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Kim Ji-Young
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
17
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Posted - 2013.05.11 15:19:00 -
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I saw my first one today. So many questions.
1. How do those things fly, I mean, really? 2. See 1. Also when you turn around in space do you have to do it gently so bits don't fall off the sides or what. 3. I haven't seen the inside of one yet. Not planning to change that, but curious - what sort of decor is it? Do the seats hurt to sit on? 4. Can you access Galnet on one or did you have to dock to read this?
I'm serious. Inquiring minds want to know. I assume some of you fly these things. |

Rana Ash
Gradient Electus Matari
205
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Posted - 2013.05.11 15:22:00 -
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So let me get this straight, you are a pod pilot. You whent thru the education requierd, and this was the very first time you saw a Matari ship?. Did they skip the ship recognition part of your education?, or have you simply been locked away in some dark isolated astroid in a dead space pocket?? |

Kim Ji-Young
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
17
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Posted - 2013.05.11 15:33:00 -
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Rana Ash wrote:So let me get this straight, you are a pod pilot. You whent thru the education requierd, and this was the very first time you saw a Matari ship?. Did they skip the ship recognition part of your education?, or have you simply been locked away in some dark isolated astroid in a dead space pocket??
Well, yeah, they did go through it a little, but when they talked about them being blocks of rust and glue, I thought that was just a bit of poetic exaggeration and typical Amarr Empire confidence building pep-talk stuff like what you get right though all the Institute's courses. I didn't expect to actually see strips of gaffer tape. |

kraiklyn Asatru
T.R.I.A.D
234
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Posted - 2013.05.11 15:40:00 -
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Imagine how embarrassing it must be for the Amarr to keep getting spanked by us. |

Kim Ji-Young
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
17
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Posted - 2013.05.11 16:00:00 -
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kraiklyn Asatru wrote:Imagine how embarrassing it must be for the Amarr to keep getting spanked by us.
You minmatar races certainly are very shrewd. I don't think I'd know what to do if someone asked me to design a ship that could fly and all I had was some solar panels, corrugated iron and a glue stick. |

Heinel Coventina
University of Caille Gallente Federation
17
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Posted - 2013.05.11 16:33:00 -
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That said though, I do find the solar panels to be a very odd design.
What if it got blasted away by a stray hybrid charge? Does the ship get no power? |

Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
112
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Posted - 2013.05.11 16:42:00 -
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Heinel Coventina wrote:That said though, I do find the solar panels to be a very odd design.
What if it got blasted away by a stray hybrid charge? Does the ship get no power?
You'll be hard pressed to find solar panels on any capsuleer vessels. Closest you'll get might be the solar sails on a certain exploration vessel capsuleers were gifted a few years back, and even they can't be properly called solar panels. I assume you're referring to the "wingy bits" on some Minmatar designs. They may indeed look like vulnerable spots, but they're merely heat sinks. Look at a Minmatar vessel in combat with an IR sensor and those wingy bits look glorious.
From what I gathered from glancing at some blueprints, a few "wingy bits" on certain ships also double as added sensors, but I think those are secondary purposes. Don't take my word as gospel there.
I don't think many will find it surprising when I praise the Minmatar ships again and again in public. I think most will actually get tired of it, by now. It's just that they're surprisingly impressive vessels. The design philosophies are certainly completely insane, but that clearly works magnificently. Solid, efficient, adaptive and overall dangerous vessels that'll perform as well or better than their rival equivalents. If they ever managed to wrap their heads around EWAR, they'd rise head and shoulders above most. Captain Lieutenant Midshipman Ms Lady Dame Dudette Otsito the Third. Lord High Thingamadoodle and Satrapess of the Paper Birds. The One who used to be The Keeper of the Toothbrush Threat Level: lol |

Kim Ji-Young
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
17
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Posted - 2013.05.11 16:48:00 -
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Heinel Coventina wrote:That said though, I do find the solar panels to be a very odd design.
What if it got blasted away by a stray hybrid charge? Does the ship get no power?
I know, right? If I ever have to fight one I'm totally aiming right there.
Jinari Otsito wrote:
You'll be hard pressed to find solar panels on any capsuleer vessels. Closest you'll get might be the solar sails on a certain exploration vessel capsuleers were gifted a few years back, and even they can't be properly called solar panels
Sails, panels... surely it's the same thing just spelled different.
They look like solar panels anyway so whatever. I still don't know how it flies. |

Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
1545
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Posted - 2013.05.11 17:48:00 -
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A solar panel is completely different from a solar sail, and both are downright unrelated to heat sinks. If I were new here, I'd be shocked at your display of ignorance. Your education, if it could even be called that, is quite obviously lacking. Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki ~ (RDC) Chief Operations Officer ~ [I-RED] Sub-Director of Public Relations |

Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
112
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Posted - 2013.05.11 17:55:00 -
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Katrina Oniseki wrote:A solar panel is completely different from a solar sail, and both are downright unrelated to heat sinks. If I were new here, I'd be shocked at your display of ignorance. Your education, if it could even be called that, is quite obviously lacking.
They'll let anyone become egg yolk these days. Captain Lieutenant Midshipman Ms Lady Dame Dudette Otsito the Third. Lord High Thingamadoodle and Satrapess of the Paper Birds. The One who used to be The Keeper of the Toothbrush Threat Level: lol |
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Fredfredbug4
Eve Defence Force Tribal Band
914
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Posted - 2013.05.11 18:08:00 -
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This is quite possibly the most brain dead thread I've seen on the IGS in a while.
Which is really saying something. Watch Fred Fred Frederation and stop cryptozoologist! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it! |

Liberty Roach
October Country
0
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Posted - 2013.05.11 18:20:00 -
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Kim Ji-Young wrote:I saw my first one today. So many questions. Hokies.
Quote:1. How do those things fly, I mean, really? Pretty fast, and that's the truth. They're mostly made out of nicked stuff, so they has got to be able to make a nice clean get-away.
Quote:2. See 1. Also when you turn around in space do you have to do it gently so bits don't fall off the sides or what. Nah. The trick is, after you build them, see, you turn them upside down and give them a good shake. Anything that doesn't come off then is prolly safe.
Quote:3. I haven't seen the inside of one yet. Not planning to change that, but curious - what sort of decor is it? Do the seats hurt to sit on? It's different from ship to ship, but most have the seats made from out of old sofas. They is usually quite comfy in fact, but sometimes you has to spray them down so they won't smell.
Quote:4. Can you access Galnet on one or did you have to dock to read this? You know, most Minnies I know, they don't need ship computers or anything fancy to get online. These Sebbie dentists, yeah, these dentists use some kind of clever alloy that allows Minnies to connect with Galnet through the fillings of their teeth.
You and I though, we is out of luck, isn't we?
You is welcome. |

Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
1295
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Posted - 2013.05.11 18:44:00 -
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So I take it the ships you saw didn't include the Maelstrom, Loki and Hurricane?
Don't let the downmarket ones like the Slasher fool you, Matari ships are just as solidly engineered and spaceworth as the efforts of any of the other empires, and come with the additional advantage of being easier to maintain and repair.
Sure, I'll take a quantum computer over an electronic one if given the option, and graviton reactors over nuclear fission, but when it comes to lightweight materials science, high-performance propulsion and getting the most performance out of what you have, the Minmatar are a tough act to beat. I'm told the standard-issue dropsuit being used by clone mercs right now is actually just a repurposed version of the vacuum hardsuits used by dock workers. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Elenor Torneau
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.05.11 18:49:00 -
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Kim Ji-Young wrote:I saw my first one today. So many questions.
1. How do those things fly, I mean, really? 2. See 1. Also when you turn around in space do you have to do it gently so bits don't fall off the sides or what. 3. I haven't seen the inside of one yet. Not planning to change that, but curious - what sort of decor is it? Do the seats hurt to sit on? 4. Can you access Galnet on one or did you have to dock to read this?
I'm serious. Inquiring minds want to know. I assume some of you fly these things.
1. By using some of the most advanced polymers, physics research and propulsion systems ever conceived. The sheer speed of Minmatar craft, not only defeats the Imperial brickwork you were instructed in, it completely outclasses it.
2. They turn on a dinner plate at breakneck speed.
3. Quite comfortable for one that isn't used to disgusting opulence granted by wealthy birth.
4. They have superior electronic systems compared to Amarrian vessels. One can quite easily access Galnet and host an entire wing of EWAR to support your fleet.
You do your school a disservice by speaking. |

Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
1061
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Posted - 2013.05.11 19:23:00 -
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Elenor Torneau wrote: 1. By using some of the most advanced polymers, physics research and propulsion systems ever conceived. The sheer speed of Minmatar craft, not only defeats the Imperial brickwork you were instructed in, it completely outclasses it.
This. Matari ships have incredible tensile strength for the weight of materials used.
Elenor Torneau wrote:2. They turn on a dinner plate at breakneck speed.
See the point above. It's remarkable to watch them maneuver.
Elenor Torneau wrote:4. They have superior electronic systems compared to Amarrian vessels. One can quite easily access Galnet and host an entire wing of EWAR to support your fleet.
Wait... Seriously? Superior EWAR? Come on. You were doing pretty well until you claimed THAT. EWAR is one of the areas that Minnie ships don't do so well in.
Elenor Torneau wrote:You do your school a disservice by speaking.
If her education was defficient then she OUGHT to speak out. |

Kim Ji-Young
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
17
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Posted - 2013.05.11 23:00:00 -
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Katrina Oniseki wrote:A solar panel is completely different from a solar sail, and both are downright unrelated to heat sinks. If I were new here, I'd be shocked at your display of ignorance. Your education, if it could even be called that, is quite obviously lacking.
For everyone talking about my lack of education - I guess they didn't teach us about solar panels and the insides of ships for the same reason they didn't teach us how to make a living scavenging bits of metal out of rubbish tips. It's not really something we need to know, because we've got plenty of energy sources just like we have lots of people to take rubbish away and scavenge bits out of it. If we needed to know things like that, they would teach it.
For all you other people diverting the topic to talking about how minmatar ships are the best, well of course you think that, because that's what you got taught. My educators taught me that my race's ships were the best too, and I'm sure it's the same for every race. However, looking at it objectively, you've got to admit it - you've got some rustbuckets there. The thing I saw (I don't know what it was) wasn't going to win any wars, it wasn't even winning the war against oxidisation. I admit that there's probably better minmatar ships out there that I haven't seen yet, that have proper hulls and gold paint.
Liberty Roach wrote:
You is welcome.
Thanks for some proper answers to my questions, but I don't believe you about the teeth thing. |

Fredfredbug4
Eve Defence Force Tribal Band
918
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Posted - 2013.05.12 00:01:00 -
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Kim Ji-Young wrote:. I admit that there's probably better minmatar ships out there that I haven't seen yet, that have proper hulls and gold paint.
There's a Gallente First person Shooter holo-game out where 9 year old kids are led to the belief that the guns with cooler paint schemes are better, than the ones with the default colors, yet the two are exactly the same statistic wise.
So basically what I'm saying here is you are about as intelligent as a 9 year old.
Better stay in school for a bit longer. Watch Fred Fred Frederation and stop cryptozoologist! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it! |

Kim Ji-Young
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
18
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Posted - 2013.05.12 00:10:00 -
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Fredfredbug4 wrote:Kim Ji-Young wrote:. I admit that there's probably better minmatar ships out there that I haven't seen yet, that have proper hulls and gold paint. There's a Gallente First person Shooter holo-game out where 9 year old kids are led to the belief that the guns with cooler paint schemes are better, than the ones with the default colors, yet the two are exactly the same statistic wise. So basically what I'm saying here is you are about as intelligent as a 9 year old. Better stay in school for a bit longer.
I didn't say that gold paint made it fly faster, I just think it shows a bit of class to paint your ship up a bit. Explain to me what's wrong with that. |

Liberty Roach
October Country
5
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Posted - 2013.05.12 00:17:00 -
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Kim Ji-Young wrote:Thanks for some proper answers to my questions, but I don't believe you about the teeth thing. I swear it's true, cross my heart and hope to die. My mum's cousin's sister in law is married to a Sebbie, and there's something slightly gone wrong with his fillings. At night, yeah? At night, when they's asleep, and he begins to snore, it triggers this malfunction in his teeth, yeah, and they begin to broadcast Jita Local, loud enough for her to hear. She said it was well creepy the first couple times, but she's used to it by now.
That reminds me, I should really check in on them. They's kinda struggling lately, I heard. Got taken by a scam, the silly woman. |

Fredfredbug4
Eve Defence Force Tribal Band
918
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Posted - 2013.05.12 00:29:00 -
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Kim Ji-Young wrote:
I didn't say that gold paint made it fly faster, I just think it shows a bit of class to paint your ship up a bit. Explain to me what's wrong with that.
You are connecting the mere color of the ship with it's quality, a connection that simply doesn't make sense.
Also, class doesn't mean anything for combat vessels, or industrial ships for that matter. Watch Fred Fred Frederation and stop cryptozoologist! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it! |
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Liberty Roach
October Country
6
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Posted - 2013.05.12 00:39:00 -
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Fredfredbug4 wrote:You are connecting the mere color of the ship with it's quality, a connection that simply doesn't make sense.
Also, class doesn't mean anything for combat vessels, or industrial ships for that matter. Oy, who took the jam out of your doughnut anyways, grumpy? Lighten up, for farks sake. The woman just wants a good paintjob on her ship, what's wrong with that? |

Shintoko Akahoshi
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
71
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Posted - 2013.05.12 00:43:00 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Elenor Torneau wrote:4. They have superior electronic systems compared to Amarrian vessels. One can quite easily access Galnet and host an entire wing of EWAR to support your fleet. Wait... Seriously? Superior EWAR? Come on. You were doing pretty well until you claimed THAT. EWAR is one of the areas that Minnie ships don't do so well in.
Well, she's comparing their EWAR capabilities to the Amarr... Bio and writing |

Kim Ji-Young
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
18
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Posted - 2013.05.12 01:53:00 -
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Liberty Roach wrote:Kim Ji-Young wrote:Thanks for some proper answers to my questions, but I don't believe you about the teeth thing. I swear it's true, cross my heart and hope to die. My mum's cousin's sister in law is married to a Sebbie, and there's something slightly gone wrong with his fillings. At night, yeah? At night, when they's asleep, and he begins to snore, it triggers this malfunction in his teeth, yeah, and they begin to broadcast Jita Local, loud enough for her to hear. She said it was well creepy the first couple times, but she's used to it by now. That reminds me, I should really check in on them. They's kinda struggling lately, I heard. Got taken by a scam, the silly woman.
Jita local while sleeping, now that's a scary thought. Imagine the dreams.
Fredfredbug4 wrote:Kim Ji-Young wrote:
I didn't say that gold paint made it fly faster, I just think it shows a bit of class to paint your ship up a bit. Explain to me what's wrong with that.
You are connecting the mere color of the ship with it's quality, a connection that simply doesn't make sense. Also, class doesn't mean anything for combat vessels, or industrial ships for that matter.
Your name is Fredfredbug4, so I don't think you're in a position to tell others about what makes sense and what doesn't.
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Liberty Roach
October Country
7
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Posted - 2013.05.12 02:14:00 -
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Kim Ji-Young wrote:Jita local while sleeping, now that's a scary thought. Imagine the dreams. I know, right? If it was me, I'd go batty. |

Fredfredbug4
Eve Defence Force Tribal Band
918
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Posted - 2013.05.12 02:22:00 -
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Kim Ji-Young wrote:
Your name is Fredfredbug4, so I don't think you're in a position to tell others about what makes sense and what doesn't.
It's shortened from Frederik Fredal Bugabus the Fourth. I have connections to the Gallente ceremonial monarchy from my Ethnic Gallente father's side (I am half Deteis afterall). My family isn't high up in it at all, we're not even worth being recognized for it. Basically all we get out of it is getting fast-tracked to officer positions if one of us should choose a military career, an occasional dinner-party invite, and a little coat of arms to stamp on documents and stuff. Really nothing major.
Of course, I shortened the name when I was much younger and prefer being called Fred. I simply abhor the idea of deserving special treatment, recognition, and wealth just for being born.
The coat of arms is cool though.
Anyway, all that personal fluff about my family history is irrelevant in this case. You're acting like a child. Watch Fred Fred Frederation and stop cryptozoologist! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it! |

Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps Interstellar Online Network
1460
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Posted - 2013.05.12 02:36:00 -
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Minmatar ships aren't that bad, actually. Figure that after we conquered the Minmatar Empire that whatever sad ship designs & technology they had was looked at, laughed at, and tossed into the furnace by the Amarrian shipwrights who found them.
Their rebellion didn't come until several centuries later, and by that time anything they were using - theft, scavenging, whatever - was basically Amarrian technology that they "appropriated" for their own purposes.
So in other words, and I know this is really going to burn their all-consuming pride, but the fact is that Minmatar ship technology is quite obviously rooted in Amarrian ship technology. It may look different on the outside (gold ain't cheap, and art & aesthetics aren't their strong points either) but when you get down to the underlying principles the foundations of all their technology is Amarrian.
Now since then they've gotten a lot of help from the Federation, and I'm sure the Caldari sold them some stuff too. But if you were look it in terms of evolution, every Minmatar ship today can ultimately trace it's ancestory to a stolen Amarrian ship from the days of the rebellion.
So with that in mind I feel no shame in saying that Minmatar ships can actually be pretty decent. After all, they're descended from some of the finest ships in New Eden. Q: Just how bad were missiles and drones nerfed?-á A: They're adding them to Amarr ships now. |

Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
168
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Posted - 2013.05.12 03:03:00 -
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Kim Ji-Young wrote:For all you other people diverting the topic to talking about how minmatar ships are the best, well of course you think that, because that's what you got taught. My educators taught me that my race's ships were the best too, and I'm sure it's the same for every race. However, looking at it objectively, you've got to admit it - you've got some rustbuckets there. The thing I saw (I don't know what it was) wasn't going to win any wars, it wasn't even winning the war against oxidisation.
The metal used in the hull is rust-colored. It is not actual rust.
What Matari ships lack is expanded superstructures and complete hull plating, except around vital areas or when extensively armor-fitted. This reduces their mass and allows for greater speed, while also reducing expenses and helping to reduce signature radius (though the heat emanated from the panels makes up for it). It also makes Matari vessels more modular, making it much easier to make changes and additions to the superstructure in dry dock. This all comes at the cost of increased fragility, though the shielding systems and hull integrity fields help offset this.
This is why they don't look "pretty". |

Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
756
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Posted - 2013.05.12 05:08:00 -
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Kim Ji-Young wrote:I saw my first one today. So many questions.
1. How do those things fly, I mean, really? 2. See 1. Also when you turn around in space do you have to do it gently so bits don't fall off the sides or what. 3. I haven't seen the inside of one yet. Not planning to change that, but curious - what sort of decor is it? Do the seats hurt to sit on? 4. Can you access Galnet on one or did you have to dock to read this?
I'm serious. Inquiring minds want to know. I assume some of you fly these things.
1) Farting. Yes, I'm serious.
2) Look up "tuned chassis-flexion" or similar. A perfectly rigid-throughout brick of a chassis is sometimes less optimal for manoeverability, especially when you consider that ours also have to deal with the kick-back from our preferred weapons-systems. All that energy does need to go somewhere, after all, and absorption into non-structure-critical areas that have some "give" to them is arguably better than trying to dissipate through a whole structure that has less or no "give" to help it do so. (In other words, we know that no system is perfectly efficient, and that our gyroscopic counterbalancer mounts certainly aren't. They day we get that sorted is the day these will be able to re-fire as fast as these without literally battering their host-platform into junk in seconds.).
3) A bit spare, but functional, and even elegant in their own "all-business" way. Lounges, massage-chairs, and pool-side barefoot bars are nice, but they don't belong on war-ships.
4) I access GalNet with the power of my brain. Mmmmmm: Brrraaaaaiiins...
Meta-gaming for carebears:
Whine on the forums like a little ***** until CCP gets sick of you and hands you everything you ask for just to shut you up. |

Anabella Rella
Gradient Electus Matari
730
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Posted - 2013.05.12 05:39:00 -
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I give the OP's post 1/10. Please try harder or, come up with something more original next time. Even primary school kids are taught that rust (a.k.a. oxidation) requires oxygen, of which there is none in the vacuum of space.
Down with this sort of thing. What you want is irrelevant, what you've chosen is at hand. |

Adreena Madeveda
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
131
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Posted - 2013.05.12 07:28:00 -
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Luftwreck wrote: [...]the fact is that Minmatar ship technology is quite obviously rooted in Amarrian ship technology.
Of course. Don't mind the fact that Amarr hulls are slow and sturdy while Minmatar ones are fast and fragile. Don't mind the fact that lasers and projectile weapons are widely different, not only in their effects and functioning but in their fitting needs. Don't mind... Oh, well.
As usual, Katran, don't mind the facts. ...................\o\ /o/................... |
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Kim Ji-Young
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
20
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Posted - 2013.05.12 07:36:00 -
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You people seem to be in denial.
Samira Kernher wrote: The metal used in the hull is rust-colored. It is not actual rust.
Don't tell me you people are so poor you can't even afford genuine rust.
Anabella Rella wrote:I give the OP's post 1/10. Please try harder or, come up with something more original next time. Even primary school kids are taught that rust (a.k.a. oxidation) requires oxygen, of which there is none in the vacuum of space.
Down with this sort of thing.
It speaks to the ingenuity of minmatar workmanship that they can create rust even in a vacuum. |

Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
169
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Posted - 2013.05.12 08:55:00 -
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Kim Ji-Young wrote:Samira Kernher wrote: The metal used in the hull is rust-colored. It is not actual rust.
Don't tell me you people are so poor you can't even afford genuine rust.
"You people."
For your information, miss Ji-Young, I exclusively fly Amarrian hulls in service to the Empire.
I simply have a basic understanding of how Matari ships work. |

Zsaryna Adrelana
The Phantom Regiment THE ROYAL NAVY
51
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Posted - 2013.05.12 09:04:00 -
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I don't even know where to start other than by the obligatory statement that you're an idiot One should always take one's enemy seriously My alt has two Gnosis, how does he smell?Awful. |

Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
437
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Posted - 2013.05.12 09:07:00 -
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Fernite carbide is red. Tungsten carbide is gold. Crystalline carbonide is green. Titanium carbide is grey.
Guess which nations use which materials.
While your ignorance of Minmatar metals is excusable, your suggestion that a member of PIE would fly a Minmatar ship is not. PIE flies Amarr hulls exclusively. Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's. |

Kim Ji-Young
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
20
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Posted - 2013.05.12 09:23:00 -
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Samira Kernher wrote:Kim Ji-Young wrote:Samira Kernher wrote: The metal used in the hull is rust-colored. It is not actual rust.
Don't tell me you people are so poor you can't even afford genuine rust. "You people." For your information, miss Ji-Young, I exclusively fly Amarrian hulls in service to the Empire. I simply have a basic understanding of how Matari ships work.
Okay, I meant "THESE" people. I picked up that mistake later but I was too lazy to change it, because I figured you'd work that out and respond accordingly instead of raking me over the coals for it. I do actually know about PIE and the Amarr hull thing.
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Lyn Farel
Kitzless
500
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Posted - 2013.05.12 10:12:00 -
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Shintoko Akahoshi wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Elenor Torneau wrote:4. They have superior electronic systems compared to Amarrian vessels. One can quite easily access Galnet and host an entire wing of EWAR to support your fleet. Wait... Seriously? Superior EWAR? Come on. You were doing pretty well until you claimed THAT. EWAR is one of the areas that Minnie ships don't do so well in. Well, she's comparing their EWAR capabilities to the Amarr...
The Amarr electronic systems are still better to my knowledge. |

MisterNick
The Sagan Clan Pax Romana Alliance
233
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Posted - 2013.05.12 11:12:00 -
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Liberty Roach wrote:It's different from ship to ship, but most have the seats made from out of old sofas. They is usually quite comfy in fact
A man can get quite attached to his sofa after having it a while.
"Human beings make life so interesting. Do you know that in a universe so full of wonders, they have managed to invent boredom." |

Cipher7
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
12
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Posted - 2013.05.12 13:14:00 -
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Kim Ji-Young wrote:I saw my first one today. So many questions.
1. How do those things fly, I mean, really? 2. See 1. Also when you turn around in space do you have to do it gently so bits don't fall off the sides or what. 3. I haven't seen the inside of one yet. Not planning to change that, but curious - what sort of decor is it? Do the seats hurt to sit on? 4. Can you access Galnet on one or did you have to dock to read this?
I'm serious. Inquiring minds want to know. I assume some of you fly these things.
1. It's not difficult to make ships spaceworthy, it's difficult to make ships spaceworthy and "cute" 2. The welds and joints on my Typhoon are as strong as anything built by Roden. 3. Seating and accomodations vary, from using simple rugs and pillows for a more homey flavor, to off-the-shelf kits you can order out of a magazine. 4. Oh please, I can access Galnet even planetside, on my phone while sitting on the toilet at my auntie's house |

Ruby Amatucci
Tomorrowland Orphanage Shaktipat Revelators
40
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Posted - 2013.05.12 14:24:00 -
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Cipher7 wrote:4. Oh please, I can access Galnet even planetside, on my phone while sitting on the toilet at my auntie's house I had to look up what a phone was. Wow. That's really ancient, isn't it? It's what people used to communicate with each other back when they were still traveling around on the backs of animals, before neural uplinks and FTL communications and bread were invented.
I had no idea anybody still used that. That's so neat! I'm jealous now. I want a phone, too. |

Xindi Kraid
The Night Wardens Viro Mors Non Est
449
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Posted - 2013.05.12 14:35:00 -
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Kim Ji-Young wrote:I saw my first one today. So many questions.
1. How do those things fly, I mean, really? 2. See 1. Also when you turn around in space do you have to do it gently so bits don't fall off the sides or what. 3. I haven't seen the inside of one yet. Not planning to change that, but curious - what sort of decor is it? Do the seats hurt to sit on? 4. Can you access Galnet on one or did you have to dock to read this?
I'm serious. Inquiring minds want to know. I assume some of you fly these things. Please be aware that being ignorant or not showing proper respect for the capabilities of your enemies leads to you underestimating them. Underestimating your enemy leads to them kicking your ass in most cases, so I would advise you to closely study any and all ships you may encounter in combat, so as not to underestimate them.
As for the wingy bits on Minmatar ships, I always assumed they were heat radiators for thermal regulation. All ships come with reactors, so solar panels shouldn't be needed, and at the same time, due to how radiation decreases with distance, solar panels wouldn't be much use more than a few AU from a star which is bad for a ship supposed to operate in many different locations in many different systems. |
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Cipher7
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
15
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Posted - 2013.05.12 15:40:00 -
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Ruby Amatucci wrote:Cipher7 wrote:4. Oh please, I can access Galnet even planetside, on my phone while sitting on the toilet at my auntie's house I had to look up what a phone was. Wow. That's really ancient, isn't it? It's what people used to communicate with each other back when they were still traveling around on the backs of animals, before neural uplinks and FTL communications and bread were invented. I had no idea anybody still used that. That's so neat! I'm jealous now. I want a phone, too.
Phone, personal communicator, neural implant.
It's all semantics and works on the same principle of transmitting radio waves to a switching mechanism like an FTL transceiver.
For all the claims that Matar are backwards, we seem to be only ones in the universe who actually know how machines work.
PS - I can build you a "phone" ,yes like those old-fashioned devices people used to carry in their pockets, 30 Ghz faster than Lai Dai's devices and best of all not "locked down" so you can easily download media without paying 300 credits per song. Contact me to discuss a fair price. |

Magnus Ituin
Golden Ring Salvage and Industry.
1
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Posted - 2013.05.12 21:05:00 -
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Cipher7 wrote:Ruby Amatucci wrote:Cipher7 wrote:4. Oh please, I can access Galnet even planetside, on my phone while sitting on the toilet at my auntie's house I had to look up what a phone was. Wow. That's really ancient, isn't it? It's what people used to communicate with each other back when they were still traveling around on the backs of animals, before neural uplinks and FTL communications and bread were invented. I had no idea anybody still used that. That's so neat! I'm jealous now. I want a phone, too. Phone, personal communicator, neural implant. It's all semantics and works on the same principle of transmitting radio waves to a switching mechanism like an FTL transceiver. For all the claims that Matar are backwards, we seem to be only ones in the universe who actually know how machines work. PS - I can build you a "phone" ,yes like those old-fashioned devices people used to carry in their pockets, 30 Ghz faster than Lai Dai's devices and best of all not "locked down" so you can easily download media without paying 300 credits per song. Contact me to discuss a fair price.
Hah! I'd take someone who knows they are doing anytime over someone claiming we are backwards because we use a metal that looks like rust.
You looking for employment by any chance Mr. Cipher7? |

Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps Interstellar Online Network
1462
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Posted - 2013.05.12 23:34:00 -
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Magnus Ituin wrote:Hah! I'd take someone who knows they are doing anytime over someone claiming we are backwards because we use a metal that looks like rust.
Oh there are many ways they're backwards, but I'll give credit where it's due: Their ships aren't. Well, their weapons are... and the electronics... but the hulls & engines are quite sound and surprisingly durable, do to so many utterly redundant systems: Which also makes modification quite easy, as whatever you had to throw out to make space probably wasn't really needed in the first place.
Once you rip out the electronics and put some top of the line Caldari computers & shield systems in there, supplement it with Gallente drones & targeting systems, and then reinforce it all with proper Amarrian armor & automatic repair systems... now you've got a very impressive ship. And that's not all sarcasm, either - that "junkiness" is what lets you do all that with ease. Kitbashing all that stuff together into hulls from any of the other three nations is an engineering nightmare, as everything is already fit to very tight specifications & functions. But Minmitar design "sloppiness" gives their ships more room to play, and adding a part here or tossing out a part there make the whole thing fall apart when you turn it on.
To put it in an analogy, working on most ship is like working on a high yield fission reactor. In comparison, working on a Minmatar ship is like working on an old fashioned fossil fuel combustion engine. Guess which is easier to tinker with without exploding?
Sure, ton for ton it's not as powerful, but overwhelming numbers has become an integral part of Minmitar military doctrine - which works when you breed like bunnies ("It's your duty to the tribe, babe! Promote the master bloodline!" Ugh). One Slasher is laughable, but then again there is no such thing as just one Slasher. They attack in swarms, like angry ants, and when your ships are cheap and can be slapped together in hours, those swarms can get massive indeed. Q: Just how bad were missiles and drones nerfed?-á A: They're adding them to Amarr ships now. |

Deerin
Murientor Tribe Defiant Legacy
139
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Posted - 2013.05.13 09:12:00 -
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Kim Ji-Young wrote:I saw my first one today. So many questions.
1. How do those things fly, I mean, really?
Technically there is nowhere to "fall" in space so we are not really flying. Floating is a better term....and our ships are floating damn fast.
Kim Ji-Young wrote:2. See 1. Also when you turn around in space do you have to do it gently so bits don't fall off the sides or what.
This is what we call projectile ammo.
Kim Ji-Young wrote:3. I haven't seen the inside of one yet. Not planning to change that, but curious - what sort of decor is it? Do the seats hurt to sit on?
Internal comforts are irrelevant for a capsuleer who is floating in pod goo.
Kim Ji-Young wrote:4. Can you access Galnet on one or did you have to dock to read this?
Sure we can. Those long warps would be unbearable otherwise.
Kim Ji-Young wrote:I'm serious.
Couldn't tell. |

Denak Calamari
Ozark Cartel White Mountain Coalition
26
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Posted - 2013.05.13 12:26:00 -
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I'm not sure if I should be laughing or crying at the ignorance of Ms. Ji-Young. Probably the former. Immortality is overrated. |

Eli Green
The Arrow Project
653
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Posted - 2013.05.13 12:34:00 -
[46] - Quote
Denak Calamari wrote:I'm not sure if I should be laughing or crying at the ignorance of Ms. Ji-Young. Probably the former.
why not cry with laughter? then you can do both just to be sure! wumbo |

Xindi Kraid
The Night Wardens Viro Mors Non Est
460
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Posted - 2013.05.13 13:30:00 -
[47] - Quote
Well we can laugh about it, but anyone Amarr capsuleers should be deeply ashamed of the apparent poor quality of education from their alma matter (or that they pass students who don't pay attention in the "how not to die" classes) |

Kalanaja
Dog Nation United ProtoStar Federation
39
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Posted - 2013.05.13 15:19:00 -
[48] - Quote
I'm a ship engineer by trade along with cargo handling. The use of fernite carbide ceramic composite makes for a lower mass ship along with the use of brute force lower tech thrusters to push it. Since we use fission as a power source a way to radiate the heat from them is needed so the radiator panels which look like solar panels aren't actually at all. They are both sensor and heat radiators. |

Denak Calamari
Ozark Cartel White Mountain Coalition
26
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Posted - 2013.05.13 16:29:00 -
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Eli Green wrote:Denak Calamari wrote:I'm not sure if I should be laughing or crying at the ignorance of Ms. Ji-Young. Probably the former. why not cry with laughter? then you can do both just to be sure!
Laughing so hard that I shed tears? I like that idea! Immortality is overrated. |

Job Valador
Super Moose Defence Force Smug Delinquents
48
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Posted - 2013.05.15 16:59:00 -
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Too bad you did not have a proper navy education but I can not blame the blindness of amarrian educators these days so I do not blame you Ms. Ji- Young. However it is the skill of the captain and his/her crew that decides the outcome of engagements, not the specs of the ship itself.
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Rule 34 ^ |
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Milton Middleson
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
272
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Posted - 2013.05.16 01:34:00 -
[51] - Quote
Stitcher wrote:
Don't let the downmarket ones like the Slasher fool you, Matari ships are just as solidly engineered and spaceworth as the efforts of any of the other empires, and come with the additional advantage of being easier to maintain and repair.
The Slasher, sir, is an engineering miracle.
Katran Luftschreck wrote:One Slasher is laughable
This is a sentiment that will take you far in life as a frigate pilot, and will not lead to the loss of your expensive Imperial Navy-issue frigate to a ship that cost less than your guns. |

Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
1478
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Posted - 2013.05.16 02:03:00 -
[52] - Quote
Milton Middleson wrote:This is a sentiment that will take you far in life as a frigate pilot, and will not lead to the loss of your expensive Imperial Navy-issue frigate to a ship that cost less than your guns.
Now that I'm looking at the fittings on my Slicer, running price checks on the T2s and the Scorches... as well as their stats. Yes, I agree with you. This is exactly the case.
The day CCP codes together a bot program that slaps 30 day forum bans on anyone who says "can I have your stuff?" the overall average IQ of the EvE forums will quintuple overnight. |

Kirjava
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
6463
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Posted - 2013.05.16 03:37:00 -
[53] - Quote
Heinel Coventina wrote:That said though, I do find the solar panels to be a very odd design.
What if it got blasted away by a stray hybrid charge? Does the ship get no power? I believe those are the radiators.
The technical term I am informed, is the "top wingy bit" or "bottom wingy bit". Personaly I call them targets of opportunity, a reactor goes critical faster when there is nowhere to dump excess heat but inside the vessel.
Ideally to the cargo hold.
Full of ammo.
Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. Cardinal Kirjava - Redeclaring the Crusade in the name of the Goddess since 2012. /S¦¦GùòGÇ+GÇ+GùòS¦¦\ |

Xindi Kraid
The Night Wardens Viro Mors Non Est
489
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Posted - 2013.05.16 04:55:00 -
[54] - Quote
Kirjava wrote:[quote=Heinel Coventina]Personaly I call them targets of opportunity, a reactor goes critical faster when there is nowhere to dump excess heat but inside the vessel. Well, good ship designs have internal heat sinks in the form of a solid mass (ie. a block of metal) to dump the heat to so it doesn't get dumped into the shipboard environment or remain in the systems, though once they are saturated, you are back to that problem. Also, only the most ancient of reactor designs melt down when they overheat, newer antiques up to the modern reactors are designed so power (and, thus heat) output decreases with heat past a certain threshold.
Given the nature of ship combat where capsuleers are involved, the ship is likely going to be destroyed before the systems overheat. If the ship isn't destroyed by then, the crew is probably dead of heat exhaustion and some of the systems are nonfunctional before the ammo cooks off. |

Caellach Marellus
Aideron Technologies
955
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Posted - 2013.05.16 05:35:00 -
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Katran Luftschreck wrote:Milton Middleson wrote:This is a sentiment that will take you far in life as a frigate pilot, and will not lead to the loss of your expensive Imperial Navy-issue frigate to a ship that cost less than your guns. Now that I'm looking at the fittings on my Slicer, running price checks on the T2s and the Scorches... as well as their stats. Yes, I agree with you. This is exactly the case.
Even the best fitted ships are useless in the hands of inexperienced and/or clueless pilots.
Meanwhile "lesser" ships can be lethal in the hands of those who know frigate combat like the back of their hand.
Somewhere there is a loss mail I'm sure of a Slicer pilot who had no idea what he was doing the day a Slasher took his ship apart. Enjoy your gaming.
http://northern-goblin.blogspot.com |

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
2765
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Posted - 2013.05.16 07:10:00 -
[56] - Quote
I used to think they were held together with a material known as "Duck Tape". Though how tape would be made from ducks is a mystery to me.
Eventually I learned to fly them, and while they are not necessarily held together with tape (except for the interior and wiring) they do lack in paint. The Minmatar didn't have time to paint ships in their early desperate days so they never got into bothering with it. Besides the rust matches the background of their space too. It's not really rust anyway, more of a patina, and if you look closely there is a sheen on them.
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