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Ankanos
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Posted - 2005.10.11 13:11:00 -
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 Originally by: taken from the interview
3. Would you please comment on WOW? The readers would like to know your perspective on this strong competitor.
We donÆt really regard WoW as a competitor. WoW has done wonderful things for the MMORPG market as a whole, bringing many new players to the genre. Sure WoW has pulled players from other games, this has not been the case with EVE. EVE and WoW are different enough to exist on the same market without affecting each other too much. The past 2-3 months we have been getting a lot of players which tried WoW when it was released in US and Europe and are now looking for something different, deeper, and more challenging. So WoW is really an excellent training ground for future EVE players.
rofl.. kudos to CCP Hilmar or whoever worded the responses..you guys have got to be the best "innuendoistic" PR guys around..if that wasn't the best slam on WoW, i don't know what was.. essentially saying:
"WoW is nothing more than training wheels for your brandy new mmorg bicycle. when your ready to leave the driveway and start blazing your own trails in a real mmorg world, step up to the plate, toss your training wheels aside and hop on to the best mmorg mountain bike money can buy." -and blaze your own trail up Eve mountain..
gotta love it.. :)
the mear suggestion that you are working on a dedicated cluster china should also fuel a TQ subscription frenzy with all the madcap chinese players wanting to get the best jump on the competition they can. i think it plays esp well with the asian tradition of long term vision. i'm sure there are many chinese loyalists that are foaming at the mouth that maybe one day, they will have to the opportunity to kick some western butt with the possibility of merging east to west game servers.. (i'm sure the same goes for us.)
very well played..
i'd probably become a full time pvp'r just to help fill the demand of killing off the inevitable onslaught of macrominers alone.. ;p
although i think the merging of the 2 servers would be game breaker for Eve and all of us on TQ due to their accepted ebay/macro ways and the ineveitable distraction of the "Us vs Them" attitude and wars, it would be grand. -but if you could pull it off..
I'm sure there would be some social economists or whatever the people who
salivate over human behavour are called, who would be aching to pour all over the social/growth/whatever data a merger such as this would create. i know i'd like to be a fly on a wall observing it all..
-odd thought.. i bet bookies would even start taking bets on the outcome of
east/west wars..what a can of worms that would be.. lol
I think it would take this huge social experiment called Eve-Online to the next level.. would be very intriguing to say the least.
my 2ó
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Khaldorn Murino
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Posted - 2005.10.11 15:01:00 -
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So the Chinese server is basically intended to be a shard of the EVE server?
Will it be the same storyline etc? (sheerly from an RP point of view)
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Harry Voyager
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Posted - 2005.10.11 17:26:00 -
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I think the best idea really would be for the Chinese server to be a completely different galaxy, with different races and different story lines.
Accelerated growth can be accomplished easily, without resorting to giving characters a higher sp accumulation rate. Simply releasing Advanced Learning skills early, and having a high implant drop rate for the first year or two would allow the Chinese players to quickly get up to Tranq states, without giving them undue advantage if a unification were to occure. Enriching the mineral content of Empire space early on would also improve their rate of infrastructue advancement, without causing major problems. Once they start reaching Tranquility levels, the Empire minerals and implant drop rates can be curtailed using storylines, bringing them back down to the economic potential of Tranquility.
A merger would also be contemplatable, if the two galaxies converged on rules and regulations. I.e. E-baying becomes acceptable in the West, or it becomes unacceptable in the East. Clearly the two cultures currently diverge on such issues, but that may not always be the case! Right now, we can't merge them, but I say leave the option open.
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Kerby Lane
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Posted - 2005.10.11 18:44:00 -
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Is CCP going to implement grind-training system in China shard ?
Whats about instanse dungeons ?
If this 2 features will be implemented iw will be interesting
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Corb
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Posted - 2005.10.11 21:29:00 -
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The Eve universe is infested with enough Macro miners/Virtual farmers. Now you guys are opening a whole new door to further ruin the game that I've come to enjoy for the past year or so.
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Arnt
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Posted - 2005.10.11 21:58:00 -
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Edited by: Arnt on 11/10/2005 22:07:52
Merging an asian cluster with a mostly euro/Us cluster?
Does CCP already have a solution for the problems of racism that occured in every other game that tried this?
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Shinoobie
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Posted - 2005.10.11 23:26:00 -
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I really fail to see one of the points made by CCP in regards to the accelerated growth on the new server.
Whats the point?
One of the good things in EVE is the current rate of growth, I think its one of the things CCP has hit the nail on the head with. Your skill learning coincides with the rate you learn the game mechanics.
I foresee no real advantage in giving the Chinese players this accelerated growth if only for 1 thing. TO BRING IT IN LINE WITH TRANQ SERVER. Whats the point of this, seeing as the two are supposed seperate worlds? IF you acceralte the growth for this reason, then it is a shard of our current game world and all rules should be universal, whatever they may be.
It is the natural branch for CCP to take, after all it is a business to make money, but at the end of the day, the way that interview went, it undermines all we have played and payed for in the past 3 years.
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Nick Curso
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Posted - 2005.10.12 16:12:00 -
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It may have been answered alrdy but im too lazy to read 5 pages to find it. If the training will be speeded up on the chineese shard what will be the benifit for noew players joining TQ? will they still have the 2/3 year gap between the older players with no hope of catching up, and even be at more of a disadvantage when the chinese shard is merged with tq and they evenen tho theyve been playing the same amount of time have the equivalent oof a 2 year gap on the tq player. To me it just doesnt seem very fair.
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Hellspawn01
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Posted - 2005.10.12 20:59:00 -
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Originally by: Sherkaner
Congratulations, you found the quote button, now if you manage to type some text of your own, you'll have a complete forum post 
And you call yourself a forum mod? You should be ashamed of yourself.
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Kage Getsu
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Posted - 2005.10.12 21:56:00 -
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At least you won't be able to read their smacktalk when you beat them down.
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Muthsera
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Posted - 2005.10.12 22:59:00 -
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Most ppl sertainly know the attitude diffrence between chinese and western servers. This is know to any game designer that operate in bought regions. I don't think it whould be prefrable for either to have them linked. And I don't think it will work out as smoothly as you might hope. But I know also that china can suprice the rest of the community. How they got one contry, two systems to work only god knows. So it can sertainly be done. What I'm more worried about is the time diffrence in skilltraining. I don't think thats a good way to go. I feel that is unjust to those fans who stayed whit eve for a long time, not so much the east west bit. But I've played for a long time. And I know I worked for my skillpoints. I whould not be pleased to see a person flying a dread after a year ingame when we eventually merge the servers.
But how do you think a chinese person will handle that a western pilot comes into their corp and steal everything they got? You think that will be taken up kindly? Western ppl react badly to it. But chinese see it as totally depremental for the game. This is what I mean about diffrent attitudes. Greater conflic than you can handle could come out of that. I'm also somewhat worried about proffesional miners/produsers/etc. That is not something the games need. And it will be depremental to the fan base.
If you can deal whit those three problems. I think it can be done. But I don't personally think that is achivable and it whould be better left alone. And be two servers. I don't know if we're ready for it or that chinese will be.
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Slithereen
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Posted - 2005.10.13 05:27:00 -
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On the proposed China server I get an impression that CCP is planning totally different races from Amarr, Gallente, Minmatar and Caldari. The "lost" races of humanity that splintered from EVE. These races are distinct from EVE, with their own ship designs, technologies, tech trees, skills, and so on, modified perhaps to meet the needs of the new market in a totally top to bottom content redesign.
While the new "lost" races of humanity would exist and develop seperately from the races of TQ, they do not exist in a parallel or sharded universe. They simply exist in another part of the galaxy in the same temporal timeline and dimension as the TQ universe, except both have not discovered each other yet and have no knowledge of each other's existance. It is even possible that this new cluster may only have two or even one massive race, with splinter factions and bloodlines inside it.
Then eventually, along CCP's own pace and timeline, the meta-story would evolve that the EVE TQ races would discover the existance of the lost races. Perhaps through a wormhole or wormholes that would interconnect one part of the galaxy with another. The result would be a clash of civilizations.
The story reminds me a bit of Star Trek where the "known" races are those that live in the Alpha and Beta Quadrants, not knowing the existance of the Gamma and Delta Quadrant races. Then wham, comes the Dominion and the Jem'Hadar from the Gamma Quadrant, and the Borg from the Delta Quadrant, and everyone is fighting for their very survival.
TQ player cannot log on to the Shanghai cluster (that's where I am assuming the server would be at) and the Shanghai cluster players cannot log on to the TQ servers. However a bridge will be formed between the two servers so that players from one server can enter another to explore and fight. This could be through a network of wormholes and supergates (like in Deep Space 9).
After all, EVE is PvP and one shard oriented, and this is the only way I can think that is possible for CCP.
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Siren Shiva
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Posted - 2005.10.13 07:44:00 -
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Edited by: Siren Shiva on 13/10/2005 07:48:39
On the subject of legalizing purchases and sales of ISK / ingame items for real cash:
NO. Just NO. Here's why:
In a game like WoW, buying uber leet end gear equipment for your character will affect only that, your character and your own game experience.
In Eve, from my understanding, someone could shell out 5000$ and do all the necessary investments to completely dominate part of the supposedly player-driven market. In the first week after creating a character, without actually playing the game. Those investments would probably return enough ISK to earn say hmmm, 1000$ a month for doing nothing. They could hire employees to handle their market operations and everything. They could also own their personal merc corp to pwn smaller corps they dont like endlessly, due to a neverending ISK flow.
Trust me, it would suck to be the little guy who actually bothers playing the game.
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Harkus
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Posted - 2005.10.13 12:06:00 -
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Copied and pasted from another thread:
The chinese play these MMORPG games in a very different manner than we do. I currently live in Taiwan and have been for the past 3 years. From what I have seen here, I firmly believe that if the chinese server is joined with TQ, TQ players will leave the game. Macros, Ebaying, etc. are all considered normal gameplay by the chinese.
That's just the tip of the iceberg though. There are lots of "gang" members that play the MMORPGs here in Taiwan. In the past year, I have seen news bits detailing players being extorted (in RL), beaten up, and even killed because of something that happened in the game. Imagine ganking someone then a couple days later, a group of a dozen guys with baseball bats and machete knives showing up at your door. Lineage 2 is a game that people take very seriously here. With the possibility of Ebaying game items, game money, etc., there are lots of people that make their living off the game. A recent article in the local newspaper had an interview with some Lineage 2 players. Most of them were making an average of 3000 pounds per month Ebaying game items. They also mentioned how the competition is fierce and how sometimes it comes down to blows in real life. 
Just some thoughts from someone who has seen it up close.
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BackWard
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Posted - 2005.10.13 12:27:00 -
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oh no they're comming to get us ..... run
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Slithereen
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Posted - 2005.10.13 12:34:00 -
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Quote:
In the past year, I have seen news bits detailing players being extorted (in RL), beaten up, and even killed because of something that happened in the game. Imagine ganking someone then a couple days later, a group of a dozen guys with baseball bats and machete knives showing up at your door.
Wow, some people sure have their own idea of "PvP" and "player interaction".
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"Hope is wasted on the Hopeless."---Mandy, The Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy.
"Stars are holes in the sky from which the light of the Infinite shine through."---Confucius.
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Nero Scuro
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Posted - 2005.10.13 13:38:00 -
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Originally by: Siren Shiva
Edited by: Siren Shiva on 13/10/2005 07:48:39
On the subject of legalizing purchases and sales of ISK / ingame items for real cash:
NO. Just NO. Here's why:
In a game like WoW, buying uber leet end gear equipment for your character will affect only that, your character and your own game experience.
In Eve, from my understanding, someone could shell out 5000$ and do all the necessary investments to completely dominate part of the supposedly player-driven market. In the first week after creating a character, without actually playing the game. Those investments would probably return enough ISK to earn say hmmm, 1000$ a month for doing nothing. They could hire employees to handle their market operations and everything. They could also own their personal merc corp to pwn smaller corps they dont like endlessly, due to a neverending ISK flow.
Trust me, it would suck to be the little guy who actually bothers playing the game.
This post was brought to you by my buddy Mr. Common Sense.
These players provide both a service and a dis-service to the community. Online gamers cover a VERY diverse cross section of the RL world. Many players like to play games but donÆt like to start with nothing. So they hit ebay and buy their way in. I donÆt see anything wrong with this. I see even less wrong with it if the buyer is a long time player just looking to expand their in game professions without having to start a new account from scratch. I do have a problem with players that purchase accounts and items that are uber and then get upset when they loose them due to lack of experience.
I think EVERY online gaming Corporation should allow the selling of accounts on Ebay and other auction sites. I do however think that selling of items & currency should be 100% prohibited and a Banable offense. It should be the #1 rule in the EULA.
And before someone says something, yes I have purchased items from ebay. But I have never done so before having earned said items in game first. I enjoy the challenge of earning things on my own.
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KIAHicks
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Posted - 2005.10.13 13:46:00 -
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Edited by: KIAHicks on 13/10/2005 13:49:20
Giving China their own initially isolated servers if it gets lots of people into playing eve is a good thing. However only if that server later joins with tranquility thus perhaps doubling (or more) the size of eve overall .
I'm 100% against accelerated skill training if the servers were ever to be joined. This just woulnd't be fair to any new western subscriber and we all have read the arguements against giving increased training time to western subscribers.
I am however in favour of the china servers receiving all the new features such as pos's, dreadnaughts, tech 2 etc in a much quicker fashion than we did.
Hopefully the net result been a year or two down the line a massive china player base with characters that do not out skillpoint any characters started at the same time on the London server. But with similar items, ships etc ready to be merged into a much larger eve world. However that is done, be it the finding of new wormholes or jump gates allowing travel between the two galaxys (maybe placing these only in 0.0 areas :P)
The only things I would really hate to see would be a china only server that will remain a china only server. That would in remove eves claim to one world. If I read about an ebil chineese corp or a great anti pirate corp I want to be able to fight with or against these corps not sit back and thing well thats nice but we'll never meet.
I'm also against any new players getting increased skill training times on either server group especially if the two worlds will later meet.
I also think allowing the sales of items will be a bad thing. Getting your corp assests stripped will now have taken not an ingame item but real money that your corp members may have put into the game, it will end up resulting in legal situations. Also it would mean merging the two servers would be a terrible idea when one section of subscribers are allowed to sell items and the other section cannot.
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Ly'sol
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Posted - 2005.10.13 16:58:00 -
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Edited by: Ly''sol on 13/10/2005 17:02:17
The amount of sheer xenophobia I see here is kinda alarming.
I do agree with Hicks...
If anything gets accelerated to catch up with us. It has got to be in the exact same relative updates we got.
So china-server will get gemini/castor/shiva/kali updates and improvements at the same relative rate. Only difference then would be is that for a time period they will be advancing faster to catch up, and as a bonus they wont have all the screwy bugs in the game throughout the expansions.
But you all really got to remember,
You flipping out on simple hear say.
RELAX.
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SengH
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Posted - 2005.10.13 16:59:00 -
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Originally by: Ly'sol
The amount of sheer xenophobia I see here is kinda alarming.
its not xenophobia... its CCP giving the ok to 1 server to do the things that are banned on this server ... then proposing to merge them. Thats what has people up in arms
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Bhaal
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Posted - 2005.10.13 17:01:00 -
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Originally by: Nero Scuro
Originally by: Siren Shiva
Edited by: Siren Shiva on 13/10/2005 07:48:39
On the subject of legalizing purchases and sales of ISK / ingame items for real cash:
NO. Just NO. Here's why:
In a game like WoW, buying uber leet end gear equipment for your character will affect only that, your character and your own game experience.
In Eve, from my understanding, someone could shell out 5000$ and do all the necessary investments to completely dominate part of the supposedly player-driven market. In the first week after creating a character, without actually playing the game. Those investments would probably return enough ISK to earn say hmmm, 1000$ a month for doing nothing. They could hire employees to handle their market operations and everything. They could also own their personal merc corp to pwn smaller corps they dont like endlessly, due to a neverending ISK flow.
Trust me, it would suck to be the little guy who actually bothers playing the game.
This post was brought to you by my buddy Mr. Common Sense.
These players provide both a service and a dis-service to the community. Online gamers cover a VERY diverse cross section of the RL world. Many players like to play games but donÆt like to start with nothing. So they hit ebay and buy their way in. I donÆt see anything wrong with this. I see even less wrong with it if the buyer is a long time player just looking to expand their in game professions without having to start a new account from scratch. I do have a problem with players that purchase accounts and items that are uber and then get upset when they loose them due to lack of experience.
I think EVERY online gaming Corporation should allow the selling of accounts on Ebay and other auction sites. I do however think that selling of items & currency should be 100% prohibited and a Banable offense. It should be the #1 rule in the EULA.
And before someone says something, yes I have purchased items from ebay. But I have never done so before having earned said items in game first. I enjoy the challenge of earning things on my own.
IMO you should be banned from the game for buying from eBay.
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Ly'sol
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Posted - 2005.10.13 17:13:00 -
[172]
Originally by: SengH
Originally by: Ly'sol
The amount of sheer xenophobia I see here is kinda alarming.
its not xenophobia... its CCP giving the ok to 1 server to do the things that are banned on this server ... then proposing to merge them. Thats what has people up in arms
It is xenophobic when people make sweeping generalizations about a culture. Hell it is an "alien" culture and people have set sterotypes about them.
Kisses to Eris to what im about to say
Its like the Whites being all uptight about the Blacks going to thier schools in the 60's in the US. Eve is predominately play by Euros and yanks. And it has been basically segregated, now the hint of the possiblity of opening to new markets. Peoples prejudices are starting to show.
As far as Ebaying. its only a part of the problem. EBAYing is already wide spread in the game, its a trival issue because people are being predjudice. CCP has two options, block it out and make it understood to thier new market "Games are for having fun not making money." Or setup thier own service to allow it and they profit from it.
Again this is so far out its crazy. People need to just calm down and relax.
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Nero Scuro
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Posted - 2005.10.13 17:13:00 -
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Originally by: Bhaal
Originally by: Nero Scuro
Originally by: Siren Shiva
Edited by: Siren Shiva on 13/10/2005 07:48:39
On the subject of legalizing purchases and sales of ISK / ingame items for real cash:
NO. Just NO. Here's why:
In a game like WoW, buying uber leet end gear equipment for your character will affect only that, your character and your own game experience.
In Eve, from my understanding, someone could shell out 5000$ and do all the necessary investments to completely dominate part of the supposedly player-driven market. In the first week after creating a character, without actually playing the game. Those investments would probably return enough ISK to earn say hmmm, 1000$ a month for doing nothing. They could hire employees to handle their market operations and everything. They could also own their personal merc corp to pwn smaller corps they dont like endlessly, due to a neverending ISK flow.
Trust me, it would suck to be the little guy who actually bothers playing the game.
This post was brought to you by my buddy Mr. Common Sense.
These players provide both a service and a dis-service to the community. Online gamers cover a VERY diverse cross section of the RL world. Many players like to play games but donÆt like to start with nothing. So they hit ebay and buy their way in. I donÆt see anything wrong with this. I see even less wrong with it if the buyer is a long time player just looking to expand their in game professions without having to start a new account from scratch. I do have a problem with players that purchase accounts and items that are uber and then get upset when they loose them due to lack of experience.
I think EVERY online gaming Corporation should allow the selling of accounts on Ebay and other auction sites. I do however think that selling of items & currency should be 100% prohibited and a Banable offense. It should be the #1 rule in the EULA.
And before someone says something, yes I have purchased items from ebay. But I have never done so before having earned said items in game first. I enjoy the challenge of earning things on my own.
IMO you should be banned from the game for buying from eBay.
Oh really?
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SengH
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Posted - 2005.10.13 17:34:00 -
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Before you accuse people of xenophobia. I personally am asian and I have lived in asia for 6 years. So stop before you keep making yourself look more retarded.
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kcahn
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Posted - 2005.10.13 18:26:00 -
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Originally by: Slithereen
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After all, EVE is PvP and one shard oriented, and this is the only way I can think that is possible for CCP.
eve is a MMORPG, EVE is not and has never been a PVP only game.
tell me how mining is pvp
tell me how buying is pvp
tell me how refining is pvp
pvp = shooting other players and they fight back or try to run away
mmorpg = role playing game with many aspects, one of which is PVP (gee imagine that)
now anyone that hasn't shoved their head into a dark stinky hole, can see which eve is.
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SengH
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Posted - 2005.10.13 18:29:00 -
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Originally by: kcahn
tell me how mining is pvp
tell me how buying is pvp
tell me how refining is pvp
pvp = shooting other players and they fight back or try to run away
mmorpg = role playing game with many aspects, one of which is PVP (gee imagine that)
now anyone that hasn't shoved their head into a dark stinky hole, can see which eve is.
mining = you sell your mins on the open market your competing with other players who might sell for less. PVP .
buying = sellers are competing for your money. PVP
refining = person who has a higher refining skill has more to put on the market. Your directly competing against him. PVP
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The GoldenRatio
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Posted - 2005.10.13 18:34:00 -
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Originally by: SengH
Edited by: SengH on 13/10/2005 17:44:31
Before you accuse people of xenophobia. I personally am asian and I have lived in asia for 6 years. So stop before you keep making yourself look more retarded.
Edit: I of all the asian mmorpg players I know in RL. None of them would buy anything off ebay. I know of 1 person in RL who sold his E&B account for a grand though.
What is your specific nationality? Where in asia did/do you live? If you dont live there now, when did you live there? Are bot hyuor parents asian? Do you speak an asian langauge? Fluently or just a few words here and there?
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SengH
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Posted - 2005.10.13 18:40:00 -
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Originally by: The GoldenRatio
Originally by: SengH
Edited by: SengH on 13/10/2005 17:44:31
Before you accuse people of xenophobia. I personally am asian and I have lived in asia for 6 years. So stop before you keep making yourself look more retarded.
Edit: I of all the asian mmorpg players I know in RL. None of them would buy anything off ebay. I know of 1 person in RL who sold his E&B account for a grand though.
What is your specific nationality? Where in asia did/do you live? If you dont live there now, when did you live there? Are bot hyuor parents asian? Do you speak an asian langauge? Fluently or just a few words here and there?
I can speak and write Chinese fluently (know 2 dialects in addition). I studied in a public asian school for 6 years.
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Ly'sol
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Posted - 2005.10.13 19:56:00 -
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Originally by: SengH
Edited by: SengH on 13/10/2005 17:44:31
Before you accuse people of xenophobia. I personally am asian and I have lived in asia for 6 years. So stop before you keep making yourself look more retarded.
Edit: I of all the asian mmorpg players I know in RL. None of them would buy anything off ebay. I know of 1 person in RL who sold his E&B account for a grand though.
SengH,
Congradulations...Im a pacific islander. I speak three different languages and can read five including Mandrin. Are we equal now?
NO WHERE did I accuse you of being a xenophobe. And NO where did I make sweeping generalisations about asians. Your venting on me about the general sentiment of this thread and Im on your side!
Hell I think I may have even talked to you a few times before as well. Wanna keep flaming me when we are agreeing on the same damn thing?
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Chade Malloy
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Posted - 2005.10.13 23:40:00 -
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Fine. Build up another Eve server "on the other side of the globe", spread the love.
Maybe give it some mechanisms for accellerated "growth", (this hasn¦t neccessarily be an increased skillpoint generation).
However, don¦t even try to link up those two different universes after a few years have passed, it would lead to total economic chaos in the best case, and don¦t even dare to speak of massive fleet battles, we are still waiting for these here without half of the fleets being lagged to death.
And if you ever come up with something like "Sorry, we cant implement this <insert new feature here> because we are sooo busy firing up this new cluster" you will lose the trust of the whole community along with a few subscribers. 
Since this would be kinda equal to "We care less for you now since we are interested in the big money of a new market, btw thx for being stupid enough to support us all the way here"
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