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The GoldenRatio	Posted - 2005.10.06 20:06:00 - [61] Originally by: Einheriar Ulrich ...you can only play online games for 3 hours a day... If you read the rules closely, you see that its 3 hours, and then a 5 hour break, then 3 hours again. If you optimized your daily schedule, you could play for 9 hours a day if I understand correctly. The GoldenRatio > All.
Dionysus Davinci	Posted - 2005.10.06 20:10:00 - [62] CCP, More like CCCP am I right? Quote: China to the moon in 2012!
Nero Scuro	Posted - 2005.10.06 20:12:00 - [63] Originally by: Dionysus Davinci CCP, More like CCCP am I right? Quote: China to the moon in 2012! Nope, it's CCP. Look, CCP. CCP. Not CCCP. CCP. _________
Reiisha	Posted - 2005.10.06 20:23:00 - [64] Originally by: Nero Scuro Originally by: ChironV STOP. FLIPPING. OUT. IF <-- big if there. they ever do merge, imagine the huge number of macro miners this would open up to us as targets!! Imagine if huge numbers of chinese with shiny new mods and ships they "bought" on "eve-bay" start appearing. Of course they have no real playing skills and are quickly ganked because they have no idea HOW to efficently use the uber mods they bought. The china servers would suffer far more as a flood of experienced PvP players flooded into thier servers from the western servers. It would be like throwing a pack of wolves into a sheep pen. Bloody mess. I dont see a merge happening. It would not be fair to them. That's sort of the point. It would ruin our player-run economy, flooding it with cash-bought mods. The fact that they'd pwn with their uber-mods isn't the real issue. Look at the bigger picture. Everything in their economy has to be earnt first to be sold on ebay or whatever - it isn't like stuff will appear from nothing if you buy it with RL money, it has to be found/made/earned ingame first. Also, i think that if the clusters would ever merge, the chinese will have tremendous problems with fending the rest off. I think that western players are a LOT more competitive than the chinese will ever be - and our hardcore pvp groups will have quite an edge over the chinese/asian pve style of play. I think it will be more of a disadvantage to THEM if they join clusters. The allure of thousands of fresh targets is something that's unresistable to many of the current players.... If you know what i mean. And if people are wondering about 'how ruthlessly efficient' asian players are - those are south-koreans, 90%. And the ones that want to play EVE already do. So no worries :P That being said - i'd still oppose a merge of servers later on. It just isn't right. Save Darwinia!
Winterblink	Posted - 2005.10.06 20:33:00 - [65] If it's a Chinese cluster that only Chinese players are going to play on and it won't affect the game I play, then I don't care if they can insta-level to 30 million skillpoints at the touch of a button or have isk-generating modules. IT. DOESN'T. AFFECT. US. winterblink warp drive active.http://winterblink.com/wda nature vraie.http://winterblink.com/env
Einheriar Ulrich	Posted - 2005.10.06 21:11:00 - [66] Originally by: Nero Scuro Quote: No chinese court would take a case like this......... For the last time, they already have. Originally by: Bhaal I hope CCP just makes a different EVE for them... And never merges the two servers... While I'd prefer to seperate but identical servers that are later merged (because two linked universes is just cool), I'd have to agree with this IF CCP does make the Chinese server drastically different. To my knowledge, they tried a mudercase, which is not a civil court case, where someone has lost digital items in a game, its a HUGE difference. So Say I. Einheriar Ulrich of the Bloodline of Einheriar. **Minion Of VOTF**
Sherkaner	Posted - 2005.10.06 21:29:00 - [67] Originally by: Einheriar Ulrich To my knowledge, they tried a mudercase, which is not a civil court case, where someone has lost digital items in a game, its a HUGE difference. Okay, stop that line of discussion now, please. I will leave the posts in, but discussion of the legal system in China is too close to political discussion to let this go on here, and it will lead to nothing anyway - as Winterblink said, it does not concern any of us since the game worlds are completely separate. All future posts about legal issues and court cases will be removed, as well as all attempts at discussing forum moderation. If you want to reply to my post, please mail to [email protected]. forum rules \| [email protected]
The GoldenRatio	Posted - 2005.10.06 21:31:00 - [68] Originally by: Reiisha Also, i think that if the clusters would ever merge, the chinese will have tremendous problems with fending the rest off. I think that western players are a LOT more competitive than the chinese will ever be - and our hardcore pvp groups will have quite an edge over the chinese/asian pve style of play. I think it will be more of a disadvantage to THEM if they join clusters. The allure of thousands of fresh targets is something that's unresistable to many of the current players.... If you know what i mean. I nearly fell over in my chair when you said this. If the 2 galaxies merge, China will pwn all of America and Europe combined. Period. Theyt are CRAZY WILD gamers. They find a billion secrets and tactics you never thought of. They are vastly numerous and extremely skillfull. Chinese. Yes, Chinese. The GoldenRatio > All.
Nero Scuro	Posted - 2005.10.06 22:02:00 - [69] Originally by: Sherkaner Originally by: Einheriar Ulrich To my knowledge, they tried a mudercase, which is not a civil court case, where someone has lost digital items in a game, its a HUGE difference. Okay, stop that line of discussion now, please. I will leave the posts in, but discussion of the legal system in China is too close to political discussion to let this go on here, and it will lead to nothing anyway - as Winterblink said, it does not concern any of us since the game worlds are completely separate. And as for the CEO of CCP saying that they might merge the two servers? Any official response going to be given on that, or what? _________

Eris Discordia	Posted - 2005.10.06 22:26:00 - [70] I'll bring the thread under the attention of those who know. Can't do more then that. I heart all, some more then others though.

Tekka	Posted - 2005.10.06 23:49:00 - [71] Originally by: Discorporation Quote: Then we would give the Chinese world about 1-2 years to catch up, in an accelerated fashion. Then once the London cluster and the China cluster are about equal in techlevels and player infrastructure, we would possibly merge the clusters and open up the possibility for massive fleet combat¦s and cross world trading No. This'll cost you my sub. Likewise. »»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»
Blind Man	Posted - 2005.10.07 00:11:00 - [72] Edited by: Blind Man on 07/10/2005 00:11:31 No. Extra. Targets???!... Please..No... ... ...
DarkStar251	Posted - 2005.10.07 01:20:00 - [73] Originally by: Tekka Originally by: Discorporation Quote: Then we would give the Chinese world about 1-2 years to catch up, in an accelerated fashion. Then once the London cluster and the China cluster are about equal in techlevels and player infrastructure, we would possibly merge the clusters and open up the possibility for massive fleet combat¦s and cross world trading No. This'll cost you my sub. Likewise. And mine. Originally by: Winterblink If it's a Chinese cluster that only Chinese players are going to play on and it won't affect the game I play, then I don't care if they can insta-level to 30 million skillpoints at the touch of a button or have isk-generating modules. IT. DOESN'T. AFFECT. US. By that token, who cares if a macror makes 1 billion isk a minute not being at his pc? it doesnt affect me or make me have less isk. No I think not. The biggest problem I see is one of priorities. CCP then have to develop 2 servers in parrallel. To start with I cant see them having 2 separate dev teams, and we are going to loose dev time ot them working on the Chinese server. Then if the code bases meet each other eventually, and they release a new patch, the aforementioned client differences (one has to modify your skills if you play too long, one is completely in a radically different language etc) will as far as I see definately not cause less bugs in deployment. If I ever saw a news Item saying 'chinese server died last night, diverted some of TQs resources to get it up and running again' I'd quit. If its run on behalf of CCP by 'CCP China' or whatever, and there is no access to the server from outside china whatsoever, (their national firewall may do this anyway) then I'll accept it. (\_/) (O.o) (> <)
Shamis Orzoz	Posted - 2005.10.07 01:59:00 - [74] My thoughts on this thread: 1. If CCP gives china a separate server it will be very LAME, but I can understand that the chinese don't want any new ideas disrupting their happy society. 2. If they get a separate server, it should never be merged with main, as you've already stated. 3. Please find some more players for the main server, even if you can't get chinese. I need more meat.
Silver Night	Posted - 2005.10.07 02:34:00 - [75] Yeah, seems to me if the Chinese server is seperate due to legal issues, that would mean the rest of Asia will be on TQ? Since contact with the Japanese, South Koreans etc. can't be much better than contact with Europeans and Americans in terms of what may be said in-game, or even in-game corporate idealologies. (Note the non-specific nature of the comments, not going into the political stuff.) Would that be correct? China server and a rest of Asia/EU/US server being tranq.? ------------------ Silver Night Director -Production and Science Help the State, Make tens of millions! The Summit
Magnum III	Posted - 2005.10.07 03:11:00 - [76] Edited by: Magnum III on 07/10/2005 03:17:36 I love the Chinese and all the Asian people, I would love to be Asian in my next life if I had a next life. Asians are some cool gamers too. Just please let us play WITH the Chinese, I love those guys and we don't get to interact much as it is, so this would be cool.
Shamis Orzoz	Posted - 2005.10.07 03:14:00 - [77] Originally by: Silver Night Yeah, seems to me if the Chinese server is seperate due to legal issues, that would mean the rest of Asia will be on TQ? Since contact with the Japanese, South Koreans etc. can't be much better than contact with Europeans and Americans in terms of what may be said in-game, or even in-game corporate idealologies. (Note the non-specific nature of the comments, not going into the political stuff.) Would that be correct? China server and a rest of Asia/EU/US server being tranq.? Basically what I was saying, I think you hit the nail on the head though.
Xtro 2	Posted - 2005.10.07 03:28:00 - [78] If the 2 server clusters are definatly never planned to "meet" then they do not require accelerated training of any kind as they have no reason at all to "catch up" people on our cluster. __________________________________________ Hell is nothing more than an office with fluorecent lights.
Doppleganger	Posted - 2005.10.07 03:29:00 - [79] I think it all sounds ok to most the only prob I see with most I know is "IF" Tranq was ever mated with a server that was allowed to sell eve ingame items for $$ and with acclerated learning chars is where I draw the line... If they make a server that has selling of items and accelerated learning it can can not be allowed to be merged and pollute the existing game.
Xtro 2	Posted - 2005.10.07 03:30:00 - [80] But still if they never meet or have any plans to, it would still be nice to be able to observe their "universe" map and its stats. __________________________________________ Hell is nothing more than an office with fluorecent lights.
Slithereen	Posted - 2005.10.07 04:58:00 - [81] Quote: Also, i think that if the clusters would ever merge, the chinese will have tremendous problems with fending the rest off. I think that western players are a LOT more competitive than the chinese will ever be - and our hardcore pvp groups will have quite an edge over the chinese/asian pve style of play. I think it will be more of a disadvantage to THEM if they join clusters. The allure of thousands of fresh targets is something that's unresistable to many of the current players.... If you know what i mean. And if people are wondering about 'how ruthlessly efficient' asian players are - those are south-koreans, 90%. And the ones that want to play EVE already do. So no worries :P You're dreaming. Can you accurately tell if a player is in Japan, SK, Singapore, Hong Kong or China? Having played in MMOs and other online games that involve the Asian community, I can tell you they're extremely voracious, gung ho, aggressive and merciless, if not often downright rude. They would look for every possible edge to win, and Asian culture in general is extremely results oriented (speaking as an Asian myself). There don't seem to be any difference if it's from Singapore, Seoul or Tokyo. Western players are a lot toned down in comparison and far more willing to help newbs or interested in fair and balanced play. Maybe you have not heard some of the garbage they got in Lineage and Lineage 2 (each of these MMOs is as big as WoW itself and combined for double). They got guilds setup among racial lines and made a sport hunting down Western players. When I was in such one Asian based MMO, some groups didn't even like Western players to join them because they were not regarded aggressive enough. And one thing I hate about Asian style games is the propensity for boosting rather than nerfing items and the preference for stronger and even stronger items. Game balance who cares so long I can kill the other guy. I came to EVE looking as a refuge from all of that. _______________________________________________ "Is it me or the bad guys just getting totally pathetic?"---Clover, Totally Spies, "Hope is wasted on the Hopeless."---Mandy, The Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy. "Stars are holes in the sky from which the light of the Infinite shine through."---Confucius.
SengH	Posted - 2005.10.07 05:41:00 - [82] Edited by: SengH on 07/10/2005 05:42:47 To the above poster yes you can. Singaporeans use ALOT of slang such as "lah" and "singlish" so you can tell very easily. Koreans speak differently online. Being for me since im Asian and having lived in asia before you can pick up tell tale signs VERY easily.
Buddrow	Posted - 2005.10.07 05:45:00 - [83] Originally by: Discorporation Quote: Then we would give the Chinese world about 1-2 years to catch up, in an accelerated fashion. Then once the London cluster and the China cluster are about equal in techlevels and player infrastructure, we would possibly merge the clusters and open up the possibility for massive fleet combat¦s and cross world trading No. This'll cost you my sub. hell yea this is weak as hell, i will fristly quite eve and then i will make sure that as many of my alliance and corp mates quite, this is a joke, they get to our skill level when we have paid far more money to play for far longer, thats Bu11** and i am **ed at even the thought. ---------------------------------- "Give me but one firm spot on which to stand, and I will move earth." Archimedes c.287 - 212 BC
Aelius	Posted - 2005.10.07 07:11:00 - [84] Edited by: Aelius on 07/10/2005 07:12:26 Damn you peeps, you worry too much about something that will prolly never gona to happen. On a side note you just have to love this quote: Quote: So WoW is really an excellent training ground for future EVE players. Now that was low Oveur
Bad Harlequin	Posted - 2005.10.07 07:27:00 - [85] Originally by: Malthros Zenobia Originally by: Omber Zombie Quote: We are against it but we believe about giving our customers what they want. If the absolute majority of potential Chinese players of EVE want to do it, then we will do our best to find a way to make it work. We believe in serving our customers, not fighting them. WTF? Possible Translation(?): We at CCP are not idiots like people at Sony, Blizzard, and other companies. We know that there are *******s out there who will always find a way to sell in-game items even if it's illegal, so we might as well try to profit from it. Seriously, as horrible as it'd be, imagine CCP making its own mini ebay, I think y'all might wish to take a look over here fast. Freedom's just another meme for nothing left to lose...
Buddrow	Posted - 2005.10.07 07:50:00 - [86] Edited by: Buddrow on 07/10/2005 07:51:39 i love how you delete my post what reason, i wasn't trolling i was expressing my views on why i think its a flawed idea. is this not acceptable on this forum, am i to just hold hands and be merry about the fact that there is a possibility of others having accelerated training time? now regardless of the fact about if they ARE in fact legaly able to merge or not is not exactly a solid point. seeing as the goverment of china can pass legislation to enable ccp to have one merged server (even tho i do find this highly unlikely because of the rampid internet addiction in you that they are already trying to curb). but still the fact remains we have paid for those extra years & months of training time and they should remain an advantage to those who did use them. im not saying shun new players and make them be dirt, but that is one of the major attractions of eve, the guy who plays 10 hours a week is not missing out on 50X the experince because he has kids and a serious job. the fact that this has the possibility of being nullified is slightly jarring to me. and i will in fact oppose it. im not oppsing asian (china as we all the legal reasons for this) from playing on the euro servers i just fail to see how it would be fair and balanced to the players who have been here for awhile... but hell thats just my two cents ---------------------------------- "Give me but one firm spot on which to stand, and I will move earth." Archimedes c.287 - 212 BC
Zirede Consilium	Posted - 2005.10.07 07:58:00 - [87] Quote: I think y'all might wish to take a look over here fast. Oh... my... GOSH! They are legalising ebaying! Damn, I can't think of all the possible consequences this will lead to. Flood of farming-for-RL-cash? Super-equipped-newbies? Uhh, well, one good thing for EVE and CCP is that since Sony will be taking the first step on this, they will have to bear the consequences, while we observe it all. I'll certainly be checking up the EQII Forums periodically to follow the impact. I hope CCP will carefully... carefully carefully consider any and all consequences before they even start thinking of implementing this.
The GoldenRatio	Posted - 2005.10.07 08:26:00 - [88] Edited by: The GoldenRatio on 07/10/2005 08:29:50 For some strange reason one of my posts got deleted. It was just a reply to a guy who said he feels bad for chinese plyers if they merge with us because we will crush them. It went something like this "If CCP merges the chinese and us/europe servers, the chinese will stomp us hard because they will be way more numerous and in my opinion way more skillfull of players. They will find billions of tactics and secrets and combat plans that we would never dream of. Chinese players are awesomely skillfull and very dedicated." I think perhaps a mod with english as a second langauge read my post and thought I was talking about a real literal war of china vs europe and usa or something....no, I'm just talking about EVE online and the skill of chinese players...nothing wrong with that... The GoldenRatio > All.
Kerosene	Posted - 2005.10.07 08:51:00 - [89] I live in China. 1. Do I need to move to the China server then? 2. What will billing be all about? 3. Will I be able to transfer my character? How much will it cost? 4. Will I be subject to the 3hr/day limit? Will that be hardcoded into the servers? __
Kraythe	Posted - 2005.10.07 09:11:00 - [90] Actually if it werent for the language gap, the chinese corps would interest me greatly. One of the issues I have with many corps is that they dont really work togethet much. There are few corps out there (such as [VIRII]) where you see them consistently workign together trying different military tactics. The chinese would be really good at doing this due to cultural issues and I think it would be fun.

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