Depends how crappy your walls are.

I'll be giving my kid my .22 when it turns 4 but I plan to actually raise it and do that thing that makes kids not shoot people.... parenting I think it's called?

There's no harm in teaching them young, but 4 is incredibly irresponsible.

This kind of murky anecdote floats around too much and frankly, I've never seen it substantiated. Every single killer I've ever heard of had some kind of abusive past. Even the so-called "warrior genes," aren't fully expressed unless the carrier is exposed to a LOT of duress in their formative years.

Sure, every initial news report is "oh I never knew this person would do such a thing-" but the in-depth investigation always turns up some fantastically messed up childhood.

Of course you can simply wring your hands and say that mental-illness is some mystical unknown, but that doesn't explain anything and in-fact seeks to obscure the verifiable hypotheses that could shed some light on the situation.

Courts are fundamentally biased towards mothers even sometimes at the child's peril.

On the ammo box it says a .22 LR can travel up to 2 miles if fired at the right angle

Like respect and discipline? It seems like almost all children lack those two things now days.

On the ammo box it says a .22 LR can travel up to 2 miles if fired at the right angle

This is a case of a child whose parents believe in the following:

1) Positive Reinforcement
2) Time Out for punishment
3) Being more of a friend with their child than an authority figure

In short - they raised a spoiled brat with no sense of accountability who acted on impulses since he did not have the discipline to think things through first.

I am so glad that in the 19 years my wife and I have been married, we opted not to have children. I didn't feel like explaining to the police that, "Yes" I did spank the child as they were being way out of line. Yes, I did take away their cellphone, delete their facebook & twitter accounts, and I took their computer to reformat it and donate it to either a school or some other organization or family in need.

Then I would have to deal with DHR and Child Services.

Nope - not for me.

I got my butt whipped when I was a kid. I feared consequences. I feared my father's reaction. I respected their authority. This fear activated the part of my brain that controlled discipline.

The family in this article (RIP to the mom), had none of that. The sad part is - there's a whole generation of parents just like this raising a generation of kids.

Joy.

This is a case of a child whose parents believe in the following:

1) Positive Reinforcement
2) Time Out for punishment
3) Being more of a friend with their child than an authority figure

In short - they raised a spoiled brat with no sense of accountability who acted on impulses since he did not have the discipline to think things through first.

I am so glad that in the 19 years my wife and I have been married, we opted not to have children. I didn't feel like explaining to the police that, "Yes" I did spank the child as they were being way out of line. Yes, I did take away their cellphone, delete their facebook & twitter accounts, and I took their computer to reformat it and donate it to either a school or some other organization or family in need.

Then I would have to deal with DHR and Child Services.

Nope - not for me.

I got my butt whipped when I was a kid. I feared consequences. I feared my father's reaction. I respected their authority. This fear activated the part of my brain that controlled discipline.

The family in this article (RIP to the mom), had none of that. The sad part is - there's a whole generation of parents just like this raising a generation of kids.

Joy.

In short, I parent. And they will be the better for it.

Offering a thought I've had for years, there should be National service like in Israel and Germany. I would be inside of this age group and would go for it.

So ultimately we all seem to be trending towards a conclusion here.

Discipline is an issue and parents are refusing to do it.

Offering a thought I've had for years, there should be National service like in Israel and Germany. I would be inside of this age group and would go for it.

I'v often thought about that too, but here in the USA that would be very expensive and would probably violate the constitution.

We had something roughly equivalent. It was called a Draft. But that was a long time ago.

In 1988, my 15 year old younger brother was shot and killed in a stupid gun accident. Two other boys of similar age were involved and ALL of them had attended and passed gun safety training. All of them were also boy scouts and came from good homes where parenting actually did take place.

Just knowing gun safety is not enough.

Sometimes, parenting isn't enough.

Expensive, but useful, IMO.

I can't speak for America, but I think its worth it regardless. The costs of not fixing this mess could be colossal in the long run. We have business's run by people who do not have a vested interest in their own nation, we have a systematic lack of discipline as shown in classrooms where teachers are beaten and are considered the perpetrators if they defend themselves. We have similar crime issues here as in the US, but replace knives with guns.

There was no immediate benefit to going to the Moon other than the results of lessons on the journey. I suspect that there are too many people who would be embarrassed by a return to the old education styles, and I might be in the minority of my own preferred education style. I do not like learning things by hypothetical's, give me stuff to work with. Show me an issue and then a new mathematical trick or 5 and let me crack it out the hard way, that's how to build understanding.

Bascialy I think the education system needs to be rethought. If you don't learn from the way thats prescribed, you fail. If you fail, you go into depressions, and from there everything can compound and you snap like that.

If individual parents can't be trusted to keep their kids away from M rated violent shooters, or to keep their kids from shooting off a gun randomly, when is it permissible for society to step in?

I'll be giving my kid my .22 when it turns 4 but I plan to actually raise it and do that thing that makes kids not shoot people.... parenting I think it's called?

"It"

Well if I said he and it turned out to be a girl I'd look like an ass

Well if I said he and it turned out to be a girl I'd look like an ass

Didn't know Mrs Plunderbunny was expecting, congratulations