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Kleric	Posted - 2005.10.05 20:53:00 - [61] I would without a doubt looove a big war filled with flettbattles. Burn Edens and Xenobytes guerilla fighting isnt much fun :( .. 99% of what i post is bull**** and in no way represent my corp or alliance
The Hooch	Posted - 2005.10.05 21:01:00 - [62] Originally by: Hastrabull Originally by: Ilmonstre well and these days you also have the problem that most people just blob or that the people you decide to attack will just stay docked or log off and then where is your fight. Thats why im calling everyone! I find simple solution for your problem. Start diplomatic talks with neigbours, find one that will fight! Make simple war rules! Dont attack weak one. Tbh in last year we killed most of weak industrial alliances. now its time for real war. Otherwise we will all die because of boredom and leave that game! im very close to it... You PvP'rs want some excitment? You want so big hairy'a**ed fight? Then then let The Five, BoB, Ascendant, and the other pvp alliances REALLY fight it out and declare on each other. But you will not because that would mean real losses that hurt each other. You would rather call the rest of us cowards than pick a fight with someone that can stand toe to toe with you. Hogwash, you all will never fight each other because its just plain easier to attack weaker opponents and then beat your chest. Put your money where your mouth is for once, and show the rest of us you have the nads to fight eacher. Then ask us to have a galatic war. My two cents Hooch
Everbane	Posted - 2005.10.05 21:09:00 - [63] Originally by: SengH Edited by: SengH on 05/10/2005 20:40:19 The main problem is that all it takes in anchoring lvl 1 to throw up a POS and 50-100 mil isk depending on the size. But it takes a 3-4 billion isk and a couple million skillpoints to take some of them down. Yay for CCP balance. On the subject of balance, you cannot take the stations of pvp alliances who choose to operate out of NPC stations.... If you don't defend the capturable regions then others are free to put up more POS's than you. It works both ways though. You choose to play the capturing regions game - suck it down.
DrunkenOne	Posted - 2005.10.05 21:18:00 - [64] Originally by: The Hooch Then then let The Five, BoB, Ascendant, and the other pvp alliances REALLY fight it out and declare on each other. I love how all the alts are saying that the only pvp alliances are in the south...
Voltron	Posted - 2005.10.05 21:41:00 - [65] Originally by: DrunkenOne Originally by: The Hooch Then then let The Five, BoB, Ascendant, and the other pvp alliances REALLY fight it out and declare on each other. I love how all the alts are saying that the only pvp alliances are in the south... He's a member of vertigo drunk. On another note, I think alot of alliances are confusing "mutual respect for one another" with "mutual fear of one another". /flame on Volt
Nick Curso	Posted - 2005.10.05 21:42:00 - [66] Edited by: Nick Curso on 05/10/2005 21:59:11 I thought G and Iron were PVP alliences also imp? never thought of VOTF as carebears.
Stradivarious	Posted - 2005.10.06 00:06:00 - [67] Originally by: DrunkenOne Originally by: The Hooch Then then let The Five, BoB, Ascendant, and the other pvp alliances REALLY fight it out and declare on each other. I love how all the alts are saying that the only pvp alliances are in the south... Heh yeah hooch is definately not an alt, nor do I think he meant to slight the northern pvp alliances, they're just the ones that hog the forums and are usually under our targeting reticles :p I like to think of myself as the chlorine in the gene pool.
Sorja	Posted - 2005.10.06 00:44:00 - [68] BoB versus 5? Heh, won't happen anytime soon I wouldn't be surprized if more and more people were joining them at the moment, which could turn them into monstruosities that no one can take on. I witnessed that in other games, players like to join the strong, it's the easy way. Garenteed fun, best pilots, fights everywhere and secure space at will (aka napland). Let's face it, how many want to fight, and how many want to win? Answer that, and you have the answer to my first question Kill mails
Creamster	Posted - 2005.10.06 01:02:00 - [69] Originally by: Kleric Burn Edens and Xenobytes guerilla fighting isnt much fun :( .. Perhaps you should try something else other than sitting at ss in 4gq with an equal size force. On a second thought I'll be fine with you ss'ed, just bring somebody, anybody to our whereabouts, am i asking too much from a 2k+ alliance? 2005.09.04:"After the 7 days SE corporations will be removed from the said regions" (Q) XB killboard
Nelson Vandermark	Posted - 2005.10.06 01:20:00 - [70] Well you could always turn on your allies like you did on the REDs and than you will have your war, go after ASCN and capture their Outpost and provoke a war with the hobbits. LolÆingà
Masta Killa	Posted - 2005.10.06 01:48:00 - [71] Wars now (at least the ones I'm seeing in my backyard & front yard) are nothing but ganks where non 3v1 fights are almost unheard of. People always fleeing when there's a chance they could die is the popular craze now; almost everyone's doing it and acting big and I don't like it. -------------------------------------- Hail Stian Allaince and the emperor who can't spell. ;]
The Hooch	Posted - 2005.10.06 02:17:00 - [72] Quote: On another note, I think alot of alliances are confusing "mutual respect for one another" with "mutual fear of one another". As a matter of fact this is not an alt. Most of the time i find these forums a real snore and a soapbox for those who will fight anyone except a foe of equal skill and size. Mutual respect, what a load of horse **it. Both of you lack the will or courage to test yourselves against an equal force in skill and tactics. Your all mouth and no action. The test of your real prowess is proven in battle against a worthy foe and neither of you have even considered such a confrontation. Mutaual respect...I can die now I have heard it all. Your more like puppies in a box falling all over each other. Yawn...what a snore. Hooch
Shin Ra	Posted - 2005.10.06 02:20:00 - [73] Originally by: Kleric I would without a doubt looove a big war filled with flettbattles. Burn Edens and Xenobytes guerilla fighting isnt much fun :( .. We had some great fleet fights up in the "funzone" (G-M). Of course when I say fleet fight I mean 4 of us vs 20 of you. That was awesome. I couldn't believe it when we warped in on top of the reminants of your gang. Even tho that ss bust was 3 (+ FragM's n00b ship) vs 6, it was still considered a gank.
TWD	Posted - 2005.10.06 02:41:00 - [74] Edited by: TWD on 06/10/2005 02:46:00 BoB can't attack Five, and vice versa for the simple reason of territorial control - one side will get overrun by groups we're currently at war with. Now what might be possible is to do one big coordinated effort against either BoB or Five involving multiple alliances, which would be fun (and tough) for everyone involved. I wouldn't mind having NBSI/F-E/PA/IRON/G on our doorstep :o
Voltron	Posted - 2005.10.06 03:31:00 - [75] Originally by: The Hooch Quote: On another note, I think alot of alliances are confusing "mutual respect for one another" with "mutual fear of one another". As a matter of fact this is not an alt. Most of the time i find these forums a real snore and a soapbox for those who will fight anyone except a foe of equal skill and size. Mutual respect, what a load of horse **it. Both of you lack the will or courage to test yourselves against an equal force in skill and tactics. Your all mouth and no action. The test of your real prowess is proven in battle against a worthy foe and neither of you have even considered such a confrontation. Mutaual respect...I can die now I have heard it all. Your more like puppies in a box falling all over each other. Yawn...what a snore. Hooch Errrrrr Im a member of NBSI, we have negative standings with just about every major PVP alliance out there, so we're not afraid to test ourselves versus anything, its a game and we enjoy being hostile with just about everybody. My mutual respect comment was aimed at those alliances who are large and dont fight each other [eg. 5 and BOB], I always hear that they dont fight each other because of "mutual respect", while I personally believe it is mutual fear that keeps the positive standings betweeen them. again /flame on Volt
TWD	Posted - 2005.10.06 03:44:00 - [76] Originally by: Voltron Errrrrr Im a member of NBSI, we have negative standings with just about every major PVP alliance out there, so we're not afraid to test ourselves versus anything, its a game and we enjoy being hostile with just about everybody. Lets see, NBSI is friendly/allied to every single alliance surrounding them. We have quite a few hostiles surrounding us. Since you're 'free' to go wherever you want, you're welcome to 'bring it'
Muthsera	Posted - 2005.10.06 03:50:00 - [77] Originally by: TWD I wouldn't mind having NBSI/F-E/PA/IRON/G on our doorstep :o I'll stick my neck out here and say that neither of these will have the tactical, strategic or quality to do the kind of fighting your reffering to. They're numbers descise some of they're inempt fighting qualities. Whit maybe a small exeption of a few select corps. The issue here I think has to do whit complexity whit doing an effective op whit load of ppl. I often wonder if our main kills are based on taking out the lower quality of the alliances/corps we fight. But I've came to the conclution that some of that might defenetly be true, I think also the fact that very few alliances/corps are willing to commit to a fight where they are not absolutely sure about the outcome, play a huge part in focusing us to take on the kind of ganks we're feared for. So, good quality fights are hard to come by these days. But thats really the problem. Becus tieing those core pvpers togheter that are in an alliance becomes just so much harder when the numbers increase. So making up for that they relie on they're numbers to change the outcome of the fight. And when they are not enough to get that advantage, they are unwilling to commit. Missing a good opertunity to tie the core pvpers better togheter. So the circle starts over. My experiance whit the northern corps so far is that they're far to disorganiced to pose a direct treath to another alliance where numbers never will be the desiding factor. So you can never dominate the oponent. That reason alone will insure a "status quo" over anything else. Nap'ing just about everyone doesn't help either. I got no disillution that BoB or 5 can't be defeated. But I don't think those you mentioned have it in them right now to do it. SoonÖ
Voltron	Posted - 2005.10.06 03:57:00 - [78] Originally by: TWD Originally by: Voltron Errrrrr Im a member of NBSI, we have negative standings with just about every major PVP alliance out there, so we're not afraid to test ourselves versus anything, its a game and we enjoy being hostile with just about everybody. Lets see, NBSI is friendly/allied to every single alliance surrounding them. We have quite a few hostiles surrounding us. Since you're 'free' to go wherever you want, you're welcome to 'bring it' Yup quite true, we are friendly with our neighbours, never said we weren't, and Im 100% sure we'll be seeing each other one way or another soon.....I've already prepped myself for the local chat lol. Volt
Muthsera	Posted - 2005.10.06 04:08:00 - [79] Originally by: Sorja I witnessed that in other games, players like to join the strong, it's the easy way. Garenteed fun, best pilots, fights everywhere and secure space at will (aka napland). Do you want me to make a list of good pvp pilots who ain't in those two? But your somewhat right. It is a problem that many of the good pilots dull themself in to that existance. Personally I think most of the best fighters now are mercs. Becus of the nature of fighting they do. I also think. If not kia had so much internal problems. They whould have done some real damage in that contract. But thats pure speculation. Things happend for a reason. SoonÖ
Stormfront	Posted - 2005.10.06 04:31:00 - [80] Too many people whine/pray that the BOB/5 fight each other. Its funny to read.
DrunkenOne	Posted - 2005.10.06 05:34:00 - [81] Edited by: DrunkenOne on 06/10/2005 05:34:12 Originally by: Sorja I wouldn't be surprized if more and more people were joining them at the moment, which could turn them into monstruosities that no one can take on. 100% true. Look at your own leader of alliance, he joined BoB. A good chunk of KIA joined BoB. I wouldn't be surprised of SAS join BoB. Every time a good pvp corp collapses for whatever reason, it seems instead of doing their own ****, they join BoB. When DIE collapses again, as it inevitably will (since it has like 5 times already), I bet most of its members join BoB.
nitr0s	Posted - 2005.10.06 06:17:00 - [82] Originally by: DrunkenOne Edited by: DrunkenOne on 06/10/2005 05:34:12 Originally by: Sorja I wouldn't be surprized if more and more people were joining them at the moment, which could turn them into monstruosities that no one can take on. 100% true. Look at your own leader of alliance, he joined BoB. A good chunk of KIA joined BoB. I wouldn't be surprised of SAS join BoB. Every time a good pvp corp collapses for whatever reason, it seems instead of doing their own ****, they join BoB. When DIE collapses again, as it inevitably will (since it has like 5 times already), I bet most of its members join BoB. Think Krom MK5 will do so as well?
Stormfront	Posted - 2005.10.06 07:19:00 - [83] A good chunk of these folks joined BOB because they have had friends/interactions with BOB over long periods of time. Besides, IRON seem to be doing rather well, doubt he joined BOB to run from a sinking ship.. more like he went where he wanted to for other reasons.
Darcuese	Posted - 2005.10.06 07:30:00 - [84] So many shallow words in this thread. Jesus. Some more creativity would be apreciated. Other wise dont post anymore couse its SO, SO, SO obvious what you gonna say...and im losing time when i see long post thinking...."maybe there is something interesting to read..damn..deja vue"
Hastrabull	Posted - 2005.10.06 09:34:00 - [85] Originally by: Darcuese So many shallow words in this thread. Jesus. Some more creativity would be apreciated. Other wise dont post anymore couse its SO, SO, SO obvious what you gonna say...and im losing time when i see long post thinking...."maybe there is something interesting to read..damn..deja vue" fully agree here. :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
Kleric	Posted - 2005.10.06 15:12:00 - [86] Originally by: Creamster Originally by: Kleric Burn Edens and Xenobytes guerilla fighting isnt much fun :( .. Perhaps you should try something else other than sitting at ss in 4gq with an equal size force. On a second thought I'll be fine with you ss'ed, just bring somebody, anybody to our whereabouts, am i asking too much from a 2k+ alliance? So your saying you dont fight guerilla wars? .... BTW i havnt visited 4gq in over a year. 99% of what i post is bull**** and in no way represent my corp or alliance
Metal Dude	Posted - 2005.10.06 15:33:00 - [87] Edited by: Metal Dude on 06/10/2005 15:33:54 Originally by: Nelson Vandermark Well you could always turn on your allies like you did on the REDs and than you will have your war, go after ASCN and capture their Outpost and provoke a war with the hobbits. LolÆingà Maybe if you knew what you were talking about, you would have known that RED turned on us with their members in RAT attacking us, not the other way around. Oh wait. RAT and RA have nothing to do with each other. ThatÆs right. I forgot. My bad. The truth will set you free * Proud to be ATUK *
Omeega	Posted - 2005.10.06 15:39:00 - [88] Originally by: Metal Dude Edited by: Metal Dude on 06/10/2005 15:33:54 Originally by: Nelson Vandermark Well you could always turn on your allies like you did on the REDs and than you will have your war, go after ASCN and capture their Outpost and provoke a war with the hobbits. LolÆingà Maybe if you knew what you were talking about, you would have known that RED turned on us with their members in RAT attacking us, not the other way around. Oh wait. RAT and RA have nothing to do with each other. ThatÆs right. I forgot. My bad. It's ok. You seemed to have understood now. 9/10, can do better! Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
The Hooch	Posted - 2005.10.06 15:47:00 - [89] Originally by: Stormfront Too many people whine/pray that the BOB/5 fight each other. Its funny to read. Personally I could give a fat rat's ss if BoB, The 5 or whoever of the major PvP alliances ever fight each other. I make the point that they don't, and then **** about not having a good fight on their hands. Then suggesting that the game they like to play is dieing and they might begin to lose players if things don't pick up. When the simple fact would be to attack another major PvP group and then they would have the fight/s they want. Truth is, if they ever did have a dust up and one side began to break apart, the winning side would not be able to hold back and not totally crush the side that was losing and preserve them for another fight on another day. They prey only on the weak or less PvP oriented players and organizations. They say "they have over 2000 players surely they could make a good fight and defend themselves", as they ignore the fact that many of those numbers are greatly inflated and only a handful of those accounts get played actively. Please just say it plain and clear, WE DON'T TAKE ON ANYONE OF EQUAL OR GREATER SKILL. At least you would have the respect afforded for being honest. Hooch
Stormfront	Posted - 2005.10.06 16:18:00 - [90] Quote: Personally I could give a fat rat's ss if BoB, The 5 or whoever of the major PvP alliances ever fight each other. I make the point that they don't, and then **** about not having a good fight on their hands. Then suggesting that the game they like to play is dieing and they might begin to lose players if things don't pick up. When the simple fact would be to attack another major PvP group and then they would have the fight/s they want. Truth is, if they ever did have a dust up and one side began to break apart, the winning side would not be able to hold back and not totally crush the side that was losing and preserve them for another fight on another day. They prey only on the weak or less PvP oriented players and organizations. They say "they have over 2000 players surely they could make a good fight and defend themselves", as they ignore the fact that many of those numbers are greatly inflated and only a handful of those accounts get played actively. Please just say it plain and clear, WE DON'T TAKE ON ANYONE OF EQUAL OR GREATER SKILL. At least you would have the respect afforded for being honest. Hooch You seem to be hurting... All this anger.

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