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Aidan Brooder
Dynasphere Ltd.
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Posted - 2011.10.19 23:02:00 -
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EVE used to be a game that supported many gaming styles and was supported by a passionate and creative playerbase and equally passionate and dedicated Devs, GMs and Mods.
What I see today is a lot of casualties to shareholder interests. Not something that really adds customer value.
Lets have a look at the EVE casualty list so far:
CCP Zymurgist
CCP Fallout
Both quite dedicated ressources in the EVE community. And so many others...
You - CCP - might not grasp it, but the whiny 0-Sec crews ruining their own game are not the majority of your subscribers.
And fixing some bugs that will affect like 10% of the playerbase is also not like finding the holy grail.
But I am disgressing...
I'm representing the live events playerbase. CCP Dropbear & his comrades gave us something meaningful to do. Something beyond grind, something more than just Chat Roleplay. Something beyone just shooting up people for no reason.
If this is taken away from us in your strange endeavour to please shareholders and blind the masses, it might be time for some of us to actually unsubscribe.
EVE used to be an intelligent game. Now, if you only care about people (not)-shooting the shyte out of each other in Zero... I can have better spaceship PVP in Black Prophecy even if the game SOXs otherwise.
So: Please, CCP. We saw Dropbear as an unconfirmed casualty on one of the lists. We want him as our Hilen Tukoss, because he does a great job and we want live events to be part of EVE till servers melt.
Thank you for your attention. (hopefully)
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Darth Skorpius
Legion of Darkwind
Order of the Void
18
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Posted - 2011.10.19 23:05:00 -
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+1
dont take hilen tukoss away from us. the current ongoing live events are part of what keeps my logging in
Baa Means Baa! |
Myxx
Atropos Group
85
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Posted - 2011.10.19 23:07:00 -
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There are a good number of people who are very concerned about headfirst and dropbear. |
adopt
We Need A Home
69
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Posted - 2011.10.19 23:10:00 -
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CCP Pann
CCP Wrangler
CCP Hammerhead
Shadoo > Always remember to fit Cynosural Field Generator I, have 450 Liquid Ozone in your cargo and convo a friendly Pandemic Legion member if you have a capital or super capital ship tackled. |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous
58
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Posted - 2011.10.19 23:10:00 -
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Live Events are content.
I swear to god CCP needs to have ALL their staff ESPECIALLY the CEO and Board sit down and watch all of the extra credits videos.
PAY SPECIAL ATTENTION TO THE MICRO TRANSACTIONS ONE.
http://www.penny-arcade.com/patv/show/extra-credits |
okst666
Not Solitude Again
Chained Reactions
17
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Posted - 2011.10.19 23:12:00 -
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we really need a dislike button and if that doomed forums-webmaster guy had balls he would implement it and tell nobody about it.. (noone from middle/upper management will ever notice)
[X] < Nail here for new monitor |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova
Vera Cruz Alliance
189
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Posted - 2011.10.19 23:13:00 -
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Aidan Brooder wrote:EVE used to be a game that supported many gaming styles and was supported by a passionate and creative playerbase and equally passionate and dedicated Devs, GMs and Mods.
What I see today is a lot of casualties to shareholder interests. Not something that really adds customer value.
Lets have a look at the EVE casualty list so far:
CCP Zymurgist
CCP Fallout
Both quite dedicated ressources in the EVE community. And so many others...
You - CCP - might not grasp it, but the whiny 0-Sec crews ruining their own game are not the majority of your subscribers.
And fixing some bugs that will affect like 10% of the playerbase is also not like finding the holy grail.
But I am disgressing...
I'm representing the live events playerbase. CCP Dropbear & his comrades gave us something meaningful to do. Something beyond grind, something more than just Chat Roleplay. Something beyond just shooting up people for no reason.
If this is taken away from us in your strange endeavour to please shareholders and blind the masses, it might be time for some of us to actually unsubscribe.
EVE used to be an intelligent game. Now, if you only care about people (not)-shooting the shyte out of each other in Zero... I can have better spaceship PVP in Black Prophecy even if the game SOXs otherwise.
So: Please, CCP. We saw Dropbear as an unconfirmed casualty on one of the lists. We want him as our Hilen Tukoss, because he does a great job and we want live events to be part of EVE till servers melt.
Thank you for your attention. (hopefully)
No.. of course not.
But its not 10%, more like 30 or 40.. And those bugs you talk about? We have been asking for a fix for nearly four years now. Some of the "fixes"? They were stillborn, like hybrids.
Sometimes the only difference between a budding genius and a blooming idiot is where they chose to take a stand. |
Verone
Veto Corp
75
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Posted - 2011.10.19 23:13:00 -
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This is a really ****** idea.
These people have just lost their jobs, from a company that they poured their lives into.
At least afford them some damn privacy to deal with their lives before you start putting their names up in lists on public forums.
Verone
CEO & Executor
Veto Corp
WWW.VETO-CORP.COM |
Guthris
The Shard Restaurant
0
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Posted - 2011.10.19 23:13:00 -
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Losing the fanwhore of the live events team would really end it for a great deal of the roleplayers in the game. 
Seeying over a dozen of my closests friends in EVE leave the game due to the ongoing changes and bad calls. I realise that live events are the only reason in still playing the game.
Firing Dropbear or any of the content teams members would be a gross violation to all that they have achieved in the last year and a half.
Not after the 1600 man in Yulai, or the 1000 in Deltole. Obviously they have (re)created something amazing. Something that draws players in like a magnet.
It turned this game from an assorted list of spreadsheets, and grindy features into something amazing, with a backstory booming with excitement and fun.
I hope for the sake of the people that enjoy(ed) live events, that we dont have to say goodbye to one of our dearest friends. CCP Dropbear. |
Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
52
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Posted - 2011.10.19 23:16:00 -
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okst666 wrote:we really need a dislike button and if that doomed forums-webmaster guy had balls he would implement it and tell nobody about it.. (noone from middle/upper management will ever notice)
So we can use it on you. |
Taedrin
Kushan Industrial
114
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Posted - 2011.10.19 23:16:00 -
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Verone wrote:
This is a really ****** idea.
These people have just lost their jobs, from a company that they poured their lives into.
At least afford them some damn privacy to deal with their lives before you start putting their names up in lists on public forums.
Not empty quoting. |
Aidan Brooder
Dynasphere Ltd.
66
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Posted - 2011.10.19 23:19:00 -
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okst666 wrote:we really need a dislike button and if that doomed forums-webmaster guy had balls he would implement it and tell nobody about it.. (noone from middle/upper management will ever notice)
How about you go spin your ship some and shut up when adults talk? |
Aidan Brooder
Dynasphere Ltd.
66
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Posted - 2011.10.19 23:22:00 -
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Verone wrote:
This is a really ****** idea.
These people have just lost their jobs, from a company that they poured their lives into.
At least afford them some damn privacy to deal with their lives before you start putting their names up in lists on public forums.
Too late for that, if you look up the main thread on this disaster and follow twitter.
I think CCP is making a big mistake as you can read in my post above. |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova
Vera Cruz Alliance
189
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Posted - 2011.10.19 23:22:00 -
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Oh dear.. what are we going to do with no moderators...
Sometimes the only difference between a budding genius and a blooming idiot is where they chose to take a stand. |
Aidan Brooder
Dynasphere Ltd.
66
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Posted - 2011.10.19 23:25:00 -
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Renan Ruivo wrote:Oh dear.. what are we going to do with no moderators...
Guess shake hands for a change? |
Guthris
The Shard Restaurant
1
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Posted - 2011.10.19 23:44:00 -
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This pretty much sums up this weeks occurances
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Darth Skorpius
Legion of Darkwind
Order of the Void
18
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Posted - 2011.10.19 23:59:00 -
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MOAR PONIES
but seriously,dont take away our live events
Baa Means Baa! |
Aidan Brooder
Dynasphere Ltd.
69
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Posted - 2011.10.20 00:58:00 -
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Renan Ruivo wrote:Aidan Brooder wrote:EVE used to be a game that supported many gaming styles and was supported by a passionate and creative playerbase and equally passionate and dedicated Devs, GMs and Mods.
What I see today is a lot of casualties to shareholder interests. Not something that really adds customer value.
Lets have a look at the EVE casualty list so far:
CCP Zymurgist
CCP Fallout
Both quite dedicated ressources in the EVE community. And so many others...
You - CCP - might not grasp it, but the whiny 0-Sec crews ruining their own game are not the majority of your subscribers.
And fixing some bugs that will affect like 10% of the playerbase is also not like finding the holy grail.
But I am disgressing...
I'm representing the live events playerbase. CCP Dropbear & his comrades gave us something meaningful to do. Something beyond grind, something more than just Chat Roleplay. Something beyond just shooting up people for no reason.
If this is taken away from us in your strange endeavour to please shareholders and blind the masses, it might be time for some of us to actually unsubscribe.
EVE used to be an intelligent game. Now, if you only care about people (not)-shooting the shyte out of each other in Zero... I can have better spaceship PVP in Black Prophecy even if the game SOXs otherwise.
So: Please, CCP. We saw Dropbear as an unconfirmed casualty on one of the lists. We want him as our Hilen Tukoss, because he does a great job and we want live events to be part of EVE till servers melt.
Thank you for your attention. (hopefully) No.. of course not. But its not 10%, more like 30 or 40.. And those bugs you talk about? We have been asking for a fix for nearly four years now. Some of the "fixes"? They were stillborn, like hybrids.
I think if we had actual numbers, the fixes implemented/planned so far will only benefit /harm like 10%. I could be wrong of course, but not by the last hard numbers I saw. Which - admittedly - are like 1.5 years old.
Being loud does not mean being a majority. |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
13
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Posted - 2011.10.20 01:09:00 -
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Now I have to go find a new MMO to pour my money into, or maybe I'll just get Battlefield 3 when it comes out after all. Uh oh, discussed a different game not in Out of pod! The devs will surely ban me now after they get hired! |
Darkcoro Matari
Neotech Industries
Split Infinity.
0
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Posted - 2011.10.20 01:15:00 -
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Live Events are one of the things that got me back into EVE, and while it is sad to see those who have gone go, Please CCP Hold onto the assets you have left!
These guys have made EVE Into a living breathing universe for a lot of RP Players like myself, and for that I Thank them, and give them my ongoing and continued support. Please don't fire them CCP!!!
Those who have been let go, it is with a heavy heart that I say Farewell, and I wish you all the best in the future. |
Aidan Brooder
Dynasphere Ltd.
73
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Posted - 2011.10.20 12:21:00 -
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Darkcoro Matari wrote:Live Events are one of the things that got me back into EVE, and while it is sad to see those who have gone go, Please CCP Hold onto the assets you have left!
These guys have made EVE Into a living breathing universe for a lot of RP Players like myself, and for that I Thank them, and give them my ongoing and continued support. Please don't fire them CCP!!!
Those who have been let go, it is with a heavy heart that I say Farewell, and I wish you all the best in the future.
If live events are a thing of the past now, it will be a great loss to EVE.
It's not even the Roleplay only. It is working together towards something creative, getting to know people you would never have met before - or who would likely just shoot you down under different circumstances.
And particularly Arek'Jalaan is/was a project that really had an intelligent concept beyond just pew-pew and a chance for anyone to get involved. |
Kikia Truzhari
Teraa Matar
0
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Posted - 2011.10.20 12:26:00 -
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I'm getting confirmations from various sources that I'd consider accurate saying that no, dropbear was not in the 20%. However, a lot of the other content people were, and his workload is likely to have gone up, so even though he's not gone, the live events might be slowing down.
Justs a heads up.
PS: No, unfortunately, TonyG was not one of the people sacked. |
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange
Fatal Ascension
140
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Posted - 2011.10.20 12:30:00 -
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Omg, mods got fired?
o/`-á Lord, I want to be a gynecologist..
KY, rubber gloves, and a flashlight.-á o/` |
Florestan Bronstein
The Waterworks
119
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Posted - 2011.10.20 12:37:00 -
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moar sandbox = less LOLRP
live events are exactly the sort of themepark content eve players love to hate - except it's more like a circus than a themepark and as such not even a good return on the resource investment it requires (a themepark stays there for generations of people to use & enjoy, a circus moves on after a few shows). |
Aidan Brooder
Dynasphere Ltd.
73
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Posted - 2011.10.20 13:25:00 -
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Quote:moar sandbox = less LOLRP
live events are exactly the sort of themepark content eve players love to hate - except it's more like a circus than a themepark and as such not even a good return on the resource investment it requires (a themepark stays there for generations of people to use & enjoy, a circus moves on after a few shows).
certainly a nice extravaganza if you have money to spare but not exactly one of the core strengths of eve.
I think you never joined an EVE live event and thus are not entitled to an opinion.
Also you do not know what a themepark MMO is: A themepark MMO gives you pre-chewed quests which you have to follow to progress, like you would the rides in a themepark. Sometimes you can decide to take one ride and not the other, but you follow a stringent path that leads you to all of the rest of the bored heroes wondering what to do next.
Live Events like Arek'Jalaan: Content is mostly made by the players. This content is also visible for other players and becomes part of EVE history.
For people who think that EVE is only about pew-pew
--->> That is the way to Black Prophecy.
Pew-pew is a large part of the game. It is not the game as EVE is a space simulation. That said one of the things Arek'Jalaan does: It also leads you to dangerous places.
ROI is high, because the investment is relatively low. (Few hours in a chat each week)
EDIT: Took out the "like you". No offense meant, but you see: I can get as emotinal about things like this, as others over ship-spinning |
Rees Noturana
Red Rock Mining Company
61
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Posted - 2011.10.20 13:56:00 -
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I'm with Aiden on this. EVE live events are not theme park style interactions. What Dropbear and any of his cohorts provided was a means for the players to contribute and build within the EVE universe where game mechanics did not support our actions. They facilitated an evolving game style.
If that is gone I've lost a big incentive to bother logging in.
Rees Noturana // Professional Treasure Hunter |
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
331
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Posted - 2011.10.20 14:16:00 -
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The backstory is one of the jewels in Eve's crown.
That includes the chronicles, the news stories and the live events.
Please CCP, don't neglect the backstory.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |
Rees Noturana
Red Rock Mining Company
62
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Posted - 2011.10.20 14:35:00 -
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Players write the story. The live events team makes it canon.
Rees Noturana // Professional Treasure Hunter |
Ciar Meara
Virtus Vindice
170
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Posted - 2011.10.20 14:41:00 -
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Rodj Blake wrote:The backstory is one of the jewels in Eve's crown.
That includes the chronicles, the news stories and the live events.
Please CCP, don't neglect the backstory.
Not please CCP. CCP neglect the backstory at your own peril. EVE was build on it, it was one of the reasons of your succes.
From what I have seen CCP Dropbear has been posting on the forums today regarding live events so I don't think they god scrapped. After all, if they don't realise the importance of these events, we can just shut down everything now and sell the servers on ebay.
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[img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/janus/ceosig.jpg[/img]
[yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow] |
Tallianna Avenkarde
Beasts of Burden
87
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Posted - 2011.10.20 15:03:00 -
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I'm fairly certain Droppy would have made a twitter post or something if he was gone.
And a sudden plunge in the sullen swell. Ten fathoms deep on the road to hell. |
Tallianna Avenkarde
Beasts of Burden
87
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Posted - 2011.10.20 15:09:00 -
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Florestan Bronstein wrote:moar sandbox = less LOLRP
live events are exactly the sort of themepark content eve players love to hate - except it's more like a circus than a themepark and as such not even a good return on the resource investment it requires (a themepark stays there for generations of people to use & enjoy, a circus moves on after a few shows).
certainly a nice extravaganza if you have money to spare but not exactly one of the core strengths of eve.
I call b*llshit
Other then Dropbears salary, how do live events cost CCP anything? They don't require any new content, they are all done with stuff that already exists in game. I don't take part, but have been following the Arek'Jalaan project, and if that how people want to play in their sandbox, good on em..
In fact i think, due to the number of people that show up for live events, and the number of bored rper's that now stay subbed because they have something to do, live events are probably one of the best bang for buck things that CCP has up their sleeve at the moment.
And a sudden plunge in the sullen swell. Ten fathoms deep on the road to hell. |
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CCP Dropbear
C C P
C C P Alliance
19
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Posted - 2011.10.20 19:00:00 -
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Firstly, thanks for show of support guys. We're really glad live events can make a meaningful impact like this, that's really epic to see. (Also, being called a fanwhore was quite heartwarming, after I looked up the meaning.)
So...Headfirst and I are both still around, and we'll continue to support events as we always have. If it means we shift some of the event work back to our "off hours" then so be it. As we've maintained since the beginning, we really love this part of our jobs, and we're happy to do whatever it takes to keep events going.
Expect a little disruption to events over the short-term, and possibly some readjustments to our resources over the long term. It's possible some of the big ideas for events may become less likely, but we'll see, and keep you all updated on any changes.
Anyways, we'll be back on the road before you know it, and pushing for more event support as we always have. Part of the short-term lull will just be us needing some time. We lost some friends in all of this, and some great thinkers. A little patience would be appreciated in the coming days.
Sooooo much GÖÑ,
Dropbear and Headfirst
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Tallianna Avenkarde
Beasts of Burden
87
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Posted - 2011.10.20 19:06:00 -
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See, nothing to worry about.
And a sudden plunge in the sullen swell. Ten fathoms deep on the road to hell. |
Lithalnas
Privateers
Privateer Alliance
3
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Posted - 2011.10.20 19:15:00 -
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I know this isnt really your thing but is Alliance tournament going to happen next year. I know CCP Soundwave was not the only person making the AT happen. CCP Fallout and CCP Zymurgist was more a guest than a hosts but still they were the better guests.
How to build a PC for EVE thread (by Akira T)
http://eve-search.com/thread/1559734-0/page/1
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Aidan Brooder
Dynasphere Ltd.
77
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Posted - 2011.10.20 20:05:00 -
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CCP Dropbear wrote:Firstly, thanks for show of support guys. We're really glad live events can make a meaningful impact like this, that's really epic to see. (Also, being called a fanwhore was quite heartwarming, after I looked up the meaning.)
So...Headfirst and I are both still around, and we'll continue to support events as we always have. If it means we shift some of the event work back to our "off hours" then so be it. As we've maintained since the beginning, we really love this part of our jobs, and we're happy to do whatever it takes to keep events going.
Expect a little disruption to events over the short-term, and possibly some readjustments to our resources over the long term. It's possible some of the big ideas for events may become less likely, but we'll see, and keep you all updated on any changes.
Anyways, we'll be back on the road before you know it, and pushing for more event support as we always have. Part of the short-term lull will just be us needing some time. We lost some friends in all of this, and some great thinkers. A little patience would be appreciated in the coming days.
Sooooo much GÖÑ,
Dropbear and Headfirst
So goddamn glad to hear that! You guys rock. And I am very sorry for the colleagues & friends you lost and everyone will understand that Arek'Jalaan will not be the first thing on your mind for a while.
Thanks again! |
Solomar Espersei
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
93
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Posted - 2011.10.20 20:17:00 -
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Awesome news, glad to hear Dropbear is still hangin' in there.
Now keep those wrecks on the field where they belong man, no more clearing them at Live Events. Lag be damned.
Recruiting is OPEN
Please join our public channel The Ninja Dojo for more info |
A Lunchbox
Basgerin Pirate
4
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Posted - 2011.10.20 20:21:00 -
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As someone who has experienced the joys of live events from other games, I wholeheartedly agree that they have a profound impact on a game's flavor and are entirely underused in the current MMO market. I haven't been able to be involved in anything in eve yet, but hear the same things I used to say about other games that did similar, mainly that it actually gives the universe its own life and color through player interactions, with each other AND the people running the show. This opens up a whole new aspect to the sandbox, be it through simple pewpew for good random invasion loot, through giving people reasons to shape the economy a certain way, through epic l33t roleplaying with GMPCs, or any combination of the above. Done properly, it gives the -whole- of the game a reason to get together and do something they can all consider fun, where normally the population would be segregated into playstyle with very little reason to actually interact with each other (see any thread about high-low-null population and the divide we currently have). Personally, I think EVE needs more GM and player driven events going on, as it enjoys being one of the few MMOs with a single server/shard/wtfever where something like that is not only feasable without a large army of dedicated event staff, but is actually optimal to having people feel like they did something unique (no arguements about who did what first on what server - it's just there). |
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CCP Headfirst
C C P
C C P Alliance
2
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Posted - 2011.10.20 20:33:00 -
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Yeah, we're still here. Like Dropbear said, live events might have a few hiccups while we wait for the dust to settle, but they're very much still part of the broader plan for EVE.
You cannot escape the wrath of Sansha Kuvakei that easily, capsuleers! If I were you, I'd use this momentary quiet to reload and repair. :) |
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Unit XS365BT
Unit Commune
Celestial Imperative
9
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Posted - 2011.10.20 21:03:00 -
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Reloaded, Repaired and (hopefully) prepared.
now... if only a certain ms creston would read her eve-mails :P
good to hear that you guys are still kicking over there, and my condolences to those who are affected by the recent shakeup at CCP.
- Yuni. |
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