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Bertrand Butler Cras es Noster 6	Posted - 2013.05.12 16:20:00 - [1] - Quote Hello, I need some help on a loadout for a friend managing a mining corp. This is not a dual boxing setup, a lot of miners will be involved. This Orca will be used in HS as a support ship for a squad of Macks. Im not concerned about cargo capacity, but mainly about helping the flotilla be more efficient and resilient against surprise ganking. [Orca, Orca HSfcs] Damage Control II Reinforced Bulkheads II Survey Scanner II Kinetic Deflection Field II Thermic Dissipation Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Small Tractor Beam II Mining Foreman Link - Laser Optimization I Siege Warfare Link - Shield Harmonizing I Large Core Defense Field Extender I Large Core Defense Field Extender I Large Core Defense Field Extender I Hornet EC-300 x5 Hammerhead II x5 This is designed to boost mining efficiency, carry in cans, assign targets and boost shield resistances. EHP is 298k against AM and 296k against void. [Mackinaw, HSfsim] Ice Harvester Upgrade II Damage Control II Co-Processor II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Kinetic Deflection Field II Thermic Dissipation Field II Medium Azeotropic Ward Salubrity I Ice Harvester II Ice Harvester II Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Warrior II x5 Hornet EC-300 x5 Yield with one IHU and the link 13.10/s EHP is 58.5k against AM and 57.5k against void. How does it look? Is there a way to boost efficiency without compromising tanking for the fleet? Any feedback would be vastly appreciated, cheers...C:
Tsukino Stareine EVE University Ivy League 160	Posted - 2013.05.12 16:29:00 - [2] - Quote Shouldn't the orca be in a pos? Or will you be using it to store ore?
Bertrand Butler Cras es Noster 6	Posted - 2013.05.12 16:40:00 - [3] - Quote The fleet will be operating in HS fields (and later, anomalies) very close to the corp HQ and a trade hub. There is no need to store an excess of ice in this Orca, moving it via other means would give a very fast turnaround.
Tsukino Stareine EVE University Ivy League 160	Posted - 2013.05.12 16:47:00 - [4] - Quote So put it in a pos and fit 3 gang links on it forget the tank
Bertrand Butler Cras es Noster 6	Posted - 2013.05.12 17:23:00 - [5] - Quote There is no POS. Also, there are some reasons to keep the Orca in the grid, both for organizational and logistic purposes (moving around the ore, holding and dividing it for haulers, helping kill the gurista rat spawns before they jam (60km effective range), having eyes on the grid as flotilla FC etc) .
Tsukino Stareine EVE University Ivy League 161	Posted - 2013.05.12 17:27:00 - [6] - Quote Ok that's the info I needed :) Really an orca tanked like that won't ever die to something that's under it's value. Might want to fit a smart bomb just to get on some killmails if someone REALLY wants you dead but I can't see it happening. Can't see anything wrong with the mack fits. Looks good to go.
Bertrand Butler Cras es Noster 6	Posted - 2013.05.12 17:50:00 - [7] - Quote Thanks for the feedback...C: I was wondering whether the Skiff would be a good substitute for the Macks. Here is a variant: [Skiff, HSfsim] Damage Control II Ice Harvester Upgrade II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Kinetic Deflection Field II Thermic Dissipation Field II Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Medium Shield Extender II Ice Harvester II Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Hobgoblin II x5 Hornet EC-300 x5 Same yield, with one IHU and the link 13.10/s EHP is 144k against AM and 141k against void. Since the Orca FC would manage cans and all the miners would be atk (this is a joint fleet social activity for corp members), having Skiffs out would maybe be a good substitute. Would the bad cargo bay tramp efficiency? I have heard almost everywhere that the Mack is by far the most suitable ice mining ship.
Tsukino Stareine EVE University Ivy League 161	Posted - 2013.05.12 19:16:00 - [8] - Quote If you use skiffs you're almost guaranteed to not have anyone attempt to suicide gank you (they will be in for a horrible surprise if they do however I would tell your miners to align out if 40 nados land on grid). Yield obviously will take a hit but i mean unless you've seriously pissed someone off who has access to either mercs or a lot of gank ships I would just stick with the macks. Though from your posts its almost as if you're expecting to be attacked...
Bertrand Butler Cras es Noster 6	Posted - 2013.05.13 03:34:00 - [9] - Quote We dont really expect to be attacked, unless of course we are wardecced. In that case, this fleet with minor module alterations may act as a nice bait for a couple of friends in sniper boats. The Skiff has the same yield as the Mack, I was wondering whether the reduced cargohold would make logistics very inefficient.
Tsukino Stareine EVE University Ivy League 163	Posted - 2013.05.13 03:40:00 - [10] - Quote well if you park your orca near them it won't make much of a difference. Only problem is: how does ore get from orca to station?
Bertrand Butler Cras es Noster 6	Posted - 2013.05.13 04:08:00 - [11] - Quote I was thinking of sth like this. It can stay hidden when not needed and also be used for scouting for attacks and probing for signatures along the way. We can also use an Orca hauler for the job, my friend has 3 players in the corp that can fly one. [Iteron Mark V, HSpMC] Expanded Cargohold II Expanded Cargohold II Expanded Cargohold II Expanded Cargohold II Expanded Cargohold II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Kinetic Deflection Field II Thermic Dissipation Field II Medium Shield Extender II Medium Shield Extender II Improved Cloaking Device II Expanded Probe Launcher II, Core Scanner Probe I Medium Cargohold Optimization I Medium Cargohold Optimization I Medium Cargohold Optimization I 38.4k without cans, good buffer against ganking.
Mara Pahrdi The Order of Anoyia 341	Posted - 2013.05.13 04:37:00 - [12] - Quote Bertrand Butler wrote: We can also use an Orca hauler for the job, my friend has 3 players in the corp that can fly one. Use an Orca for hauling. You mentioned "a lot of miners". Your macks will fill that Orca pretty fast. That would also make the third high on your boosting Orca available to a third link, since you could fit the tractor beams on the hauling Orca. Remove insurance.
Bloody Wench 338	Posted - 2013.05.13 04:41:00 - [13] - Quote I've been cruising some of the ice belts around the place for my own amusement and noticed on more than one occasion a freighter in several blobs of macks/skiffs. I didn't think you could use a freighter in such a way, but why else would they be there? IIRC there was some freighter changes a while back maybe that has something to do with it. I CBF looking them up frankly. Might be something to consider. Support a Hi Resolution Texture Pack
Termy Rockling EVE University Ivy League 46	Posted - 2013.05.13 05:36:00 - [14] - Quote Freight containers can be used as giant cans nowdays.
Ersahi Kir Infinite Mobility SpaceMonkey's Alliance 151	Posted - 2013.05.13 05:46:00 - [15] - Quote Bertrand Butler wrote: Hello, I need some help on a loadout for a friend managing a mining corp. This is not a multi boxing setup, a lot of miners will be involved. This Orca will be used in HS as a support ship for a squad of Macks. Im not concerned about cargo capacity, but mainly about helping the flotilla be more efficient and resilient against surprise ganking. [Orca, Orca HSfcs] Damage Control II Reinforced Bulkheads II Survey Scanner II Kinetic Deflection Field II Thermic Dissipation Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Small Tractor Beam II Mining Foreman Link - Laser Optimization I Siege Warfare Link - Shield Harmonizing I Large Core Defense Field Extender I Large Core Defense Field Extender I Large Core Defense Field Extender I Hornet EC-300 x5 Hammerhead II x5 The survey scanner doesn't really do anything useful for you if you're ice mining. Drop it for another hardener, probably EM so you don't leave a giant hole in your resists. Most of your EHP is honestly coming from hull regardless, so it doesn't make much of a difference. I'm not sure how all the flagging system works now adays, but a large shield transporter could also work instead of the tractor. I would double check to ensure they don't have something funky going on with suspect on ganks when using shield transporters. I'm not an expert on how the new system works. Bertrand Butler wrote: [Mackinaw, HSfsim] Ice Harvester Upgrade II Damage Control II Co-Processor II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Kinetic Deflection Field II Thermic Dissipation Field II Medium Azeotropic Ward Salubrity I Ice Harvester II Ice Harvester II Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Warrior II x5 Hornet EC-300 x5 Yield with one IHU and the link 13.10/s EHP is 58.5k against AM and 57.5k against void. As a general rule, once you remove a yield low from a mack all they have going for them is cargo. If they're not hauling ice back to station you should probably fly something else. A retriever is one choice, with 3 ice harvester upgrades in the lows for max yield, and you isk tank it. Another option is to go up to a skiff. Here's a fit that I have used: Highs Ice harvester II Mids 2x medium shield extender II 1x invurn field II 2x resistance amp II (I use em + therm, but fit your own taste) lows 2x ice harvester upgrade II rigs 1x shield extender rig 1x ice harvester ric -or- 1x more shield extender rig Basically, if ore hold isn't a factor, once you dedicate one low to tank a mack a yield retriever will out mine it while being super cheap, or the skiff will get the same yield with a much better tank. But play around with the fittings and see what you can come up with
Marc Callan Interstellar Steel Templis Dragonaors 154	Posted - 2013.05.13 08:26:00 - [16] - Quote Actually, with recent freighter changes, it's not unheard of for a freighter to shadow the Orca and withdraw ore (or ice) directly from the Orca's fleet hangar. With the freighter's hold, you don't need to worry about the Orca's cargo capacity, and can basically dedicate the Orca to boosting and receiving from the barges/exhumers. "Nevertheless a prince ought to inspire fear in such a way that, if he does not win love, he avoids hatred..." - Niccolo Machiavelli-á
Bertrand Butler Cras es Noster 6	Posted - 2013.05.13 10:21:00 - [17] - Quote Thanks for the feedback guys, I had no idea that a freighter could be used in that role. Will have to inquire on whether there are some freighter pilots available in the corp and willing to assist mining ops. I see no use to EM resistance mods for tanking a mining ship in HS since suicide gankers predominantly use hybrid weapons in belts, and the Orca will not have expensive cargo on it (that may attract some miniluv alpha goodness). Of course, if we are wardecced then changing a resist mod to plug the hole is trivial. I will remove the survey scanner from the FC Orca, and place a LSEII there, together with a third link. Here is the current variant: [Orca, HSimFC] Damage Control II Reinforced Bulkheads II Large Shield Extender II Kinetic Deflection Field II Thermic Dissipation Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Mining Foreman Link - Mining Laser Field Enhancement I Mining Foreman Link - Laser Optimization I Siege Warfare Link - Shield Harmonizing I Large Core Defense Field Extender I Large Core Defense Field Extender I Large Core Defense Field Extender I Hornet EC-300 x5 Hammerhead II x5 323k vs AM, 320k vs Void. 241k vs pure EM. The comment about the Mack yield convinced me to utilize the Skiff. I will use an IHA though instead of the 2nd extender, to buff the yield a little more... [Skiff, HSTim] Damage Control II Ice Harvester Upgrade II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Kinetic Deflection Field II Thermic Dissipation Field II Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Medium Shield Extender II Ice Harvester II Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Ice Harvester Accelerator I Hobgoblin II x5 Hornet EC-300 x5 Yield is 14.9, EHP is 129k vs AM and 127k vs Void. 74.4k vs pure EM. We really want the hauler to spend the least amount of time exposed in the field, and we also do not need much more capacity than the FC Orca holds. So I was thinking of sth like this: [Orca, Orca HSH] Damage Control II Inertia Stabilizers II Kinetic Deflection Field II Thermic Dissipation Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Prototype 100MN Microwarpdrive I Small Tractor Beam II Small Tractor Beam II Small Tractor Beam II Large Cargohold Optimization I Large Cargohold Optimization I Large Ancillary Current Router I Hornet EC-300 x5 Hammerhead II x5 10s warp out and a little more cargo for cubes. Lastly, I thought of adding a dedicated ratter in the group, that might help with keeping the skiffs mining in gurista space. It can also back up as an anti-spotter...spotter...XD [Corax, HSmR-S] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Script Passive Targeter II Cargo Scanner II Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I Prototype 'Arbalest' Light Missile Launcher, Scourge Light Missile Prototype 'Arbalest' Light Missile Launcher, Scourge Light Missile Prototype 'Arbalest' Light Missile Launcher, Scourge Light Missile Prototype 'Arbalest' Light Missile Launcher, Scourge Light Missile Prototype 'Arbalest' Light Missile Launcher, Scourge Light Missile Prototype 'Arbalest' Light Missile Launcher, Scourge Light Missile Prototype 'Arbalest' Light Missile Launcher, Scourge Light Missile Small Bay Loading Accelerator I Small Rocket Fuel Cache Partition I Small Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I 170DPS @ 83.7km with T1 scourge Fast enough to move around the field and catch things Passive targeting of spotters @ 70km How does the above fleet setup look? Any feedback would be vastly appreciated, cheers...
Marc Callan Interstellar Steel Templis Dragonaors 154	Posted - 2013.05.13 10:40:00 - [18] - Quote Sounds like you've put a lot of work into it, and I hope you prosper thereby. A couple of things you might consider adding, depending on whether you think it's worth it: you can fit a Blackbird and a logi cruiser (either an Osprey or a Scythe) into an Orca's ship maintenance array, so if you've got a dicey situation and you want to go proactive against gankers, you might have a couple of your miners swap ships, to jam out the gankers and/or deliver shield reps to any ship that's under fire. "Nevertheless a prince ought to inspire fear in such a way that, if he does not win love, he avoids hatred..." - Niccolo Machiavelli-á
Bertrand Butler Cras es Noster 6	Posted - 2013.05.13 11:10:00 - [19] - Quote Thanks for the feedback. Utilizing the fleet as a bait target in case of war deccing will certainly mean utilizing the Orca hangar for some surprise goodness. But due to the way suicide ganking works, you do not really have the time to do much against it. Between warping on grid and finishing, you have about 15-20s max to try and remove some DPS from the gang. Also, the element of surprise lies completely with the jihad squad. So keeping an eye for spotters via the Corax and having enough EHP to make yourself unprofitable (or to be exact, other targets more profitable) is the best course of action I think. Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against suicide ganking. Its very fun, adds content to the game and makes mining that much interesting (both for the gankers and the miners). That doesnt mean though that we dont have to prepare for it, and teach our players how to mine properly. The upcoming changes to ice mining in Odyssey is the best thing that happened to mining in a long time, thwarting botting (to an extent) and promoting socialization and atk gameplay.
Ronix Aideron Shockwave Innovations Shockwave Sovereign Industries 94	Posted - 2013.05.13 13:14:00 - [20] - Quote This sort of depends on what your definition of a lot of miners is. I would say use the Orca for boost and the Itty 5 for hauling. With level 5 skills and that fit you can haul 38 blocks of ice per trip. Unlike ore each cycle of the ice harvester will only give you one block of ice. Your hauler can easily outrun the lasers if there is a station in the system. It would take 38 skiffs or 19 mack's to mine more than the hauler can do in a trip. I would use the freighter to move the ice from the station to the trade hub/refinery. http://eveboard.com/pilot/Ronix_Aideron
Bertrand Butler Cras es Noster 6	Posted - 2013.05.13 13:19:00 - [21] - Quote Its certainly a viable alternative, and also a cheap one too. I think I can utilize both methods, depending on who is online at that time for the mining ops (as I said we have 3 orca players, but a lot more can fit itty Vs). C:
Ersahi Kir Infinite Mobility SpaceMonkey's Alliance 151	Posted - 2013.05.13 16:52:00 - [22] - Quote Bertrand Butler wrote: How does the above fleet setup look? Any feedback would be vastly appreciated, cheers... The damage control on the skiff is kind of overkill IMO. It does offer a lot of extra protection, but you're way past the point of being the easiest target just by being in a tanked skiff. Unless they're coming after you personally they're going to pick softer targets. It's a risk vs reward trade off though, so do what feels right to you. The corax doesn't add much to the fleet either. If the orca/skiffs have even marginal drone skills the rats will be quickly dispatched, so having a dedicated destroyer boat hanging out seems like a waste. Even if you get jammed, if you re-target the rock before the cycle ends you still get the ice. If you have a spare pilot I think a scythe would be a better choice. It can lock up 8 barges and pretty much **** block a gank attempt. But that's a boring job unless one of the miners is dual boxing.
Bertrand Butler Cras es Noster 6	Posted - 2013.05.13 17:37:00 - [23] - Quote Thanks for the feedback. I would like to keep the DC on, max yield is not the absolute target for this setup. Regarding the Corax, I think it can help with the fleet OP (and I will be the one flying that). A problem that you may encounter in caldari 0.7 and 0.6 space is gurista despoilers and saboteurs trying to jam the ships. The range on those ships is significantly more than the targeting range of exhumers, and the Orcas drones may or may not have the range to intercept them depending on where they spawn in the field (it is a given that th skiffs would not be bundled up due to suicide SB reasons). Also another fun part is that the Corax can be used as a spotter for ganking recon ships that passively target and analyze the ships before acting as warp beacons for a jihad squad. Having an amateur suicide ganking alt myself (and enjoying using it greatly), its only reasonable to use the Corax to spot them and...dispatch them in my blaster alt if they have chosen a low EHP setup (I find that they tend to do so many times). C: Overall, the reason for this fleet is to educate newbie (or not) miners in combined fleet ops, and preparing them for using skill plans and setups that can protect them against pirate aggression and get them ready to take the next step (WH and null ops). The ultimate goal is to make our miners behave like PvP players, acknowledging risks in their given profession and developing the mentality of wanting more social interaction in the game, while adding content of their own in case of a gank or a wardec instead of just dropping corp or docking indefinitely. The name of the fleet will be "The HTFU Train" after all...XD
Ersahi Kir Infinite Mobility SpaceMonkey's Alliance 151	Posted - 2013.05.13 18:26:00 - [24] - Quote Procurers are beasts.
Hae Sung Da Learnin Corp 27	Posted - 2013.05.13 21:35:00 - [25] - Quote As other people have mentioned, freight containers make good dump points for mining operations. Some salient points on them: Packaged Enormous Freight Containers take up 2500 m3 in your cargo hold. Our Orca generally holds 10+ of them for operations. When Deployed the EFC holds 250k m3 - enough for several eager miners. EFCs have no spawn timer and will persist after downtime Only the person who deployed the freight container can deposit stuff into it. An Orca with a tractor beam works well for this. Freighters in the same fleet can "scoop" the EFC into their cargo holds, holding generally 3 at a time. For Ore or Ice operations I will position the Orca centrally to the group of miners and they jetison ore/ice as necessary from their holds for continuous operations. Orca player tractors ore in and deposits to EFC. Freighter pilot (one of our miners) goes and grabs freighter as necessary to pick up 3 EFCs at a time and ferry to destination before returning to mine. Orca pilot is equipped with web/scrams in mids in case someone gets froggy and wants to steal from the can.
Tsukino Stareine EVE University Ivy League 170	Posted - 2013.05.14 00:13:00 - [26] - Quote I really don't understand people who try and steal from cans of mining ops. How much can they realistically get in a non-industrial XD?
Hae Sung Da Learnin Corp 27	Posted - 2013.05.14 00:36:00 - [27] - Quote Tsukino Stareine wrote: I really don't understand people who try and steal from cans of mining ops. How much can they realistically get in a non-industrial XD? Well, with a freighter of their own they can get quite a bit. The same with Mackinaws doing a drive by pickup. Why mine for 30 mins when you can just dip into the can and take what you need? This article/ALOD may amuse you if you haven't already seen it: http://themittani.com/news/alod-neighborhood-watch
Tsukino Stareine EVE University Ivy League 171	Posted - 2013.05.14 00:53:00 - [28] - Quote Well obviously is a freighter just decides to park next to your can, you're going to have plenty of time to reship into a T1 frigate with a point and hold it ransom if the pilot is a complete moron and takes something from it XD. Much like the one in that article.
Huttan Funaila Terminal Radioactivity 177	Posted - 2013.05.14 01:02:00 - [29] - Quote Tsukino Stareine wrote: I really don't understand people who try and steal from cans of mining ops. How much can they realistically get in a non-industrial XD? Can flipping is not about theft, it is about getting a "limited engagement" flag so you can come back in the next 15 minutes and pop the miners without concord bothering you.
Tsukino Stareine EVE University Ivy League 171	Posted - 2013.05.14 01:06:00 - [30] - Quote that's only if the person who own's the can performs a hostile action against the flipper? Although i guess you don't have much choice if they transfer all your ore to their own can.

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