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Kim Ji-Young
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.05.11 15:19:00 -
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I saw my first one today. So many questions.
1. How do those things fly, I mean, really? 2. See 1. Also when you turn around in space do you have to do it gently so bits don't fall off the sides or what. 3. I haven't seen the inside of one yet. Not planning to change that, but curious - what sort of decor is it? Do the seats hurt to sit on? 4. Can you access Galnet on one or did you have to dock to read this?
I'm serious. Inquiring minds want to know. I assume some of you fly these things. |

Rana Ash
Gradient Electus Matari
205
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Posted - 2013.05.11 15:22:00 -
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So let me get this straight, you are a pod pilot. You whent thru the education requierd, and this was the very first time you saw a Matari ship?. Did they skip the ship recognition part of your education?, or have you simply been locked away in some dark isolated astroid in a dead space pocket?? |

Kim Ji-Young
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
17
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Posted - 2013.05.11 15:33:00 -
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Rana Ash wrote:So let me get this straight, you are a pod pilot. You whent thru the education requierd, and this was the very first time you saw a Matari ship?. Did they skip the ship recognition part of your education?, or have you simply been locked away in some dark isolated astroid in a dead space pocket??
Well, yeah, they did go through it a little, but when they talked about them being blocks of rust and glue, I thought that was just a bit of poetic exaggeration and typical Amarr Empire confidence building pep-talk stuff like what you get right though all the Institute's courses. I didn't expect to actually see strips of gaffer tape. |

kraiklyn Asatru
T.R.I.A.D
234
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Posted - 2013.05.11 15:40:00 -
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Imagine how embarrassing it must be for the Amarr to keep getting spanked by us. |

Kim Ji-Young
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
17
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Posted - 2013.05.11 16:00:00 -
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kraiklyn Asatru wrote:Imagine how embarrassing it must be for the Amarr to keep getting spanked by us.
You minmatar races certainly are very shrewd. I don't think I'd know what to do if someone asked me to design a ship that could fly and all I had was some solar panels, corrugated iron and a glue stick. |

Heinel Coventina
University of Caille Gallente Federation
17
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Posted - 2013.05.11 16:33:00 -
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That said though, I do find the solar panels to be a very odd design.
What if it got blasted away by a stray hybrid charge? Does the ship get no power? |

Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
112
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Posted - 2013.05.11 16:42:00 -
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Heinel Coventina wrote:That said though, I do find the solar panels to be a very odd design.
What if it got blasted away by a stray hybrid charge? Does the ship get no power?
You'll be hard pressed to find solar panels on any capsuleer vessels. Closest you'll get might be the solar sails on a certain exploration vessel capsuleers were gifted a few years back, and even they can't be properly called solar panels. I assume you're referring to the "wingy bits" on some Minmatar designs. They may indeed look like vulnerable spots, but they're merely heat sinks. Look at a Minmatar vessel in combat with an IR sensor and those wingy bits look glorious.
From what I gathered from glancing at some blueprints, a few "wingy bits" on certain ships also double as added sensors, but I think those are secondary purposes. Don't take my word as gospel there.
I don't think many will find it surprising when I praise the Minmatar ships again and again in public. I think most will actually get tired of it, by now. It's just that they're surprisingly impressive vessels. The design philosophies are certainly completely insane, but that clearly works magnificently. Solid, efficient, adaptive and overall dangerous vessels that'll perform as well or better than their rival equivalents. If they ever managed to wrap their heads around EWAR, they'd rise head and shoulders above most. Captain Lieutenant Midshipman Ms Lady Dame Dudette Otsito the Third. Lord High Thingamadoodle and Satrapess of the Paper Birds. The One who used to be The Keeper of the Toothbrush Threat Level: lol |

Kim Ji-Young
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
17
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Posted - 2013.05.11 16:48:00 -
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Heinel Coventina wrote:That said though, I do find the solar panels to be a very odd design.
What if it got blasted away by a stray hybrid charge? Does the ship get no power?
I know, right? If I ever have to fight one I'm totally aiming right there.
Jinari Otsito wrote:
You'll be hard pressed to find solar panels on any capsuleer vessels. Closest you'll get might be the solar sails on a certain exploration vessel capsuleers were gifted a few years back, and even they can't be properly called solar panels
Sails, panels... surely it's the same thing just spelled different.
They look like solar panels anyway so whatever. I still don't know how it flies. |

Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
1545
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Posted - 2013.05.11 17:48:00 -
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A solar panel is completely different from a solar sail, and both are downright unrelated to heat sinks. If I were new here, I'd be shocked at your display of ignorance. Your education, if it could even be called that, is quite obviously lacking. Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki ~ (RDC) Chief Operations Officer ~ [I-RED] Sub-Director of Public Relations |

Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
112
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Posted - 2013.05.11 17:55:00 -
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Katrina Oniseki wrote:A solar panel is completely different from a solar sail, and both are downright unrelated to heat sinks. If I were new here, I'd be shocked at your display of ignorance. Your education, if it could even be called that, is quite obviously lacking.
They'll let anyone become egg yolk these days. Captain Lieutenant Midshipman Ms Lady Dame Dudette Otsito the Third. Lord High Thingamadoodle and Satrapess of the Paper Birds. The One who used to be The Keeper of the Toothbrush Threat Level: lol |

Fredfredbug4
Eve Defence Force Tribal Band
914
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Posted - 2013.05.11 18:08:00 -
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This is quite possibly the most brain dead thread I've seen on the IGS in a while.
Which is really saying something. Watch Fred Fred Frederation and stop cryptozoologist! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it! |

Liberty Roach
October Country
0
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Posted - 2013.05.11 18:20:00 -
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Kim Ji-Young wrote:I saw my first one today. So many questions. Hokies.
Quote:1. How do those things fly, I mean, really? Pretty fast, and that's the truth. They're mostly made out of nicked stuff, so they has got to be able to make a nice clean get-away.
Quote:2. See 1. Also when you turn around in space do you have to do it gently so bits don't fall off the sides or what. Nah. The trick is, after you build them, see, you turn them upside down and give them a good shake. Anything that doesn't come off then is prolly safe.
Quote:3. I haven't seen the inside of one yet. Not planning to change that, but curious - what sort of decor is it? Do the seats hurt to sit on? It's different from ship to ship, but most have the seats made from out of old sofas. They is usually quite comfy in fact, but sometimes you has to spray them down so they won't smell.
Quote:4. Can you access Galnet on one or did you have to dock to read this? You know, most Minnies I know, they don't need ship computers or anything fancy to get online. These Sebbie dentists, yeah, these dentists use some kind of clever alloy that allows Minnies to connect with Galnet through the fillings of their teeth.
You and I though, we is out of luck, isn't we?
You is welcome. |

Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
1295
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Posted - 2013.05.11 18:44:00 -
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So I take it the ships you saw didn't include the Maelstrom, Loki and Hurricane?
Don't let the downmarket ones like the Slasher fool you, Matari ships are just as solidly engineered and spaceworth as the efforts of any of the other empires, and come with the additional advantage of being easier to maintain and repair.
Sure, I'll take a quantum computer over an electronic one if given the option, and graviton reactors over nuclear fission, but when it comes to lightweight materials science, high-performance propulsion and getting the most performance out of what you have, the Minmatar are a tough act to beat. I'm told the standard-issue dropsuit being used by clone mercs right now is actually just a repurposed version of the vacuum hardsuits used by dock workers. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Elenor Torneau
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.05.11 18:49:00 -
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Kim Ji-Young wrote:I saw my first one today. So many questions.
1. How do those things fly, I mean, really? 2. See 1. Also when you turn around in space do you have to do it gently so bits don't fall off the sides or what. 3. I haven't seen the inside of one yet. Not planning to change that, but curious - what sort of decor is it? Do the seats hurt to sit on? 4. Can you access Galnet on one or did you have to dock to read this?
I'm serious. Inquiring minds want to know. I assume some of you fly these things.
1. By using some of the most advanced polymers, physics research and propulsion systems ever conceived. The sheer speed of Minmatar craft, not only defeats the Imperial brickwork you were instructed in, it completely outclasses it.
2. They turn on a dinner plate at breakneck speed.
3. Quite comfortable for one that isn't used to disgusting opulence granted by wealthy birth.
4. They have superior electronic systems compared to Amarrian vessels. One can quite easily access Galnet and host an entire wing of EWAR to support your fleet.
You do your school a disservice by speaking. |

Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
1061
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Posted - 2013.05.11 19:23:00 -
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Elenor Torneau wrote: 1. By using some of the most advanced polymers, physics research and propulsion systems ever conceived. The sheer speed of Minmatar craft, not only defeats the Imperial brickwork you were instructed in, it completely outclasses it.
This. Matari ships have incredible tensile strength for the weight of materials used.
Elenor Torneau wrote:2. They turn on a dinner plate at breakneck speed.
See the point above. It's remarkable to watch them maneuver.
Elenor Torneau wrote:4. They have superior electronic systems compared to Amarrian vessels. One can quite easily access Galnet and host an entire wing of EWAR to support your fleet.
Wait... Seriously? Superior EWAR? Come on. You were doing pretty well until you claimed THAT. EWAR is one of the areas that Minnie ships don't do so well in.
Elenor Torneau wrote:You do your school a disservice by speaking.
If her education was defficient then she OUGHT to speak out. |

Kim Ji-Young
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
17
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Posted - 2013.05.11 23:00:00 -
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Katrina Oniseki wrote:A solar panel is completely different from a solar sail, and both are downright unrelated to heat sinks. If I were new here, I'd be shocked at your display of ignorance. Your education, if it could even be called that, is quite obviously lacking.
For everyone talking about my lack of education - I guess they didn't teach us about solar panels and the insides of ships for the same reason they didn't teach us how to make a living scavenging bits of metal out of rubbish tips. It's not really something we need to know, because we've got plenty of energy sources just like we have lots of people to take rubbish away and scavenge bits out of it. If we needed to know things like that, they would teach it.
For all you other people diverting the topic to talking about how minmatar ships are the best, well of course you think that, because that's what you got taught. My educators taught me that my race's ships were the best too, and I'm sure it's the same for every race. However, looking at it objectively, you've got to admit it - you've got some rustbuckets there. The thing I saw (I don't know what it was) wasn't going to win any wars, it wasn't even winning the war against oxidisation. I admit that there's probably better minmatar ships out there that I haven't seen yet, that have proper hulls and gold paint.
Liberty Roach wrote:
You is welcome.
Thanks for some proper answers to my questions, but I don't believe you about the teeth thing. |

Fredfredbug4
Eve Defence Force Tribal Band
918
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Posted - 2013.05.12 00:01:00 -
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Kim Ji-Young wrote:. I admit that there's probably better minmatar ships out there that I haven't seen yet, that have proper hulls and gold paint.
There's a Gallente First person Shooter holo-game out where 9 year old kids are led to the belief that the guns with cooler paint schemes are better, than the ones with the default colors, yet the two are exactly the same statistic wise.
So basically what I'm saying here is you are about as intelligent as a 9 year old.
Better stay in school for a bit longer. Watch Fred Fred Frederation and stop cryptozoologist! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it! |

Kim Ji-Young
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
18
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Posted - 2013.05.12 00:10:00 -
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Fredfredbug4 wrote:Kim Ji-Young wrote:. I admit that there's probably better minmatar ships out there that I haven't seen yet, that have proper hulls and gold paint. There's a Gallente First person Shooter holo-game out where 9 year old kids are led to the belief that the guns with cooler paint schemes are better, than the ones with the default colors, yet the two are exactly the same statistic wise. So basically what I'm saying here is you are about as intelligent as a 9 year old. Better stay in school for a bit longer.
I didn't say that gold paint made it fly faster, I just think it shows a bit of class to paint your ship up a bit. Explain to me what's wrong with that. |

Liberty Roach
October Country
5
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Posted - 2013.05.12 00:17:00 -
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Kim Ji-Young wrote:Thanks for some proper answers to my questions, but I don't believe you about the teeth thing. I swear it's true, cross my heart and hope to die. My mum's cousin's sister in law is married to a Sebbie, and there's something slightly gone wrong with his fillings. At night, yeah? At night, when they's asleep, and he begins to snore, it triggers this malfunction in his teeth, yeah, and they begin to broadcast Jita Local, loud enough for her to hear. She said it was well creepy the first couple times, but she's used to it by now.
That reminds me, I should really check in on them. They's kinda struggling lately, I heard. Got taken by a scam, the silly woman. |

Fredfredbug4
Eve Defence Force Tribal Band
918
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Posted - 2013.05.12 00:29:00 -
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Kim Ji-Young wrote:
I didn't say that gold paint made it fly faster, I just think it shows a bit of class to paint your ship up a bit. Explain to me what's wrong with that.
You are connecting the mere color of the ship with it's quality, a connection that simply doesn't make sense.
Also, class doesn't mean anything for combat vessels, or industrial ships for that matter. Watch Fred Fred Frederation and stop cryptozoologist! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it! |

Liberty Roach
October Country
6
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Posted - 2013.05.12 00:39:00 -
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Fredfredbug4 wrote:You are connecting the mere color of the ship with it's quality, a connection that simply doesn't make sense.
Also, class doesn't mean anything for combat vessels, or industrial ships for that matter. Oy, who took the jam out of your doughnut anyways, grumpy? Lighten up, for farks sake. The woman just wants a good paintjob on her ship, what's wrong with that? |

Shintoko Akahoshi
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
71
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Posted - 2013.05.12 00:43:00 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Elenor Torneau wrote:4. They have superior electronic systems compared to Amarrian vessels. One can quite easily access Galnet and host an entire wing of EWAR to support your fleet. Wait... Seriously? Superior EWAR? Come on. You were doing pretty well until you claimed THAT. EWAR is one of the areas that Minnie ships don't do so well in.
Well, she's comparing their EWAR capabilities to the Amarr... Bio and writing |

Kim Ji-Young
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
18
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Posted - 2013.05.12 01:53:00 -
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Liberty Roach wrote:Kim Ji-Young wrote:Thanks for some proper answers to my questions, but I don't believe you about the teeth thing. I swear it's true, cross my heart and hope to die. My mum's cousin's sister in law is married to a Sebbie, and there's something slightly gone wrong with his fillings. At night, yeah? At night, when they's asleep, and he begins to snore, it triggers this malfunction in his teeth, yeah, and they begin to broadcast Jita Local, loud enough for her to hear. She said it was well creepy the first couple times, but she's used to it by now. That reminds me, I should really check in on them. They's kinda struggling lately, I heard. Got taken by a scam, the silly woman.
Jita local while sleeping, now that's a scary thought. Imagine the dreams.
Fredfredbug4 wrote:Kim Ji-Young wrote:
I didn't say that gold paint made it fly faster, I just think it shows a bit of class to paint your ship up a bit. Explain to me what's wrong with that.
You are connecting the mere color of the ship with it's quality, a connection that simply doesn't make sense. Also, class doesn't mean anything for combat vessels, or industrial ships for that matter.
Your name is Fredfredbug4, so I don't think you're in a position to tell others about what makes sense and what doesn't.
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Liberty Roach
October Country
7
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Posted - 2013.05.12 02:14:00 -
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Kim Ji-Young wrote:Jita local while sleeping, now that's a scary thought. Imagine the dreams. I know, right? If it was me, I'd go batty. |

Fredfredbug4
Eve Defence Force Tribal Band
918
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Posted - 2013.05.12 02:22:00 -
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Kim Ji-Young wrote:
Your name is Fredfredbug4, so I don't think you're in a position to tell others about what makes sense and what doesn't.
It's shortened from Frederik Fredal Bugabus the Fourth. I have connections to the Gallente ceremonial monarchy from my Ethnic Gallente father's side (I am half Deteis afterall). My family isn't high up in it at all, we're not even worth being recognized for it. Basically all we get out of it is getting fast-tracked to officer positions if one of us should choose a military career, an occasional dinner-party invite, and a little coat of arms to stamp on documents and stuff. Really nothing major.
Of course, I shortened the name when I was much younger and prefer being called Fred. I simply abhor the idea of deserving special treatment, recognition, and wealth just for being born.
The coat of arms is cool though.
Anyway, all that personal fluff about my family history is irrelevant in this case. You're acting like a child. Watch Fred Fred Frederation and stop cryptozoologist! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it! |

Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps Interstellar Online Network
1460
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Posted - 2013.05.12 02:36:00 -
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Minmatar ships aren't that bad, actually. Figure that after we conquered the Minmatar Empire that whatever sad ship designs & technology they had was looked at, laughed at, and tossed into the furnace by the Amarrian shipwrights who found them.
Their rebellion didn't come until several centuries later, and by that time anything they were using - theft, scavenging, whatever - was basically Amarrian technology that they "appropriated" for their own purposes.
So in other words, and I know this is really going to burn their all-consuming pride, but the fact is that Minmatar ship technology is quite obviously rooted in Amarrian ship technology. It may look different on the outside (gold ain't cheap, and art & aesthetics aren't their strong points either) but when you get down to the underlying principles the foundations of all their technology is Amarrian.
Now since then they've gotten a lot of help from the Federation, and I'm sure the Caldari sold them some stuff too. But if you were look it in terms of evolution, every Minmatar ship today can ultimately trace it's ancestory to a stolen Amarrian ship from the days of the rebellion.
So with that in mind I feel no shame in saying that Minmatar ships can actually be pretty decent. After all, they're descended from some of the finest ships in New Eden. Q: Just how bad were missiles and drones nerfed?-á A: They're adding them to Amarr ships now. |

Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
168
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Posted - 2013.05.12 03:03:00 -
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Kim Ji-Young wrote:For all you other people diverting the topic to talking about how minmatar ships are the best, well of course you think that, because that's what you got taught. My educators taught me that my race's ships were the best too, and I'm sure it's the same for every race. However, looking at it objectively, you've got to admit it - you've got some rustbuckets there. The thing I saw (I don't know what it was) wasn't going to win any wars, it wasn't even winning the war against oxidisation.
The metal used in the hull is rust-colored. It is not actual rust.
What Matari ships lack is expanded superstructures and complete hull plating, except around vital areas or when extensively armor-fitted. This reduces their mass and allows for greater speed, while also reducing expenses and helping to reduce signature radius (though the heat emanated from the panels makes up for it). It also makes Matari vessels more modular, making it much easier to make changes and additions to the superstructure in dry dock. This all comes at the cost of increased fragility, though the shielding systems and hull integrity fields help offset this.
This is why they don't look "pretty". |

Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
756
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Posted - 2013.05.12 05:08:00 -
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Kim Ji-Young wrote:I saw my first one today. So many questions.
1. How do those things fly, I mean, really? 2. See 1. Also when you turn around in space do you have to do it gently so bits don't fall off the sides or what. 3. I haven't seen the inside of one yet. Not planning to change that, but curious - what sort of decor is it? Do the seats hurt to sit on? 4. Can you access Galnet on one or did you have to dock to read this?
I'm serious. Inquiring minds want to know. I assume some of you fly these things.
1) Farting. Yes, I'm serious.
2) Look up "tuned chassis-flexion" or similar. A perfectly rigid-throughout brick of a chassis is sometimes less optimal for manoeverability, especially when you consider that ours also have to deal with the kick-back from our preferred weapons-systems. All that energy does need to go somewhere, after all, and absorption into non-structure-critical areas that have some "give" to them is arguably better than trying to dissipate through a whole structure that has less or no "give" to help it do so. (In other words, we know that no system is perfectly efficient, and that our gyroscopic counterbalancer mounts certainly aren't. They day we get that sorted is the day these will be able to re-fire as fast as these without literally battering their host-platform into junk in seconds.).
3) A bit spare, but functional, and even elegant in their own "all-business" way. Lounges, massage-chairs, and pool-side barefoot bars are nice, but they don't belong on war-ships.
4) I access GalNet with the power of my brain. Mmmmmm: Brrraaaaaiiins...
Meta-gaming for carebears:
Whine on the forums like a little ***** until CCP gets sick of you and hands you everything you ask for just to shut you up. |

Anabella Rella
Gradient Electus Matari
730
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Posted - 2013.05.12 05:39:00 -
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I give the OP's post 1/10. Please try harder or, come up with something more original next time. Even primary school kids are taught that rust (a.k.a. oxidation) requires oxygen, of which there is none in the vacuum of space.
Down with this sort of thing. What you want is irrelevant, what you've chosen is at hand. |

Adreena Madeveda
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
131
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Posted - 2013.05.12 07:28:00 -
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Luftwreck wrote: [...]the fact is that Minmatar ship technology is quite obviously rooted in Amarrian ship technology.
Of course. Don't mind the fact that Amarr hulls are slow and sturdy while Minmatar ones are fast and fragile. Don't mind the fact that lasers and projectile weapons are widely different, not only in their effects and functioning but in their fitting needs. Don't mind... Oh, well.
As usual, Katran, don't mind the facts. ...................\o\ /o/................... |
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