Originally by: Draenor Thalander

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A small freighter would be very useful, even if it only had like 20,000 to 50,000 of space (as long as it could pick up jetcans).

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Originally by: CaptainSeafort

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yep, about 50km¦, and make it able to jetison in space, and do station->staion->pos stuff, make it useful, without affecting mining....much

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Originally by: Oz Draconis

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Signed!

I'd like to see a T2 big hauler with at least 50k m3 that can still be used for mining ops and a smaller freighter that is station to station only but at 1/3 the cost of a full sized freighter.

Call the T2 hauler a 'Heavy Industrial.' It should be an expensive ship.

I like the name 'Cargo Ship' to describe the mini-freighters.

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Originally by: Arte

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I think the following could be agreed on:


4. Skill requirements.
They should be in the region of the freighter skill requirements which I think is agreed would mean at least "industrial V". Whether it's a seperate "heavy cargo" skill or the same freighter skill requirements, it's agreed that it shouldn't be easy to get.

Anyone think different?

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Originally by: TheNecromancer

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disagree.

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Originally by: Arte

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Although I still think they should be hard to get training time wise. Perhaps Transport skills are enough, or an equivelent as you suggested?
Definatley at least industrial V though imo.

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Originally by: Smart Bomb

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T2 Industrial ships!!!

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Originally by: TotensBurntCorpse

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Originally by: SentryRaven

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P.S.: I wonder why I haven't seen any Faction Industrials in Game.... Sansha's Blood Hauler ??

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because it isnt sexy enough to be brought up in the development forums normally.

i have noticed that faction goodies all tend to revolve around the ability to blow stuff up.

why not faction indies, faction barges etc idont see why they arent in the game already

other than that it isnt considered to be desireable items to collect

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Originally by: TotensBurntCorpse

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IMHO - Free Trader for the win, make it a Freighter with a smaller appetite and ur all set.

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Originally by: Xavier Cross

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Modules: Speed: Cargo:
S - 0 70-80 M/s 15600.00 M3 (Slightly larger than a maxed out Iteron V)
M - 2
L - 0

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Originally by: Jetah

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<race> freighter level 1
advanced spaceship command 1
spaceship command 5
<race> industrial 5
<race> frigate 3
spaceship command 1
spaceship command 3

wholesale 1
retail 5
trade 2

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Originally by: BeethovenX

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Well my iterion 5 has now 30k+ m¦ of cargo space putted 3x 25.4% CE's 2x 27.7CE's, that made 23823CS and then i putted 7 giant cargo containers. so 23823+7x{(900)=the surplus of cargo you can carry whilst fitting a giant can)}23823+6300=30112 cargospace.

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Originally by: Brogan Dagarkin

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What about a freighter (as suggested in the initial post) with a 50-100 m3 range? Or even a 100-150 m3 range?

I think the jump between an Indy and a Freighter is just too great for those who have outgrown their Indy but cannot afford a freighter.

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Originally by: Spy4Hire

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IMO anything bigger than the current crop of 'industrials' (3k to 20k) should be unable to pick up cans 'in space' - this strictly to limit the abuse from mega- & macro miners.

Put in a mid tier Cargo Tug up in the range of 100k/m3 that can be loaded from POS, motherships, outposts, and of course stations. They can, however, jettison their cargo wherever needed.

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Not that i have read all this, but i would be nice to have something which could pick up the roar ore in 0.0 and bring it back to a refining station.

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Originally by: Solacia

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Originally by: Arleonenis

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i agree some small freighter with like 100k-200k m3 cargo and cost around 150-250m of isk would be great. Just station->station->POS
So it wouldnt be used in mining ops just in fueling of pos or some trading/medium hauling operations.
[...]to be more usefull in 0.0 pos fueling operations, oh and new ship model[...]

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And hence make regular freighters completely redundant

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Originally by: WhiskeyDP

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i still say no to "light freighters"

either fly big or stay small i say. its easy as it is to get the isk for a freighter

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Originally by: Marcus Right

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I'd like to see a new level of Cargo Ships ... Maybe a 20,000 to 30,000 that could pick up Jet Cans and a 40,000 to 100,000 that couldn't. Perhaps two new catigories so we can have two "mid ranges".

I don't understand why the ships under Logistics are under Logistics... isn't Logistics the movement of stuff? And Transport ship catigory is already covered.

Definately all in favor of these ideas.

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Originally by: Blind Fear

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They wont reply because its a bad idea.

You have freighters. They arent that expensive. If you cant afford them, try an I5.

If you make small, cheap freighters, the reason for the big freighters to exist is gone. This is, of course, ignoring the fact that an occator or an impel is basically a small freighter anyway.

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Originally by: Blind Fear

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I'll take 100 occators at 1m isk please. Let me know where the escrow is. Also, a freighter is not prohibitively expensive. Go grind some isk. Hell, you can sell most faction battleships for more then a freighter costs, go ***** up 600k LP, shouldnt take that long.

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Originally by: Ascelot

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Originally by: Rogen DarHeel

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they NEED to be able to scoop to cargo.

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Unfort, this would only benefit macro/afk miners, id want a small freighter to haul the serveral mill of trit from station to station.

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Originally by: Maya Rkell

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Yes, I bet you would. That's one of the major abuse factors. Sorry, I don't agree on greatly simiplifying your POS logistics further.

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Originally by: Rogen DarHeel

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welp "these ships" dont exist yet so yes.. they should be able to scoop to cargo. We already have the freither that can't so the cargo vessel should be able to. To all of a sudden have a cargo ship that doesnt behave like the cargo ships we are all use to using is just plan stupid. Not to mention that it makes the ship incredibly useless to the players that use that ship type the most.

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Originally by: SentryRaven

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I have had some thoughts on the huge difference between the best freighter (imo the Iteron Mark V) with about 17.000+ m¦ (I know... it depends on your cargo expanders..) and the actual freighter with 750.000m¦ of space.

I think the game would not suffer from another ship class being added to the game ("CARGO SHIP" ??) with about 100.000 m¦ or at lest 50.000m¦ of space. Limit it to the same abilities the normal freighter has, I wouldn't care... But to me as a large scale hauler and trader... The Iteron is too small and the freighter is too big and to expensive....

A nice cargo ship for the little man hauler and trader would be very nice... even if it cost 150M or 250M...

Anyone agree with me?

Edited Topic to be more eye appealing -Kaemonn

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Originally by: Vanye Inovske

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Originally by: Maya Rkell

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Edited by: Maya Rkell on 26/04/2006 01:33:18
Too small? It'd replace them utterly in 0.0.

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That's pretty funny. Freighters in 0.0 are almost always full. Right full. Biggest convoy I've seen had twenty freighters. That's something like 18 million cubic metres of cargo space, every bit of if being used. The mini-freighter being proposed would be quite handy for POS refueling, but it is waaaaay too small to haul the ore from even a smallish mining op 4-5 jumps from a factory outpost to a refining outpost. A big MO can produce several freighters worth of raw ore. Sure, you'd like to have the op in the system with the refinery, but that's not always possible.

No, adding this ship class wouldn't decrease the use of freighters in 0.0 in the slightest.

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Originally by: Rogen DarHeel

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ok so Raven wants a smaller frieghter with say 10-20 times the cargo space of an indy, that is cheaper then a freighter and CANT .. I repeat CANT scoop to cargo... Ok so why don't we make everyone happy and make the same ship that CAN scoop to cargo.

problem solved.

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Originally by: Lord Slater

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Someone pls Kill this thread before my eyes bleed at all the Carebears Cutiness.

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Originally by: Dravin Dread

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Raven, Raven, he's our man, if he can't get a small freighter, no one can! Ra Ra! Gooooo Small Freighter!

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Originally by: Adunh Slavy

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I Nominate SentryRaven to dance in front of CCP offices. He looks ok in a skirt, and he could put a sign on his chest "BOOBIES!" in leu of the real thing.

-AS

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Originally by: Tzarr Inzaghi

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Just because you get a bunch of folks to post on here who would like to see the bar lowered doesn't mean it is a good idea. Getting to the point of owning a freighter should remain the great reward that it is. Let's not cheapen the experience by letting a bunch of wannabe's ruin one of the neatest ships in the game (to some of us).

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Originally by: SerialKiller

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I agree with most of the comments, I would also like to see a medium sized cargo ship.

Please Jim can you fix it for me !

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Originally by: Maya Rkell

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Once more, use a carrier, don't try and trivialise logistics.

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Originally by: Valator Uel

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Originally by: SentryRaven

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Tier 0.5 Freighters pleeeeeeeaaaase :)

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Why settle for Tier 0.5 when you can have Tech 2? The higher skill requirement (eg Freighter V) will balance the lower price and thus you won't get 1000's of these little ships emptying stations as Maya fears. It will be reserved to those who really want to do trading and really need this ship.

IMHO it should follow the same Industrial -> Transport philosophy, ie smaller, faster and made for deep 0.0 commerce (freighters are made for POS's - as per their description).

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Originally by: Charok

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I have not read every post here but I wanted to show my support for this idea on some stipulations.

I love the idea of small freighters.
Move the curent level of freighters to require level 3 freighter.
Make 2 new freighters.
First tier freighter has about 30,000 M3 of space. (no less then 27,500 M3) Just a bit more then a jet can.
second tier has about 200,000 M3 of space. Enough for a few BS's packaged.

All freighters hold the same deal as to station to station only.

The smaller freighters are faster then there larger counterparts.

Oh and I am a miner and I think this would be usefull for all miners.
Hey we need a way to move our stuff too!

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Originally by: James Duar

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You know I've considered this idea for a long time now and I'm still indecisive. The common argument of "it'll mess up trading" kind of disappeared with the fix of the NPC markets so price homogeneity is the order of the day, and module trading rarely requires so much cargo space.

I can't help but wonder though how you'd balance such a thing so it didn't make indy's useless. Indy's are the bread and butter hauler of EVE - they get the important jobs done. If something comes along that does everything they do but better, then the indy as a ship class will be useless.

In the end, I still think I'm basically against this unless someone can give me a really compelling reason why it wouldn't ultimately be unbalanced.

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Originally by: Jan Tjarks

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Originally by: Linda Duane

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*it's unbelivable, that never a word by an offical was spoken about this and also, that the battle-faction has got a good scaling from frigates to dreadnoughts, but industrialists not..*

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Freighters cannot do a liddle "pew pew", thats why no one want¦s to think about that

Sometime ago the Header of this thread was corrected into "Small Freigther Idea", that¦s all what i know.

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Originally by: Adunh Slavy

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Originally by: SentryRaven

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Give this thread a bit of love DEVS

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Maybe the new bright star in the sky is the freighter elf, come to give us a blessing.

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