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Van Kuzco
Stryker Industries Ocularis Inferno
60
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Posted - 2013.05.09 02:10:00 -
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I just installed Singularity to test out the new Discovery Scanner and I had a few questions.
The Discovery Scanner shows signatures as well as anomalies. I was wondering if this was instant or if there is a delay from a new signature spawning and it appearing on the scanner.
If it is instant I think that would take a huge element of mystery out of wormholes. One of the biggest draws is that you never know who could be possibly watching you, even if you have all of your statics and incoming holes picketed, since there's a chance that someone can just open up into you. I think it would be a great idea if CCP put in a delay (an hour or so) from signatures appearing on the Discovery Scanner so people who are actively scanning with probes still have the advantage over those who are passively scanning with the Discovery Scanner. |

Akali Kuvakei
Eclipse Navy. Test Alliance Please Ignore
9
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Posted - 2013.05.09 04:57:00 -
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No
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
4909
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Posted - 2013.05.09 05:01:00 -
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The location shown in the scanner can be wildly different from the actual location of the signature. It's an approximation which probably gets better with signal strength. |

Van Kuzco
Stryker Industries Ocularis Inferno
60
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Posted - 2013.05.09 06:48:00 -
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That's good to hear. Has anyone figured out what the delay is?
James Amril-Kesh wrote:The location shown in the scanner can be wildly different from the actual location of the signature. It's an approximation which probably gets better with signal strength.
Yeah I noticed that when I was scanning a few things down. Although my issue wasn't with how accurate the location is, but rather if it showed up instantly. |

Roime
Shiva Furnace
2714
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Posted - 2013.05.09 07:41:00 -
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Van Kuzco wrote:I just installed Singularity to test out the new Discovery Scanner and I had a few questions.
The Discovery Scanner shows signatures as well as anomalies. I was wondering if this was instant or if there is a delay from a new signature spawning and it appearing on the scanner.
If it is instant I think that would take a huge element of mystery out of wormholes. One of the biggest draws is that you never know who could be possibly watching you, even if you have all of your statics and incoming holes picketed, since there's a chance that someone can just open up into you. I think it would be a great idea if CCP put in a delay (an hour or so) from signatures appearing on the Discovery Scanner so people who are actively scanning with probes still have the advantage over those who are passively scanning with the Discovery Scanner.
There is no such mystery in wormholes, everyone has probes out and new signature will be noticed immediately.
Discovery Scanner changes nothing in this regard, and people will still use probes, because the discovery scanner is just an extra step for finding out sigs.
-á- All I really wanted was to build a castle among the stars - |

Marcus Druallis
Deception Fades B O R G
2
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Posted - 2013.05.09 10:37:00 -
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But the difference with the discovery scanner is it seems that it can be used similar to the directional scanner to search for threats.You would be able to spam the scanner, and at the instant a new wh sig shows up, warp to safety, no? |

Van Kuzco
Stryker Industries Ocularis Inferno
60
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Posted - 2013.05.09 10:41:00 -
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Marcus Druallis wrote:But the difference with the discovery scanner is it seems that it can be used similar to the directional scanner to search for threats.You would be able to spam the scanner, and at the instant a new wh sig shows up, warp to safety, no?
And that it can be set to repeat also I believe. Seems like it's making everything too safe in wormholes. |

Arduemont
Rotten Legion Ops
1432
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Posted - 2013.05.09 11:09:00 -
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I don't think the scanner is working on Singularity as it will in the final version. At least I hope not. I like the idea of being able to activate your scanner just from your hud and see the results visually. But it runs automatically every time you undock or jump into system. Don't get me wrong the effect looks nice, but it will get boring very quickly like that.
And besides people should have to consciously make the decision to activate the scan, not have it spoon fed to them every time they undock/ come through a gate. "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." |

Roime
Shiva Furnace
2718
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Posted - 2013.05.09 11:16:00 -
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Marcus Druallis wrote:But the difference with the discovery scanner is it seems that it can be used similar to the directional scanner to search for threats.You would be able to spam the scanner, and at the instant a new wh sig shows up, warp to safety, no?
What's the difference to cycling your probes? You'll see new sigs, ships and with a wider range than dscan.
With probes you can instantly start probing the new sig, and instead warping to safety you can warp to the new wh.
-á- All I really wanted was to build a castle among the stars - |

Van Kuzco
Stryker Industries Ocularis Inferno
60
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Posted - 2013.05.09 11:38:00 -
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Roime wrote:Marcus Druallis wrote:But the difference with the discovery scanner is it seems that it can be used similar to the directional scanner to search for threats.You would be able to spam the scanner, and at the instant a new wh sig shows up, warp to safety, no? What's the difference to cycling your probes? You'll see new sigs, ships and with a wider range than dscan. With probes you can instantly start probing the new sig, and instead warping to safety you can warp to the new wh.
With cycling probes you need to:
A: Have a probe launcher on your ship or be forced to use an alt B: Make sure you have full coverage on the hole if you dont have DSPs C: Click the scan button on your main and alt every 10 or so seconds (which may be harder if you have a limited number of screens)
But with the new Discovery Scanner you don't need to do any of that. You don't need Astrometrics V, you don't need an alt, you don't need to press any buttons. Instead of working for real time intel using a variety of methods/characters it is now just handed to you on your screen. You may think this is tedious, but in all honesty, perfect real time intel should be tedious to acquire.
The Discovery Scanner as it is now will lead to an overall safer experience for WH residents, and screw everything about that. |

Marcus Druallis
Deception Fades B O R G
2
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Posted - 2013.05.09 11:47:00 -
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Van Kuzco wrote:Roime wrote:Marcus Druallis wrote:But the difference with the discovery scanner is it seems that it can be used similar to the directional scanner to search for threats.You would be able to spam the scanner, and at the instant a new wh sig shows up, warp to safety, no? What's the difference to cycling your probes? You'll see new sigs, ships and with a wider range than dscan. With probes you can instantly start probing the new sig, and instead warping to safety you can warp to the new wh. With cycling probes you need to: A: Have a probe launcher on your ship or be forced to use an alt B: Make sure you have full coverage on the hole if you dont have DSPs C: Click the scan button on your main and alt every 10 or so seconds (which may be harder if you have a limited number of screens) But with the new Discovery Scanner you don't need to do any of that. You don't need Astrometrics V, you don't need an alt, you don't need to press any buttons. Instead of working for real time intel using a variety of methods/characters it is now just handed to you on your screen. You may think this is tedious, but in all honesty, perfect real time intel should be tedious to acquire. The Discovery Scanner as it is now will lead to an overall safer experience for WH residents, and screw everything about that.
What this guy said. It's a real shame that one of the freshest, most fun areas of EVE is quickly losing the one factor that made it interesting: the unknown. |

Roime
Shiva Furnace
2718
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Posted - 2013.05.09 11:56:00 -
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Van Kuzco wrote:
With cycling probes you need to:
A: Have a probe launcher on your ship or be forced to use an alt B: Make sure you have full coverage on the hole if you dont have DSPs C: Click the scan button on your main and alt every 10 or so seconds (which may be harder if you have a limited number of screens)
A) Implying anyone would be in a wormhole without probe launcher, or scouts in fleet, this is not going to change B) So? C) 5 seconds, and it's easy to do with just one screen. I agree if the Discovery scanner is automatic, it is easier.
Quote:The Discovery Scanner as it is now will lead to an overall safer experience for WH residents, and screw everything about that.
Easier, safety is not changing at all.
-á- All I really wanted was to build a castle among the stars - |

Roime
Shiva Furnace
2718
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Posted - 2013.05.09 12:00:00 -
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As a side note, corp bookmarks made WH space safer and easier, and downtime sig name change made things a lot easier. Discovery Scanner is not significant compared to these.
-á- All I really wanted was to build a castle among the stars - |

Rengerel en Distel
Amarr Science and Industry
1404
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Posted - 2013.05.09 12:47:00 -
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They have a feedback thread in the test forum, perhaps you can give your feedback there ...
With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.
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Van Kuzco
Stryker Industries Ocularis Inferno
61
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Posted - 2013.05.09 18:07:00 -
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Roime wrote: A) Implying anyone would be in a wormhole without probe launcher, or scouts in fleet, this is not going to change B) So? C) 5 seconds, and it's easy to do with just one screen. I agree if the Discovery scanner is automatic, it is easier.
Let me ask you in all the times you jumped into someone's wormhole and ended up killing them, what's the percentage of times that they had probes out already on dscan? |

Anton Menges Saddat
EXPCS Corp SpaceMonkey's Alliance
16
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Posted - 2013.05.09 18:15:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:The location shown in the scanner can be wildly different from the actual location of the signature. It's an approximation which probably gets better with signal strength. you know you're one of my favorite forum posters right?
<3 |

Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
3677
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Posted - 2013.05.09 19:03:00 -
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Wormhole Dweller Elitism thread detected. Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |

Draqone an'Alreigh
EVE University Ivy League
20
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Posted - 2013.05.09 19:08:00 -
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But.... wouldn't the new probe setup thingybob also make it easier/faster to scan down ships? (not a WH resident) |

Rebecha Pucontis
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
293
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Posted - 2013.05.09 19:55:00 -
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Roime wrote:Van Kuzco wrote:I just installed Singularity to test out the new Discovery Scanner and I had a few questions.
The Discovery Scanner shows signatures as well as anomalies. I was wondering if this was instant or if there is a delay from a new signature spawning and it appearing on the scanner.
If it is instant I think that would take a huge element of mystery out of wormholes. One of the biggest draws is that you never know who could be possibly watching you, even if you have all of your statics and incoming holes picketed, since there's a chance that someone can just open up into you. I think it would be a great idea if CCP put in a delay (an hour or so) from signatures appearing on the Discovery Scanner so people who are actively scanning with probes still have the advantage over those who are passively scanning with the Discovery Scanner. There is no such mystery in wormholes, everyone has probes out and new signature will be noticed immediately. Discovery Scanner changes nothing in this regard, and people will still use probes, because the discovery scanner is just an extra step for finding out sigs.
Obviously someone who doesnt understand WHs. As the OP mentioned K162s will open only when the people on the other side jump through for the first time. The discovery scanner will pick this up instantly now, so is much more effective than having to setup probes to discover new signatures which appear.
I don't think it will make too much difference though as once the possible enemies have jumped through you won't have much time to react or close the WH anyway. So in essence, I wouldn't worry about it OP. |

Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
1829
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Posted - 2013.05.09 20:03:00 -
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Van Kuzco wrote:Marcus Druallis wrote:But the difference with the discovery scanner is it seems that it can be used similar to the directional scanner to search for threats.You would be able to spam the scanner, and at the instant a new wh sig shows up, warp to safety, no? And that it can be set to repeat also I believe. Seems like it's making everything too safe in wormholes. Except probes are not needed to find grav sites. So having the sigs show up with the discovery scanner is actually a balancing change. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |

silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
1655
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Posted - 2013.05.09 20:10:00 -
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Van Kuzco wrote:Marcus Druallis wrote:But the difference with the discovery scanner is it seems that it can be used similar to the directional scanner to search for threats.You would be able to spam the scanner, and at the instant a new wh sig shows up, warp to safety, no? And that it can be set to repeat also I believe. Seems like it's making everything too safe in wormholes. I hope not. That would make me a sad puppy. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Didn't vote? Then you voted for NulBloc |

Roime
Shiva Furnace
2731
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Posted - 2013.05.09 21:03:00 -
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Van Kuzco wrote:Roime wrote: A) Implying anyone would be in a wormhole without probe launcher, or scouts in fleet, this is not going to change B) So? C) 5 seconds, and it's easy to do with just one screen. I agree if the Discovery scanner is automatic, it is easier.
Let me ask you in all the times you jumped into someone's wormhole and ended up killing them, what's the percentage of times that they had probes out already on dscan?
Some people being stupid and bad doesn't have anything to do with safety. I'm just saying that Discovery Scanner doesn't increase safety in wormholes, you can see new sigs (and ships, which is even better)with current mechanics when they spawn.
-á- All I really wanted was to build a castle among the stars - |

Nariya Kentaya
Always Negative.
583
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Posted - 2013.05.09 22:05:00 -
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Roime wrote:As a side note, corp bookmarks made WH space safer and easier, and downtime sig name change made things a lot easier. Discovery Scanner is not significant compared to these.
LOL, yeah sure.
before corp bookmarks you at least had to make your own bookmarks often enough and you knew they were right, post-corp bookmarks you only need 1 person to make everyone's bookmarks, and oftentimes they are an idiot, or a troll.
i remember one time, i deleted the bookmarks home, and renamed others pointing to hostile holes as "home", boy did our returning haulers have fun with that. |

Nariya Kentaya
Always Negative.
583
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Posted - 2013.05.09 22:08:00 -
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Roime wrote:Van Kuzco wrote:Roime wrote: A) Implying anyone would be in a wormhole without probe launcher, or scouts in fleet, this is not going to change B) So? C) 5 seconds, and it's easy to do with just one screen. I agree if the Discovery scanner is automatic, it is easier.
Let me ask you in all the times you jumped into someone's wormhole and ended up killing them, what's the percentage of times that they had probes out already on dscan? Some people being stupid and bad doesn't have anything to do with safety. I'm just saying that Discovery Scanner doesn't increase safety in wormholes, you can see new sigs (and ships, which is even better)with current mechanics when they spawn. But whats happeneing is the people whoa r estupid and bad no longer have to suffer for it as much, sicne part of the job they should have been doing themselves is now handled on auto-repeat by the game.
next thing you know, they wil have D-scan on auto-update with a big "GTFO" on screen anytime a new sig appears on scan.
This is one of the reasons im also against the new probing style, yes it was "needless" tedium, but that tedium meant only a "smart" (as in common sense) few did it, and the rest would have the consequences. im just saying, alot of CCP's changes cater to the impatient and incompetent crowds. |

Rebecha Pucontis
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
297
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Posted - 2013.05.09 22:23:00 -
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Nariya Kentaya wrote:i remember one time, i deleted the bookmarks home, and renamed others pointing to hostile holes as "home", boy did our returning haulers have fun with that. I bet you had fun when your CEO kicked you out of corp also. :)
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Van Kuzco
Stryker Industries Ocularis Inferno
62
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Posted - 2013.05.10 01:43:00 -
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Roime wrote:Van Kuzco wrote:Roime wrote: A) Implying anyone would be in a wormhole without probe launcher, or scouts in fleet, this is not going to change B) So? C) 5 seconds, and it's easy to do with just one screen. I agree if the Discovery scanner is automatic, it is easier.
Let me ask you in all the times you jumped into someone's wormhole and ended up killing them, what's the percentage of times that they had probes out already on dscan? Some people being stupid and bad doesn't have anything to do with safety. I'm just saying that Discovery Scanner doesn't increase safety in wormholes, you can see new sigs (and ships, which is even better)with current mechanics when they spawn.
It does though. It increases the safety for the stupid and bad players (myself included at times). It's the equivalent of giving everyone a DSP that autoscans without having to even fit a probe launcher or train any skills. |

Nariya Kentaya
Always Negative.
586
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Posted - 2013.05.10 01:50:00 -
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Rebecha Pucontis wrote:Nariya Kentaya wrote:i remember one time, i deleted the bookmarks home, and renamed others pointing to hostile holes as "home", boy did our returning haulers have fun with that. I bet you had fun when your CEO kicked you out of corp also. :) kicked? never been kicked out of anything. The CEO logged on like once in a never in that old alliance (and yeah i say alliance, had a alliane leader who insisted on de facto control voer everything down to individual corp level, needless to say after almost a year in there, i left with several directors and whatnot to make our own group).
but yeah, i wasnt kicked, they were kinda like "dafuq is wrong with you" though. |

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
2745
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Posted - 2013.05.10 01:52:00 -
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The new scanner will be a boon to rapid combat probe drops.
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Marcus Druallis
Deception Fades B O R G
4
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Posted - 2013.05.10 02:57:00 -
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Roime wrote:Van Kuzco wrote:Roime wrote: A) Implying anyone would be in a wormhole without probe launcher, or scouts in fleet, this is not going to change B) So? C) 5 seconds, and it's easy to do with just one screen. I agree if the Discovery scanner is automatic, it is easier.
Let me ask you in all the times you jumped into someone's wormhole and ended up killing them, what's the percentage of times that they had probes out already on dscan? Some people being stupid and bad doesn't have anything to do with safety. I'm just saying that Discovery Scanner doesn't increase safety in wormholes, you can see new sigs (and ships, which is even better)with current mechanics when they spawn.
So, being completely 100% honest here.
Every time you are in WH space running a site, you have probes out covering the entire expanse of the system and run a scan every ten seconds?
Be honest. |

Roime
Shiva Furnace
2736
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Posted - 2013.05.10 05:48:00 -
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Yep, a DSP outside dscan range.
-á- All I really wanted was to build a castle among the stars - |
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