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Hamsterrama
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Posted - 2005.10.11 14:44:00 -
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About time they do this. Criminally flag em you can bet that I'll be carrying some a rather nasty ammount of drones and webber/ warp scrambler when this comes into effect 8)
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Gwenvahar
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Posted - 2005.10.11 14:48:00 -
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Odds are, those who would be a thief after the fix will have nothing for you, because they will all be newb's who are unaware of the danger. In low sec space, nothing will change much.
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Kurren
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Posted - 2005.10.11 15:08:00 -
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Other than the fact that you can shoot them... Killing those who've stolen from you brings on twice as much joy as the loot itself!
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Serpensis
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Posted - 2005.10.11 15:10:00 -
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any news on _when_ this will be in effect?
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M3ta7h3ad
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Posted - 2005.10.11 15:18:00 -
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I wonder how this will work with mining ops.
Personally I think It'll result in a lot of newbies dying straight away. They'll shoot at the badger II coming alongside them, then get the full brunt of 2 small smart bombs going off on their little mining frigate at about 50mtr range.
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Avon
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Posted - 2005.10.11 15:19:00 -
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 Originally by: M3ta7h3ad
I wonder how this will work with mining ops.
Personally I think It'll result in a lot of newbies dying straight away. They'll shoot at the badger II coming alongside them, then get the full brunt of 2 small smart bombs going off on their little mining frigate at about 50mtr range.
Nah, with a BmII you are going to jam them and scramble them until they log off. 
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Kurren
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Posted - 2005.10.11 15:32:00 -
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Originally by: M3ta7h3ad
I wonder how this will work with mining ops.
Personally I think It'll result in a lot of newbies dying straight away. They'll shoot at the badger II coming alongside them, then get the full brunt of 2 small smart bombs going off on their little mining frigate at about 50mtr range.
It may, but you gotta learn somehow that you don't use smart bombs for any type of combat in safe space cause it has a possibility of hitting someone doing nothing and getting everything f.k.d... for the seasoned players though, it'll be a great thing... exacting revenge on thieves... BRILLIANT!
And I coulda swore it was gonna happen in November...
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2005.10.11 15:38:00 -
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thats been on the "in testing" for a few months IIRC. i wonder how long it will stay?
i dnt think its ever been rolled out across SiSi. besides, who ore thieves on Sisi? 
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SengH
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Posted - 2005.10.11 15:39:00 -
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It'll just result in people teaming up to do ore theiving.... get a blasterthron to create his own can and shift the ore into there and his buddy to take out of it...
Situation 1: Person gets angry shoots the blasterthron .. gets popped
Situation 2: Person gets angry takes out of the blasterthrons can .. gets popped
Were back to square 1 again :P this time with the miner getting ganked :P
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Jemba'k Ko'cha
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Posted - 2005.10.11 15:40:00 -
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its a good move from ccp. they arnt stopping the theives from theiving, which is good. but they ARE allowing people to defend what is their property, which is how it should be.
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Liu Kaskakka
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Posted - 2005.10.11 15:40:00 -
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I bet its the miners who are going to get "the gank" .. ^^
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CelticKnight
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Posted - 2005.10.11 15:54:00 -
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ah ha! if people are goig to use 2 accts, well they cant BOTH be alts can they? :) it will let us SEE who the real person is... perfect for the ganking :)
Originally by: Oveur
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Nero Scuro
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Posted - 2005.10.11 15:55:00 -
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Nah, this is a good change. Stops alts from ore thieving, leaving the people dedicated to ore thievery doing it just as easily (with the possibility that they'll be able to gank a stupid miner!).
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Waldo Barnstormer
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Posted - 2005.10.11 15:55:00 -
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what im wondering about this though is:
1) will everyone be able to shoot the thieves, or just the miner?
2) assuming that its just the miner who can attack, can someone who is ganged with the miner attack? the miners corp? - a subnote to this if someone who is ganged with you is allowed to attack the thief, can you gang with them after the fact? This could lead to a new species of player who gangs with random miners upon request in order to blow up ore thieves.
3) how long does this criminal flag last?
4) Is the criminal tag optional? Some people mine together etc without being in the same corp
5) what if I find a dead persons can, and they're nor around, can i loot it, or will i then be a criminal who's gonna get my ass handed to me?
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Severe McCald
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Posted - 2005.10.11 16:02:00 -
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What will happen with group mining ops in which (for whatever reason) the hauler and can owner are not ganged? Will the hauler be criminal flagged?
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We are what we repeatedly do - Aristotle.
That has got to be a worry.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2005.10.11 16:07:00 -
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"It'll just result in people teaming up to do ore theiving.... get a blasterthron to create his own can and shift the ore into there and his buddy to take out of it...
Situation 1: Person gets angry shoots the blasterthron .. gets popped"
If i understand it right, the aggression system is designed in way that's supposed to not allow exactly that:
blasterthron guy pulls ore from someone's can -- they're flagged as fair game. The owner of can can shoot them without becoming 'fair game' to attack from the original thief.
This means if the blasterthron guy pulls stuff from the can, gets flagged, gets shot and tries to shoot back -- CONCORD considers them to basically 'attack an innocent', warps in and does its usual thing.
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Kurren
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Posted - 2005.10.11 16:08:00 -
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Originally by: Waldo Barnstormer
what im wondering about this though is:
1) will everyone be able to shoot the thieves, or just the miner?
2) assuming that its just the miner who can attack, can someone who is ganged with the miner attack? the miners corp? - a subnote to this if someone who is ganged with you is allowed to attack the thief, can you gang with them after the fact? This could lead to a new species of player who gangs with random miners upon request in order to blow up ore thieves.
3) how long does this criminal flag last?
4) Is the criminal tag optional? Some people mine together etc without being in the same corp
5) what if I find a dead persons can, and they're nor around, can i loot it, or will i then be a criminal who's gonna get my ass handed to me?
If you're mining with somebody... and they take your ore... and you're ok with it........ DON'T SHOOT THEM! Sorry bout that... but sarcasm prevailed despite best efforts
Personally if somebody dies, or isn't there, I think the loot is fair game. If they wanted it, they can always look for the red flashing in their overview. And I think they said the tag would last 24 hours. Ample time to check a few systems for StickFingers McGee
And and... mercs will have something to do between wars, hired protection.... float by the can making sure it's in optimal range.. and just f.k.d anybody that decides to step on your toes.
After this I'll shut up... as per number 4... maybe a window could pop up saying "Such-n-such is attepting to take your goodies... he's not in your group... is he your friend? (Yes) (No)" Depending on whatever you click... he either does or doesn't get crimy flagged. Either way he can still attempt stealing your goodies.
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Nero Scuro
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Posted - 2005.10.11 16:13:00 -
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Originally by: Waldo Barnstormer
what im wondering about this though is:
1) will everyone be able to shoot the thieves, or just the miner?
2) assuming that its just the miner who can attack, can someone who is ganged with the miner attack? the miners corp? - a subnote to this if someone who is ganged with you is allowed to attack the thief, can you gang with them after the fact? This could lead to a new species of player who gangs with random miners upon request in order to blow up ore thieves.
3) how long does this criminal flag last?
4) Is the criminal tag optional? Some people mine together etc without being in the same corp
5) what if I find a dead persons can, and they're nor around, can i loot it, or will i then be a criminal who's gonna get my ass handed to me?
Criminal flag pilots that take from jettisoned cans which don't belong to them
This is needed to allow the owner of the can to shoot the one taking from his own jettisoned can and to allow the owner to shoot anyone taking from the loot cans which drop from the NPC's the owner destroyed. This does NOT include a CONCORD response, only enables the owner to shoot without getting CONCORDOKENED himself. Could be applied to agent missions too, registering jettisoned containers to the mission owner.
Just the miner can shoot. I presume it will work like -5 sec status flagging, in which you can shoot at the flagged person but when you do, they can shoot back.
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Hamsterrama
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Posted - 2005.10.11 16:19:00 -
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Mayeb they will have a security setting for gangs so that you can set loot rules to gang mebers so they don't get a negative flag
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Abvrasious
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Posted - 2005.10.11 16:23:00 -
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I would assume that CCP will make it so that people in your gang aren't flagged. That would stop the problem of haulers getting tagged. Even if you mine with people outside your Corp, you can still gang with them, so that would work.
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Bhaal
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Posted - 2005.10.11 16:25:00 -
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I forsee a lot of mining barges getting popped in empire space.
I can smell it...
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Ikvar
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Posted - 2005.10.11 16:26:00 -
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Originally by: Hamsterrama
About time they do this. Criminally flag em you can bet that I'll be carrying some a rather nasty ammount of drones and webber/ warp scrambler when this comes into effect 8)
Omg, you're going to kill people with your mining barge? I'm sure they're positively quivering in their little ore theif boots 
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SengH
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Posted - 2005.10.11 16:30:00 -
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Alternatively you could just use the mammoth and fit 4 racial jammers of the race that the can belongs to. Lock them up before you take from their can and once they start firing jam away. :P
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Kin Hanyerec
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Posted - 2005.10.11 16:33:00 -
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what if someone start dropping cans near a mining barge until this one cannot move, and wait it to pick one of the cans to wtfpwn it ?
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SengH
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Posted - 2005.10.11 16:35:00 -
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foremostly when this goes live... I think it'll be known as the day the macrominers died :P
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Waldo Barnstormer
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Posted - 2005.10.11 16:35:00 -
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Originally by: Kurren
If you're mining with somebody... and they take your ore... and you're ok with it........ DON'T SHOOT THEM! Sorry bout that... but sarcasm prevailed despite best efforts
thats great, i'll be sure to tell my drones not to attack anyone i consider a friend then shall i? :|
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Harry Voyager
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Posted - 2005.10.11 16:41:00 -
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Trick 3 is to set up one account in your happy FLAC Tempest, and your other account in your grumpy barge, and have the Tempest be the owner of the can.
Warp it out to a safe spot, and line it up for warping back in a hurry, and you've got the perfect "Oh 7448!" surprise.
Almost makes me want to go mining again.
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Burnhard Brutor
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Posted - 2005.10.11 16:42:00 -
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Edited by: Burnhard Brutor on 11/10/2005 16:44:12
Originally by: Kin Hanyerec
what if someone start dropping cans near a mining barge until this one cannot move, and wait it to pick one of the cans to wtfpwn it ?
Typical of the kind of mentality that gets piracy nerfed. When a new game mechanic arrives, think of a way of exploiting/causing as much grief to someone else as possible. 3 months later, it gets hit with the nerf bat and all the pirate carebears are up in arms.
IF YOU PUT YOUR WILLY INTO A FOOD MIXER, IT'S GOING TO HURT.
There is so much cool stuff that CCP could implement that will never see the light of day because of attitudes like this.
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SengH
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Posted - 2005.10.11 16:50:00 -
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still but whats preventing people from using alts to launder and clean the ore so they can steal it just fine.
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Kurren
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Posted - 2005.10.11 17:15:00 -
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Originally by: SengH
Alternatively you could just use the mammoth and fit 4 racial jammers of the race that the can belongs to. Lock them up before you take from their can and once they start firing jam away. :P
You do that and CONCORD fires on the thief... you have to crimy flagged for the fight to be legal, and you have to be fired upon in order to fire back... and jammers or anything will be considered firing upon somebody.
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