Multiple IP address still translate to the same host domain....

Further more you skipped completely out on the

The metric was measured by us at the company after we did a survy of about 45k subscribers.

So unless people are account sharing its easy to say that if two accounts are logged in under the same computer at the same time (or have been even one time in the past) then they are owned by the same person.

We did it with a little old 75 man team and an operating budget of only around 3m a year. If we could do it, CCP can most def do it :)

Since when eve is an online comunity of around 500k?

I see people loving the smell of their own farts on a dailly basis bullshiting themselves and others about this number.

Only CCP knows the real amount of actual individual players but if this was 'the price is right' show i'd bet all I have on no more than 20-25k.

EVE is great and all that but some people should get their heads out from that hole in the ground and face the fence.

No. Just pulled numbers from my anal orfice the rest just made up nothing to do withflogic about player behaviour.

Great work pointing out im full of crap though.

Good thing I have plenty of self made facts too, and that as it turns out, the server usage comes out very close to the actual stats even if I just make crap up.

GǪso I think you might be confusing me with you and the OP here.

Easyly


1.) Translate IP to domain mask

2.) Use domain mask to pin point household

3.) Do a database query for every account in that house hold

4.) Separate database logs via mac addresses and you have the individual computers with in the household

So this is the easy part.. here we have a list of accounts, that could be one persons or could be multiples of people in the house hold. So things get a little tricky at this point, and the way my former company did it (with about 98% success rate)

5.) We took a chat log from a player for 15 days, and then ran more database queries on the chat logs, to look for commonly misspelled words across those accounts.


See what your narrow mind is forgetting, is that just because we act under animosity here on eve. Our habits do not change, the way we spell words the way that we structor sentences, and the words we use are all reflected across our alts.

Sure if you try to do a query like this all across eve's database it wont return ****, but after you narrow it down based on house hold.. its cake to see which accounts are owned by specific people.

It is also the same way that you look to see if someone is "Sharing an account".....


It was called project "Habitating Habits" where I worked....


You are foolish and narrow sighted, but don't worry maybe one day one of YOUR GUESSES will come up correct.


Ohh and other things you can look for:

When accounts login
What accounts area already logged when that account logs in
Player trades and contracts


Do you need more answers? Because I have more... I just don't really feel like typing them out if you are just going to give me a lame one word response....

Since when eve is an online comunity of around 500k?

I see people loving the smell of their own farts on a dailly basis bullshiting themselves and others about this number.

Only CCP knows the real amount of actual individual players but if this was 'the price is right' show i'd bet all I have on no more than 20-25k.

EVE is great and all that but some people should get their heads out from that hole in the ground and face the fence.

AwwwGǪ schnookums. One of these days, your random guesses will accidentally coincide with actual facts, and you'll be able to feel what it's right to have said something that's correct. Don't worry.

Bonjur

Thanks for taking the time to provide your input. I wish more of the gaming community would take a stand against the forum trolls.

I remember one Saturday I decided I wasnt going to give up and give in to their tactics for some off the wall topic. I wasted my whole day stating my point until they finally got to the point of asking the same question over and over until finally the thread was locked.

I wish I had that day back

The problem is that if he is ever accidentally right (even a broken clock is right twice a day....unless it's digital lol), I doubt he'd even know it.

But isn't it so much easier to just be mad at others for being right and reasonable than it is to be mad at yourself for being dumb?

lulz all around.

Most things are a matter of perspective

We already do. That's why you're being challenged when you make such nonsensical and obviously incorrect claims; even more so when you can't actually back them up and have to resort to ad hominems.

So you admit you were trolling then: you refused to actually engage in any kind of argumentation or discuss the topic at hand.

You almost can: just stop trolling. It'll do you (and the rest of us) no end of good.

That's just, like, your opinion, man.

In all seriousness, everything is ultimately subjective, as we use imperfect sensory and neurological machinery to perceive an objective outside world. However, the whole point of discourse is to arrive at workable solutions that allow us to coordinate collectively to interact with that outside world and each other.

Running to relativism every time someone challenges your beliefs or ideas is raw cowardice, plain and simple. We all know that we are each the final arbiters of our subjective perceptions, but engaging in discourse on a topic presumes that some beneficial mutual understanding can be reached through reason and empiricism. Nobody cares about your subjective beliefs that you don't want to expose to discourse, and putting them out there sets them up to be challenged by people.

If everything is just a matter of perspective, then keep your perspective to yourself; doing otherwise then invalidates you from running to relativism after your beliefs are trounced by others.

I admit to taking a stand and not giving in to your standard practice of trolling people until they give up or lack the time to post 23/7 because you disagree with how they see things and have that need to always be right or feel you won an argument.

I think this would be a very simple matter of record. Should anyone care enough to go thru the countless locked topics I feel certain you would see a clear and indisputable pattern of the same names over and over trolling a thread until it becomes locked.

Some just troll to get the topic locked in hopes they had the last reply in to help them feel like they won something.

The pattern is there, its clear and is indisputable but I am sure you will find a way.

Easyly


1.) Translate IP to domain mask

2.) Use domain mask to pin point household

3.) Do a database query for every account in that house hold

4.) Separate database logs via mac addresses and you have the individual computers with in the household

So this is the easy part.. here we have a list of accounts, that could be one persons or could be multiples of people in the house hold. So things get a little tricky at this point, and the way my former company did it (with about 98% success rate)

5.) We took a chat log from a player for 15 days, and then ran more database queries on the chat logs, to look for commonly misspelled words across those accounts.


See what your narrow mind is forgetting, is that just because we act under animosity here on eve. Our habits do not change, the way we spell words the way that we structor sentences, and the words we use are all reflected across our alts.

Sure if you try to do a query like this all across eve's database it wont return ****, but after you narrow it down based on house hold.. its cake to see which accounts are owned by specific people.

It is also the same way that you look to see if someone is "Sharing an account".....


It was called project "Habitating Habits" where I worked....


You are foolish and narrow sighted, but don't worry maybe one day one of YOUR GUESSES will come up correct.


Ohh and other things you can look for:

When accounts login
What accounts area already logged when that account logs in
Player trades and contracts


Do you need more answers? Because I have more... I just don't really feel like typing them out if you are just going to give me a lame one word response....

Any one that plays sees the server population. Weekends it can reach 50kish. Most times the op is correct ~25k. Initially I thought the 500k number may have been life time subs for EVE. There are a lot of Asians but 450k? on one server? Doubtful.

This person proved you wrong beyond any reasonable doubt, yet you continue and counter with nothing but fluff.

This would be a clear example of you refusing to accept that not only could you be wrong but that in FACT you were wrong yet you cant acknowledge or admit it.

I never offer abuse

This would be a clear example of you refusing to accept that not only could you be wrong but that in FACT you were wrong yet you cant acknowledge or admit it.

What do you mean nerf highsec?

Even if you take that number at its highest and double it not even taking in account for alts you still fall far short. I have been on all hours of the night on the weekends and I donGÇÖt see the magic spike for those who are in different time zones. Unless the population numbers at log in are inaccurate.

Does the server feel heavy populated to you? Most times I wounder with those 25k if half are alts or afk even.

In the end its still just a number. The number means nothing to mean. What matters to me is the feel of the server.

WhatGÇÖs ridiculous is your endless insatiable need to always be correct . Try stepping off your high horse now and then.

GǪin fact, at an average online count of 39k or more ever since Retribution across both TQ and Serenity, that's 6.5 million account-hours per week, or just over 13 hours per week per account. To me, that actually sounds rather high and would suggest that the number of accounts is much higher than a mere 500k (but then, those online-hours would include not just a bunch of trail accounts that aren't counted among the 500k, but also a bunch of 23.5/7 bots that bring the hour count up).

So yeah, no. 500k almost sounds too small a number.

This is as close as your ever going to get to admitting you were wrong.

I'm told that just about all the 23.5/7 bots have been Darwined, and most of the surviving bots run a much more intermittent activity cycle these days.

Perhaps you should assume that there are 15 or 20,000 AFK cloakers instead

Prove it.

btw, as a rule of thumb, 20% of your user base will login at peak times, so with peak of 63k we should have about 315,000 active accounts on tranquility, which leaves 195,000 accounts for china. Sounds very reasonable for me, but feel free to disagree.