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Cmdr PloKoon
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Posted - 2005.10.12 20:23:00 -
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Is it me or have more and more people started switching to pirating? I started killing things because i like the idea of being flashing red, but on my hunting parties i have notice less and less people in the belts mining, i usually come across other pirates and it ends up in abttle for the bounties. Ive even tried venturing further afield but alas still no victims to ransom. If this is true that all people are becoming pirates there will b no one left to hunt or ransom.
I may disagree with everything you say, but i will defend unto death your right to say it.
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Jex Jast
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Posted - 2005.10.12 20:27:00 -
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It will naturally balance out. Once pirates stop having ships to buy, some will start making their own and then find how profitable it is to sell ships (no competition). They might decide to sell ships until they have the money to make a stash and go pirating again.
But there will always be those people who like mining...for some reason...and those who mine with macros for money, so there will always be minerals, even if it's not from a good source.
And there will always be those enterprising people who want to play the best economy simulator in the world. Maybe to practice the general idea for a future enterpreneurship. Though the consumers are a little different in Eve than RL.
CURRENTLY OVERBOOKED. NO NEW JOBS WILL BE ACCEPTED UNTIL THIS NOTIFICATION IS DOWN. |
Dale Cussler
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Posted - 2005.10.12 20:38:00 -
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At least in RL your consumers don't try to blow you up when they're unhappy with your service... 
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Psycarne
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Posted - 2005.10.12 20:38:00 -
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I think the reason for this is two fold.
1. Old players get bored and want instant action.
2. There is more money in the game, so people have enough to lose ships and thus there is more pvp.
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ParMizaN
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Posted - 2005.10.12 20:41:00 -
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... meh just that nobody ctually mines in low sec any more :|
same amount, or less, ttrue pirates running around.
Killing the rich and giving to me |
Tenacha Khan
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Posted - 2005.10.12 20:47:00 -
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Piracey goes through trends, but most people dont have the commitment to it and give it up.
afaik Tank is the only pirate I know (except my corpmates) who was pirating when I started and is still pirating now
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Raznarok
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Posted - 2005.10.12 23:14:00 -
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 Originally by: Tenacha Khan
Piracey goes through trends, but most people dont have the commitment to it and give it up.
afaik Tank is the only pirate I know (except my corpmates) who was pirating when I started and is still pirating now
Very good point.
Originally by: Cmdr PloKoon
Is it me or have more and more people started switching to pirating?
No its just a bunch of ppl that think their pirates, usually it turns out to be PvP'ers who are too scared to take on other PvP'ers so they join pirate corps and start killing miners.
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Randay
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Posted - 2005.10.12 23:19:00 -
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3 words, new world order. travel routes are longer so people will take the risk of traveling through low sec to shave jumps off thier trip, which gives pirates action. so all you pie rats out there, dont ever say ccp never did nothin for ya.
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Xtro 2
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Posted - 2005.10.12 23:28:00 -
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Originally by: Randay
3 words, new world order. travel routes are longer so people will take the risk of traveling through low sec to shave jumps off thier trip, which gives pirates action. so all you pie rats out there, dont ever say ccp never did nothin for ya.
apart from changing the way ppl make money, and more ppl agent run, rather than mine.
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Drusty
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Posted - 2005.10.12 23:58:00 -
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Originally by: ParMizaN
... meh just that nobody ctually mines in low sec any more :|
same amount, or less, ttrue pirates running around.
I am still a pirate and always have been :)
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Siren Shiva
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Posted - 2005.10.13 08:09:00 -
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Originally by: Tenacha Khan
afaik Tank is the only pirate I know (except my corpmates) who was pirating when I started and is still pirating now
Afaik, Uncle Ikvar is another.
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Famine Aligher'ri
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Posted - 2005.10.13 08:21:00 -
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Pirating aka Killing noobs is simple to do. Hence why people do it. I have an alt and I like to roleplay with it. The system he flies in is swarming with HAC pilots popping people left and right. It's simple to do, no profit in what most of these guys are doing.
I switched to piracy when TPS (The Pirate Syndicate) was about. Because most of the pvper's I wanted to learn from were*****y and annoying little kids who say "pwnz". Little did I know so was majority of TPS. Since then I've been trying to run solo pirating (Belt Piracy in a Inty). It's simple and fun. Now I look in my Essence region and I see new pirate corps like Sniggy, Solo pirates following there mark, and other small corps with -10 status leaders camping here and there. It's all cool but yet now like you say, so many people do it. Our little Pirate community are really nice guys who still shoot you. So everyone wants to join in. Which is fine, but it still leaves a bunch of people hunting for someone instead of a few hunting for victims. Eve grows and so does the community. Less and less targets are avaliable. Think that's why I moved back to 0.0 and to my leader to better hone my fighting skills among real targets.
I'm not an old pirate and don't really care for who claims they're older. New or old everyone should enjoy the game the way they want it. When more and more pirates swarm around. It will develope better anti-pirate corps.
-Famine Aligher'ri, of The Aligher'ri
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Ruby LeFonte
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Posted - 2005.10.13 08:37:00 -
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Originally by: Cmdr PloKoon
...i have notice less and less people in the belts mining...
One: much money to be made on the low-end minerals. Can mine that as well in >.5 as in <.5 (if not better)
Two: when I mine in <.5 I keep an eye on Local, and no way you'll find me grinding ore in a belt when a bogey enters system
Three: aint gonna take the chance that I'll be ransomed, most 'pirates' just blow you away
I am sure there are still a couple of 'highway men' out there amongst the murderers, but frankly, the risk doesn't weigh up to the losses.
Everyone turning pirate? No.
In my opinion you (ganker pirates, not you personally) have destroyed your own 'market'.
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Avon
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Posted - 2005.10.13 09:11:00 -
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Originally by: Siren Shiva
Originally by: Tenacha Khan
afaik Tank is the only pirate I know (except my corpmates) who was pirating when I started and is still pirating now
Afaik, Uncle Ikvar is another.
Ikvar is a n00b 
Kissy kissy Iky Wiky.
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Ikvar
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Posted - 2005.10.13 09:24:00 -
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The Ikvar character may only be mid 2004 but I've been playing a lot longer 
Originally by: Berneh
You will never take me aliv coppers
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Jogyn
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Posted - 2005.10.13 10:13:00 -
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Originally by: Raznarok
No its just a bunch of ppl that think their pirates, usually it turns out to be PvP'ers who are too scared to take on other PvP'ers so they join pirate corps and start killing miners.
Yea, we all know that pirates through the ages always engaged countries warships and left those traders alone.
Or, pirates has been hunting defenceless targets forever, and thats why they are called pirates.
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Lansfear
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Posted - 2005.10.13 11:26:00 -
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I tried "policing" low sec space and found it's near impossible to do in small gangs. There are too many ways pirates(or criminals) can hide, dodge, evade, and still wind up killing th miners. Add to this the fact if i shoot the criminal first I can no longer chase them to gates(i dont fly bs's)
It's incredably easier to pirate then to anti-pirate atm. I'm starting to lean more and more on REMOVING sentry guns every day. THey don't stop pirating(in the slightest) and hinder pirate hunting greatly.
Jist my two worthless cents on the matter.
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Bieomax
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Posted - 2005.10.13 12:25:00 -
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::Slight Hijack::
Cmdr Plokoon
ya sig's not working mate, check out the first post in the "experiments" forum to see the bits of code you need to put around the url then i'll work.
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TheKiller8
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Posted - 2005.10.13 12:57:00 -
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Well I'm currently doing it because of the increased amounts of ratters in low sec (mostly due to the complex). These people, especially the BS guys, go full out on setups these days fitting faction and officer mods like there's no tomorrow. Also most of these people don't realize that fitting 3 billion worth of **** doesn't make you invincible to a PvP fitted BS. 
And if that doesn't work.. since the introduction of Mining Barges, killing miners is actually profitable again since a strip miner goes for about 3mil a piece and it takes zero effort to kill a barge.
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zolak
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Posted - 2005.10.13 14:30:00 -
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mmmm sounds like a plan killer
/me looks for my uber scorp and dutch hardcore tape
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lord torak
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Posted - 2005.10.13 16:15:00 -
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i became a general all round bad man when i was shown the light by one....Mr warhound
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vecdran
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Posted - 2005.10.13 16:34:00 -
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Gah. wrong character :o
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vecdranfaceswitch
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Posted - 2005.10.13 16:34:00 -
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Pirating is a whole lot more interesting than mission running and mining :o
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Deathhawk
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Posted - 2005.10.13 16:38:00 -
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PAH!
wannabee's
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Bieomax
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Posted - 2005.10.14 11:09:00 -
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yep pirate wanna be here :-)
beening pirating now for about a week or two and have 2 or 3 ship kills under my belt.
loving it personally, makes it all the better if ya with a good corp you can have a laugh with is well.
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Trevedian
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Posted - 2005.10.14 11:22:00 -
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Everyone should become a Pirate... Its Fun to blow stuff up...
Coalition of Carebear Killers is an informal alliance that seeks to bring together Pirate/PVP Corps so that they can coordinate attacks. If the PVPers stick together, they can dominate this gate.
Within a day of the announcement that this coalition was forming 10 corps or 30 ppl or more (some over 80 members) and 5 corps of more than 20 members expressed interest in joining.
Many of these Corps have Dreadnaughts and some even have multiple Dreads, as well as many experienced PVPers. I think people want to PVP more, but with all the alliance BS many can't combat the blob on their own.
Pirates need to begin to network... We need to realize you don't make alot of friends by killing all neutrals and poddin' them.
Sex0r > you're bounty turns me on.. you seem like the kind of amarrian to dominate me
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Pyr8
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Posted - 2005.10.14 12:36:00 -
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IMO I think there are less fulltime pirates running around, as a percentage of the larger and ever growing player base.
Most people, especially now dont want the aggro of having to regain the sec they lost from pirating. So, perhaps you are seeing more people doing the occasional pirating/pvp just to get a taster, but not enuff for it to really effect there sec status.
Where it may be true there are less people mining there are still plenty of people in low sec, its just a question of exploring different areas, and applying different techniques to catching them.
I'm SCUM
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Justin Cody
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Posted - 2005.10.14 14:41:00 -
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heheh...not in this corp...we're ALL under -5.0
on top of that we waited until after the patch to do it. we're that crazy and also very good in bed.
;)
"Ill armed and half starved, they were still desperate men, to whom danger had lost all fears: for what was death that they should shun it to cling to such a life as theirs?"--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle |
Dr jekyII
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Posted - 2005.10.14 17:30:00 -
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if your bothered about sec
have you choosen a career in pirating? hmm.. |
Dionysus Davinci
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Posted - 2005.10.19 00:15:00 -
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Originally by: Trevedian
Pirates need to begin to network... We need to realize you don't make alot of friends by killing all neutrals and poddin' them.
Me personally, if they blink red because of being an outlaw I don't open fire.
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marcopollo
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Posted - 2005.10.19 00:17:00 -
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Glowing red pirates??
Fun for all?
They have all but dissapeared. At least around my area of the map. Where have all the cowboys gone?
marco
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Shai Faetal
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Posted - 2005.10.19 00:17:00 -
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great now u will have the "real pirates" complaining about noob carebears becoming pirates
just put a bounty on each other and chase each other through low sec :D see who logs first >D. oh wait u dont "chase" ppl u sit on gates >D 
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meh. go away
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Gavin Darklighter
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Posted - 2005.10.19 04:06:00 -
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Edited by: Gavin Darklighter on 19/10/2005 04:10:05
Edited by: Gavin Darklighter on 19/10/2005 04:08:21
Edited by: Gavin Darklighter on 19/10/2005 04:07:08
Oh, wait...*tears streaming from his eyes*...this IS funny LMAO!!!
I've yet to meet an actual pirate in this place. All I ever seem to see is some guy in a sniper setup popping ships as they come thru a gate just because he can. Wow, what an investment of skills.
On rare occasions, I'll see someone come into a belt, but then it's just to kill and nothing more. In my opinion, most of those that call themselves "pirates" would do well to stop abusing the word and choose another one, like "griefer". Better yet, "lamer".
I saw this time fast approaching, when others who don't like to be bothered by what the little kids are doing out in low sec are smartening up and finding new ways to get the minerals they need, or trade in safer space.
Meanwhile, the complaints by so-called "pirates" are multiplying, and targets of opportunity are dwindling. My heart is breaking! Maybe it's finally time for some of you to review your career options and try something that lets you exercise a little brainpower instead of brute force.
Yes, I know mining is boring...trading is boring...then why not true Pvp? I hear 0.0 is wild and empty, stop hugging Syndicate space, or lurking in low sec Empire and get out and see the world!
But I'm betting you won't...the business of killing people just wouldn't be as fun and easy as it is right now...preying on noobs with weak ships and non-existent skills is, after all, a wonderful way to test that inner courage, sharpening that hand-eye coordination to a razor's edge
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SULAN BARHIR
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Posted - 2005.10.19 08:45:00 -
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Originally by: Jex Jast
...And there will always be those enterprising people who want to play the best economy simulator in the world. Maybe to practice the general idea for a future enterpreneurship. Though the consumers are a little different in Eve than RL.
holy moly! you read my mind
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Siren Shiva
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Posted - 2005.10.19 08:59:00 -
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Originally by: marcopollo
Glowing red pirates??
Fun for all?
They have all but dissapeared. At least around my area of the map. Where have all the cowboys gone?
marco
From my observations, the trend is for the experienced veteran cowboys to fix their security rating for 'legal' piracy within the empire, or pick up mercenary careers. I can see how being restricted to low security piracy gets old after several years.
For those of you who were in favor of the security standings gain nerf, do you prefer if all of those pirates start to war dec pirate in your 'safe' systems instead? I can already tell some people wontnt be happy.
Signature graphic removed, please mail us if you would like to know why -Zhuge
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Rasta Rocketman
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Posted - 2005.10.19 16:29:00 -
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It does go through cycles.
The funniest part is that some 'pirate' corps I've seen blob me worse than the alliance herders do. Go figure. I think my definition of piracy is a bit different than the traditional one though. I think of a pirate more like a hard-core PvPer (ie..taking on long odds and winning).
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Isiana
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Posted - 2005.10.19 16:33:00 -
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^^ what he said
Carebears|Me
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Xenios Alfar
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Posted - 2005.10.19 17:02:00 -
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I'd just like to offer my opinion here.. I am a pirate, or so i like to think. i find gate camping extremely boring and wont do it unless its an alliance op. I enjoy hunting people in low sec and actually using the scanner to find people! Scanner is your friend :-) I dont have a bounty.. please give me one ;p :D
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Felsin
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Posted - 2005.10.20 05:08:00 -
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Originally by: Raznarok
Originally by: Tenacha Khan
Piracey goes through trends, but most people dont have the commitment to it and give it up.
afaik Tank is the only pirate I know (except my corpmates) who was pirating when I started and is still pirating now
Very good point.
Originally by: Cmdr PloKoon
Is it me or have more and more people started switching to pirating?
No its just a bunch of ppl that think their pirates, usually it turns out to be PvP'ers who are too scared to take on other PvP'ers so they join pirate corps and start killing miners.
I stand by Tenacha's post above.
someone who kills miners IS a pirate. Thats what they are otherwise they are pvpers.
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PureBlind Resident...Represent
Taking a break from EvE to focus on college
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Felsin
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Posted - 2005.10.20 05:13:00 -
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Originally by: Gavin Darklighter
Edited by: Gavin Darklighter on 19/10/2005 04:10:05
Edited by: Gavin Darklighter on 19/10/2005 04:08:21
Edited by: Gavin Darklighter on 19/10/2005 04:07:08
Oh, wait...*tears streaming from his eyes*...this IS funny LMAO!!!
I've yet to meet an actual pirate in this place. All I ever seem to see is some guy in a sniper setup popping ships as they come thru a gate just because he can. Wow, what an investment of skills.
On rare occasions, I'll see someone come into a belt, but then it's just to kill and nothing more. In my opinion, most of those that call themselves "pirates" would do well to stop abusing the word and choose another one, like "griefer". Better yet, "lamer".
I saw this time fast approaching, when others who don't like to be bothered by what the little kids are doing out in low sec are smartening up and finding new ways to get the minerals they need, or trade in safer space.
Meanwhile, the complaints by so-called "pirates" are multiplying, and targets of opportunity are dwindling. My heart is breaking! Maybe it's finally time for some of you to review your career options and try something that lets you exercise a little brainpower instead of brute force.
Yes, I know mining is boring...trading is boring...then why not true Pvp? I hear 0.0 is wild and empty, stop hugging Syndicate space, or lurking in low sec Empire and get out and see the world!
But I'm betting you won't...the business of killing people just wouldn't be as fun and easy as it is right now...preying on noobs with weak ships and non-existent skills is, after all, a wonderful way to test that inner courage, sharpening that hand-eye coordination to a razor's edge
You realise I could make an EXACT opposite post saying the same about people who only stay in low sec? How can you say our way sucks when you never travel here?
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Xealot
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Posted - 2005.10.21 07:25:00 -
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Originally by: Ruby LeFonte
Originally by: Cmdr PloKoon
...i have notice less and less people in the belts mining...
One: much money to be made on the low-end minerals. Can mine that as well in >.5 as in <.5 (if not better)
Two: when I mine in <.5 I keep an eye on Local, and no way you'll find me grinding ore in a belt when a bogey enters system
Three: aint gonna take the chance that I'll be ransomed, most 'pirates' just blow you away
I am sure there are still a couple of 'highway men' out there amongst the murderers, but frankly, the risk doesn't weigh up to the losses.
Everyone turning pirate? No.
In my opinion you (ganker pirates, not you personally) have destroyed your own 'market'.
Unfortunately your statement there is a bit true.
Too many new players just run around being gankers that claim to be pirates will have all other players to think the rest of the "good" pirates (that ransom) to not be trustworthy.
I know i try to ransom any of my targets anytime possible, and i have met alot of people who simply just gank for the fun killmails they get afterwards.
I also think CCP should increase the profit of lowsec mining aswell as 0.0 mining :)
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Night Shayde
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Posted - 2005.10.21 11:52:00 -
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From an old pirate song...
tbh its all violence and killing
"1. Fifteen men on a dead man's chest
Yo ho ho and a bottle of rum
Drink and the devil had done for the rest
Yo ho ho and a bottle of rum.
The mate was fixed by the bosun's pike
The bosun brained with a marlinspike
And cookey's throat was marked belike
It had been gripped by fingers ten;
And there they lay, all good dead men
Like break o'day in a boozing ken
Yo ho ho and a bottle of rum.
2. Fifteen men of the whole ship's list
Yo ho ho and a bottle of rum!
Dead and be damned and the rest gone whist!
Yo ho ho and a bottle of rum!
The skipper lay with his nob in gore
Where the scullion's axe his cheek had shore
And the scullion he was stabbed times four
And there they lay, and the soggy skies
Dripped down in up-staring eyes
In murk sunset and foul sunrise
Yo ho ho and a bottle of rum.
3. Fifteen men of 'em stiff and stark
Yo ho ho and a bottle of rum!
Ten of the crew had the murder mark!
Yo ho ho and a bottle of rum!
Twas a cutlass swipe or an ounce of lead
Or a yawing hole in a battered head
And the scuppers' glut with a rotting red
And there they lay, aye, damn my eyes
Looking up at paradise
All souls bound just contrawise
Yo ho ho and a bottle of rum.
4. Fifteen men of 'em good and true
Yo ho ho and a bottle of rum!
Ev'ry man jack could ha' sailed with Old Pew,
Yo ho ho and a bottle of rum!
There was chest on chest of Spanish gold
With a ton of plate in the middle hold
And the cabins riot of stuff untold,
And they lay there that took the plum
With sightless glare and their lips struck dumb
While we shared all by the rule of thumb,
Yo ho ho and a bottle of rum!
5. More was seen through a sternlight screen
Yo ho ho and a bottle of rum
Chartings undoubt where a woman had been
Yo ho ho and a bottle of rum.
'Twas a flimsy shift on a bunker cot
With a dirk slit sheer through the bosom spot
And the lace stiff dry in a purplish blot
Oh was she wench or some shudderin' maid
That dared the knife and took the blade
By God! she had stuff for a plucky jade
Yo ho ho and a bottle of rum.
6. Fifteen men on a dead man's chest
Yo ho ho and a bottle of rum
Drink and the devil had done for the rest
Yo ho ho and a bottle of rum.
We wrapped 'em all in a mains'l tight
With twice ten turns of a hawser's bight
And we heaved 'em over and out of sight,
With a Yo-Heave-Ho! and a fare-you-well
And a sudden plunge in the sullen swell
Ten fathoms deep on the road to hell,
Yo ho ho and a bottle of rum!"
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Bieomax
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Posted - 2005.10.21 12:15:00 -
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Damn were did you dig that up from ?
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MarieDanae Alliaume
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Posted - 2005.10.21 19:07:00 -
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Originally by: Cmdr PloKoon
Is it me or have more and more people started switching to pirating? I started killing things because i like the idea of being flashing red, but on my hunting parties i have notice less and less people in the belts mining, i usually come across other pirates and it ends up in abttle for the bounties. Ive even tried venturing further afield but alas still no victims to ransom. If this is true that all people are becoming pirates there will b no one left to hunt or ransom.
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Kager o
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Posted - 2005.10.21 19:33:00 -
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If "Immature" is what you would call a person who seeks a gaming experience that is not 100% predictable and boring whilst looking for something more then repeditive confined content that currently is the only thing offered by Eve online at this time, then hell go ahead and call me a baby.
The one glorifying ability in this game is to war and dispute areas of space against other people, whether they like it or not, since it steers clear of the still and stagnant waters that other mmorpgs have caused by damming up thier pvp options by including things such as Trammel or instances for example.
Computer enemies are not what I look for in an mmorpg, and if I wanted something I could beat every time with my eyes closed, I wouldn't suffer the need to leave the comfort of my own bed.
If you are afraid of pirates, stay out of < 0.4 and in the warm security blanket of the empire. And if you truly abhor all player contact, minimize your local chat and stay in empire under a npc run corp. Problem solved.
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Psycarne
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Posted - 2005.10.21 20:52:00 -
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I often show my immaturity when I pirate someones rook in a game of chess.
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