No

The location shown in the scanner can be wildly different from the actual location of the signature. It's an approximation which probably gets better with signal strength.

I just installed Singularity to test out the new Discovery Scanner and I had a few questions.

The Discovery Scanner shows signatures as well as anomalies. I was wondering if this was instant or if there is a delay from a new signature spawning and it appearing on the scanner.

If it is instant I think that would take a huge element of mystery out of wormholes. One of the biggest draws is that you never know who could be possibly watching you, even if you have all of your statics and incoming holes picketed, since there's a chance that someone can just open up into you. I think it would be a great idea if CCP put in a delay (an hour or so) from signatures appearing on the Discovery Scanner so people who are actively scanning with probes still have the advantage over those who are passively scanning with the Discovery Scanner.

But the difference with the discovery scanner is it seems that it can be used similar to the directional scanner to search for threats.You would be able to spam the scanner, and at the instant a new wh sig shows up, warp to safety, no?

But the difference with the discovery scanner is it seems that it can be used similar to the directional scanner to search for threats.You would be able to spam the scanner, and at the instant a new wh sig shows up, warp to safety, no?

What's the difference to cycling your probes? You'll see new sigs, ships and with a wider range than dscan.

With probes you can instantly start probing the new sig, and instead warping to safety you can warp to the new wh.

With cycling probes you need to:

A: Have a probe launcher on your ship or be forced to use an alt
B: Make sure you have full coverage on the hole if you dont have DSPs
C: Click the scan button on your main and alt every 10 or so seconds (which may be harder if you have a limited number of screens)

But with the new Discovery Scanner you don't need to do any of that. You don't need Astrometrics V, you don't need an alt, you don't need to press any buttons. Instead of working for real time intel using a variety of methods/characters it is now just handed to you on your screen. You may think this is tedious, but in all honesty, perfect real time intel should be tedious to acquire.

The Discovery Scanner as it is now will lead to an overall safer experience for WH residents, and screw everything about that.

With cycling probes you need to:

A: Have a probe launcher on your ship or be forced to use an alt
B: Make sure you have full coverage on the hole if you dont have DSPs
C: Click the scan button on your main and alt every 10 or so seconds (which may be harder if you have a limited number of screens)

The Discovery Scanner as it is now will lead to an overall safer experience for WH residents, and screw everything about that.

A) Implying anyone would be in a wormhole without probe launcher, or scouts in fleet, this is not going to change
B) So?
C) 5 seconds, and it's easy to do with just one screen. I agree if the Discovery scanner is automatic, it is easier.

The location shown in the scanner can be wildly different from the actual location of the signature. It's an approximation which probably gets better with signal strength.

There is no such mystery in wormholes, everyone has probes out and new signature will be noticed immediately.

Discovery Scanner changes nothing in this regard, and people will still use probes, because the discovery scanner is just an extra step for finding out sigs.

And that it can be set to repeat also I believe. Seems like it's making everything too safe in wormholes.

And that it can be set to repeat also I believe. Seems like it's making everything too safe in wormholes.

Let me ask you in all the times you jumped into someone's wormhole and ended up killing them, what's the percentage of times that they had probes out already on dscan?

As a side note, corp bookmarks made WH space safer and easier, and downtime sig name change made things a lot easier. Discovery Scanner is not significant compared to these.

Some people being stupid and bad doesn't have anything to do with safety. I'm just saying that Discovery Scanner doesn't increase safety in wormholes, you can see new sigs (and ships, which is even better)with current mechanics when they spawn.

i remember one time, i deleted the bookmarks home, and renamed others pointing to hostile holes as "home", boy did our returning haulers have fun with that.

Some people being stupid and bad doesn't have anything to do with safety. I'm just saying that Discovery Scanner doesn't increase safety in wormholes, you can see new sigs (and ships, which is even better)with current mechanics when they spawn.

I bet you had fun when your CEO kicked you out of corp also. :)

Some people being stupid and bad doesn't have anything to do with safety. I'm just saying that Discovery Scanner doesn't increase safety in wormholes, you can see new sigs (and ships, which is even better)with current mechanics when they spawn.

Yep, a DSP outside dscan range.

but yeah, i wasnt kicked, they were kinda like "dafuq is wrong with you" though.

And how many of the people that you've killed have had that out as well (just asking you to estimate).

No idea, it's not visible on scan

Your estimate is as good as mine, mate

I know I've never been surprised when I've had probes out.

This is exactly my point. Now no one will be surprised since everyone will have the intel automatically. Is that what you want wormholes to be for everyone? Yourself and your targets?

I just installed Singularity to test out the new Discovery Scanner and I had a few questions.

The Discovery Scanner shows signatures as well as anomalies. I was wondering if this was instant or if there is a delay from a new signature spawning and it appearing on the scanner.

If it is instant I think that would take a huge element of mystery out of wormholes. One of the biggest draws is that you never know who could be possibly watching you, even if you have all of your statics and incoming holes picketed, since there's a chance that someone can just open up into you. I think it would be a great idea if CCP put in a delay (an hour or so) from signatures appearing on the Discovery Scanner so people who are actively scanning with probes still have the advantage over those who are passively scanning with the Discovery Scanner.

This is exactly my point. Now no one will be surprised since everyone will have the intel automatically. Is that what you want wormholes to be for everyone? Yourself and your targets?

No, I don't think anything in the whole scanning system should be changed in anyway, except redesign of dscan interface.

All I'm saying that equal level of real safety is already available to everyone, using current mechanics -> Discovery Scanner does not increase safety, it makes keeping your butt safe easier.

Confirming, you will never catch anyone in a WH with this new discovery scanner. Just like you never catch anyone ratting/mining in 0.0 with the local chat, right?

I didn't say that. But I doubt many people want wormholes to become as safe as null.

I don't think the scanner is working on Singularity as it will in the final version. At least I hope not. I like the idea of being able to activate your scanner just from your hud and see the results visually. But it runs automatically every time you undock or jump into system. Don't get me wrong the effect looks nice, but it will get boring very quickly like that.

And besides people should have to consciously make the decision to activate the scan, not have it spoon fed to them every time they undock/ come through a gate.

And where does this rumor of "safe as null" even come from? There are plenty of ratters/miners/missionrunners killed in null everyday.

Confirming, you will never catch anyone in a WH with this new discovery scanner. Just like you never catch anyone ratting/mining in 0.0 with the local chat, right?

It does not show ship signatures or similar. Only PVE sites are being shown.

Just going to point this out, as per this post



I doubt the scanner will break wormhole space. The question will be if new K162s are shown or not. This could easily be remedied by making them only visible to actual probing.

There is no such mystery in wormholes, everyone has probes out and new signature will be noticed immediately.

Discovery Scanner changes nothing in this regard, and people will still use probes, because the discovery scanner is just an extra step for finding out sigs.

It does not show ship signatures or similar. Only PVE sites are being shown.