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Ramirez Dora
Snuff Box Urine Alliance
24
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Posted - 2013.05.12 15:21:00 -
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IamBeastx wrote:Ramirez Dora wrote:......... my corpmates have a strong dislike for PL for various reasons v0v Since when did everyone have to get along. I would point out that not initially dis-allowing CCP mails into the tally was a slight oversight in the planning stages, but then i'd just get 'Thats a bad excuse/likely story' responses from the haters. Lets not forget that this was supposed to be a Player vs Player competition, Player vs Dev is always a different story, but the whiners would disagree to no end. I could also point out that this was an event by CCP to try and promote some lowsec fun PVP, but i'd only see 'they did it wrong, shoulda done it this way' responses from the wannabe's. I'd also like to point out that PL repping the NYX increased the timeframe of the competition, rather than us coming in and just nuking it but most likely the responses i'd get would be of 'F**K PL cheats' type from the badposters. As for the Null-block alliances not fighting each other bit, in a huge engagement such as this one, when not in immediate danger you rack up the kills as fast as you can, we are here to pvp, which comes down to numbers, get the bigger one and you win, but some people just don't care unless it goes the way they want. PANDEMIC LEGION HAS THE BIGGER ONE
I could agree on the oversight etc, but they didn't leave it out AND they took out fight-ready fleets to go and brawl in low-sec (again, AS YOU DO in low sec) so they were well into the spirit of it. It's perfectly logical when those two are combined that people will go after it thinking 'these guys will be worth a lot of ISK', and that CCP wanted to add some hard but juicy fights.
After all, they surely didn't intend a nullsec style static object shootout with 1000s of people, because that is not fun and not lowsec. Mind you, not fun for the 1000s that kept traffic control going and welped into the meatgrinder. I'll happilly, again, give you lot props for doing it that way, it's the best approach.
I'd rather call the decision to put the comp on the same time as the rifters event an oversight, because they obviously failed to see the kind of fight it would generate, and that SC kills will always draw in bigger nullsec guys.
We had a lot of fun on the day, and I think we had a valid reason to think we'd won (and just like you we like a bit of smug). We've had our foot in our mouths for 20 pages over that one, but that doesn't mean we like to keep asking CCP 'why da ****?\ and the only answer we've gotten so far is some c&b story about 'NOT PLAYER GEN'D'. v0v
Like I said above, I would agree with you on the point, were it not for the second that they actively went out to get into the fray and get some scores added. Maybe they didn't realise how much impact it would have, and I'm fairly certain they didn't like the smug in here. Unlike us, CCP Devs can change rules to backfire the smug :)
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Dark Flare
Snuff Box Urine Alliance
40
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Posted - 2013.05.12 15:22:00 -
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Shigsy wrote:I like how Dark Flare thinks hes a better poster than Grarr despite repeating the exact same stuff he said. shut up shigsy you suck at hon |
Eram Fidard
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
112
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Posted - 2013.05.12 15:25:00 -
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What would have been so ******* difficult about saying:
Thanks for the event CCP, I've sent feedback to your event co-ordinators regarding what I consider poor planning on the part of the event devs.
Kudos to PL for taking the title, and to everyone who participated.
/thread |
Dark Flare
Snuff Box Urine Alliance
40
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Posted - 2013.05.12 15:25:00 -
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Eram Fidard wrote:You are hallucinating. AT ships have a market value, and are only acquired through ingame means by manufacturing from a blueprint.
so they only have the value of their manufacturing cost then?
Cool i'll go buy a load of them since they're like 10mil each |
Juggalo Memphis
Snuff Box Urine Alliance
2
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Posted - 2013.05.12 15:26:00 -
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HEY WTF DID U GET THE PIC OF RY RY....(inquiring about the guy in the middle) |
Dark Flare
Snuff Box Urine Alliance
40
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Posted - 2013.05.12 15:26:00 -
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Eram Fidard wrote:What would have been so ******* difficult about saying:
Thanks for the event CCP, I've sent feedback to your event co-ordinators regarding what I consider poor planning on the part of the event devs.
Kudos to PL for taking the title, and to everyone who participated.
/thread
hey if you dont like the thread feel free to leave it |
Ramirez Dora
Snuff Box Urine Alliance
24
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Posted - 2013.05.12 15:28:00 -
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Eram Fidard wrote:What would have been so ******* difficult about saying:
Thanks for the event CCP, I've sent feedback to your event co-ordinators regarding what I consider poor planning on the part of the event devs.
Kudos to PL for taking the title, and to everyone who participated.
/thread
Do we look like quiet and shy people to you? We like our smug, and when someone, even CCP dudes, goes and adds random rules that completely change the numbers on a whim; well damn sure we'll call em out in a threadnought. Personally I don't mind the PL smug or the little infights between our members and theirs, that's ex-gf stuff.
So yes, that's why ;)
E: and btw, the Fozzie trolling posts and the way the rule change was conveyed had a lot of CCP smug and lulz in it. Hence why I said I think our smugfest beforehand had a part in it. |
Eram Fidard
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
112
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Posted - 2013.05.12 15:32:00 -
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So, essentially you are deliberately creating drama out of a non-issue resulting from something CCP was kind enough to do.
Thanks for the clarification, and reinforcing what the rest of eve already knows, you are ****.
Confirming you can purchase an Utu for mineral cost.
Dignity. Get some. |
Dark Flare
Snuff Box Urine Alliance
40
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Posted - 2013.05.12 15:34:00 -
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Eram Fidard wrote:So, essentially you are deliberately creating drama out of a non-issue resulting from something CCP was kind enough to do. Thanks for the clarification, and reinforcing what the rest of eve already knows, you are ****. Confirming you can purchase an Utu for mineral cost. Dignity. Get some.
yeah changing the rules and completely changing the outcome as a result is a non-issue
lol dignity if i wanted to do something dignified it sure as sh*t wouldn't be playing a nerd spaceship game on the internet |
Ramirez Dora
Snuff Box Urine Alliance
24
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Posted - 2013.05.12 15:37:00 -
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Says the 7 month old alt? Who cares what the rest of eve think ,you think PL care? Most of eve think they are douchebags, and nb they are (and so are we!). Nobody gives much of a toss what 'the rest of eve' thinks kek, except Chribba <3
As for CCP doing nice stuff, we all know CCP have a track record of making sound and on the level judgment calls |
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IamBeastx
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
56
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Posted - 2013.05.12 15:41:00 -
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Dark Flare wrote:IamBeastx wrote:Ramirez Dora wrote:......... my corpmates have a strong dislike for PL for various reasons v0v Since when did everyone have to get along. I would point out that not initially dis-allowing CCP mails into the tally was a slight oversight in the planning stages discounting 50b of kills is now a "slight oversight" you heard it here first
Don't get so distracted over the number.
I can almost guarantee that any more events of this nature will have a more specific ruleset to deal with the devspawned items that are normally not so easily caught and destroyed or even seen ingame.
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Eram Fidard
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
112
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Posted - 2013.05.12 15:42:00 -
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Oh hey thanks for the age check. I had no idea how old this alt was, that was very helpful of you.
Because nobody ever used a forum alt, ever.
The thing I find the funniest about all this is your sense of entitlement. You honestly think if you whine long and hard enough, CCP is going to change their decision for you. Remind you of any other stereotypically whiny social groups in eve? Hi-sec carebears? |
Dark Flare
Snuff Box Urine Alliance
40
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Posted - 2013.05.12 15:42:00 -
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IamBeastx wrote:Dark Flare wrote:IamBeastx wrote:Ramirez Dora wrote:......... my corpmates have a strong dislike for PL for various reasons v0v Since when did everyone have to get along. I would point out that not initially dis-allowing CCP mails into the tally was a slight oversight in the planning stages discounting 50b of kills is now a "slight oversight" you heard it here first Don't get so distracted over the number. I can almost guarantee that any more events of this nature will have a more specific ruleset to deal with the devspawned items that are normally not so easily caught and destroyed or even seen ingame.
I hope you're right, but I don't really have that much faith
It's just a shame that CCP doesn't have the balls to say "Yeah we should have said that in the OP, our mistake." It's not a surprise, but it is a shame. |
Dark Flare
Snuff Box Urine Alliance
40
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Posted - 2013.05.12 15:43:00 -
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Eram Fidard wrote:Oh hey thanks for the age check. I had no idea how old this alt was, that was very helpful of you.
Because nobody ever used a forum alt, ever.
The thing I find the funniest about all this is your sense of entitlement. You honestly think if you whine long and hard enough, CCP is going to change their decision for you. Remind you of any other stereotypically whiny social groups in eve? Hi-sec carebears?
as it happens we are feeling entitled to the win we would have had had the rules not been changed after the competition
but that kinda makes sense |
Audaerin
Aries Group Pride Before Fall
0
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Posted - 2013.05.12 15:45:00 -
[525] - Quote
you could always take them to court to get your flag to fly high. it would be funny |
Eram Fidard
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
112
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Posted - 2013.05.12 15:46:00 -
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...and when your **** alliance is consigned to the dustbin, people will totally remember you for this *rolls eyes*
get a ******* grip XD |
Raziphan Rebular
Polished Diamond Industries
50
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Posted - 2013.05.12 15:47:00 -
[527] - Quote
The biggest thing to take away from this thread is, not to brag about winning a contest before the results are announced. You might make an ass of yourself. |
Dark Flare
Snuff Box Urine Alliance
42
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Posted - 2013.05.12 15:47:00 -
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Eram Fidard wrote:...and when your **** alliance is consigned to the dustbin, people will totally remember you for this *rolls eyes*
get a ******* grip XD oh no people will think my alliance in an internet spaceship game once complained a lot
this is terrible |
Ramirez Dora
Snuff Box Urine Alliance
25
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Posted - 2013.05.12 15:48:00 -
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Eram Fidard wrote:Oh hey thanks for the age check. I had no idea how old this alt was, that was very helpful of you.
Because nobody ever used a forum alt, ever.
The thing I find the funniest about all this is your sense of entitlement. You honestly think if you whine long and hard enough, CCP is going to change their decision for you. Remind you of any other stereotypically whiny social groups in eve? Hi-sec carebears?
Whining has got a lot of things put into eve (or not)! On the matter of CCP making any further comments here, or heaven forbid make ANOTHER 180, I don't think they will nor do I really hope so. In my eyes they made a call for all-too-human reasons, and it can be argued that it was a bad call for many reasons (hand it to a POS-fight equiv/changing pretty clear ruleset, etc) but can also be argued the other way. Their own behaviour indicated they had all intentions to put 'CCP spawned items' in the middle of this event, which means they did mean to count it. Otherwise you'd expect a 'Hey guys CCP fleets will be roaming during this event but please be aware their kill values do not count to this event'.
The only thing the CCP guys can say is 'we made a call' so what more do we expect? Nothing really, but it won't stop us pointing out the glaring holes in said call. As above, let's hope they make it clearer next time, unlike the million times now they've failed on communications. |
IamBeastx
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
56
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Posted - 2013.05.12 15:49:00 -
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Dark Flare wrote:IamBeastx wrote:Dark Flare wrote:IamBeastx wrote:Ramirez Dora wrote:......... my corpmates have a strong dislike for PL for various reasons v0v Since when did everyone have to get along. I would point out that not initially dis-allowing CCP mails into the tally was a slight oversight in the planning stages discounting 50b of kills is now a "slight oversight" you heard it here first Don't get so distracted over the number. I can almost guarantee that any more events of this nature will have a more specific ruleset to deal with the devspawned items that are normally not so easily caught and destroyed or even seen ingame. I hope you're right, but I don't really have that much faith It's just a shame that CCP doesn't have the balls to say "Yeah we should have said that in the OP, our mistake." It's not a surprise, but it is a shame.
So if they came and said 'sorry we forgot about removing ourselves from the equation at the start' you'd stop the QQ and accept defeat.
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Dark Flare
Snuff Box Urine Alliance
42
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Posted - 2013.05.12 15:51:00 -
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IamBeastx wrote:So if they came and said 'sorry we forgot about removing ourselves from the equation at the start' you'd stop the QQ and accept defeat.
Yes
As I said in like my second post here, I would also accept the entire staff of CCP standing under a banner that reads "WE LOVE URINE" as an apology |
Dark Flare
Snuff Box Urine Alliance
42
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Posted - 2013.05.12 15:51:00 -
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Eram Fidard wrote:...and when your **** alliance is consigned to the dustbin, people will totally remember you for this *rolls eyes*
get a ******* grip XD oh i forgot to mention, using a forum alt is undignified |
Alli Othman
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
85
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Posted - 2013.05.12 15:52:00 -
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Ramirez Dora wrote:Eram Fidard wrote:Oh hey thanks for the age check. I had no idea how old this alt was, that was very helpful of you.
Because nobody ever used a forum alt, ever.
The thing I find the funniest about all this is your sense of entitlement. You honestly think if you whine long and hard enough, CCP is going to change their decision for you. Remind you of any other stereotypically whiny social groups in eve? Hi-sec carebears? Whining has got a lot of things put into eve (or not)! On the matter of CCP making any further comments here, or heaven forbid make ANOTHER 180, I don't think they will nor do I really hope so. In my eyes they made a call for all-too-human reasons, and it can be argued that it was a bad call for many reasons (hand it to a POS-fight equiv/changing pretty clear ruleset, etc) but can also be argued the other way. Their own behaviour indicated they had all intentions to put 'CCP spawned items' in the middle of this event, which means they did mean to count it. Otherwise you'd expect a 'Hey guys CCP fleets will be roaming during this event but please be aware their kill values do not count to this event'. The only thing the CCP guys can say is 'we made a call' so what more do we expect? Nothing really, but it won't stop us pointing out the glaring holes in said call. As above, let's hope they make it clearer next time, unlike the million times now they've failed on communications. HOW DARE THEY HAVE CELEBRATORY 10TH ANNIVERSARY FLEETS ON THE SAME DAY THEY HAVE A CELEBRATORY KINGS OF LOWSEC EVENT? I AM SO OUTRAGED. |
IamBeastx
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
56
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Posted - 2013.05.12 15:57:00 -
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Ramirez Dora wrote:Eram Fidard wrote:Oh hey thanks for the age check. I had no idea how old this alt was, that was very helpful of you.
Because nobody ever used a forum alt, ever.
The thing I find the funniest about all this is your sense of entitlement. You honestly think if you whine long and hard enough, CCP is going to change their decision for you. Remind you of any other stereotypically whiny social groups in eve? Hi-sec carebears? Their own behaviour indicated they had all intentions to put 'CCP spawned items' in the middle of this event, which means they did mean to count it.
The behaviour exhibited more likely indicated they 'MIGHT' come and play, but most likely this was a secondary train of thought and therefore did not factor into the ruleset until AFTER they decided they would come play.
Lets not forget that when ccp comes to fight, they come kitted out in all ways with the idea of losing everything eventually, including the pods, something that normal players try to never lose and is practically impossible to lose in lowsec if you try. How much isk where the pod mails worth in total. |
IamBeastx
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
56
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Posted - 2013.05.12 15:58:00 -
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Dark Flare wrote:IamBeastx wrote:So if they came and said 'sorry we forgot about removing ourselves from the equation at the start' you'd stop the QQ and accept defeat.
Yes
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Dark Flare
Snuff Box Urine Alliance
42
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Posted - 2013.05.12 16:01:00 -
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IamBeastx wrote:Ramirez Dora wrote:Eram Fidard wrote:Oh hey thanks for the age check. I had no idea how old this alt was, that was very helpful of you.
Because nobody ever used a forum alt, ever.
The thing I find the funniest about all this is your sense of entitlement. You honestly think if you whine long and hard enough, CCP is going to change their decision for you. Remind you of any other stereotypically whiny social groups in eve? Hi-sec carebears? Their own behaviour indicated they had all intentions to put 'CCP spawned items' in the middle of this event, which means they did mean to count it. The behaviour exhibited more likely indicated they 'MIGHT' come and play, but most likely this was a secondary train of thought and therefore did not factor into the ruleset until AFTER they decided they would come play. Lets not forget that when ccp comes to fight, they come kitted out in all ways with the idea of losing everything eventually, including the pods, something that normal players try to never lose and is practically impossible to lose in lowsec if you try. How much isk where the pod mails worth in total.
There was like 40b of podmails I think. But the fact that CCP was always "probably" going to lose the pods isn't a surprise to anyone, and metagaming has always been huge in EVE, so it's no surprise that quite a few entities turned up with the intention of boosting stats by shooting CCP pods. And by the rules in the OP, it was the best strategy to win.
But there you go |
Eram Fidard
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
112
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Posted - 2013.05.12 16:04:00 -
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Dark Flare wrote:Eram Fidard wrote:...and when your **** alliance is consigned to the dustbin, people will totally remember you for this *rolls eyes*
get a ******* grip XD oh i forgot to mention, using a forum alt is undignified
I get it, you're roleplaying a self-loathing unsuccessful person, with a tendency to cry at the drop of a hat.
******* roleplayers.
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Dark Flare
Snuff Box Urine Alliance
42
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Posted - 2013.05.12 16:05:00 -
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Eram Fidard wrote:Dark Flare wrote:Eram Fidard wrote:...and when your **** alliance is consigned to the dustbin, people will totally remember you for this *rolls eyes*
get a ******* grip XD oh i forgot to mention, using a forum alt is undignified I get it, you're roleplaying a self-loathing unsuccessful person, with a tendency to cry at the drop of a hat. ******* roleplayers. nah i love myself and i'm basically amazing
but try another diagnosis dr phil |
Ramirez Dora
Snuff Box Urine Alliance
25
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Posted - 2013.05.12 16:06:00 -
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IamBeastx wrote: Lets not forget that when ccp comes to fight, they come kitted out in all ways with the idea of losing everything eventually, including the pods, something that normal players try to never lose and is practically impossible to lose in lowsec if you try. How much isk where the pod mails worth in total.
Well the ones with snakes were ~2.5bil, ignoring all 0 value stuff in there. I think we counted it up to ~50-60 bil, but that's from posts here pre-announcement. And yes I'd agree they came to diaf eventually, but combined with their quite specific ruleset and lack of 'hey guys we don't count' gave nobody any reason to think it wouldn't. It's not like they came in their polaris ships. |
IamBeastx
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
56
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Posted - 2013.05.12 16:09:00 -
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Dark Flare wrote:IamBeastx wrote:Ramirez Dora wrote:Eram Fidard wrote:Oh hey thanks for the age check. I had no idea how old this alt was, that was very helpful of you.
Because nobody ever used a forum alt, ever.
The thing I find the funniest about all this is your sense of entitlement. You honestly think if you whine long and hard enough, CCP is going to change their decision for you. Remind you of any other stereotypically whiny social groups in eve? Hi-sec carebears? Their own behaviour indicated they had all intentions to put 'CCP spawned items' in the middle of this event, which means they did mean to count it. The behaviour exhibited more likely indicated they 'MIGHT' come and play, but most likely this was a secondary train of thought and therefore did not factor into the ruleset until AFTER they decided they would come play. Lets not forget that when ccp comes to fight, they come kitted out in all ways with the idea of losing everything eventually, including the pods, something that normal players try to never lose and is practically impossible to lose in lowsec if you try. How much isk where the pod mails worth in total. There was like 40b of podmails I think. But the fact that CCP was always "probably" going to lose the pods isn't a surprise to anyone, and metagaming has always been huge in EVE, so it's no surprise that quite a few entities turned up with the intention of boosting stats by shooting CCP pods. And by the rules in the OP, it was the best strategy to win. But there you go
We can easily agree that 40b to 50b of pods in lowsec in a single day, from a single group of pilots (dev's) is unheard of and MOST likely the main component behind 'we should remove dev mails/pods from the tally'.
On the other point, whilst many may have gone for the kill dev's to statpad tactic, we didn't, we stuck to our usual mantra of get into the biggest fights, kill the most people, kill the super, have the most fun tactic. |
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