.
Muerte Silenciosa	Posted - 2005.10.06 23:09:00 - [42] Technically it will be the CEO's fault for appointing someone who would do something like that, yes. Bestowing that kind of power upon someone who hasn't proven themselves beyond a shadow of a doubt to be loyal is downright foolish. And I know the email says the CEO changed it. There's no other place that indicates who makes those kind of changes eh? That would make for a mystifying situation I suppose. Are there really that many corporations that have multiple Directors? I would imagine a corp would have 1 CEO and 1 director and then however many else of the others. (Sorry, small corporate mind thinking here...). In that case, if the CEO knows it wasn't him, then it's obvious who it WAS. But then I guess it becomes he-says she-says. Either way, this minor technically seems vastly trivial compared to the whole thing. If this was your reason for voting down my petition, then what about the people who are perhaps already doing this? Bumping corp tax from 0 to 5? Or from 5 to 10? Your argument is a valid one, but I don't think it holds much context in this petition.
sableye	Posted - 2005.10.06 23:21:00 - [43] Originally by: Muerte Silenciosa Technically it will be the CEO's fault for appointing someone who would do something like that, yes. Bestowing that kind of power upon someone who hasn't proven themselves beyond a shadow of a doubt to be loyal is downright foolish. And I know the email says the CEO changed it. There's no other place that indicates who makes those kind of changes eh? That would make for a mystifying situation I suppose. Are there really that many corporations that have multiple Directors? I would imagine a corp would have 1 CEO and 1 director and then however many else of the others. (Sorry, small corporate mind thinking here...). In that case, if the CEO knows it wasn't him, then it's obvious who it WAS. But then I guess it becomes he-says she-says. Either way, this minor technically seems vastly trivial compared to the whole thing. If this was your reason for voting down my petition, then what about the people who are perhaps already doing this? Bumping corp tax from 0 to 5? Or from 5 to 10? Your argument is a valid one, but I don't think it holds much context in this petition. oh I never said it should'nt go ahead I am in favour of the corp having the final say i was just pointing out a game flaw that exists really which I think shoudl eb fixed before it was implemented, true the situation I describe now but losing 10% every once in a whiel to a griefer director is livable and your ceo could pay you it back anyway but logging on and finding 100% tax all the time because of a griefer director would be horrendous I know the ceo could sort it out but think what it could do to corp morale and there is some corps out there with 400+ people I would'nt want to sort that mess out :).
Koth Krakenworth	Posted - 2005.10.07 04:03:00 - [44] 100% tax = nice way to make players in pvpcorps less motivated to carebear instead of killing people "It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems just with potatoes."
GobyD	Posted - 2005.10.07 11:38:00 - [45] Signed
Rauk Bascha	Posted - 2005.10.07 18:17:00 - [46] Signed There is no reason to not have the option 1-100%
Amarr CEO	Posted - 2005.10.07 20:29:00 - [47] Edited by: Amarr CEO on 07/10/2005 20:30:59 Ok so far we as ceos can tax the maximum of 10% which then taxes 10% of npc bountys and agent mission isk rewards. What i would like to see. An adjustable tax from say 0-60% That way in times of need you can get isk from your carebears and agent *****s to help pay for the pvpers. Ok When i say adjustable i mean for different aspects of the game. to name some of the top of my head..... 3% Sells to player/npc 5% Escrows 10% lvl 4 agents 8% lvl 3 agents 6% lvl 2 agents 2% lvl 1 agents 30% on all for Donation Week or to help for that BPO/WAR So im in full agreemant of what Silenciosa is writing this petition for. It will insure that all members are activly contributing to the corporation instead of quietly hiding away doing agent mission. One Family.....One Goal.....One Future Adeptus Gattacus the Way Forward ADGA SITE
Nytemaster	Posted - 2005.10.09 00:28:00 - [48] Originally by: Amarr CEO Edited by: Amarr CEO on 07/10/2005 20:30:59 Ok so far we as ceos can tax the maximum of 10% which then taxes 10% of npc bountys and agent mission isk rewards. What i would like to see. An adjustable tax from say 0-60% That way in times of need you can get isk from your carebears and agent *****s to help pay for the pvpers. Ok When i say adjustable i mean for different aspects of the game. to name some of the top of my head..... 3% Sells to player/npc 5% Escrows 10% lvl 4 agents 8% lvl 3 agents 6% lvl 2 agents 2% lvl 1 agents 30% on all for Donation Week or to help for that BPO/WAR So im in full agreemant of what Silenciosa is writing this petition for. It will insure that all members are activly contributing to the corporation instead of quietly hiding away doing agent mission. Why different amounts for different mission levels? One flat rate for mission levels is adequate enough. However, the underlying principle is definately needed. NPC bounties, transaction tax, mission rewards, escrow, courier missions, contracts, gift taxation, interstation trades, etc..etc. Not only that but gives your corporation a paper trail to identify possible spies, alts, etc..etc. --- Nytemaster Mega-Deth
Muerte Silenciosa	Posted - 2005.10.10 02:33:00 - [49] Just one bump, then I'll let it go :] More signatures! Tell your friends/corpmates!
Amira	Posted - 2005.10.10 02:38:00 - [50] Signed. 50% corp tax would mean that I wouldn't have to get mad when people spend too much time NPCing. As it is the tax is forced to be so low that we need to spend more time monitoring our members. It's an artificial market constraint, and it hurts the corp economy. "The Spartans ask not how many, but where they are." -Agis II of Sparta
ZelRox	Posted - 2005.10.10 05:18:00 - [51] Originally by: Dianabolic SIGNED. If it means zealot bpo for us, im all for 50% ^^ ---------------------- I wanna tuc tuc ..
Dianabolic	Posted - 2005.10.10 07:12:00 - [52] Originally by: ZelRox Originally by: Dianabolic SIGNED. If it means zealot bpo for us, im all for 50% ^^ Dian starts singing: Ninety-nine percentage points in the tax, Ninety-nine percentage points in the tax, niiiiiiiiinety-niiiiiiine percentage points..... in... the... tax. OK, so it's early, but u get the idea :P
Omber Zombie	Posted - 2005.10.10 07:33:00 - [53] it ouwld be nice if you could set 1-100% for different roles in the corp (i.e nubs get 5%, semi-nubs 10%, everyone else 30%) type of thing. so, signed. ----------- blog
Dave Toz	Posted - 2005.10.13 13:18:00 - [54] If tax is worth having then it should be fully controlable. One of my previous corps worked on a corp economy, ie, they get everything you earn, in return for this tho you get every ship/mod you need. a 10% cap on tax is a waste of time and only usefull to some corps, my old corps economy worked on a trust basis, which with most members worked well, if they could have set a corp tax of 100% then im sure the corp would have been financially far better off and the corp members would have been flying round in evan better equipped ships. That route wouldnt suite every1 but to those it would suite it would make things much better.
Kara Kaprica	Posted - 2005.10.13 20:17:00 - [55] What i think would be a cool idea is a variable tax rate depending on member title for example, on 10% global member 1 *****s npc missions all day making approx 100m he pays 10m isk member 2 does sweet fa pops and npc battleship because its on his way to whatever else hes doing, makes 1.5m isk pays 150k member 1 has clearly donated more to his corp because goes out and makes money, while lazy basta 2 didnt really do anything. It would be cool if you could tax member 1 less and member 2 more to reward member 1 for what he is doing for his corp. "Vengence delivered, on time and cold as ordered"
sonofollo	Posted - 2005.10.15 09:50:00 - [56] make it an option on mission rewards and bounty kills 0-100% - sorry but this 10% cap is a pathetic idea if someone in a corp doesnt like high corp tax they either protest and try to get change or leave and go somewhere else - make corps compete for members on tax competitiveness as well. Make corps strike a balance
WiseMagic	Posted - 2005.10.15 11:27:00 - [57] U are just all a bunch of greedy CEO's that want more money, a bit of BIG'ing I feel there. U guys would realy pay 20% tax in rl wtf u guys know how much that is. 10% is perfect if everyone does a little NPC'ing or agent running it should work out. 75% or even 100% tax what a load of bull. U guys should be shot for ideas like that.
Muerte Silenciosa	Posted - 2005.10.16 08:51:00 - [58] Edited by: Muerte Silenciosa on 16/10/2005 08:52:10 Nobody said your corp had to do it. And nobody said you had to like it. I simply asked that if you agree, to sign the petition, and if you disagree, walk away. And FYI, I'm a member in my corp. Your post serves no purpose in this topic.
Dianabolic	Posted - 2005.10.16 10:21:00 - [59] Originally by: WiseMagic U are just all a bunch of greedy CEO's that want more money, a bit of BIG'ing I feel there. U guys would realy pay 20% tax in rl wtf u guys know how much that is. 10% is perfect if everyone does a little NPC'ing or agent running it should work out. 75% or even 100% tax what a load of bull. U guys should be shot for ideas like that. Some of us play this game as a group, it works quite well for us, thanks - the ability to set a higher tax rate enables us (further than we already can) to setup our corp the way WE want it, with not ARTIFICIAL limits (cuz they're ghey).
Shivaja	Posted - 2005.10.16 11:14:00 - [60] Sighned and agree NORAD Kill Board
KingAc	Posted - 2005.10.16 11:20:00 - [61] 100% corp taxes 4tw.... Still we need some more corp options about taxes.
Coupo	Posted - 2005.10.16 15:07:00 - [62] Im in a "communist" Corporation and would love to see us able to set a 100% tax rate, So everything we do really does goto the Corp. /signed :P I Shoot first, ask questions about your veldspar mining technique later

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