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RubyPorto
SniggWaffe
YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
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Posted - 2013.05.10 18:51:00 -
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LHA Tarawa wrote:Wacktopia wrote:Honestly there are so many thread about this and they always end the same way. It's virtually spam now. Yeah, it is SPAM... We industrialists should launch a coordinated campaign of SPAM until CCP wakes up and gives us SOME mechanism to counter the cloaky camper.
You mean, like Local? Yep, Local (plus D-Scan/Scan Probes, for the pedants) allows you to know that someone is cloaking in your system instantly (the confirmation that they're cloaked takes some extra time).
That information allows you to set a trap, or prepare yourself to escape.
1. Trap:
Knowing that they need to be in point range of you to guarantee kills, cloak a cyno Dictor or HIC on field, and bubble them when they land on their cyno, and in comes your fleet.
2. Escape: Drop a MLU for a Warp Core Stab (few cyno bombers fit scrams. If your local one does, fit 2). Or Spider Web your mining ships to allow you to be fully aligned while only barely moving. Or keep a fast locking Nado on hand to blap the cyno while your mining ships escape. If your local cloaky is not a bomber, then you have at least 5 seconds of warning before being tackled.
Anyway, miners are not industrialists. We call Andrew Carnegie and John D. Rockefeller Industrialists. We do not call Homer Hickam Sr. an Industrialist. We call him a miner. And there's nothing wrong with being a miner.
There is something wrong with being a miner who is unable to deal with nobody (since they're AFK) sitting in your system cloaked.
This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |
Din Chao
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Test Alliance Please Ignore
238
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Posted - 2013.05.10 18:53:00 -
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LHA Tarawa wrote:BadAssMcKill wrote:How many threads do we need about this One an hour, every hour, every day, until CCP fixes the lamest game mechanic in the history of MMOs. It is rock, paper, scissors, NUKE BOMB. 100 people sit in station or safed up at a POS, all lamenting that there is not a SINGLE F'N thing that can be done about ONE freakin' cloaky camper with a cyno, able to drop an infinite number of ships, with no warning.... A good game should provide a defense for every offense and an offense to every defense. There is no defense to the cloaky camper.
I totally want in on the corp with "an infinite number of ships." |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific
Initiative Mercenaries
1791
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Posted - 2013.05.10 18:54:00 -
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And this is what the anti-afk cloky people will see
RubyPorto wrote:effort
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific
Initiative Mercenaries
1791
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Posted - 2013.05.10 18:55:00 -
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Din Chao wrote:LHA Tarawa wrote:BadAssMcKill wrote:How many threads do we need about this One an hour, every hour, every day, until CCP fixes the lamest game mechanic in the history of MMOs. It is rock, paper, scissors, NUKE BOMB. 100 people sit in station or safed up at a POS, all lamenting that there is not a SINGLE F'N thing that can be done about ONE freakin' cloaky camper with a cyno, able to drop an infinite number of ships, with no warning.... A good game should provide a defense for every offense and an offense to every defense. There is no defense to the cloaky camper. I totally want in on the corp with "an infinite number of ships."
Hell, your in it! Banlish is really a DEV and can spawn Jove ships for DTHI at will. He did for me
:) |
J'Poll
Aegis Consolidated
2160
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Posted - 2013.05.10 18:58:00 -
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LifeHatesMe wrote:With the new patch just round the corner and mining/indy being a big part of it should ccp do something to cloaky ships to stop afk cloakys destroying the game?
defo something should be done.
yes +1
Wow...how obvious that a S2N renter says yes to anti cloaky things.
Grow some balls, protect your space and you won't have cloakies.
When a WoW player leaves to return to WoW, the avg. IQ of both games rises.
Request to CCP: Please patch stupidity out of the game for Winter 2013.
Professional Forum Thread locker. |
LifeHatesMe
SKULLDOGS
S2N Citizens
7
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Posted - 2013.05.10 18:59:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:And this is what the anti-afk cloky people will see RubyPorto wrote:effort
effort
effort
effort
effort
effort
effort
effort
effort
and the semi afk cloaky will see
no effort
no effort
no effort
no effort
no effort
no effort
no effort
no effort
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific
Initiative Mercenaries
1793
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Posted - 2013.05.10 19:01:00 -
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LifeHatesMe wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:And this is what the anti-afk cloky people will see RubyPorto wrote:effort
effort
effort
effort
effort
effort
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effort and the semi afk cloaky will see no effort no effort no effort no effort no effort no effort no effort no effort
and while he's "no efforting", he can't do anything else with that account, while I'm several systems away destroying yet another Blood Raider Forsaken Hub lol.
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LifeHatesMe
SKULLDOGS
S2N Citizens
8
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Posted - 2013.05.10 19:10:00 -
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I love pvp
I got to grind isk to love my pvp..
all im saying is no ship should be able to cloak 24/7 |
Trendon Evenstar
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
190
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Posted - 2013.05.10 19:10:00 -
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LifeHatesMe wrote:With the new patch just round the corner and mining/indy being a big part of it should ccp do something to cloaky ships to stop afk cloakys destroying the game?
defo something should be done
You chose to be prey rather than a predator
citizen
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LifeHatesMe
SKULLDOGS
S2N Citizens
8
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Posted - 2013.05.10 19:14:00 -
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and what really happens
log in
its l8..
not many corp on..
**** cloaky cyno fooker is here again..
log off.. |
Din Chao
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Test Alliance Please Ignore
238
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Posted - 2013.05.10 19:15:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Din Chao wrote:LHA Tarawa wrote:BadAssMcKill wrote:How many threads do we need about this One an hour, every hour, every day, until CCP fixes the lamest game mechanic in the history of MMOs. It is rock, paper, scissors, NUKE BOMB. 100 people sit in station or safed up at a POS, all lamenting that there is not a SINGLE F'N thing that can be done about ONE freakin' cloaky camper with a cyno, able to drop an infinite number of ships, with no warning.... A good game should provide a defense for every offense and an offense to every defense. There is no defense to the cloaky camper. I totally want in on the corp with "an infinite number of ships." Hell, your in it! Banlish is really a DEV and can spawn Jove ships for DTHI at will. He did for me :)
Too bad he's always AFK... |
BoBoZoBo
Divine Beasts
Nite's Reign
222
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Posted - 2013.05.10 19:16:00 -
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This topic is why we need a DISLIKE button.
I will start to think about considering to support this "idea" when you can answer me these two questions:
1) How you know someone is AFK as opposed to really really patient?
2) How is a cloaked ship with no pilot a real unfair threat as opposed to something that just makes you feel insecure?
...GO
Primary Test Subject GÇó SmackTalker Elite |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific
Initiative Mercenaries
1795
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Posted - 2013.05.10 19:17:00 -
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LifeHatesMe wrote:and what really happens
log in
its l8..
not many corp on..
**** cloaky cyno fooker is here again..
log off..
awesome game ... loads of fun
You chose to log off, unless your corp chose to sign a stupid rental agreement, and thats their fault. because someone is doing something allowed by the game's EULA is disrupting your activity, that's no reason for CCP to change, it s reason for YOU to change brother, |
LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
635
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Posted - 2013.05.10 19:20:00 -
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BoBoZoBo wrote:This topic is why we need a DISLIKE button.
I will start to think about considering to support this "idea" when you can answer me these two questions:
1) How you know someone is AFK as opposed to really really patient?
2) How is a cloaked ship with no pilot a real unfair threat as opposed to something that just makes you feel insecure?
...GO
Which is why the OP is incorrect.
The issue is not with "AFK" cloaky, but rather with the cloaking mechanic, whether the pilot is AFK or not.
No ship in space should ever be totally safe. The cloaky camper violates this basic tenant of EVE. There is nothing that anyone can do ti find, decloak, and kill a cloaked ship that does not want to be found.
EVE is not EVE as long as the current cloak mechanics remain in place. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific
Initiative Mercenaries
1795
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Posted - 2013.05.10 19:22:00 -
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LifeHatesMe wrote:I love pvp
I got to grind isk to love my pvp..
all im saying is no ship should be able to cloak 24/7
The things you just said aren't related. That cloaky isn't preventing you from grinding.
For instance, if you log on and no one from your corp or alliance is on to help defend you against the hot drop, you are in the wrong corp or alliance.
If you have a rental agreement limiting you to one null sec system, you are in the wrong corp or alliance (a good rental agreement will at least let you explore "unclaimed" systems or systems claimed by the landlord alliance but with no station or upgrades).
Just because you can't figure out how to keep doing what you want despite oppostion is no reason to stop playing. I'm sorry if this is harsh, but if you can't counter cloaky ships in null sec, you should not be in null sec.
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific
Initiative Mercenaries
1795
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Posted - 2013.05.10 19:25:00 -
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LHA Tarawa wrote:BoBoZoBo wrote:This topic is why we need a DISLIKE button.
I will start to think about considering to support this "idea" when you can answer me these two questions:
1) How you know someone is AFK as opposed to really really patient?
2) How is a cloaked ship with no pilot a real unfair threat as opposed to something that just makes you feel insecure?
...GO Which is why the OP is incorrect. The issue is not with "AFK" cloaky, but rather with the cloaking mechanic, whether the pilot is AFK or not. No ship in space should ever be totally safe. The cloaky camper violates this basic tenant of EVE. There is nothing that anyone can do ti find, decloak, and kill a cloaked ship that does not want to be found. EVE is not EVE as long as the current cloak mechanics remain in place.
Basically incorrect. In the same way EVE has had npc corps for a long time, it's chad cloaky ships for a long time. In the sme way a docked ship can't be killed but cannot affect anyone else ini any way, a cloaked ship can't be found but cannot affect anyone in any way.
In a way, cloaking is just docking without benefit of a station lol.
As I've said, there s plenty you could do to counter the cloakys and hotdropper etc, you just choose not to because (like your hiding in npc corps to "mitigate non-consensual pvp danger"), you want to be handheld. EVE isn't about hand holding.
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LifeHatesMe
SKULLDOGS
S2N Citizens
10
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Posted - 2013.05.10 19:25:00 -
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BoBoZoBo wrote:This topic is why we need a DISLIKE button.
I will start to think about considering to support this "idea" when you can answer me these two questions:
1) How you know someone is AFK as opposed to really really patient?
2) How is a cloaked ship with no pilot a real unfair threat as opposed to something that just makes you feel insecure?
...GO
1.so someone is at there computer 24/7
2. cos that cloaked ship will light a cyno. then you got a blob on you that you can not allways do anything about..
no ship should be able to cloak 24/7
we are not all pro pvp in a massive corp...there are noobs/miners in game..
ive been playing this game for a long time..just cos I think 24/7 cloak is bad don't mean im a carebear...
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PotatoOverdose
SONS of LEGION
RISE of LEGION
128
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Posted - 2013.05.10 19:28:00 -
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Simple solution.
Cloak for more than 5 minutes in a system --> remove from local until decloak.
No one will ever complain about afk cloakers again.
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LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
636
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Posted - 2013.05.10 19:30:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:
Just because you can't figure out how to keep doing what you want despite oppostion is no reason to stop playing. I'm sorry if this is harsh, but if you can't counter cloaky ships in null sec, you should not be in null sec.
Which is why high sec should be kept the way it is. So all of those that don't want to be camped in by the most moronic game mechanic in the history of MMOs (the current cloaky mechanics) have a place to go.
And, if a cloaky in null can be perfectly safe, why not a mining barge in high sec?
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific
Initiative Mercenaries
1795
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Posted - 2013.05.10 19:30:00 -
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LifeHatesMe wrote:
we are not all pro pvp in a massive corp...there are noobs/miners in game..
I had a teacher in middle school who had a saying for things like this. Every time we would say something like the above about how we couldn't do something (when we really could). she'd say "well, that sounds like a personal problem".
This sounds like a personal problem. Personal problems should be solved by persons, not by game companies.
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LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
636
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Posted - 2013.05.10 19:31:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:Simple solution.
Cloak for more than 5 minutes in a system --> remove from local until decloak.
No one will ever complain about afk cloakers again.
Correct, because there would be no one in null that is not cloaked up. |
Seth Mortis
Lone Walker Corp
1
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Posted - 2013.05.10 19:31:00 -
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How about some minor changes to cloaking, like adding a very slow overheating to the module when in use. After all, cloaking means shutting down any emmissions. The biggest issue with any electric/electronic stuff or machinery in generall is the non wanted thermic emission. If ur cloaked u cant emit these into space. So a very slow overheating would be in check.
Which leads me to a different aproach. Add a second type of cloaking device. One that doesnt supress (aka accumulates) emissions, it completely shuts down evrything that could emmit anything. Aka put all ur modules offline. No overheating over time, but wozuld leave the cloaker vulnerable. Cos bringing al his modules back online would require a cap booster and some time.
Completely disallowing cloaky camping isnt the way to go, but it should come with a price or backside. |
LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
636
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Posted - 2013.05.10 19:33:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:
I had a teacher in middle school who had a saying for things like this. Every time we would say something like the above about how we couldn't do something (when we really could). she'd say "well, that sounds like a personal problem".
This sounds like a personal problem. Personal problems should be solved by persons, not by game companies.
So, if the ability to suicide gank was removed, and you wanted to suicide gank, would that be a personal problem, or a game mechanic problem? |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific
Initiative Mercenaries
1795
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Posted - 2013.05.10 19:33:00 -
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LHA Tarawa wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:
Just because you can't figure out how to keep doing what you want despite oppostion is no reason to stop playing. I'm sorry if this is harsh, but if you can't counter cloaky ships in null sec, you should not be in null sec.
Which is why high sec should be kept the way it is. So all of those that don't want to be camped in by the most moronic game mechanic in the history of MMOs (the current cloaky mechanics) have a place to go. And, if a cloaky in null can be perfectly safe, why not a mining barge in high sec?
Because the mining barge can do things like mine.
The cloaky can do nothing by move around very very slowly unless it's a covops or recon, then it can warp.
cloaking is like docking, and there is nothing to keep the mining barge from docking.
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Zephyrial
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.05.10 19:33:00 -
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LOL, been on hiatus for almost a year and just came back, and this is STILL an 'issue'?
And it seems that most mining ships are just about gank proof these days |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific
Initiative Mercenaries
1795
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Posted - 2013.05.10 19:34:00 -
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LHA Tarawa wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:
I had a teacher in middle school who had a saying for things like this. Every time we would say something like the above about how we couldn't do something (when we really could). she'd say "well, that sounds like a personal problem".
This sounds like a personal problem. Personal problems should be solved by persons, not by game companies.
So, if the ability to suicide gank was removed, and you wanted to suicide gank, would that be a personal problem, or a game mechanic problem?
It wouldn't be anything to me personally, except sad that EVE has strayed from it's roots, which have always (since launch) included non consensual pvp in all space (except noob systems).
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E-2C Hawkeye
State War Academy
Caldari State
187
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Posted - 2013.05.10 19:35:00 -
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Akrasjel Lanate wrote:Cloaking works as intended 
So did mining and they changed that. Here is how I see it. First I would like to say I have a miner and a cloaker both, I understand the uses and mechanic of each. People donGÇÖt want miners to be able to GÇ£AFKGÇ¥ mine so why should I be able to AFK cloak?
I run multi accounts and I will run a miner on a second account while I mission pvp etc. Because I can ice mine and unload when full many consider this to be AFK. I am sitting at my desk right? Not really AFK but people call it AFK. I can go put in a load of laundry grab a sandwich etcGǪ
On my cloaky I will leave in a system all night while I sleep not anywhere near my desk or computer just to mess with the locals. This is truly AFK.
If people want interaction with the game then it should be global. I should have to move or click something to remain cloaked. People should also be able to scan down a cloaker that is not active.
The difference I see is people that donGÇÖt mine but cloak want to have their cake and eat it too. The people that donGÇÖt mine want to have the change but donGÇÖt want their AFK cloaker touched.
I say if you do it for one do it for all.
Let the trolling begin.
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Onomerous
Shockwave Innovations
Shockwave Sovereign Industries
81
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Posted - 2013.05.10 19:35:00 -
[118] - Quote
I actually agree with the OP
How can we continue to allow NS to be so dangerous? The last thing EVE needs right now is for NS to be unsafe to undock. ;) |
LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
638
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Posted - 2013.05.10 19:35:00 -
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Seth Mortis wrote:
Completely disallowing cloaky camping isnt the way to go, but it should come with a price or backside.
The cloaky ship must be at risk, or EVE is not EVE.
THE KEY feature of EVE, I am told, is that no one is safe anywhere. So, the cloaky mechanics means EVE is not EVE. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific
Initiative Mercenaries
1795
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Posted - 2013.05.10 19:35:00 -
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Zephyrial wrote:LOL, been on hiatus for almost a year and just came back, and this is STILL an 'issue'?
Things that lazy people find inconveniencing will always be issues. it has been since the 1st ship cloaked in EVE lol.
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