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Retrillion
Iron Mongers
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Posted - 2013.05.14 23:33:00 -
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Just wondering does anyone think there should be a change to covert cyno's as there alittle over powered at the moment,
i mean people can jump across eve instantly and you cant do anything to stop it
its like an abuse of game machanics
the covert ship can then sit in your system for hours not able to be detected because he can cloak forever, and then when the time is right, there comes his instant teleport 50+ man fleet lands on you and your dead... (not me btw)
i think that they should implement some sort of downside the the cyno field, for example you jump more people you get bigger downsides,
10-20 people, lowers the range of locking for 5 mins due to cyno field disruption
21-30 mods can become disabled and unable to use for seconds or mins due to jumping through the field
this stuff could also have a chance to happen....
lets say 1% chance that the cyno drops from each member and you jump 20 people and the 21st person kills the cyno and the person generating the cyno will be destroyed
Please share your ideas if you think this is a good idea or not
Its totaly abuse...(Big alliances can jump billions because they have completed the game...)      |
Sentient Blade
Walk It Off
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Posted - 2013.05.14 23:35:00 -
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So you'd just jump in half a dozen frigates to light more cynos through your first portal.
You can't balance EVE by user numbers. It's been tried and showed to be a huge mistake. |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
767
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Posted - 2013.05.14 23:39:00 -
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Posting in yet another nerf BLOPs-based warfare in general/cloaking in particular thread.
1/10.
Get out.
E:
Added specifics for clarity, and troll-rating.
Meta-gaming for carebears:
Whine on the forums like a little ***** until CCP gets sick of you and hands you everything you ask for just to shut you up. |
Retrillion
Iron Mongers
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Posted - 2013.05.14 23:41:00 -
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Sentient Blade wrote:So you'd just jump in half a dozen frigates to light more cynos through your first portal.
You can't balance EVE by user numbers. It's been tried and showed to be a huge mistake.
yes you could jump a group of frigs, but how would you do it without being obvious...
i mean a 1 man neut in a cov ops ship can just jump in sit around on the gates for days and then jump 50+ members from 30 jumps away...
if you jump 10 frigs in first its just way to obvious...
they need to make it so one person can not move massive groups maybe they could make it so 2 people have to do it or more.... |
Retrillion
Iron Mongers
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Posted - 2013.05.14 23:42:00 -
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Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:Posting in yet another nerf BLOPs-based warfare in general/cloaking in particular thread.
1/10.
Get out.
E:
Added specifics for clarity, and troll-rating.
see what your doing is not being open atall, i guess your in a big alliance or use this type of thing, thats why you think its a bad idea... how about you stop raging and give ideas on how it could help... |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2013.05.14 23:42:00 -
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No.
-áMy (mostly boring) Youtube channel. |
Niddengolliah
VoodooTank Industries
Games of Divinity
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Posted - 2013.05.14 23:43:00 -
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The ship destruction is simply a bad idea, black ops battleships are pretty much used for covert bridging only (few small exceptions exist everywhere), and they cost a lot. Even if it is a 1% chance of blowing up, people won't risk it any more and a lot of fun activities (SB hot-drops, etc.) would be removed completely (you usually bridge ~20 SBs at a time, so the odds grow VERY quickly).
You should take note that only covert ops ships can actually use the covert cyno, so no cap fleets are going to drop into your system instantly. If you are talking about a cov ops jump that then deploys a normal cyno to drop a cap fleet in system - there wouldn't be much stopping me from just fitting a Cheetah for agility and simply flying to the system where the cyno is needed.
And to be honest if you can't deal with a couple of stealth bombers in system, covert cynos are not the real problem here. Just be glad you do not live in HED-GP  |
Retrillion
Iron Mongers
The Atmosphere
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Posted - 2013.05.14 23:45:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:No.
Razor alliance... nice to see you guys are seeing this, you know that if what i said would happen then you'd lose the ability to jump around eve freely with hundred man blobs because you guys have completed the game... |
Xolve
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
1404
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Posted - 2013.05.14 23:45:00 -
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Retrillion wrote:see what your doing is not being open atall, i guess your in a big alliance or use this type of thing, thats why you think its a bad idea... how about you stop raging and give ideas on how it could help...
7.75 Light Years is now over-powered. Heh.
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baltec1
Bat Country
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Posted - 2013.05.14 23:46:00 -
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Retrillion wrote:Sentient Blade wrote:So you'd just jump in half a dozen frigates to light more cynos through your first portal.
You can't balance EVE by user numbers. It's been tried and showed to be a huge mistake. yes you could jump a group of frigs, but how would you do it without being obvious... i mean a 1 man neut in a cov ops ship can just jump in sit around on the gates for days and then jump 50+ members from 30 jumps away... if you jump 10 frigs in first its just way to obvious... they need to make it so one person can not move massive groups maybe they could make it so 2 people have to do it or more....
Or you could form a fleet and protect yourselfs. |
Retrillion
Iron Mongers
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Posted - 2013.05.14 23:46:00 -
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Xolve wrote:Retrillion wrote:see what your doing is not being open atall, i guess your in a big alliance or use this type of thing, thats why you think its a bad idea... how about you stop raging and give ideas on how it could help... 7.75 Light Years is now over-powered. Heh.
hows pandemic, getting boring now your all max isk and have 20 titans each?
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Retrillion
Iron Mongers
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Posted - 2013.05.14 23:47:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Retrillion wrote:Sentient Blade wrote:So you'd just jump in half a dozen frigates to light more cynos through your first portal.
You can't balance EVE by user numbers. It's been tried and showed to be a huge mistake. yes you could jump a group of frigs, but how would you do it without being obvious... i mean a 1 man neut in a cov ops ship can just jump in sit around on the gates for days and then jump 50+ members from 30 jumps away... if you jump 10 frigs in first its just way to obvious... they need to make it so one person can not move massive groups maybe they could make it so 2 people have to do it or more.... Or you could form a fleet and protect yourselfs.
Protect yourself against something that you cant target... also how could i stop someone lighting a cyno... i mean lets say you have 20 man fleet you land on a covert cyno now its gone from 20-1 to 20-200.... |
Xolve
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
1404
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Posted - 2013.05.14 23:47:00 -
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Retrillion wrote:hows pandemic, getting boring now your all max isk and have 20 titans each?
I don't even have A Titan, more or less 20 of them. Less Mad please.
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floating in space
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.14 23:47:00 -
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Retrillion wrote:its like an abuse of game machanics
I think so to. I also think the market is OP and needs a nerf. How do you sell somthing to someone without even being there? In real life if you're not at the cash register you just missed a sale
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Retrillion
Iron Mongers
The Atmosphere
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Posted - 2013.05.14 23:50:00 -
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Niddengolliah wrote:The ship destruction is simply a bad idea, black ops battleships are pretty much used for covert bridging only (few small exceptions exist everywhere), and they cost a lot. Even if it is a 1% chance of blowing up, people won't risk it any more and a lot of fun activities (SB hot-drops, etc.) would be removed completely (you usually bridge ~20 SBs at a time, so the odds grow VERY quickly). You should take note that only covert ops ships can actually use the covert cyno, so no cap fleets are going to drop into your system instantly. If you are talking about a cov ops jump that then deploys a normal cyno to drop a cap fleet in system - there wouldn't be much stopping me from just fitting a Cheetah for agility and simply flying to the system where the cyno is needed. And to be honest if you can't deal with a couple of stealth bombers in system, covert cynos are not the real problem here. Just be glad you do not live in HED-GP
First actualy comment here
and yeah the problem is not that we cant defend against them, its that how can you fight something you cant target and you cant fight them even when you can lock because it goes from 20-1 to 200-1 ... and isk cost is nothing for pl or nc. Etc seems that make billions through pos's... |
Niddengolliah
VoodooTank Industries
Games of Divinity
15
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Posted - 2013.05.14 23:50:00 -
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Retrillion wrote:
yes you could jump a group of frigs, but how would you do it without being obvious...
i mean a 1 man neut in a cov ops ship can just jump in sit around on the gates for days and then jump 50+ members from 30 jumps away...
if you jump 10 frigs in first its just way to obvious...
they need to make it so one person can not move massive groups maybe they could make it so 2 people have to do it or more....
And now you are talking total BS. I have never heard of a bridge that can connect two systems 30 jumps apart... Jump range actually isn't nearly as huge as people imagine. Please do some research before you start posting on forums just because someone popped you after jumping in... |
Thelonious Blake
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Posted - 2013.05.14 23:51:00 -
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I'd love to see 200 man BO fleet hotdrop  |
Retrillion
Iron Mongers
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Posted - 2013.05.14 23:51:00 -
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Niddengolliah wrote:Retrillion wrote:
yes you could jump a group of frigs, but how would you do it without being obvious...
i mean a 1 man neut in a cov ops ship can just jump in sit around on the gates for days and then jump 50+ members from 30 jumps away...
if you jump 10 frigs in first its just way to obvious...
they need to make it so one person can not move massive groups maybe they could make it so 2 people have to do it or more....
And now you are talking total BS. I have never heard of a bridge that can connect two systems 30 jumps apart... Jump range actually isn't nearly as huge as people imagine. Please do some research before you start posting on forums just because someone popped you after jumping in...
30jumps was just an example .... not actualy figures
and i didnt die to it just think that there is no downside and big alliances are taking advantages... |
baltec1
Bat Country
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Posted - 2013.05.14 23:52:00 -
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Retrillion wrote:
Protect yourself against something that you cant target... also how could i stop someone lighting a cyno... i mean lets say you have 20 man fleet you land on a covert cyno now its gone from 20-1 to 20-200....
200 blacks ops...
I don't think you have ever delt with these things before. |
Xolve
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2013.05.14 23:54:00 -
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Retrillion wrote:and i didnt die to it just think that there is no downside and big alliances are taking advantages...
You know- the funny thing about Cynos, is if you're actively piloting your ship, you should be able to get away.
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Retrillion
Iron Mongers
The Atmosphere
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Posted - 2013.05.14 23:54:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Retrillion wrote:
Protect yourself against something that you cant target... also how could i stop someone lighting a cyno... i mean lets say you have 20 man fleet you land on a covert cyno now its gone from 20-1 to 20-200....
200 blacks ops... I don't think you have ever delt with these things before.
you see your taking actualy figures when im giving an example...
basicly what you have seen at this post is that the people are getting defensive because they know what im saying is true
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baltec1
Bat Country
6419
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Posted - 2013.05.14 23:57:00 -
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Retrillion wrote:
you see your taking actualy figures when im giving an example...
basicly what you have seen at this post is that the people are getting defensive because they know what im saying is true
No, what I see is you being wrong and called out on it. |
Retrillion
Iron Mongers
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Posted - 2013.05.14 23:57:00 -
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Xolve wrote:Retrillion wrote:and i didnt die to it just think that there is no downside and big alliances are taking advantages... You know- the funny thing about Cynos, is if you're actively piloting your ship, you should be able to get away.
How about you drop this in alliance chat... lets get it to the devs maybe ?
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Xolve
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
1404
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Posted - 2013.05.14 23:57:00 -
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Retrillion wrote:
you see your taking actualy figures when im giving an example...
basicly what you have seen at this post is that the people are getting defensive because they know what im saying is true
Nobody is getting defensive, people are calling you out for using bullshit numbers to back up bullshit facts. What you are really saying is you are a bad pilot, and incapable of adapting to a semi-rare form of PvP.
200 Black Ops,  ...
Retrillion wrote:How about you drop this in alliance chat... lets get it to the devs maybe ?
What is this 'Alliance Chat' you speak of?
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Niddengolliah
VoodooTank Industries
Games of Divinity
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Posted - 2013.05.14 23:58:00 -
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Retrillion wrote:I just think that there is no downside and big alliances are taking advantages...
Just... No. Big alliances wouldn't bother dropping some cov-ops somewhere if they want to ruin your day. They would simply drop a huge cap fleet and bash everything in system until you leave or they get bored.
To be honest covert cynos are only really used to hot drop SBs onto people (think Bombers' Bar), moving blockade runners with really expensive stuff around quickly and avoiding gate camps, or small scale PvP.
Black Ops don't really have a massive fuel bay like titans do, so the fleets coming in are much smaller than a proper all out cap drop is. Heck, 2 SBs, a blockade runner and the bridging ship jumping through to a covert cyno spends 90% of the fuel. Are you saying 4 ships is a huge problem?
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation
RAZOR Alliance
5059
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Posted - 2013.05.14 23:58:00 -
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Retrillion wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:No. Razor alliance... nice to see you guys are seeing this, you know that if what i said would happen then you'd lose the ability to jump around eve freely with hundred man blobs because you guys have completed the game...
It sounds like you want a game with restrictive and optional PVP.
In other words, not EVE.
-áMy (mostly boring) Youtube channel. |
Implying Implications
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.14 23:58:00 -
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Just stop.
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Retrillion
Iron Mongers
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Posted - 2013.05.15 00:00:00 -
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Niddengolliah wrote:Retrillion wrote:I just think that there is no downside and big alliances are taking advantages... Just... No. Big alliances wouldn't bother dropping some cov-ops somewhere if they want to ruin your day. They would simply drop a huge cap fleet and bash everything in system until you leave or they get bored. Edit: formatting
What you just said there.... is my point |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
1796
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Posted - 2013.05.15 00:01:00 -
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Thelonious Blake wrote:I'd love to see 200 man BO fleet hotdrop
I'd love to sell the 200 BO ships for that op.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
Retrillion
Iron Mongers
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Posted - 2013.05.15 00:01:00 -
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Implying Implications wrote:Just stop.
Because why ... dont you like new ideas over in goonswarm? |
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