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Agent Titsaria The Padwan Conglomerate Venture 3	Posted - 2013.05.07 18:25:00 - [1] - Quote Since when eve is an online comunity of around 500k? I see people loving the smell of their own farts on a dailly basis bullshiting themselves and others about this number. Only CCP knows the real amount of actual individual players but if this was 'the price is right' show i'd bet all I have on no more than 20-25k. EVE is great and all that but some people should get their heads out from that hole in the ground and face the fence.
Meryl SinGarda Phoibe Enterprises Project Wildfire 794	Posted - 2013.05.07 18:26:00 - [2] - Quote What do you mean nerf highsec? CEO of B.U.T.T.
Unsuccessful At Everything The Troll Bridge 3532	Posted - 2013.05.07 18:27:00 - [3] - Quote Yes yes, we all know that Eve is full of Alts. Were all fine with it. Move along. *Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?*
Danni stark 162	Posted - 2013.05.07 18:27:00 - [4] - Quote 25k players, so you're suggesting the average player owns 20 accounts? did you actually do the math on that one before posting and stop to consider how stupid it sounds? Ice Mining Skill Plan.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 14066	Posted - 2013.05.07 18:29:00 - [5] - Quote Agent Titsaria wrote: Since when eve is an online comunity of around 500k? Since, oh, Retribution + China relaunch, approximately. Quote: Only CCP knows the real amount of actual individual players but if this was 'the price is right' show i'd bet all I have on no more than 20-25k. Not even CCP knows, and you'd lose that bet. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: newbie skill plan.-á
Rengerel en Distel Amarr Science and Industry 1401	Posted - 2013.05.07 18:29:00 - [6] - Quote Danni stark wrote: 25k players, so you're suggesting the average player owns 20 accounts? did you actually do the math on that one before posting and stop to consider how stupid it sounds? I would have thought "face the fence" would have been enough to know they didn't consider how stupid their post was before hitting the button. With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.
Laserak GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 20	Posted - 2013.05.07 18:31:00 - [7] - Quote Meryl SinGarda wrote: What do you mean nerf highsec? nerf farts
Awlton Stueen Kenshin. Circle-Of-Two 3	Posted - 2013.05.07 18:33:00 - [8] - Quote I think there are about ~150-200k players who log in on a regular basis, my numbers come from my brain and have no reliable source, but if there are 500k accounts, we can say that a big bunch of them is inactive or double / triple...account. We constantly have 25-50k players online, I myself have 4 accounts but I usually only use one at a time, so I don't think more than 20 to 30% of them are dual accounts. Which left us with roughly 30k players online. Consider that a few of them play 23/7, but the majority are normal gamer, and only log in for a couple of hours, and not every day. I'm sure EVE had 25k players back in 2003, but times have changed man.
CompleteFailure Polaris Rising Gentlemen's Agreement 24	Posted - 2013.05.07 18:35:00 - [9] - Quote So much anger...
Concurssi Mellenar The Scope Gallente Federation 69	Posted - 2013.05.07 18:38:00 - [10] - Quote I've only ever heard talk of subscriber counts, not accounts. In The Butterfly Effect video, a phrase that goes something along the lines of "your actions could touch the lives of more than 300000 people in 230 countries". People, not accounts. And that video was made some time ago. These days, I've heard talk of there being 500000 subscribers. Not accounts. http://www.edge-online.com/news/eve-online-passes-500000-subscribers/ He who controls the veld, controls the universe.

E-2C Hawkeye State War Academy Caldari State 184	Posted - 2013.05.07 18:43:00 - [11] - Quote Any one that plays sees the server population. Weekends it can reach 50kish. Most times the op is correct ~25k. Initially I thought the 500k number may have been life time subs for EVE. There are a lot of Asians but 450k? on one server? Doubtful.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 14066	Posted - 2013.05.07 18:44:00 - [12] - Quote Concurssi Mellenar wrote: I've only ever heard talk of subscriber counts, not accounts. In The Butterfly Effect video, a phrase that goes something along the lines of "your actions could touch the lives of more than 300000 people in 230 countries". People, not accounts. And that video was made some time ago. These days, I've heard talk of there being 500000 subscribers. Not accounts. Welcome to marketing. The numbers are always accounts, not people. Mainly because there's no reliable way of counting actual people GÇö at best, you can generalise numbers from polling data (which will have a significant self-selection bias among those with more accounts). GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: newbie skill plan.-á
Ranger 1 Ranger Corp 4128	Posted - 2013.05.07 18:57:00 - [13] - Quote Over 500,000 active accounts between Serenity and Tranquility, and not counting DUST players. The 300,000 number was a few years ago, and did not include Serenity. The numbers on Tranquility have gone up since then. CCP has already stated they are working to impliment procedures to provide a meaningful number of individual players rather than relying on individual account data, as that metric can be useful. I think you would be very surprised at how many people only have 1 account, especially in high sec. There is simply less of a need to have a second account available for most normal high sec activities. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base.
E-2C Hawkeye State War Academy Caldari State 184	Posted - 2013.05.07 18:59:00 - [14] - Quote Tippia wrote: Concurssi Mellenar wrote: I've only ever heard talk of subscriber counts, not accounts. In The Butterfly Effect video, a phrase that goes something along the lines of "your actions could touch the lives of more than 300000 people in 230 countries". People, not accounts. And that video was made some time ago. These days, I've heard talk of there being 500000 subscribers. Not accounts. Welcome to marketing. The numbers are always accounts, not people. Mainly because there's no reliable way of counting actual people GÇö at best, you can generalise numbers from polling data (which will have a significant self-selection bias among those with more accounts). E-2C Hawkeye wrote: Any one that plays sees the server population. Weekends it can reach 50kish. Most times the op is correct ~25k. GÇªexcept that this would assume that every last player is always online 23.5/7. So no, the OP is ridiculously incorrect. Even if you take that number at its highest and double it not even taking in account for alts you still fall far short. I have been on all hours of the night on the weekends and I donGÇÖt see the magic spike for those who are in different time zones. Unless the population numbers at log in are inaccurate. Does the server feel heavy populated to you? Most times I wounder with those 25k if half are alts or afk even. In the end its still just a number. The number means nothing to mean. What matters to me is the feel of the server. WhatGÇÖs ridiculous is your endless insatiable need to always be correct . Try stepping off your high horse now and then.
Ranger 1 Ranger Corp 4129	Posted - 2013.05.07 19:05:00 - [15] - Quote E-2C Hawkeye wrote: Tippia wrote: Concurssi Mellenar wrote: I've only ever heard talk of subscriber counts, not accounts. In The Butterfly Effect video, a phrase that goes something along the lines of "your actions could touch the lives of more than 300000 people in 230 countries". People, not accounts. And that video was made some time ago. These days, I've heard talk of there being 500000 subscribers. Not accounts. Welcome to marketing. The numbers are always accounts, not people. Mainly because there's no reliable way of counting actual people GÇö at best, you can generalise numbers from polling data (which will have a significant self-selection bias among those with more accounts). E-2C Hawkeye wrote: Any one that plays sees the server population. Weekends it can reach 50kish. Most times the op is correct ~25k. GÇªexcept that this would assume that every last player is always online 23.5/7. So no, the OP is ridiculously incorrect. Even if you take that number at its highest and double it not even taking in account for alts you still fall far short. I have been on all hours of the night on the weekends and I donGÇÖt see the magic spike for those who are in different time zones. Unless the population numbers at log in are inaccurate. Does the server feel heavy populated to you? Most times I wounder with those 25k if half are alts or afk even. In the end its still just a number. The number means nothing to mean. What matters to me is the feel of the server. WhatGÇÖs ridiculous is your endless insatiable need to always be correct . Try stepping off your high horse now and then. I can't remember the last time when I logged on and the player count has been anywhere near that low. You know, it really doesn't mean much to point out "an insatiable need to be correct" when that person actually IS correct. This is the middle of the work day here in the states, so numbers should be pretty low right now. Quick, somebody log in and tell us how many are on... as I'll admit I don't normally log on in one of the slower periods for EvE. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base.
Forum Clone 77777 State War Academy Caldari State 89	Posted - 2013.05.07 19:06:00 - [16] - Quote E-2C Hawkeye wrote: Tippia wrote: Concurssi Mellenar wrote: I've only ever heard talk of subscriber counts, not accounts. In The Butterfly Effect video, a phrase that goes something along the lines of "your actions could touch the lives of more than 300000 people in 230 countries". People, not accounts. And that video was made some time ago. These days, I've heard talk of there being 500000 subscribers. Not accounts. Welcome to marketing. The numbers are always accounts, not people. Mainly because there's no reliable way of counting actual people GÇö at best, you can generalise numbers from polling data (which will have a significant self-selection bias among those with more accounts). E-2C Hawkeye wrote: Any one that plays sees the server population. Weekends it can reach 50kish. Most times the op is correct ~25k. GÇªexcept that this would assume that every last player is always online 23.5/7. So no, the OP is ridiculously incorrect. Even if you take that number at its highest and double it not even taking in account for alts you still fall far short. I have been on all hours of the night on the weekends and I donGÇÖt see the magic spike for those who are in different time zones. Unless the population numbers at log in are inaccurate. Does the server feel heavy populated to you? Most times I wounder with those 25k if half are alts or afk even. In the end its still just a number. The number means nothing to mean. What matters to me is the feel of the server. WhatGÇÖs ridiculous is your endless insatiable need to always be correct . Try stepping off your high horse now and then. You feel the universe is dead? Well, maybe where you are, but then again, I can also go to somewhere in space where Id be the only one around for 20 jumps. I can also go to a place where hundreds of ships fly past me every second. Its all about where you are, the most remote corner of null wont have the same activity as Jita, obviously.
Din Chao Di-Tron Heavy Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore 227	Posted - 2013.05.07 19:07:00 - [17] - Quote E-2C Hawkeye wrote: Any one that plays sees the server population. Weekends it can reach 50kish. Most times the op is correct ~25k. Initially I thought the 500k number may have been life time subs for EVE. There are a lot of Asians but 450k? on one server? Doubtful. ...incredible...
Ranger 1 Ranger Corp 4129	Posted - 2013.05.07 19:10:00 - [18] - Quote Din Chao wrote: E-2C Hawkeye wrote: Any one that plays sees the server population. Weekends it can reach 50kish. Most times the op is correct ~25k. Initially I thought the 500k number may have been life time subs for EVE. There are a lot of Asians but 450k? on one server? Doubtful. ...incredible... Indeed. It would be interesting to have this number, even for Tranquility alone. It's a pretty safe bet that the life time number of subscriptions would be in the 10's of millions. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base.
Varius Xeral Galactic Trade Syndicate 836	Posted - 2013.05.07 19:12:00 - [19] - Quote People have called out the "subscriber" bs numerous times. Nothing earth-shattering here. As to the actual number of actual people? You can at best make a "reasonable bounds" estimation that it should fall between. Personally, I can't be assed because I don't care enough to put much real thought or effort into it.
Jenn aSide STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries 1736	Posted - 2013.05.07 19:12:00 - [20] - Quote E-2C Hawkeye wrote: Does the server feel heavy populated to you? Most times I wounder with those 25k if half are alts or afk even. In the end its still just a number. The number means nothing to mean. What matters to me is the feel of the server. Yea, to hell with empirical evidence, how does a server of sagame that presents 7000 solar systems FEEL, thats a much better way to judge things. Just like ym ex-wife use to say "I don't care about the facts, i care about how I FEEL"...... Quote: WhatGÇÖs ridiculous is your endless insatiable need to always be correct . Try stepping off your high horse now and then. Yea, Tippia, why don't you let go of all the "fact", and "evidence" and "reason" BS you keep spouting and get with the real (E-2C Hawkeye) plan and just tell us what FEELS right to you. Let your self be wrong all the time like hawkeye, not having to think is SO damn liberating it ain't even funny! (And no, I'm not going to reimburse any exploded sarcasm meters guys, since CCP wants to nerf my magic moon goo spigot that CCP hands out to everyone who lives in null simply for living in null)

Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 14068	Posted - 2013.05.07 19:14:00 - [21] - Quote E-2C Hawkeye wrote: Even if you take that number at its highest and double it not even taking in account for alts you still fall far short. Lolno. You're just still assuming an unrealistically high activity from each person. 50GÇô60k peak users represents maybe Gà¢ of the active accounts. If it were 120k, it would be pretty much everyone in that time zone. So already, you're looking at almost half the accounts that would have their regular play time being logged on, which is amazingly high, but then we should adjust that downwards since neither time zones nor player activity is as sharply divided as that. They'll float into each other. At any rate, spread that out over the week, and you get maybe 5h online per player, which is entirely in line with what you see in the polls they've published every now and then. Quote: I have been on all hours of the night on the weekends and I donGÇÖt see the magic spike for those who are in different time zones. Why should there be any kind of spike at all (besides the roughly two-hour US/EU overlap)? There should really only be a dip during periods when no populus timezone is activeGÇª which is exactly what we see. There are 24 hours in a day; there are 400-something thousand accounts on TQGÇª and what are the hourly online averages, again? Hmm? Quote: Does the server feel heavy populated to you? At 50k+ for the days and hours I play, it certainly does. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: newbie skill plan.-á
Ranger 1 Ranger Corp 4129	Posted - 2013.05.07 19:14:00 - [22] - Quote Currently online, on Tuesday in the middle of the work day here in the US: Tranquility only: 50,983 To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base.
Rhivre TarNec 118	Posted - 2013.05.07 19:18:00 - [23] - Quote when are you playing with 25k? :o Even mornings in EU TZ its usually 30k+ when I log in, atm it is 51k. To assume only 50k players implies everyone is permanently logged in. So right now, the entire population of eve is logged in....or something. Only, there are at least 5 subscriber accounts I know of which arent logged in just now ^^ Are there 500k unique players? Not at all. Are there 500k accounts? sure, why not?
Din Chao Di-Tron Heavy Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore 229	Posted - 2013.05.07 19:18:00 - [24] - Quote Ranger 1 wrote: Currently online, on Tuesday in the middle of the work day here in the US: Tranquility only: 50,983 And... how does that make you feel?
Ranger 1 Ranger Corp 4129	Posted - 2013.05.07 19:20:00 - [25] - Quote Din Chao wrote: Ranger 1 wrote: Currently online, on Tuesday in the middle of the work day here in the US: Tranquility only: 50,983 And... how does that make you feel? Left out. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base.
Jenn aSide STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries 1738	Posted - 2013.05.07 19:20:00 - [26] - Quote Ranger 1 wrote: Currently online, on Tuesday in the middle of the work day here in the US: 50,983 It's mostly Goons, they are online right now because when you live in yo momma's basement and she splits here welfare check with you, you can do that! CCP should make Ramen Noodles an ingame commodity so we can eject them every time Goons try to gank someone, it'll be like flares on a heat seeking missile! * Jenn aSide says screw it and puts in app to Goons because that actually sounds like a good deal, just need momma to sign up for welfare*
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 14068	Posted - 2013.05.07 19:32:00 - [27] - Quote GÇªin fact, at an average online count of 39k or more ever since Retribution across both TQ and Serenity, that's 6.5 million account-hours per week, or just over 13 hours per week per account. To me, that actually sounds rather high and would suggest that the number of accounts is much higher than a mere 500k (but then, those online-hours would include not just a bunch of trail accounts that aren't counted among the 500k, but also a bunch of 23.5/7 bots that bring the hour count up). So yeah, no. 500k almost sounds too small a number. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: newbie skill plan.-á
RubyPorto SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT 3322	Posted - 2013.05.07 19:43:00 - [28] - Quote Tippia wrote: but also a bunch of 23.5/7 bots that bring the hour count up). So yeah, no. 500k almost sounds too small a number. Also legitimate 23.5/7 alts. Like AFK Cloakers, Market Alts (mine stays online because I don't want to bother typing things when I want too oogle Jita), Safari alts retaining their corp membership till (or past) dt, etc. This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody. "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon
Maxpie MUSE Buy-n-Large Metaphysical Utopian Society Enterprises 296	Posted - 2013.05.07 19:54:00 - [29] - Quote Unsuccessful At Everything wrote: Yes yes, we all know that Eve is full of Alts. Were all fine with it. Move along. Please speak for yourself. Personally, I believe alts take away from the immersion and consequences of an otherwise fairly elegant game design. No good deed goes unpunished
FlamesOfHeaven Ministry of War Amarr Empire 29	Posted - 2013.05.07 20:08:00 - [30] - Quote Time zone.... I bet the world is flat amirite?



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