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Remedial
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Posted - 2005.10.12 02:30:00 -
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This is the story of GoonFleet, a corp that at its peak, held roughly 160 new trial accounts for people trying out the world of Eve, and sent gangs of 50+ people in crappy T1 frigates hurtling to their doom in Syndicate in the name of good fun. This is also the story of how the directors of GoonFleet managed to recruit dozens of new or reactivated paid-for accounts to Eve in the space of three weeks.
There's a humor website on the internet called Something Awful, which you can find at www.somethingawful.com, and on that website there is a very large forums community (so large that the guy who runs the site, Lowtax, charges $10 for a lifetime account) that has all sorts of subforum topics like Games, Debate and Discussion, Sports Arguments, on and on. It's a really great community of people who are slightly more intelligent than the average internet l33tsp34k3r and definitely more humorous. People who belong to this community are called "Goons", and there are a good number of us who play Eve.
A small number of goons called the "first wave" have been around since near the beginning of Eve and had established themselves in various mercenary, pirate and alliance corps. These goons were the forerunners back in 2003-2004, and a stories that they posted (particularly a story from a guy named NightFreeze) attracted myself and a sizeable number of other goons from the Something Awful (SA) forums in the summer of 2004. Back then, Eve was still a pretty hard place for newbies to survive. Inflation was fairly low, isk was hard to come by. There were no complexes, no level IV agents. The best way to make money in general for a newbie, was to simply mine a scordite rock for hours, or do trading runs in an industrial. There was also no real infrastructure set in place by the first wave goons to protect and help second wave goons outside of some help from first waver battleships in charity mining ops.
But still, a decent number of second wavers hung on, went through the grind, and trained up so that they grew strong enough to support themselves - although the attrition rate must have been close to 80% for people that signed up for the 2 week free trial through MMORPG.com. After the second wave goons had a foothold in the game, they tried to make a place for a third wave of goons from the SA forums. They created a corp, filled it with the second wave vets, and posted a huge thread on Something Awful that said "Hey try this really awesome space game!", and naturally out of the 60,000+ accounts registered at the SA forums, they got 40-50 2 week trial accounts all clamoring for attention.
Except that having 50 newbies in a corp with 10 vets isn't great when you get declared on by a corp of pvpers. And this happened. A lot.
Things weren't so great because we just couldn't take care of our newbies. We told they to join our awesome corp because sitting in a newbie corp for two weeks sucks, and the trial account goons gave it a whirl - some of them really liked Eve - but they'd be mercilessly slaughtered by sniping battleships whenever they undocked. End result: only a handful of people stayed past the trial, and part of it was our fault for not being prepared, but we told ourselves "that's life" and that Eve was hard. Our corp would break up or go inactive near the end, the pvp griefers would leave because there were no more targets.
This happened for the third, fourth, and fifth waves of goons over the next year. One of us second wave goons would post a thread, we'd get newbies through trial accounts, griefing ensued, lots of newbies would leave, those that remained loved Eve. Those that didn't would generally go back to the forums and complain about how totally brutal Eve was, or complain about how all that they could do was mine in between being shot by griefers, etc. It was assumed that this was the way things were done in Eve.
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Remedial
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Posted - 2005.10.12 02:31:00 -
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Until this September, when we got organized, and we tried something different.
1) We found a nice station in a fairly popular area of Empire that was both fairly close to low sec, and 0.0 space. We decided on Scolluzer - University of Caille because we could buy skills on site, and there was a good amount of basic t1 modules in the area for sale so we'd have a starting point.
2) We designed cheap but effective loadouts for T1 frigates ahead of time for all four races. Incursus with 125mm rails w/AM:S, web/scramble/AB, nano + cap relay; Vigils with 250mm arties, web/scramble/ab, nanos; Kestrels with rocket launchers w/thorns AB/disruptor/cap battery, PDS in the lows; Punishers with dual light pulses w/ multifreq:S, AB/scram, PDS and nanos in the lows, etc. We made sure that people could use these loadouts with only a few hours of skill training.
3) We bought 20 of each frigate off the market, a good number of the modules, all the BPOs for the T1 modules, ammos and frigates that we'd need, plus about 100M worth of minerals.
4) We bought large quantities of about 14 different skills, everything from basic gunnery skills, basic missile skills, and the most important energy and upgrades skills that our T1 mods needed to work.
5) We posted a thread on SA requesting "help fighting the evil oppressive empire of 3FA" or something to that effect (all in good fun 3FA guys), described in general what Eve was, described how to start a character that begins with racial frigate IV and fairly balanced stats, and told the goon community that we'd provide everything they needed to hop right into PvP.
6) We made a corp, and named it GoonFleet. And then we waited.
Dozens of people start signing up and joining after we verified them as goons. Way, way more than we expected. We turned on the factories in Scolluzer, churning out more ships and parts to hand out. We bought more skillbooks, and solicited more charity from older goons to help pay for all this stuff. We brought the older goons in as directors with hangar access so that they could hand out "skill packs" to newbies depending on their race and what frigate they'd be flying. The newbies finished their tutorials, went out and shot at NPCs in belts and the local 1/10 and 2/10 complexes, and practiced dogfighting with the directors around Scolluzer.
And then, the real fun began. We organized a fleet of newbies in T1 tacklers, had the directors of GoonFleet fly T1 EW frigates, and we went and raised hell all around Syndicate. We would go in with 30-60 frigates and get killed horribly by packs of larger ships, but we'd always take down a couple ships with us - battleships, T2 frigates, even a couple of HACs. The best part was that since the corp insured each newbie's ship, his frigate would blow up and put money right back into the corp wallet to be used on other parts or minerals.
The cost of losing a frigate with modules after insurance was somewhere around 90-120k in isk. Killing a Tier 2 battleship meant the other guy was out at least 35M isk. For 35M isk we could lose 350 frigates and we'd break even for losses with the guy who lost his battleship. Newbies didn't care if they lost their frigates in PvP: this was a freaking blast. Orders being given out over TeamSpeak, ships warping in tight formations and the chaos of combat in Eve absolutely thrilled them.
Those dozens of newbies spread the word and it became a hundred newbies in the corp. Those hundred came and raided Syndicate with us, and it became a hundred and fifty. We topped out somewhere around 170 people, and dozens of us would go raiding almost every night with the directors occasionally bringing a few more expensive ships along to support the hoards of frigates.
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Remedial
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Posted - 2005.10.12 02:31:00 -
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After awhile a lot of the directors became exhausted handing stuff out to new people and constantly fitting out frigates to hand to newbies that lost them, so things slowed down for a bit. Some people hired mercs to come grief us, which they did in the typical "aligned to warp, sniping BS" using 100km safespots around our university, so our newbies couldn't undock. They said they didn't like shooting newbies, but of course they'd gloat about getting 30 frigate and velator/ibis kills or whatever and post them on their killboards. We killed a couple of their bigger ships, they killed a couple of ours, and we decided that the war was stupid and not worth fighting.
So we did the logical thing: made a passworded default blocked access channel, kicked every newbie out of GoonFleet back to their default corp, invited them to the channel, and continued to go Syndicate raiding. The mercs got bored because they couldn't shoot newbies anymore and undeclared. Things went back to normal.
About a week passed. On our forums we gave advice on loadouts, PvP philosophy, questions and answers to the sixth-wave newbie goons. They told us how much they loved the PvP ops, and we posted a thread for people who had purchased or reactivated an Eve account because of GoonFleet. We expected maybe twenty people to stay past the trial. We got more than double that.
FORTY EIGHT accounts. Five were reactivations, the others were all new players. We were amazed: that was almost $950 right into CCP's pocket from our recruitment drive. At $15 a month, if they all stayed, it would be $720 a month for potentially years. It was a pretty big accomplishment, at least I think.
Anyway, as it stands right now, GoonFleet is winding down because most of the new trial people who decided not to stay are hitting the end of their second week. Those that stayed are committing enough time to Eve to become self-sufficient, and most of them now have the money and ability to fly cruisers and do missions or mine in groups without directors. The directors of GoonFleet are moving onto different things, though the newbies are welcome to join in on the alliances to which we're returning, or to piracy, or to even carebearing in Empire. It's the last chapter in what I think is a great story.
I'd like to, if I may be sold bold, ask CCP if there's any sort of ingame or out of game reward available for bringing this much new blood to the game? If we had a business and set up some sort of referral program, we'd probably get paid X dollars for every account signed up, but business isn't the reason we did this; it's love for the game that CCP has created. Perhaps CCP could send a couple of us copies of EON magazine? Have an ingame character set up a "newbie fund" with isk in it that could only be spent on recruiting new people? Name a new ship after one of us?
Of course we don't expect anything for all of this; we got to live a fine little story that I think should inspire other corps to try to do the same thing. Recruit your friends and make Eve a better place. We'll probably do another GoonFleet in a few month's time and keep our own friends pouring into this excellent game.
GoonFleet's killboard: http://www.peterg.co.uk/eve/killboard/index.php?show=all
Survey of accounts registered with date of signup/reactivation and reason:
1. Account Name: AlexandrJJ
Account purchase date: 10/09/05
Main reason purchased: Love sci-fi; Goons in this game seem awesome; Only MMO since UO to show more gameplay than grinding in PvE
2. Account Name: SecretFire
Account Purchase Date: Sept 23
Main Reason Purchased: Blow **** up
3. Account Name: dvoraksa
Account purchase date: 9/25
Main reason purchased: player driven for the win
4. Account name: El Brak
Subscribed: 9/27
Reason: Being able to play anyway you want, PVP.
5. Account Name: Moose Knuckles
Account purchase date: 9/25 ( I think)
Main reason purchased: Large PVP and 3FA hunting.
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Posted - 2005.10.12 02:32:00 -
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6. Account Name: Moedred
Account purchase date: 9/26 (reactivated)
Main reason purchased: player driven econ., good PVP
7. Account name: neccette
Account purchase date: 9/25 (reavtivated)
Main reason purchased: looking for a more casual mmo without high amounts of ****socking, goons, player driven economy
8. Account name: Kalgan Stormweaver
Account Purchase Date: Sept 10th or so.
Main Reason: I wanted an alt to fix the mistakes I made with my "main character" in terms of skills. When I found out a gooncorp for the purpose of PVP was forming I decided hey why not put my alt in that and make the transition to the alt being the main character?
9. Account Name: AlexMax2742
Account purchase date: 2/28/05, then repurchased at 9/27/05
Main reason re-purchased: Tons of stuff added every patch, PvP, awesome playerbase compared to other MMO's, lack of carebear servers means that there are honest people and scum holed up in the same server, meaning that you can't make sweeping generalizations about anyone.
10. Account name: Fens
Account Purchase Date: 30th(?) September
Main Reason: Player driven market with sufficiently rich market tools
Obligatory question for CCP Icelanders: Hey do you guys know Bjork she's pretty freaky huh
11. Account Name: FatKao
Account purchase date: Whatever the day before my last day is, or maybe 8 days after it ends so i can get some free skill training.
Main reason purchased: Fun, decent PVP no level treadmill that wastes days of my life killing young cougars, then adolescant cougars then cougar....... Also the player market blows my mind.
12. Account Name: Pyresun
Account purchase date: 22/09/2005 (reactivated from two-week trial before I even heard about GoonFleet. My timing is perfect)
Main reason purchased: A completely player-driven game with an actual mature userbase and go-anywhere, do-anything, ****sock-less approach to playing, on top of regular patches and great PVP? How could I not.
13. Account Name: Altnovae
Account purchase date: 2005-07-13
Account Re-Activation date: 2005-09-26
Main reason purchased: Goonfleet shenanigans, [spoiler] future war [/spoiler], game environment condusive to piracy
14. Account Name: PeasantRevolt
Account purchase date: 9/28/2005
Main reason purchased: Been planing on reactivating my trial account, goonfleet made me stop procrastinating.
15. Account Name: MakeSeven
Account purchase date: Oct 1, 2005
Main reason purchased: Laid back, fun combat
16. Account Name: Bakalakadaka
Account purchase date: sept 30 or something **** if I know
Main reason purchased: OMG LASERS PEW PEW PEW
17. Account Name: Reaptide
Account purchase date: October 3, 2005
Main reason purchased: The market of X2 - The Threat, the combat of Free Space, the community of an MMO... what is there not to love?
18. Account Name: love0154
Account purchase date: 10/09/05
Main reason purchased: I want to be a pirate oh and love the player market.
19. Account Name=Cauthon
Account Purchase Date=12/07/03, left 23/06/04, resumed 02/10/05
Main reason purchased=Wanted to try a PvP character after so long mining and being nice - Goonfleet gave me the support and incentive to do so.
20. Account Name:qvack
Account purchase date:8/10/5
Main reason purchased:no exp grinding, unlike other mmogs.
21. Account Name: Eratosthenes
Account purchase date: October 8, 2005
Main reason purchased: Very laid back, with tremendous potential for humorous UO-style adventures
22. Account Name: 0bso
Account purchase date: October 7, 2005
Main reason purchased: Laid back and at the same time the most fun ive had in a MMO.
23. Account Name: Mic1
Account Purchase Date: October 8, 2005
Main reason purchased: Pirates. In space.
24. Account Name: Nullscan
Account reactivation date: Sept 16th, 2004
Main reason purchased: I had the account for awhile a year ago, got tired of doing things on my own. Came back now because of the great community.
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Remedial
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Posted - 2005.10.12 02:33:00 -
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47. Account Name: Zazi
Reactivation date: 1-Oct-2005
Reason for reactivation: Goonfleet
48. Account Name: Overture
Account reactivation date: 10/01/04
Main reason purchased: Great huge community, open ended gameplay, and awesome skill system.
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Remedial
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Posted - 2005.10.12 02:33:00 -
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25. Account Name: BobVII
Account Purchase Date: October 9, 2005
Main Reason: It's old-school UO IN SPACE (with a GM team that doesn't personally hate each and every player).
26. Account Name: Admiral_Bosch
Account Date: October 9, 2005
Reason: Fun. Also I got a cruiser. Also Goonfleet rulez\
27. Account Name: drdraw
Account purchase date: 10-08-2005
Main reason purchased: I enjoyed it and I want to PVP with a battlecruiser or battleship until I have my character's face on a billboard
28. Account name: polybius1
Account purchase date: October 10th, 2005
Reason: The game is just plain fun - the op we went on was great, and I don't feel the need to invest 24 hours a day like I did with WoW or Lineage 2 in order to be able to have fun.
29. Account Name: Alex Chambers
Account purchase date: October 9
Main reason purchased: First MMORPG I've played that I have enjoyed.
30. Account Name: Barbatose
Account Purchase Date: October 9th
Reasons: Don't feel like I have to play constantly to be competitive, and I'm *** for space ship fighting.
31. Name: MrWatts
October 9th
Great Depth, PVP and Hilarious Greifing.
32. Account Name: CrispyKritters
Account Purchase Date: October 9th
Reasons: Don't have to play constantly and organized PVP if I manage to get a better ship.
33. Account Name: ColonelPenguin
Account purchase date: Oct. 9, 2005
Main reason purchased: There's nothing in the world like stealing ore, setting myself up to orbit the irate cruiser/hauler at 500m, and pasting Bananaphone lyrics and ôI am not a crook!ûRichard M. Nixon, AmericaÆs Greatest Presidentö into the inevitable private chat. WhatÆs not to love?
34. Account Name: GamingHyena
Account purchase date: August 25, 2005
Reason: Lots of stuff to do, and the time based skill training means I don't have to play 12-14 hours day to keep up.
35. Account Name: tannerw
Account purchase date: September 26, 2005
Reason: I don't know if this counts, but I reactivated on the same day goonfleet started before I found out about it.
36. Account Name: clumsythief
Account purchase date: October 2, 2005
Main reason purchased: Burned up my free trial a few months ago, but decided to reactivate to play with the GoonFleet. Enjoying the game thus far, as the fact that it doesn't require me to be in front of the computer for 12 hours per day to advance is perfect with my schedule. No plans to cancel.
37. Account Name: kryptic1
Account purchase date: October 9, 2005
Main reason purchased: So much different than most MMORPGs, this trial was much more fun than when it was all about mining.
38. Account Name: ZoSoZodiac
Account Purchased: October 14th or so when my trial is up.
Main Reason: Probably the best mmo I've played and I'm a huge nerd for games with space ships.
39. Account Name: Kaiseroats
Account purchase date: 10/10/05
Main reason purchased: My first MMORPG. Oh god the addiction
40. Account Name: Jingu Himiko
Account purchase date: 10//9/05
Main reason purchased: The big ships and the big moneys
41. Account Name: Shiani
Account purchase date: 10/10/05
Main reason purchased: Great player driven economy, open-style play, blowing up spaceships!
42. Account Name: DKWildz
Purchase Date: 10/13/05 (when my trial runs out)
Main Reason Purchased: Turns out it's pretty fun.
43. Account Name: Kallikanzaros
Account purchase date: Oct 11
Main reason purchased: Theft and scamming and wars, oh my! Also shenanigans
44. Account Name: diogyn
Account purchase date: 10/10/05
Main reason purchased: You can advance without combat. Little to no grind. Constant updates. I <3 player driven economy. Every single game I've ever played before Eve had a totally broken ass economy. This one works.
45. Name:Dethcon
Account Purchased: 10/11 about 45 secs ago.
I love to pvp and grief..
46. Account Name: Ulfilas
Account purchase date: Oct 12, 2005
Main reason purchased: The depth of the game and the way it rewards smart decision making instead of mindless
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2005.10.12 02:39:00 -
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well.. uhm... good luck?
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Posted - 2005.10.12 02:47:00 -
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oh god now they know our secret
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2005.10.12 02:57:00 -
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Good to see the Goons thriving in Eve, though I doubt there's any reward system for pulling people into the game. If there were, I believe CCP owes me a gold-plated aircraft carrier staffed by Hooters girls and a sixty foot statue of myself made entirely of crack cocaine and rubies.
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Jigglepants
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Posted - 2005.10.12 02:57:00 -
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Edited by: Jigglepants on 12/10/2005 02:58:48
Ok, just to clarify, there are no such things as goons. None.
And Istvaan is a ****socking neener.
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Persia
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Posted - 2005.10.12 02:58:00 -
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I am protected. 
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2005.10.12 03:00:00 -
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But are there stairs in your house?
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Under TheMole
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Posted - 2005.10.12 03:05:00 -
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Now I know what the hell you people are doing in Scolluzer. Wondered about the pod and ship kills next door.
-Mole
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Razner Cerizo
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Posted - 2005.10.12 03:09:00 -
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Impressive.
(We did the same thing for VHI, but only half the people  )
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Camador
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Posted - 2005.10.12 03:11:00 -
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Oh i see theres goons in Ascendent Frontier.
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DIE.
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The trademan
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Posted - 2005.10.12 03:15:00 -
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Well done remidiel!  
 Originally by: Trademan
Still waiting on that Dev info...
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Yeep
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Posted - 2005.10.12 03:16:00 -
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A couple of our members made videos that I'm sure one of my colleagues will post soon. There is something fascinating about the way a Megathron dances when it is being hit simultaneously by 50 tech 1 frigates.
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Big McHuge
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Posted - 2005.10.12 03:19:00 -
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1st Wave goon member here.
All I have to say about this past goonfleet entrance, was this is the best one so far. Between pirating in the local .4 and below systems, and having a fleet of 3FA members chase our frigates across syndicate, too much fun. Also, I have to give a "EHL OH EHL" to those 2 horrid "merc corps" that declared on us. Packing all warp core stabs and staying aligned for warp..good game :rolleyes:
Im just wondering which alliance we plan on disrupting in the next few months out :)
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Azuriel Talloth
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Posted - 2005.10.12 03:29:00 -
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Great story, and a good example of how noobs can overcome 2 year old veterans with the correct teamwork.
"Making no mistakes is what establishes the certainty of victory,
for it means conquering an enemy that is already defeated." |
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Posted - 2005.10.12 03:49:00 -
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Edited by: SecretFire on 12/10/2005 03:50:41
Originally by: Azuriel Talloth
Great story, and a good example of how noobs can overcome 2 year old veterans with the correct teamwork.
Well, not so much correct teamwork as much as numbers, sometimes.
"Okay everyone get on the gate! Don't go through the gat- DON'T GO THROUGH THE GATE dammnit- **** someone just went through...okay align for warp...DON'T WARP UNTIL I SAY SO oh **** none of these kestrels can make it in one warp..."
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2005.10.12 03:50:00 -
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This is a great story.
Stickeh pls just because it shows what can be done
I heard news of your marauding fleets on ts from corp mates and saw one of them \o/ - It's a great achievement and an amazing way to introduce new peeps to the game.
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Werner Bohr
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Posted - 2005.10.12 03:55:00 -
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Originally by: Camador
Oh i see theres goons in Ascendent Frontier.
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DIE.
NERD RAGE
First wave goons whut whut
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WolfGang H
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Posted - 2005.10.12 03:56:00 -
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Ah... playing Ultima Online (Redemption) I ran into SA. I went to their "main city" which they called GoonTown. Basically SA attacted all the low lives and retarded people of the shard to join it. They are the type of people you can 3v20 and win. Anyone who seeks entertainment by hanging out at something awful dot com is a total utter waste of human flesh. It will rot your brain.
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Posted - 2005.10.12 03:58:00 -
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16. Account Name: Bakalakadaka
Account purchase date: sept 30 or something **** if I know
Main reason purchased: OMG LASERS PEW PEW PEW
omg <3 this person imma contact him ingame,.
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Remedial
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Posted - 2005.10.12 03:58:00 -
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Originally by: WolfGang H
Ah... playing Ultima Online (Redemption) I ran into SA. I went to their "main city" which they called GoonTown. Basically SA attacted all the low lives and retarded people of the shard to join it. They are the type of people you can 3v20 and win. Anyone who seeks entertainment by hanging out at something awful dot com is a total utter waste of human flesh. It will rot your brain.
Trollin' Trollin' Trollin', keep them frigates Trollin'... RAWHIDE
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Werner Bohr
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Posted - 2005.10.12 03:58:00 -
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Originally by: WolfGang H
Ah... playing Ultima Online (Redemption) I ran into SA. I went to their "main city" which they called GoonTown. Basically SA attacted all the low lives and retarded people of the shard to join it. They are the type of people you can 3v20 and win. Anyone who seeks entertainment by hanging out at something awful dot com is a total utter waste of human flesh. It will rot your brain.
Are you Drew Curtis?
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Posted - 2005.10.12 03:59:00 -
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Originally by: WolfGang H
Ah... playing Ultima Online (Redemption) I ran into SA. I went to their "main city" which they called GoonTown. Basically SA attacted all the low lives and retarded people of the shard to join it. They are the type of people you can 3v20 and win. Anyone who seeks entertainment by hanging out at something awful dot com is a total utter waste of human flesh. It will rot your brain.
i knew a goon once he walked up and punched my grandma right in the teeth from then on i hate goons rarr >:(
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Posted - 2005.10.12 04:02:00 -
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Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Good to see the Goons thriving in Eve, though I doubt there's any reward system for pulling people into the game. If there were, I believe CCP owes me a gold-plated aircraft carrier staffed by Hooters girls and a sixty foot statue of myself made entirely of crack cocaine and rubies.
i'm surprised you don't have one already
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WolfGang H
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Posted - 2005.10.12 04:07:00 -
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Originally by: Remedial
Originally by: WolfGang H
Ah... playing Ultima Online (Redemption) I ran into SA. I went to their "main city" which they called GoonTown. Basically SA attacted all the low lives and retarded people of the shard to join it. They are the type of people you can 3v20 and win. Anyone who seeks entertainment by hanging out at something awful dot com is a total utter waste of human flesh. It will rot your brain.
Trollin' Trollin' Trollin', keep them frigates Trollin'... RAWHIDE
I'm not trolling. That is my literal RL opinion of you people, based on exp. from other games.
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Remedial
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Posted - 2005.10.12 04:12:00 -
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Originally by: WolfGang H
I'm not trolling. That is my literal RL opinion of you people, based on exp. from other games.
That's great, but what does it have to do with this thread other than you stating your opinion to elicit negative attention when your opinion has nothing to do with GoonFleet or Eve-Online? In other words, why are you still trolling, trolly troll McTrollsALot?
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prsr
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Posted - 2005.10.12 04:22:00 -
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omg, great stuff Remedial. And the other directors at goonfleet of course. Never expected you in such an enterprise though
Getting that many noobs and providing them with ships and modules must've been quite the logistical nightmare. I wish I could have had such well prepared start in EVE.
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WolfGang H
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Posted - 2005.10.12 04:24:00 -
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Becasue as you can see, you are talking about the greatness of the SA Goons. You evne mentioned the website and said you guys are above avg int. You have the right to post positive stuff, I have the right to post negative stuff. I saw some of your goons even came directly from UO...perhaps I know some of them. If I know a guild in one MMO and I see them move to another MMO, untill proven otherwise their reputation is still the same.
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Derron Bel
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Posted - 2005.10.12 04:52:00 -
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Goons arn't exactly a guild, speaking as a non-goon...
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Holy-Jim> as you know, surprise is the key to victory.....surprise!
LooseCannoN> ahh!
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Posted - 2005.10.12 04:53:00 -
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There's a difference between acting like an idiot, and not taking things seriously because it's just a game. Some goons blur that line, sure. If you're going to critisize our community you should point out our love of interpersonal drama, the killer of a score of gooncorps before GoonFleet. No drama yet this time, due mostly to how experienced the leadership is at preventing it I think. Remedial and I have seen it all.
The idea behind this program was to remove the grind from joining EVE. We've spend only about a third as much on frigates (and we lose a LOT of frigates) as we have on skillbooks. The recruiting thread we posted on SA included valuable training advice. The net effect is that the game is made much much simpler and rather than figuring everything out then trying to PVP they jump in, PVP, and along the way slowly learn how to play. EVE has a terrifically steep learning curve but we totally removed that if these guys were willing to read our info and pay attention during combat.
And as a result it was wildly successful. On our private forum our previous record for concurrent users was 28, set in July during our last recruitment drive. It is now 60. That, more than anything, gives the idea of how successful this drive was compared to past efforts.
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Kerby Lane
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Posted - 2005.10.12 05:07:00 -
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Great story.
Perfect way to indroduce noobs straight in pvp without agent grinding or mining.
Should be fun
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WolfGang H
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Posted - 2005.10.12 05:14:00 -
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I shuold let you goons know that I AM glad to see you moving over to EVE. I admit that you are a fun group to fight and you guys do some fun stuff. But I honestly do think very low of you becuase of your unifying theme, which is that horrible mind rotting website.
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Mesasone
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Posted - 2005.10.12 05:32:00 -
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Edited by: Mesasone on 12/10/2005 05:33:10
Wish I'd gotten around to flying in a few of these ops >:-/
Fourth wave reporting in. I think.
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Camador
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Posted - 2005.10.12 06:37:00 -
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SOMETHING AWFUL DOT COM!!!11111oneoneone
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2005.10.12 07:06:00 -
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lawl goons
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Persia
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Posted - 2005.10.12 08:19:00 -
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Originally by: Camador
Oh i see theres goons in Ascendent Frontier.
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DIE.
Goon on goon! 
But seriously I'm upset you don't remember me Camador. 
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Shaemell Buttleson
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Posted - 2005.10.12 08:29:00 -
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Number 18 of the EVE-ONLINE forum rules.
You may not post advertisements.
Posts discussing or linking to online auction sites or the sale of in-game goods or services for real money are strictly prohibited.
You do that in your first paragraph!
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Raem Civrie
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Posted - 2005.10.12 09:06:00 -
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Originally by: Shaemell Buttleson
Number 18 of the EVE-ONLINE forum rules.
You may not post advertisements.
Posts discussing or linking to online auction sites or the sale of in-game goods or services for real money are strictly prohibited.
You do that in your first paragraph!
Something Awful is free. So is reading their forums. Posting on their forums may not be free, however.
Burn.
P.s. Best of luck, Remedial
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Eratosthenes
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Posted - 2005.10.12 10:28:00 -
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If there's anything the EVE community doesn't need....it's more SA morons. Bunch of elitist idiots, charging twenty dollars a month for a ******* forum...
I implore the rest of the EVE community to petition CCP to ban these people while their names are still posted.
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Nelson Vandermark
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Posted - 2005.10.12 10:40:00 -
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Originally by: Eratosthenes
If there's anything the EVE community doesn't need....it's more SA morons. Bunch of elitist idiots, charging twenty dollars a month for a ******* forum...
I implore the rest of the EVE community to petition CCP to ban these people while their names are still posted.
I lol'ed...
2nd Wave goon here!
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Larsson7
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Posted - 2005.10.12 10:45:00 -
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Genmay > SA tbh
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2005.10.12 10:51:00 -
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Originally by: Eratosthenes
If there's anything the EVE community doesn't need....it's more SA morons. Bunch of elitist idiots, charging twenty dollars a month for a ******* forum...
I implore the rest of the EVE community to petition CCP to ban these people while their names are still posted.
They charge a 20 dollar one-time fee. Its a great way of filtering out idiots, and it works really, really well. If you don't want to pay, you don't have to.
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Ras Blumin
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Posted - 2005.10.12 11:00:00 -
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<3
especially for the pew pew guy :)
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voodoo
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Posted - 2005.10.12 11:02:00 -
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Nice read ty
I dunno if you saw this but it looks like it may be what you woulda been looking for
Eve Affiliate Program
The Blue Pills Make Me Happy
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Eris Discordia
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Posted - 2005.10.12 11:06:00 -
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These are not the SA forums, so stop trolling.
I am Kate Stewart by the way
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KoeK
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Posted - 2005.10.12 11:23:00 -
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Originally by: Persia
Goon on goon!
But seriously I'm upset you don't remember me Camador.
That aint the original Camador but is a goon who got the account...
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Svett
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Posted - 2005.10.12 11:25:00 -
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it's cool when posts disapear
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Remedial
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Posted - 2005.10.12 11:27:00 -
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49. Account Name: palp
Purchase Date: 10/11/05
Reason: Tried Eve in beta and got bored, but I'm very impressed by the changes since then. Giving it another whirl.
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Skyscorcher
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Posted - 2005.10.12 11:33:00 -
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Originally by: Razner Cerizo
Impressive.
(We did the same thing for VHI, but only half the people )
All it takes is showing someone a sweet video with some good music and pretty explosions and then tell him that it's free for two weeks. Worked on the rest of us in VHI.
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Robert Oftenwrong
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Posted - 2005.10.12 11:48:00 -
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The couple of times I lead a goonfleet was testing but incredibly rewarding (sort of like what I imagine being a teacher on a class trip would be like). That said there were surprisingly few mistakes made considering the sheer number of new players involved sometimes. The organisation and logistics has stunned me and, as one of those directors who almost burned out on handing out frigates and skill packs, I'm glad most of those who stayed are now self-sufficient (even if they won't listen when we tell them not to fly destroyers ).
It was fun watching the see-saw between opposing fleet setups. For example after the first couple of raids 3FA fitted smartbombs and we lost a lot of frigates so we changed fittings and moved out to 6km+.
Heres one of those videos
GoonFleet Video 1
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Yeep
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Posted - 2005.10.12 11:48:00 -
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Ooops, alt posting
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2005.10.12 12:11:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Eris Discordia
These are not the SA forums, so stop trolling.
I am Kate Stewart by the way
Thx, eris  .
Every time there's an SA-related post anywhere all the wannabes, trolls, and whiners seem to jump on the bandwagon  .
And the story is hilarious.
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CargoCult
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Posted - 2005.10.12 13:01:00 -
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So THATS what you've all been doing in and around sydicate
we'd been wondering!
good idea behind it and good luck!
(i allways wish funny things lucky, and it was very funny hering on ts )
P1 = **** thiers a hostile fleet entering 6-c
p2 = ship type?,
p1 = er thier all in newb ships
p1 = oops
good luck and put on a good show!
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All the right letters, just not nescacarily in the right order - morcam and wise
Its not working sir!
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RedlegSA
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Posted - 2005.10.12 13:06:00 -
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This sounds like fun, makes me wish I participated. I came to eve because of a story someone posted there awile ago, at the time I couldent play alot - but came back recently now that I have some time.
Of course my first Eve Goon interaction was with Firstname Lastname which turned me off to the whole being a goon in eve thing, but it sounds like I am missing some fun with Goonfleet.
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Tribal Overture
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Posted - 2005.10.12 13:18:00 -
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Edited by: Tribal Overture on 12/10/2005 13:23:31
I started out in third wave with Yulai Financial, which ended with our little "war" with Istavaan. Those days alone were enough to keep me coming back to EVE. I love this game, and doubt I will ever stop playing it. Especially when there are other goons to play with.
Great thread Rem.
Originally by: RedlegSA
This sounds like fun, makes me wish I participated. I came to eve because of a story someone posted there awile ago, at the time I couldent play alot - but came back recently now that I have some time.
Of course my first Eve Goon interaction was with Firstname Lastname which turned me off to the whole being a goon in eve thing, but it sounds like I am missing some fun with Goonfleet.
You have to understand that because there are so many goons in total, that when we recruit to a specific game we're always going to get users with the type of personality that people tend to not like. We can't help that. Unfortunately, in some games, one or two goons with this "bad apple" personality can ruin things for all of us by shouting retarded catchphrases and generally acting like an *******. I think the majority of us in EVE however do a good job of being overall cool guys, at least I'd like to think so.
Don't let one or two people turn you off of our presence in EVE.
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RedWyvern
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Posted - 2005.10.12 14:27:00 -
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a great story well told. And n00bs or not, a 30+ frig fleet is a scary opponent.
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Gummie
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Posted - 2005.10.12 14:42:00 -
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So let me get this straight... you don't mind paying to be a member of an internet message board. But you do mind paying to play a game and want a refund?
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Remedial
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Posted - 2005.10.12 14:56:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Gummie
So let me get this straight... you don't mind paying to be a member of an internet message board. But you do mind paying to play a game and want a refund?
Huh?
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Alex Chambers
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Posted - 2005.10.12 15:08:00 -
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I'm one of the new people goonfleet recruited and have been greatly enjoying the game. Funny to think 3 weeks ago I had never even heard of eve-online.
Originally by: Gummie
So let me get this straight... you don't mind paying to be a member of an internet message board. But you do mind paying to play a game and want a refund?
<boggle>
gummie doesnt like SA and wants everyone to know!
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Roger Dodger
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Posted - 2005.10.12 16:45:00 -
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Just a note, The Regulars is also comprised almost entirely of SA members (45 goons, 1 nongoon) and we haven't been kicked out of F-E yet so us goons can't be that bad.
I'm not trying to steal GoonFleet's thunder, just making a point.
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Camador
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Posted - 2005.10.12 17:29:00 -
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^^ excellent job so far.
its been trial and error many many MANY times before this.
looks like a stable gooncorp finally.
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RedlegSA
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Posted - 2005.10.12 17:31:00 -
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Originally by: Tribal Overture
Don't let one or two people turn you off of our presence in EVE.
Oh no, not at all. Just when I came back on this time I got the idea it was all about hangar robbery and scams - I didnt want to do that so I just went elsewhere. At the time I did not realize how big the goon presence was here - I thought it was just a handfull of ya'll.
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Dionysus Davinci
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Posted - 2005.10.12 19:36:00 -
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Originally by: RedlegSA
I thought it was just a handfull of ya'll.
Nah, at any given time there is at least 40+ goons on, and lately it has been hovering at over 50.
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Skira
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Posted - 2005.10.12 19:38:00 -
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Can you believe the first wave was nineteen months ago?
So many laughs and so much frustration. Was it worth it? The answer is yes.
There are times where one hopes that the past could be recreated, however what's done is done.
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Felony Assualt
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Posted - 2005.10.12 20:58:00 -
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Ramedial, wheres the part about us? I dont recall seeing our name in your little story. I do think that your story is incomplete without the mention of the unmitagated slaughter that we unleashed on your corp. That's really all that has to be said, it was a fun 6 days i think. To bad you guys just stopped undocking . Do you know the final kill/death numbers that goonfleet and the insanity had? Im curious what they are.
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Darlan Flame
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Posted - 2005.10.12 21:13:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
But are there stairs in your house?
Space has a terrible power.
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Jigglepants
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Posted - 2005.10.12 21:36:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Felony Assualt
Ramedial, wheres the part about us? I dont recall seeing our name in your little story. I do think that your story is incomplete without the mention of the unmitagated slaughter that we unleashed on your corp. That's really all that has to be said, it was a fun 6 days i think. To bad you guys just stopped undocking. Do you know the final kill/death numbers that goonfleet and the insanity had? Im curious what they are.
yeah but lets compare monetary losses, shall we?
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2005.10.12 22:28:00 -
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Originally by: Felony Assualt
Ramedial, wheres the part about us? I dont recall seeing our name in your little story. I do think that your story is incomplete without the mention of the unmitagated slaughter that we unleashed on your corp. That's really all that has to be said, it was a fun 6 days i think. To bad you guys just stopped undocking. Do you know the final kill/death numbers that goonfleet and the insanity had? Im curious what they are.
Was this not referring to you?
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Some people hired mercs to come grief us, which they did in the typical "aligned to warp, sniping BS" using 100km safespots around our university, so our newbies couldn't undock. They said they didn't like shooting newbies, but of course they'd gloat about getting 30 frigate and velator/ibis kills or whatever and post them on their killboards. We killed a couple of their bigger ships, they killed a couple of ours, and we decided that the war was stupid and not worth fighting.
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Tomias Itaraou
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Posted - 2005.10.12 22:35:00 -
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Ah - , it's nice to see other goons join in.
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Felony Assualt
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Posted - 2005.10.12 23:39:00 -
[74]
Edited by: Felony Assualt on 12/10/2005 23:39:11
Originally by: Deja Thoris
Was this not referring to you?
He was giving a history report of goonfleet, and I think we played a part in this. So why shouldn't we be involved with this. It was amazing how many people actually came out and tried this game.
Originally by: Jigglepants
yeah but lets compare monetary losses, shall we?
I think we still come out on top.
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Defcon2
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Posted - 2005.10.12 23:50:00 -
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Edited by: Defcon2 on 12/10/2005 23:51:21
I saw the goon fleet attacking 3fa in pc9 once they seemed to be winning a fight against a smaller fleet of 3fa battleships. That was untill conspiracy jumped in and took out both fleets
I bet goonfleet had the most fun that night tho 
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Tarnish Katharr
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Posted - 2005.10.13 00:05:00 -
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Edited by: Tarnish Katharr on 13/10/2005 00:05:14
Great post Remedial.
I started playing Eve on a trial account about a week before I found GoonFleet and was bored out of my mind. I wasn't planning on staying after the trial.
Goonfleet has completely changed that and now CCP has another addict on their hands. I'll be sticking around for a while, stealing all your stuff
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Remedial
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Posted - 2005.10.13 00:50:00 -
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Originally by: Felony Assualt
I think we still come out on top.
Or on bottom, depending of what you think of "hardcore mercenaries" who show up to kill newbies and undeclare when the newbies are gone and it's just the directors left. You guys didn't do anything that G Alliance didn't do a year ago, and it was kind of annoying fighting sniping battleships 100km out packing WCS and aligning to warp. The only reason you were worth mentioning was that I needed more filler for the story.
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Virtuoso DeToure
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Posted - 2005.10.13 05:12:00 -
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Originally by: Robert Oftenwrong
GoonFleet Video 1
Oh hey! I made that! Swoot!
I have been playing MMO's since late 97 and I must say that Goonfleet was some of the most fun I have ever had. I didn't mind dying every once and a while, it was fun all around.
And to the merc guy above me bragging about kill/death ratio... are you kidding me? You think that is somehow accurate of how you guys "owned" us? Give me a break. When you guys were camping us with your entire force you'd warp out anytime we got within 50k. You honestly think that if we lost 100k per frigate that you killed enough frigates to offset the many ships you guys lost? Get outta here.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2005.10.13 05:37:00 -
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I bet we were way more fun to fight back in the day.
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Eldred Jonas
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Posted - 2005.10.13 05:47:00 -
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Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
I bet we were way more fun to fight back in the day.
You were. Although I don't think your claim that you killed off YF has any merit, since we didn't see you for weeks before you retracted your war. Everyone left YF after the war ended, and only because the goons created a new corp with a better name to try and join a 0.0 alliance.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2005.10.13 06:11:00 -
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Err? We retracted the YF war when it had lost over 90% of its members and not a day sooner. I remember being happy that day because it was one of our hardest campaigns. I think Remedial was around for that, ask him.
This was after ClanKillers and GeekLab were no longer supporting you.
Heh, CK gave us some of my favorite fights.
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Eldred Jonas
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Posted - 2005.10.13 06:35:00 -
[82]
Edited by: Eldred Jonas on 13/10/2005 06:35:30
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Edited by: Istvaan Shogaatsu on 13/10/2005 06:24:39
Err? We retracted the YF war when it had lost over 90% of its active members and not a day sooner. I remember being happy that day because it was one of our hardest campaigns. I think Remedial was around for that, ask him to doublecheck.
This was after ClanKillers and GeekLab were no longer supporting you. Maybe I'm just remembering wrong. Still, even if we didn't kill you, I'd say we did pretty good ;)
You're kidding, right? If I recall correctly, Warner Caslet took out 2 of you guys in his Prophecy in Yulai, and 20 minutes later the war was retracted. I'm not trying to spin it in our favor, I honestly remember us being as active as ever.
Although I will admit, you did do quite well against us.
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Tribal Overture
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Posted - 2005.10.13 14:29:00 -
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Edited by: Tribal Overture on 13/10/2005 14:29:44
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
I bet we were way more fun to fight back in the day.
You were indeed. My favorite memory was the thing that was mentioned in PCGamer or whatever magazine interviewed you, where you mentioned the war with us. It said something along the lines of how you tracked down our super secret mining operation in 0.0 and when you found it, crippled our income or something. The funny part about it is, that was just a small personal OP a few of us went out to do. We actually were yelled at for going into that 0.0 space by the directors at the time.
Still, I'm glad we were mentioned at all.
Good times.
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Udat
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Posted - 2005.10.13 15:10:00 -
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Right. I've removed most of the irrelevant smacktalk and flames. This is the second time a mod is asking you to keep it civil and to stop trolling.
Ignore the rules again and this thread will get locked.
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Felony Assualt
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Posted - 2005.10.13 20:48:00 -
[85]
Originally by: Remedial
Originally by: Felony Assualt
I think we still come out on top.
Or on bottom, depending of what you think of "hardcore mercenaries" who show up to kill newbies and undeclare when the newbies are gone and it's just the directors left. You guys didn't do anything that G Alliance didn't do a year ago, and it was kind of annoying fighting sniping battleships 100km out packing WCS and aligning to warp. The only reason you were worth mentioning was that I needed more filler for the story.
I don't want this to be a flame fest but last time i checked before i ended the war you didnt log in for 3 or so days. You might have had issues with rl, thats understandable, but how come your 'directors' didnt undock, and if they did they just warped off in thier bs. I think we had 5 bs kills(not positive) to your 1 kill. Not to mention the few t2 ships we killed and some cruisers and countless frigates but they dont matter much. Im not tring to sound like a ****, but you guys didnt do much after the first 3 days. We had a gang of maybe 6 at the most with 2 or 3 in bs', how else but sniping do you expect us to do agaisnt your 50 man gangs? It was a cool thing how you managed to bring in so many people, but saying that you "won" the war is kinda retarded. Our client wanted us to stick around for another week, but that wasn't necasary since only shuttles were left by day 6.
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Felony Assualt
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Posted - 2005.10.13 20:59:00 -
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Nice movie btw, good music. I like the wcs on a 200k frig .
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Neurosis
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Posted - 2005.10.13 21:44:00 -
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You definitly Deserve props for the recruiting drive and the frig raids. seeing the 100+ship raiding parties of ibis left me hysterical. It would have been nice to see more of your BS's attempt attacking rather than undocking until shields broke and redocking. I'm guessing that was just and attempt to draw fire while the noobies had a chance to tackle. Remedial and one or two others did make an attempt to get in on top of us with 2k per second domi's unsuccesfully but they did attempt to bring the fight so GG to them. As far as critisizing our tactics it's a matter of opinion, you used the noobs as cannon fodder in hopes the few older members could get in close enough to fight on your terms so how does that really make you any better than us?
We were PAID to attack you. and although we may not like killing noobies as we want them to keep playing as much as anyone else, it was still a blast to have so many targets.
Monetarily you came out far behind with your single bs kill and 2 BC's .compared to the 4BS's handfull of cruisers, covert ops and 200+ noob ships we killed.
I'm all for you attaining recognition for the things your group accomplished. But please in the future be factual and try not to discredit others in the process especially if the information you've provided to do so is incomplete and innacurate as you will be called out on it.
Good luck to you all in the future.
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Remedial
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Posted - 2005.10.13 21:55:00 -
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Please, please, please, stay out of this thread. I appreciate the complements but I do NOT want anymore smacktalk, ok? You guys got your four-sentence mention in the story, so go home.
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Felony Assualt
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Posted - 2005.10.14 01:37:00 -
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Originally by: Remedial
Please, please, please, stay out of this thread. I appreciate the complements but I do NOT want anymore smacktalk, ok? You guys got your four-sentence mention in the story, so go home.
Smacktalk? HA, your a funny little man. Why the hell should we stay out of this thread? Obviously we played a large role in why half your corp left in 5 days. If you want some smacktalk pull up some of your old local chat logs, though the smack was poor it was there.
Those who can, do; Those who cant, teach |
Remedial
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Posted - 2005.10.14 01:51:00 -
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You should stay out of this thread because the mods told you to.
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Canine Fiend
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Posted - 2005.10.14 01:57:00 -
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Edited by: Canine Fiend on 14/10/2005 01:57:22
This thread might turn into a bad mimicry of FYAD...
I never knew there was a goon fleet, I wish I could have joined up an alt or something. Oh well...
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Kage Getsu
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Posted - 2005.10.14 04:15:00 -
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The GH-SC war was a ton of fun. Except for the time I was running for a new ship and my hard disc started swapping like mad as Istvaan warped in and sent some missiles streaking towards my pod.
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Jennai
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Posted - 2005.10.14 04:41:00 -
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Originally by: Neurosis
It would have been nice to see more of your BS's attempt attacking rather than undocking until shields broke and redocking.
because attacking wcs-loaded aligned snipers 150km off a station is so effective
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Tribal Overture
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Posted - 2005.10.14 04:55:00 -
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Originally by: Felony Assualt
Originally by: Remedial
Please, please, please, stay out of this thread. I appreciate the complements but I do NOT want anymore smacktalk, ok? You guys got your four-sentence mention in the story, so go home.
Smacktalk? HA, your a funny little man. Why the hell should we stay out of this thread? Obviously we played a large role in why half your corp left in 5 days. If you want some smacktalk pull up some of your old local chat logs, though the smack was poor it was there.
He was giving the history of Goonfleet over two years time dude, you are a speck in that history so you really need to stop demanding to take place in this discussion. This thread is not about you, or the very small amount of time you interacted with us. Get over it please! The mods told you to stop, so would you please stop? We do not want this thread locked.
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Powder
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Posted - 2005.10.14 05:48:00 -
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not sure if warpaq fallowed you guys to eve from swg or not, but if he did tell him i said hi.
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s4mp3r0r
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Posted - 2005.10.14 06:41:00 -
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funny video...
Untill i saw (in caps):
KILL THAT N1HGGER ...
If i could read the name i would petition you. Is this what your community is about ?
Proud CEO of the I have a mirel yirrin corpse and do freaky things to it club.
Convo me ingame for details on how to join, and a free " I ♥ mirel yirrin Ö" Bumpersticker!! |
Neurosis
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Posted - 2005.10.14 08:44:00 -
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The value of this thread dropped to nothing as soon as I read the greatly exaggerated inacuracies regarding our involvement and the monetary comparisons.
We're mercs, we're PAID to be effective not friendly or fair. Not only were we effective monetarily, but we were still making money during the war while you were incurring loss after loss after loss.
Moral can be much more powerfull than money so I would like to thank you as I think you may have been as effective or more so at killing the morale of your corp members by sending them out to certain death while you attempted to gain the advatage necessary to get yourself a few kills.
Victory was not realized when your ships were destroyed, it was obtained when you stopped sending out ships to be destroyed because at this point we knew that you had realized it too. Before we came along you were using your station as a base of operations, by the time we left you were using it as a hiding place.
In the words of Sun Tzu
"Victory is not felt in the pockets of the citizen but in the heart of the soldier. Defeat however is felt in both."
You can continue to make excuses and complain about our tactics, but where is the 170 man GoonFleet now?
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Posted - 2005.10.14 08:47:00 -
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Edited by: Jennai on 14/10/2005 08:47:34
Originally by: Neurosis
You can continue to make excuses and complain about our tactics, but where is the 170 man GoonFleet now?
half of them have quit (which is probably a much better ratio than all other trial accounts) and the rest are in npc corps where they won't be constantly station camped by wcs loaded sniping pansies who get off on killing newbies
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Buraken v2
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Posted - 2005.10.14 09:00:00 -
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to lazy to read it all, could someone sum it up in a few lines?
My Sig:
Originally by: Sobeseki Pawi
Originally by: TheKiller8
Uh what's stopping you from fitting expanders on a freighter?
No slots?
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Yeep
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Posted - 2005.10.14 09:00:00 -
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Actually, as a merc corp, you can really only declare victory if your campaign achieved what you were paid to do. If 3FA were your bosses then you failed because the raids continued to hapen and make kills. If, as many of us suspect, you were hired by someone whose sole aim is to ruin anything one of our directors has a hand in then you also failed. GoonFleet attracted a large number of new, paying accounts to the game, exactly what it set out to do.
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Eris Discordia
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Posted - 2005.10.14 09:37:00 -
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Keep it friendly and keep that video link of the forums, if you wish to know why please mail [email protected]
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s4mp3r0r
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Posted - 2005.10.14 12:44:00 -
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thx Eris, i take it you removed my post due to the same reason ?
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Neurosis
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Posted - 2005.10.14 16:02:00 -
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It appears that some people are too narrow mindied to notice the facts at hand.
1. Goonfleet used thier noobies as cannon fodder for thier own advancement.
If you needed filler for this story why not compliment your recruits on thier
persistence and perseverance as opposed to looking for personal recognition or
trying to explain how sorry we are for killing you.
2. It took you 5 days to go from 60 members to 170 members. It took 3 days for us to put
you back at 60ish members.
3. What is essential in war is victory, not prolonged operations. Someone please buy
them a clue.
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Defcon2
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Posted - 2005.10.14 16:18:00 -
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I think the people having a go at goonfleet are missing the point slightly, they seem to me to just be about new players having fun, not trying to prove how "leet" they are in pvp. So saying how you pwned them and killed however many of their ibis dosn't really give you much credit imo.
If you wanna impress people do it some other way
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Remedial
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Posted - 2005.10.14 16:18:00 -
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Originally by: Neurosis
Someone please buy
them a clue.
Nobody likes you and nobody wants you to keep posting. Take a hint.
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Josline
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Posted - 2005.10.14 17:58:00 -
[106]
Originally by: Neurosis
It appears that some people are too narrow mindied to notice the facts at hand.
1. Goonfleet used thier noobies as cannon fodder for thier own advancement.
If you needed filler for this story why not compliment your recruits on thier
persistence and perseverance as opposed to looking for personal recognition or
trying to explain how sorry we are for killing you.
considering that goonfleet pays for all of the newbie frigates, modules, skills, etc. out of its own wallet, one would assume it would be perfectly acceptable to use the ships that we payed for as "cannon fodder".
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Tribal Overture
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Posted - 2005.10.14 19:02:00 -
[107]
Originally by: Neurosis
It appears that some people are too narrow mindied to notice the facts at hand.
1. Goonfleet used thier noobies as cannon fodder for thier own advancement.
If you needed filler for this story why not compliment your recruits on thier
persistence and perseverance as opposed to looking for personal recognition or
trying to explain how sorry we are for killing you.
2. It took you 5 days to go from 60 members to 170 members. It took 3 days for us to put
you back at 60ish members.
3. What is essential in war is victory, not prolonged operations. Someone please buy
them a clue.
For the last time, PLEASE get out of our thread.
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Lord Infamus
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Posted - 2005.10.16 11:37:00 -
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Originally by: Yeep
Actually, as a merc corp, you can really only declare victory if your campaign achieved what you were paid to do. If 3FA were your bosses then you failed because the raids continued to hapen and make kills. If, as many of us suspect, you were hired by someone whose sole aim is to ruin anything one of our directors has a hand in then you also failed. GoonFleet attracted a large number of new, paying accounts to the game, exactly what it set out to do.
There was no poetic justice or an "adjacent to the king" attitude involved really, the task was simply to attack. Goonfleet members became very scarce after the first couple of days, and their everyday activities were brought to a hault. That was a minor victory. The fleet using their own members as expendables was in our opinion a major one.
There were literally monsterous blobs of Goons large enough to bog down anyones pc in the begining, and by the third day no one would undock. That is a victory no matter how you word it.
Any attempt to turn this thread into some sort of escalated "good vs. evil" event is contribed. There was no extended vendetta, no drama.... nothing personal as the saying goes. It was a 3 day offensive from a massively outnumbered force holstering more SP.
Goonfleet claims that their guys had fun during the war. I certainly hope this is true, it is a game afterall. GL guys
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Haniblecter Teg
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Posted - 2005.10.16 15:30:00 -
[109]
SA sucks my *********. Long live tribalwar.
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Remedial
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Posted - 2005.10.19 06:43:00 -
[110]
Wait... did Rillacorp even show up? I don't remember even seeing you guys.
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ThunderChicken
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Posted - 2005.11.15 13:58:00 -
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I dont think it was "good vs. evil", it was more akin to "Bunny rabbits vs. toasters"...there was no point to getting all those people out there apart from showing how bunny rabbits vs. toasters could be fun (rabbits vs. toasters doesnt have a point, which is my point).
Alot of people who were stuck in the rut of being miners and empire carebears, due to some part of the GoonFleet, are now addicted to the game, see the vast potential that EvE has to offer and will contribute more to the game than sitting in a 1.0 mining Veld. Events like that are what pushes the game beyond the perception of "Mining Sim_01 Game"
I am coming back because of this...is that a bad thing?
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hired goon
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Posted - 2005.11.15 14:19:00 -
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I expect to be immediately made CEO if I ever decide to join Goonfleet.
Which I won't.
Are you guys for ... hire, at all?
-omg-
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