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Denak Calamari
Ozark Cartel White Mountain Coalition
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Posted - 2013.05.07 19:26:00 -
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Just stumbled over this Youtube video about a kid sexually assaulting his mother and then shooting her with a rifle because she took away his copy of Call of Duty.
Video in question
The article about it
This is seriously disturbing news, and I just can't help but wonder what the heck were their parents thinking when they gave their at the time 11 year old kid a lethal firearm. And I sure damn hope that no politician will instantly jump on the Violent-Video-Games-Are-Bad-And-Should-Be-Banned bandwagon. Immortality is overrated. |

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
11264
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Posted - 2013.05.07 19:31:00 -
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I'll be giving my kid my .22 when it turns 4 but I plan to actually raise it and do that thing that makes kids not shoot people.... parenting I think it's called? "Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á |

Commissar Kate
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
4691
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Posted - 2013.05.07 19:36:00 -
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Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:I'll be giving my kid my .22 when it turns 4 but I plan to actually raise it and do that thing that makes kids not shoot people.... parenting I think it's called?
Like respect and discipline? It seems like almost all children lack those two things now days. Set Lasers for Fun!!! |

Eurydia Vespasian
Nova Insula Mining and Industrial
2432
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Posted - 2013.05.07 19:57:00 -
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stories like this make me not ever want to have children. well that and the whole misery of being pregnant thing. seems to me people aren't even allowed to be parents anymore. you discipline a child...it's physical abuse. you threaten them with the possibility of discipline...it's psychological abuse. you verbally scold them...it's verbal abuse.
they aren't allowed to be wrong. they aren't allowed to lose.
and if you dare to attempt contradicting that standard by actually punishing or scolding a child, you'll have some nosy ******* neighbor calling the social workers on you. parents can't win these days.
this has been going on for a long time already and we see the results in the paper, in the grocery store, at the movie theater and walking down the street everyday.
i remember when i was little, my brother was in trouble somehow (which was the normal protocol of most days lol) and dad was preparing to chastise his behavior with a little corporal punishment. which was, even at that time, beginning to be become rather taboo. anyway, my brother says he'll call the cops if this goes down. dad replies "you go ahead and call them. i swear, by the time they get here...they'll have a reason to come."
no cops showed up. |

Adela Talvanen
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
29
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Posted - 2013.05.07 20:08:00 -
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Words fail me except OMG, Poor woman. Awful.  |

Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
1708
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Posted - 2013.05.07 20:08:00 -
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Somewhere out there Jack Thompson is jizzing himself right now.
As for the firearm comment, I received my .22 when I was ten, but my parents taught me about discipline and safety. Never once did I have the urge to go grab it each time my parents grounded me, which was almost a daily occurrence mind you, and 24 years later I still have that rifle and both parents. I know it can be hard to comprehend, but kids can be responsible and not immediately turn into a little Kim Jong the second they're handed a firearm. Personally I am more disturbed by his attempted **** of his own mother. Seriously, who the hell does that? Out of Pod is getting In the Pod - Join in game channel IG OOPE |

Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
3534
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Posted - 2013.05.07 20:15:00 -
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Micheal Dietrich wrote:Personally I am more disturbed by his attempted **** of his own mother. Seriously, who the hell does that?
My thoughts exactly. Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
11268
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Posted - 2013.05.07 20:18:00 -
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Micheal Dietrich wrote:Somewhere out there Jack Thompson is jizzing himself right now.
As for the firearm comment, I received my .22 when I was ten, but my parents taught me about discipline and safety. Never once did I have the urge to go grab it each time my parents grounded me, which was almost a daily occurrence mind you, and 24 years later I still have that rifle and both parents. I know it can be hard to comprehend, but kids can be responsible and not immediately turn into a little Kim Jong the second they're handed a firearm. Personally I am more disturbed by his attempted **** of his own mother. Seriously, who the hell does that?
Call of Duty players  "Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á |

Alara IonStorm
4982
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Posted - 2013.05.07 20:25:00 -
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Eurydia Vespasian wrote:stories like this make me not ever want to have children. well that and the whole misery of being pregnant thing. seems to me people aren't even allowed to be parents anymore. you discipline a child...it's physical abuse. you threaten them with the possibility of discipline...it's psychological abuse. you verbally scold them...it's verbal abuse.
they aren't allowed to be wrong. they aren't allowed to lose.
and if you dare to attempt contradicting that standard by actually punishing or scolding a child, you'll have some nosy ******* neighbor calling the social workers on you. parents can't win these days.
this has been going on for a long time already and we see the results in the paper, in the grocery store, at the movie theater and walking down the street everyday.
Don't forget the if you even just raise your voice to them in public there is a chance it will be filmed, put on the web and 99.9% of people won't care but the last 0.01% will call your home at 3AM to curse out whoever picks up the phone in a blind rage or jams up your counties police and social service lines yelling at them.
Because that helps things. |

Zimmy Zeta
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
17894
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Posted - 2013.05.07 20:46:00 -
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Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:I'll be giving my kid my .22 when it turns 4 but I plan to actually raise it and do that thing that makes kids not shoot people.... parenting I think it's called?
I am pretty sure that it is called "blanks" or "locking away the ammo". Just think of how bad an average post by me is, and then realize half of them are even worse |

Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
1708
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Posted - 2013.05.07 20:50:00 -
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Zimmy Zeta wrote:Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:I'll be giving my kid my .22 when it turns 4 but I plan to actually raise it and do that thing that makes kids not shoot people.... parenting I think it's called? I am pretty sure that it is called "blanks" or "locking away the ammo". 
The gun should be in a safe as well, but if you can't afford a safe or the safe isn't big enough then it should have a trigger lock on it. Out of Pod is getting In the Pod - Join in game channel IG OOPE |

Sturmwolke
402
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Posted - 2013.05.07 20:54:00 -
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Two things, parental upbringing and antipsychotic drugs (side-effects). Either or both can turn anyone into a crazy/zombie.
You don't need a gun to kill in a rage. Baseball bats, kitchen knife etc. etc. can be just as efficient. The type of weapon used is irrelevant.
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Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
1709
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Posted - 2013.05.07 21:01:00 -
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Another news site talked about him stabbing the couch with a knife when he an his mother fought. Personally I would've called that a red flag myself. Out of Pod is getting In the Pod - Join in game channel IG OOPE |

silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
1624
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Posted - 2013.05.07 21:01:00 -
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Denak Calamari wrote:Just stumbled over this Youtube video about a kid sexually assaulting his mother and then shooting her with a rifle because she took away his copy of Call of Duty. Video in questionThe article about itThis is seriously disturbing news, and I just can't help but wonder what the heck were their parents thinking when they gave their at the time 11 year old kid a lethal firearm. And I sure damn hope that no politician will instantly jump on the Violent-Video-Games-Are-Bad-And-Should-Be-Banned bandwagon. I've had my 'own' rifle since I was eight. My parents still live - despite all the discipline they've meted out over the years. Or maybe because they meted out punishment and required respectful and responsible behavior.
Perhaps we should look at the parenting inthis situation. Radical concept, I know, but it's a thought. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
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Zimmy Zeta
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
17909
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Posted - 2013.05.07 21:07:00 -
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Sturmwolke wrote:Two things, parental upbringing and antipsychotic drugs (side-effects). Either or both can turn anyone into a crazy/zombie.
You don't need a gun to kill in a rage. Baseball bats, kitchen knife etc. etc. can be just as efficient. The type of weapon used is irrelevant.
Antipsychotic drugs were not mentioned in the article unless I missed it. Although the older generation of neuroleptics have severe side effects (most notably movement disorders and sedation) spontaneous eruptions of violence are not amongst them and are usually rather a symptom of the disorder that led to this medication in the first place.
Just think of how bad an average post by me is, and then realize half of them are even worse |

Sturmwolke
403
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Posted - 2013.05.07 21:48:00 -
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Zimmy Zeta wrote: Antipsychotic drugs were not mentioned in the article unless I missed it. Although the older generation of neuroleptics have severe side effects (most notably movement disorders and sedation) spontaneous eruptions of violence are not amongst them and are usually rather a symptom of the disorder that led to this medication in the first place.
It won't be mentioned if it goes against an interest. Whether mentioned or not, that possibility won't go away. Not going to bother arguing the (flawed) logic that the usage of any mind altering substance only limits itself to physical medical sideffects ... nor the rather easy conclusion to scapegoat it to purely an "original" condition.
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baltec1
Bat Country
6228
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Posted - 2013.05.07 21:52:00 -
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I think we can all agree that giving this nutjob access to a firearm was not a very smart thing to do. |

silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
1625
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Posted - 2013.05.07 22:11:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:I think we can all agree that giving this nutjob access to a firearm was not a very smart thing to do. Hindsight. Clearly, the parents didn't think their child was a nutjob.
Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Didn't vote? Then you voted for NulBloc |

Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
1710
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Posted - 2013.05.07 22:14:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:I think we can all agree that giving this nutjob access to a firearm was not a very smart thing to do.
I do agree but I would also like to reiterate that the kid shanked the family couch and attempted to **** his mother. In my opinion he is simply one of those 'it was a matter of time' people. Out of Pod is getting In the Pod - Join in game channel IG OOPE |

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
11273
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Posted - 2013.05.07 22:35:00 -
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Just to be clear, if my 4 year old is insane I won't give it a .22 "Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á |

stoicfaux
2672
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Posted - 2013.05.07 22:57:00 -
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Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:I'll be giving my kid my .22 when it turns 4 but I plan to actually raise it and do that thing that makes kids not shoot people.... parenting I think it's called? 5-year-old Kentucky boy fatally shoots 2-year-old sister "A Kentucky mother stepped outside of her home just for a few minutes, but it was long enough for her 5-year-old son to accidentally shoot and kill his 2-year-old sister with the .22-caliber rifle he got for his birthday, state officials said."
If you're dumb enough to let your kids kill each other, that's fine. However, if your stupidity were to get *my* kid killed...
What's the effective killing range of a .22, neighbor?
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Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
1712
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Posted - 2013.05.07 23:28:00 -
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And now we are going into the pro/anti gun debate which has been disallowed from the forums. Time to lock this one. Out of Pod is getting In the Pod - Join in game channel IG OOPE |

baltec1
Bat Country
6229
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Posted - 2013.05.07 23:37:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:I'll be giving my kid my .22 when it turns 4 but I plan to actually raise it and do that thing that makes kids not shoot people.... parenting I think it's called? 5-year-old Kentucky boy fatally shoots 2-year-old sister"A Kentucky mother stepped outside of her home just for a few minutes, but it was long enough for her 5-year-old son to accidentally shoot and kill his 2-year-old sister with the .22-caliber rifle he got for his birthday, state officials said." If you're dumb enough to let your kids kill each other, that's fine. However, if your stupidity were to get *my* kid killed... What's the effective killing range of a .22, neighbor?
Depends how crappy your walls are. |

stoicfaux
2673
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Posted - 2013.05.07 23:54:00 -
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Micheal Dietrich wrote:And now we are going into the pro/anti gun debate which has been disallowed from the forums. Time to lock this one. We're not talking about pro/anti-gun, we're talking about kids, parenting, and responsibility, especially the parenting angle since kids have poor impulse control until they're about twenty years old or so.
Why did a kid have access to a Mature rated game? Why did he have access to a gun? Personal responsibility isn't just about you, the individual, accepting the personal consequences of your actions, it's also about whether the individual gets to decide whether society needs to suffer from additional or unnecessary risks from individuals.
If individual parents can't be trusted to keep their kids away from M rated violent shooters, or to keep their kids from shooting off a gun randomly, when is it permissible for society to step in?
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OfBalance
Caldari State
446
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Posted - 2013.05.08 00:16:00 -
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Adela Talvanen wrote:Words fail me except OMG, Poor woman. Awful. 
She helped to create that monster, so no, not "poor woman," unless you are willing to extend that empathy to the child she damaged.
stoicfaux wrote: If individual parents can't be trusted to keep their kids away from M rated violent shooters, or to keep their kids from shooting off a gun randomly, when is it permissible for society to step in?
"Society," is just a word. Individuals in society have the prerogative to implore their family, friends, and neighbors in matters of children who are being mistreated. The government (I assume that's what you mean by "society") programs designed as an oversight in this situation clearly failed. I don't know about you, but when my employees fail at their job, I don't simply throw more money at them and assume they'll do a better job next time. |

Kirjava
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
4856
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Posted - 2013.05.08 00:47:00 -
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At the risk of being very unpopular....
This holds true across the spectrum with people being fundamentally broken by their parents. Reading the childhood of the Norwegian mass shooter Anders Breivik.... Seems that that entire thing could have been avoided if his far more mentally stable and reliable father (a diplomat in the Norwegian civil service) been awarded custody over his mother. I'm fairly certain the details aren't for on these forums, but even a cursory glance its a wonder he didn't snap sooner.
Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. Cardinal Kirjava - Redeclaring the Crusade in the name of the Goddess since 2012. /S¦¦GùòGÇ+GÇ+GùòS¦¦\ |

Alara IonStorm
4984
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Posted - 2013.05.08 01:02:00 -
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Kirjava wrote:At the risk of being very unpopular....
This holds true across the spectrum with people being fundamentally broken by their parents. Reading the childhood of the Norwegian mass shooter Anders Breivik.... Seems that that entire thing could have been avoided if his far more mentally stable and reliable father (a diplomat in the Norwegian civil service) been awarded custody over his mother. I'm fairly certain the details aren't for on these forums, but even a cursory glance its a wonder he didn't snap sooner. I know of one postpartum mom who tried to drown her kid in a steam, went to a psych clinic, got out, sued for custody from the father and got it, even before she had slept around on the father while they were married. This is with the child protests to stay with the father whom is the only parent they knew.
Courts are fundamentally biased towards mothers even sometimes at the child's peril. |

Kirjava
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
4856
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Posted - 2013.05.08 01:08:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:I know of one postpartum mom who tried to drown her kid in a steam, went to a psych clinic, got out, sued for custody from the father and got it, even before she had slept around on the father while they were married. This is with the child protests to stay with the father whom is the only parent they knew.
Courts are fundamentally biased towards mothers even sometimes at the child's peril. This is quite a terrifying prospect. Heck if the mentalities of my parents had been the other way around and custody awarded on which one was the mother....
This kind of thing had been dumped into my sphere of interest since Adria Richards and the Dongle joke firing. It's quite surreal how the law is structured to leave judgement by the door in favour of preconceived notions. But that's a whole other kettle of fish.
Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. Cardinal Kirjava - Redeclaring the Crusade in the name of the Goddess since 2012. /S¦¦GùòGÇ+GÇ+GùòS¦¦\ |

NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises Project Wildfire
490
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Posted - 2013.05.08 01:50:00 -
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Kirjava wrote:At the risk of being very unpopular....
This holds true across the spectrum with people being fundamentally broken by their parents. Reading the childhood of the Norwegian mass shooter Anders Breivik.... Seems that that entire thing could have been avoided if his far more mentally stable and reliable father (a diplomat in the Norwegian civil service) been awarded custody over his mother. I'm fairly certain the details aren't for on these forums, but even a cursory glance its a wonder he didn't snap sooner.
Because of the extremely sensitive subject, please keep in mind this is my own opinions and guesses, and is not ment to criticise anyones opinions or views. Its simply ment to express my own thoughts around the subject
I will not say that his upbringing did not affect him or what he did, but i would not blame it all on it. There is people out there that grow up in a stable home with loving parents, good family relationship, good friends and on the outside, not a care in the world.
These people can still snap.
But it makes everyone (including the family im guessing) feel...better being able to point to something and say "This! This right here can have caused it!" You dont need any real proof of it but as long as you have that straw to hang onto, it can help support you trough a rough time.
I will use an example to explain it a bit better. When i was a teenager my brother had a friend that was in his early 20's. Good family, good grades, known for the fact that he was always happy and friendly to everyone. No one would have suspected that he could be suffering from any mental disorders, including depressions. He had been out drinking the night before, came home and fell asleep on the couch. He was supposed to take care of the farm that day. His father woke up and (please keep in mind that i can only judge by what i have been told) his father basically "rolled" him off the couch. From what i have been told they think he might have hit his head on the table next to the couch. He went out and did his work, went back inside a couple of hours later and shot him self. To this day both his family and friends are clinging on to the idea that maybe he was just a bit out of it..a combination of being hungover and the hit in the head,because it gives the whole thing a..reason..something to blame. But then again, there is no way to know for sure.
But then you have other people who grow up in the worst imaginable homes,with bad violent parent(s), abuse, drug addicts, mental abuse and no direction or confirmation that they are worth something beyond a punching bag. Some of these people can go from a situation like that, that would ruin most people, and they come out on the other side and create a good and stable life for them self and people around them.
Mental illnesses is simply... not a thing that you can find a reason for that is "true" in all or most cases. Is it possible that someone like Breivik would not have done what he did if he grew up with his father? Sure. Is there a chance he would not have done it if child care had actually taken him away when they where advised to do so? Of course there is. But there is also a chance that it would not have made any difference at all, and he would still have ended up doing something like this.
What happened to that woman and the boy in the article is terrible, and the father and family will spend years trying to figure out what they did wrong and what they could have done differently. But in the long run...He would most likely have snapped at some point anyway, no matter what they had changed. Phoibe Enterprises official recruitment thread The Eve Reader - -áAudio Recordings of Eve Chronicles
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Zeko Rena
ENCOM Industries
603
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Posted - 2013.05.08 01:55:00 -
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Video games are not the problem, but if they banned CoD I would not weep, I would cheer. |
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