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RougeOperator
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Posted - 2011.10.19 19:49:00 -
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CCP Manifest wrote: We stand behind our decisions and trust that it will ultimately bring you, the EVE community, a better game.
Yeah can you maybe get someone new to make the decisions you stand behind? I think it will do CCP a world of good.
I cant see why you trust decisions that drive you off cliff into the Atlantic in winter? |
RougeOperator
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Posted - 2011.10.19 21:13:00 -
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RougeOperator wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:
It is the fault of those who decided to make EVE into their cash cow for other projects, and now others will get fired because of their stupid decisions. It has nothing to do with the eve community.
This sums it up. The idiots blaming the community seem to be the typical neurologically challenged CCP sycophants that seem to materialize every time CCP does something really stupid. We understand layoffs. But we question the methodology in what and who. And fairly so.
Now someone tell me WHY hilmar still has a job? |
RougeOperator
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Posted - 2011.10.20 12:03:00 -
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#1Posted: 2011.10.20 00:57 | Report
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I'm at a loss to understand how you could back-stab the very people that kept your main cash source going all the years you were allocating resources to OTHER projects and neglecting EvE.
The community team Kept you rolling in cash all the years you ignored many issues in the game. And gave use nothing substantial content wise.
The PR damn that they built was broken not by them but by the atrocity that was the nex store and INCARCERATIONS one room. And Hilmars fat ego put on parade for all to see like the emperor with new cloths that it was.
And even then they were slowly rebuilding CCPs REP. Only for CCP to take them out back and shoot them for their efforts.
Im just at a loss for how you can make so many bad decisions one after another and take it out on the very people that kept those bad decisions from causing major damage.
Incarceration was just too big a flop for them to be able to manage. But that's not their fault. It was like asking them to stop a tidal wave with an umbrella.
We can understand the layoff of devs on WOD. But the very communication team we depend on? When you just said you would try to communicate with us more? Take the people we have built a relationship with over years and **** can them? Are you now going to try to replace them with someone we have no relationship with?
Its like the world is upside down and inside out on Iceland.
Bad form CCP. Bad form indeed. |
RougeOperator
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Posted - 2011.10.20 12:19:00 -
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And they LOCKED the threads voicing discontent saying they all should be in one thread. Fascism seems too be the new way of communication with the players.
Some of those threads were talking about very different aspects of this.
They are forcing discussion into one thread to keep people from talking about what just happened.
Baloney CCP. |
RougeOperator
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Posted - 2011.10.20 13:04:00 -
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Galies wrote:Yes, lock all other threads, and the dont say anything to us in more than 10 pages. I can understand CCP doesnt want to read a lot of rage posts, but some of are trying to remain calm and be civil hoping for a response. Come on CCP, please dont let us down, keep us in the loop.
This just makes CCP seem even MORE out of touch with the players.
Many of the threads that were locked should not have been. They are just trying to crush the players complaints.
The putting it all in one thread is done to water down discussion and make it possible to drown out good points. Forcing them into a thread-naught makes it easier to ignore them since people wont want to read 40 pages to find the good points that might have been topic starters.
We arnt stupid CCP. trollish at times yes. but not actually stupid as a player base. |
RougeOperator
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Posted - 2011.10.20 13:35:00 -
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My accounts time will run out.
The only way to get me to put my money back into EvE is if they let go of Hilmar. There are more they a few that think this way now. His apology felt like a PR stunt to me. This latest gambit shows that it was just that in my opinion. Empty words.
They are focusing on EvE after crapping all over it for years. Not because its the right thing to do, but because it became necessity.
If they hadn't paid the core product lip service they would not be in this position to begin with. Its clear they have a bad leader. To get the company on the right track said person needs to go.
Honestly he should have stepped down when you put the letter out. |
RougeOperator
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Posted - 2011.10.20 13:56:00 -
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Slade Trillgon wrote:I said in the other thread on this topic that there are usually more creative options then having to lay people off. Someone mentioned a flat cut across the board for all employees. Someone responded that upper management may have already done that. Unfortunately there is no confirmation from CCP on this assumption. I will not go into other said hypothetical areas of reduction but I am sure they are there and I will also ASSUME at this point that they have not been targeted and looked at as it would have been smart to list those as areas that have been cut so as to avert bad PR back lash.......... oh wait  Slade
What I want to know is why a man, Hilmar, that the community finds polarizing and many dislike so much is still at the helm. They cannot be this deaf to the players in CCP upper management. Unless those claims of them being tight and downright incestuous that nepotism trumps what is best for the company is true.
The again the past examples of how they handle employee scandalous situations speaks volumes. |
RougeOperator
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Posted - 2011.10.20 14:38:00 -
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Galies wrote:RougeOperator wrote:My accounts time will run out.
The only way to get me to put my money back into EvE is if they let go of Hilmar. There are more then a few that think this way now. His apology felt like a PR stunt to me. This latest gambit shows that it was just that in my opinion. Empty words.
They are focusing on EvE after crapping all over it for years. Not because its the right thing to do, but because it became necessity.
If they hadn't paid the core product lip service they would not be in this position to begin with. Its clear they have a bad leader. To get the company on the right track said person needs to go.
Honestly he should have stepped down when you put the letter out. I wouldnt reccomend this as the first course of action for anybody. Eve is a phenominal game, but lets also remember that Hilmar has been running things for quite some time, and has actually done a decent enough job for the most part. What i would believe is, that we, as customers, do deserve answers. DO we need the HR records for CCP? No. Do we need to have every item, ship, and game mechanic that is planned for the next 2 years, given to us on a timetable? No. What we need are answers that assure us that CCP management, AS A WHOLE, have the game, and us customers, in mind in every decision they make. This is Hilmars baby as much as ours. To quote someone else, "we bring the sand, Hilmar brought the box". I would not say that i am leaving if he doesnt step down. What i would suggest is that if we havent recieved the answers that assure us the game is alive and well, and have SEEN management taking steps to deliver on their promises, a date is set where a major portion of people simply unsub.
upon reflection I dont think you can call half assing your way along and ignoring 6 years of bugs, abandoning content left and right and other glaring issues a good job. The game was kept going by the community not Hilmar. Then he as a course of action decided he new better then the community as was clear in his EMAIL he thinks little of the players. That was more honest then his hallow apology.
I think you might be giving him credit he does not actually deserve. I honestly think it was the players that kept eve going. The subs growing was due to people like me telling all my buddies to play.
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RougeOperator
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Posted - 2011.10.20 15:32:00 -
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Inficant wrote:RougeOperator wrote:I think you might be giving him credit he does not actually deserve. I honestly think it was the players that kept eve going. The subs growing was due to people like me telling all my buddies to play.
The Game, IS THE COMMUNITY. You got your buddies to play because CCP created a great game. Hilmar and his team created that game that you thought was worthy of you and your friends to play. Your friends played it, the community evolved, the game evolved, they got better hand in hand. IMO You cannot remove one from the other. CCP made some mistakes. They are trying to fix them with some very bitter tasting medicine. The next 6 months will tell us if the patient is responding to the medicine. This is a tough time for everyone at CCP and no one looks forward to reducing staff. It makes it harder for Hilmar to ask for funding later, it makes them look bad in the industry, they have to admit their failings, broadcast them and then ask people to show their friends the door. These are all signs that CCP is trying to improve, realign and refocus. We can second guess them all day, but we won't know whether it was right or wrong based on reading into a couple of blog posts. We won't know today or tomorrow whether it was appropriate, but we'll know in the next 6 months to 1 yr. I've been playing Eve for a long while and I want to play it in the future.
Dont ignore the first part of my post the leads into the second part. Trying to take it out of context is low.
Upon reflection I dont think you can call half assing your way along and ignoring 6 years of bugs, abandoning content left and right and other glaring issues a good job. The game was kept going by the community not Hilmar. Then he as a course of action decided he new better then the community as was clear in his EMAIL he thinks little of the players. That was more honest then his hollow apology.
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RougeOperator
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Posted - 2011.10.20 18:28:00 -
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Azelor Delaria wrote:
In all, it's bad business. Hilmar allowed his ego to inflate, and because of that 100 more people are looking for jobs in this ****** economy. Does a CCP employee want to get the **** off their "CCP IS AWESOME!!!!!" alt and actually answer, or should we expect another "emergency CSM summit" to deal with this, where we won't find out what actually happened for months, after CCP gets to redact everything and put words in their mouths?
I am surprised we have not seen another tidal wave of alts already. That was very hilarious last time. Or did they fire all the people they had alt post last time?
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RougeOperator
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Posted - 2011.10.20 18:51:00 -
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Kengutsi Akira wrote:Pak Narhoo wrote:RougeOperator wrote:And they LOCKED the threads voicing discontent saying they all should be in one thread. Fascism seems too be the new way of communication with the players.
Some of those threads were talking about very different aspects of this.
They are forcing discussion into one thread to keep people from talking about what just happened.
Baloney CCP. You need to realize that as of now there are only a few moderators around. Those who survived this round do have other functions to tend to then just monitoring, way too many forum topics. Putting all related stuff into one thread is the logical thing to do. Having had modern forum software all they had to do was check some checkboxes and *merge* one topic into another would had been even better. But hey, no need to talk here about how great these new forums are not. an dude, not the above but rogueoperator are you being serious that "this new wave of thread closings pointing to one thread" is the FIRST time youve seen this come from CCP? These guys are pretty much renowned for draconian forum tactics lol
This may be the first time some players have run into it. But I'm also highlighting its stupidity right after we were promised more open communication.
And pointing out that they did not mean a thing they said. And that hilmars apology is just more lip service and he never meant it.
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RougeOperator
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Posted - 2011.10.20 23:26:00 -
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Do the devs even remember how to code for EvE FiS anymore after 4 years of.....making one room? |
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