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BurnHard	Posted - 2005.10.04 09:31:00 - [1] Any advice on retribution setup please. No holds barred (all Tech II if possible). thx.
Douglas McCracken	Posted - 2005.10.04 09:38:00 - [2] Edited by: Douglas Mc***en on 04/10/2005 09:40:12 4 medium pulse II, 1 whatever 1 AB (preferably named - retribution has CPU issues) 1 Med Armour Rep II, 2 N-Type Hardners (i use thermal and kinetic as i fight mostly guristas), 2 CPR's The n-types are essential since the retribution has lame CPU. If your looking for a PvP setup, just fit all heatsinks in the lows and fly with a wingman in a ceptor to web/scramble anything..
Alt Spy	Posted - 2005.10.04 09:41:00 - [3] 4 dual light pulse II, 1 "knave" small nosferatu x5 web ammatar navy rep, ts pdu, 400mm rolled tungsten plates, energized adaptive nano membrane II, energized thermic membrane II 153,28/156,25 grid 74,32/75,25 cpu armor is 1956hp and res is 68 84 70 64 wait for the agression, 2 enemy frigs doesnt really matter, then kill them before they realize they are hurting, one medslot is just very sad so this ship really cant be of much use sadly. But against very confident opponents it can be god mode.
CB Cyrix	Posted - 2005.10.04 10:46:00 - [4] what dont make sense to me is this: Amarr Frigate Skill Bonus: 10% reduction in Small Energy Turret cap use, 15% bonus to Shield and Armor Explosive resistance and 10% bonus to Shield and Armor Kinetic resistance per level so with amarr level 5 you get bonus of 75% (15% per level) to explosive and 50% (10% per level) to kinetic, bring your resists from 60/80/62.5/35 to 60/95/81.25/35 just by getting into it?
Avon	Posted - 2005.10.04 11:01:00 - [5] Resists don't add like that. ______________________________________________ The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
CB Cyrix	Posted - 2005.10.04 11:02:00 - [6] Originally by: Avon Resists don't add like that. OK then, so why is it that the bonus for a SAC gives 5% per level of armour for the cruiser skill it needs to get into the thing. So just getting into it gives you 25% more resists like the description says? But the RETRIBUTION has 15% explosive and 10% kinetic boost per level of armour for the frig skill it needs to get into the thing. SO just getting into it gives you 75% more resist to explosive and 50% more resist to kinetic like the description says? why are both ships descriptions worded the same YET the atual bonus's are not given in the same way?
Avon	Posted - 2005.10.04 11:07:00 - [7] Edited by: Avon on 04/10/2005 11:14:20 I thought the frigate bonuses were already included in the Retribution's stats? Punisher -> Retribution Shield 0 + 0% = 0 60 + 75% = 90 40 + 50% = 70 20 + 0% = 20 Armour 60 + 0% = 60 20 + 75% = 80 25 + 50% = 62.5 35 + 0% = 35 Is that not right? ______________________________________________ The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
CB Cyrix	Posted - 2005.10.04 11:12:00 - [8] Originally by: Avon I thought the frigate bonuses were already included in the Retribution's stats? so why are the info's on both these examples the same, yet the bonus are treated differently? this is for all assaults, according to the info they should all have higher resists when you get into them than when they are repackaged etc? Can someone atually check this: Base resits on SAC = 60/80/62.5/35 Resists by getting into it = 70/85/71.8/51.25 25% boost to all like the info said? Base resists on Retri = 60/80/62.5/35 Resits by getting into it = 60/95/81.2/35 75% explosive and 50% kinetic boost like info said?
Avon	Posted - 2005.10.04 11:17:00 - [9] Isn't the SAC a double bonus because the Maller resists increase per level too? ______________________________________________ The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
CB Cyrix	Posted - 2005.10.04 11:18:00 - [10] Originally by: Avon Edited by: Avon on 04/10/2005 11:14:20 I thought the frigate bonuses were already included in the Retribution's stats? Punisher -> Retribution Shield 0 + 0% = 0 60 + 75% = 90 40 + 50% = 70 20 + 0% = 20 Armour 60 + 0% = 60 20 + 75% = 80 25 + 50% = 62.5 35 + 0% = 35 Is that not right? If thats the case then they need to add the new resists to ships like the SAC coz its resits only increase AFTER you get into it.... yet then other hacs like the zealot has hidden resists in resepct to the omen.....??? somethings out of line here... why are some bonus being treated differently on frigs than cruisers?
SeeD IX	Posted - 2005.10.04 11:19:00 - [11] Edited by: SeeD IX on 04/10/2005 11:19:56 I cant fly a sac.. but i fly a retribution and its resists are not added after you get in. The armor bonus per level x5 is already included in stats. otherwise it would be .. kinda uber. lol. edit; wow.. lots of fast responses at downtime eh? nothin else to do.. i guess. Originally by: Ikvar The Vengeance NEEDS to be nerfed. It's ability to die FAR outclasses ANY OTHER SHIP IN THE GAME! One time, I engaged one and it went down in seconds, any other AF that can do that? Not r
CB Cyrix	Posted - 2005.10.04 11:21:00 - [12] Originally by: Avon Isn't the SAC a double bonus because the Maller resists increase per level too? then the wording on assaults and hacs are all messed up. zealot has higher resists than a omen, yet its not written in the info. retribution has higher resists than punisher yet it IS written in the info.... but thats the point of assaults, natural higher resists...? so the info either needs clearing or the resits on all races assaults need boosting once you get into the ship LIKE the info says. after all its not one rule for HACs and one for ASSAULTS?
CB Cyrix	Posted - 2005.10.04 11:24:00 - [13] Edited by: CB Cyrix on 04/10/2005 11:24:14 Originally by: Avon Edited by: Avon on 04/10/2005 11:14:20 I thought the frigate bonuses were already included in the Retribution's stats? Punisher -> Retribution Shield 0 + 0% = 0 60 + 75% = 90 40 + 50% = 70 20 + 0% = 20 Armour 60 + 0% = 60 20 + 75% = 80 25 + 50% = 62.5 35 + 0% = 35 Is that not right? do the same for omen > zealot and thingybob > SAC, wheres the info for them bonus's??? why is it different for assaults and hacs?
CB Cyrix	Posted - 2005.10.04 11:27:00 - [14] hacs high resists over tech 1 are auto-on there, and no info in bonus section about them, YET assaults resists over tech 1 are auto-on there, and there info shows these boosts... yet this needs removing to make them the same and atually give them anoher bonus LIKE hacs get over the tech 1 version.. DOES ANYONE SEE MY POINT!!!! lol
Joerd Toastius	Posted - 2005.10.04 11:29:00 - [15] Originally by: Douglas Mc***en Edited by: Douglas Mc***en on 04/10/2005 09:40:12 4 medium pulse II, 1 whatever 1 AB (preferably named - retribution has CPU issues) 1 Med Armour Rep II, 2 N-Type Hardners (i use thermal and kinetic as i fight mostly guristas), 2 CPR's The n-types are essential since the retribution has lame CPU. If your looking for a PvP setup, just fit all heatsinks in the lows and fly with a wingman in a ceptor to web/scramble anything.. Pretty much what I NPC with, often leaving the spare high empty, T2 AB and a SMALL Rep II because I can't see any obvious way to fit a module with a 173MW grid requirement on a ship with 56MW base grid... Oh, and I use an active thermal and passive adaptive because I'm a cheapskate :P
CB Cyrix	Posted - 2005.10.04 11:32:00 - [16] example 2: (CAPS ARE JUST TO SEE WHATS MY WRITING AND WHATS QUOTED) Gallente Cruiser Skill Bonus: 5% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret damage and 5% less penalty to max capacitor capacity for Microwarpdrive usage per level Heavy Assault Ship Skill Bonus: 10% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret falloff and 5% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret damage per level NOTHING THERE ABOUT ITS HIGHER RESITS Gallente Frigate Skill Bonus: 5% bonus to Small Hybrid Turret damage, 15% bonus to Shield and Armor Kinetic resistance and 10% bonus to Shield and Armor Thermal resistance per level Assault Ships Skill Bonus: 10% bonus to Small Hybrid Turret optimal range and 5% bonus to Small Hybrid Turret Tracking Speed per level OH OH OH ITS SHOWS THE RESITS... YET ITS AUTO ON.... SHOULD BE THIS: Gallente Frigate Skill Bonus: 5% bonus to Small Hybrid Turret damage,(COS THE RESISTS ARE ALREADY ON SO IM NOT HAVING IT HERE LOL SO LETS ADD ANOTHER BONUS LIKE HACS HAVE), 50% bonus to small inkjet printer speed per level. Assault Ships Skill Bonus: 10% bonus to Small Hybrid Turret optimal range and 5% bonus to Small Hybrid Turret Tracking Speed per level
CB LoKi	Posted - 2005.10.04 11:41:00 - [17] Edited by: CB LoKi on 04/10/2005 11:41:48 Back to original topic. I was thinking this setup, does it fit? 4 medium pulse II 1 AB II 1 Small Rep II, N-Type Thermal, adaptive nano II ,2x CPR Resists: 68 EM 84 EXP 70 KIN 72 THR
Agama	Posted - 2005.10.04 11:45:00 - [18] I have been running: 4x Med Pulse II 1x Named AB 1x Named Armour repper, 1x N-Type thermic, MAPC, 2x HSII 'Death solves all problems- no man, no problem' J.V. Stalin, 1918
Joerd Toastius	Posted - 2005.10.04 11:49:00 - [19] Should do. I run the same setup but with Thermic I and Adaptive Nano I; latter T2 version has higher CPU needs but former N-Type has lower CPU needs so it probably balances out. You won't have grid problems afaik, anyway
NeoNeTiC	Posted - 2005.10.04 13:00:00 - [20] Originally by: Agama I have been running: 4x Med Pulse II 1x Named AB 1x Named Armour repper, 1x N-Type thermic, MAPC, 2x HSII Erm... what do you need that MAPC for ? (no offense, just a question) My NPC-setup is currently this one: Hi-Slots: 4x Medium Pulse Laser II Med-Slots: 1x 1MN Afterburner II Low-Slots: 1x Small Armor Repairer II 1x N-Type Thermic Hardener 1x Heat Sink II 1x Named Tracking Enhancer 1x Capacitor Power Relay I The CPR and the Tracking Enhancer are only in there because I don't have the Enginnering-skills for cap (+recharge) and Motion Prediction is still at III I usually orbit the ships at 5500m (Multifrequency crystals). It all fits without a MAPC (I'm just a miner, so my skills are really crappy in Gunnery and Engineering). Regards, NeoNeTiC DDM-Fitting-noob
CB Cyrix	Posted - 2005.10.04 13:03:00 - [21] Originally by: NeoNeTiC Originally by: Agama I have been running: 4x Med Pulse II 1x Named AB 1x Named Armour repper, 1x N-Type thermic, MAPC, 2x HSII Erm... what do you need that MAPC for ? (no offense, just a question) My NPC-setup is currently this one: Hi-Slots: 4x Medium Pulse Laser II Med-Slots: 1x 1MN Afterburner II Low-Slots: 1x Small Armor Repairer II 1x N-Type Thermic Hardener 1x Heat Sink II 1x Named Tracking Enhancer 1x Capacitor Power Relay I The CPR and the Tracking Enhancer are only in there because I don't have the Enginnering-skills for cap (+recharge) and Motion Prediction is still at III I usually orbit the ships at 5500m (Multifrequency crystals). It all fits without a MAPC (I'm just a miner, so my skills are really crappy in Gunnery and Engineering). Regards, NeoNeTiC DDM-Fitting-noob Hows your cap with that lot? Does it all run forever?
Joerd Toastius	Posted - 2005.10.04 13:07:00 - [22] I use a second CPR and have decent cap skills but otherwise an identical setup active modules-wise and I can run indefinitely at about 50% cap. The hardner and rep stay on whenever I'm undocked, because it's safer and doesn't have any drawbacks.
CB Cyrix	Posted - 2005.10.04 13:16:00 - [23] Originally by: Joerd Toastius I use a second CPR and have decent cap skills but otherwise an identical setup active modules-wise and I can run indefinitely at about 50% cap. The hardner and rep stay on whenever I'm undocked, because it's safer and doesn't have any drawbacks. So you go for this: Hi-Slots: 4x Medium Pulse Laser II Med-Slots: 1x 1MN Afterburner II Low-Slots: 1x Small Armor Repairer II 1x Thermic Hardener 1x Heat Sink II 2x Capacitor Power Relay I Anyone here hunt in 0.0 with this ship here? Whats your setups? And what rats do you go against?
keepiru	Posted - 2005.10.04 13:17:00 - [24] Edited by: keepiru on 04/10/2005 13:19:16 This fits for me: 4x Medium Pulse II 1x Gistii A-Type 1MN AB 1x Small ARU, 1x Thermal Hardener II, 1x 'Refuge' Adaptive nano, 2x CPR The 'Refuge' gives you 15.36% to all resists for a whole 1pg and 0tf :D Sometimes i pop a micro smartbomb in the spare high if im going against drones... ive met webbing ripper drones and theyre annyong >.>; I might buy a faction micro smartie, heh. ------------- Fight against the filo-communist t2 monopolies! Down with CCCP's one-week plan! Viva la revoluci¾n! o/
NeoNeTiC	Posted - 2005.10.04 13:18:00 - [25] Originally by: CB Cyrix Hows your cap with that lot? Does it all run forever? Well, as stated above I haven't got any of the cap-skills, so - only the Med Pulse II,AB II and the hardener can run forever. I know it's not "perfect" but good enough for the purpose of killing NPCs down to 0.1-systems. I was just curious why one would fit a MAPC if everything seems to fit without maxed skills Regards, NeoNeTiC... ...still a fitting-noob
CB Cyrix	Posted - 2005.10.04 13:22:00 - [26] Originally by: NeoNeTiC Originally by: CB Cyrix Hows your cap with that lot? Does it all run forever? Well, as stated above I haven't got any of the cap-skills, so - only the Med Pulse II,AB II and the hardener can run forever. I know it's not "perfect" but good enough for the purpose of killing NPCs down to 0.1-systems. I was just curious why one would fit a MAPC if everything seems to fit without maxed skills Regards, NeoNeTiC... ...still a fitting-noob beats me about the MAPC lol! some people are dumb. anyway, if i was to hunt in 0.1 a crusader with duel light beams and ab and rep can run forever and hunt fine. what i want is the hardcore 0.0 hunters who use this ship to post a setup and what rats you "kings among men" are attacking?
von Torgo	Posted - 2005.10.04 13:33:00 - [27] Originally by: CB Cyrix Anyone here hunt in 0.0 with this ship here? Yes. I do occasionally. Originally by: CB Cyrix Whats your setups? Slight modification from Alt Spy's setup Originally by: CB Cyrix And what rats do you go against? Anything goes. BS tank breaking can take ages. Fit for more damage or choose your spawns.
CB Cyrix	Posted - 2005.10.04 13:39:00 - [28] Originally by: von Torgo Originally by: CB Cyrix Anyone here hunt in 0.0 with this ship here? Yes. I do occasionally. Originally by: CB Cyrix Whats your setups? Slight modification from Alt Spy's setup Originally by: CB Cyrix And what rats do you go against? Anything goes. BS tank breaking can take ages. Fit for more damage or choose your spawns. ok then, do me a favour and evemail me ingame the setup would you mate? i would love to have a try at 0.0 killing with a minizee
EnglishBob	Posted - 2005.10.04 13:47:00 - [29] A 0.0 ratting setup you say? 4x T2 Med Pulse. Named/T2 Ab 2xCPR T2/Extruded Heatsink Energised Thermic Plating (Best you can find, I use Dark Blood) EM Plating (Best you can find) T2 Small Rep Use Multis on just about everything but also carry X-Rays in case of Rat Inties. This setup can handle just about all 0.0 Amarr-type rats, but as always in a frig, care must be taken when rat frigs are present as usually, webbed=dead.
Anominity	Posted - 2005.10.04 14:28:00 - [30] I have 2 NPC setups, and 2 PVP. They are: NPC 1: Hi: 4 Med Pulse II Med: 1MN AB II Low: 1 Small Rep II, 1 N-Type Thermal Hardener, 1 Adaptive Nano II, 2 CPR's NPC 2: Hi: 4 Med Pulse II Med: 1MN AB II Low: 1 Small Rep II, 1 N-Type Thermal Hardener, 1 Heatsink II, 2 CPR's PVP 1: Hi: 4 Med Pulse II, Small "Ghoul" Nos Med: X-5 Web Low: 1 Small Rep II, 1 N-Type Thermal Hardener, 1 Adaptive Nano II, 2 CPR's PVP 2: Hi: 3 Med Pulse II, 2 Small "Ghoul" Nos Med: 1 X5 Web Low: 2 Small Rep II, 1 N-Type Thermal Hardener, 2 CPR's The last one means if you get in web range, and get your nos on him you can run both Reps indefinately. Obviously you need someone else to scramble him.

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